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[Macilrille]

Tretii, Russia, from "Hrus"; probably "Rower", Viking. The realms of Kiev and Novgorod which merged into Russi were founded by Vikings, mainly Swedish, but with some Danes and Norwegians participating as well.

Bobbin, you do know where Jutes, Angles and Saxons came from I assume, then the Viking invasions and Normans- themselves descended from Vikings (Robert Guiscard basically looks and acts the typical Viking warlord for example).

Of course, I have a bias- being a Danish Viking fighting re-enactor, but the various migrations and invasions seem likely to have left their mark (Icelandic DNA shows conclusively that the majority of men were Norwegians and many of the women Irish). As has other migrations and invasions since- uncluding the current one going from Middle-East to Europe, but Scandinavians have not been very active in those ;-)

It seems to me as if the continuing trend will make us all a merge with time and only fringe areas like Iceland, Finland, etc will be somewhat distinct.

The largest % of natural blondes in the world is in Finland (as can be seen on the map as well), a fringe area little touched by migrations by non-Scandinavians or succesfully invaded by non-Scandinavians. My guess is the largest % of non-natural blondes would be Hollywood ;-)

[Macilrille]

BTW, we are straying from the topic.

[Tretii]

BTW, we are straying from the topic.

Yeah, we are, but if we are talking about blond women, then it's a good stray

[bobbin]

Bobbin, you do know where Jutes, Angles and Saxons came from I assume, then the Viking invasions and Normans- themselves descended from Vikings (Robert Guiscard basically looks and acts the typical Viking warlord for example).

I'm not saying they didnt have any effect as they obviously did, although I think it is overestimated by many (I don't believe the wipeout theory).
But I live and travelled extensively in the area of Britain that the map shows as having 50-79% and can say that the value is way too high, somewhere around the 20-30% mark is more believeable, although in some areas it is noticably higher (the Orkney and Shetland isles for example)

As has other migrations and invasions since- uncluding the current one going from Middle-East to Europe, but Scandinavians have not been very active in those ;-)

Not in the causes luckly but I always thought places like Sweden and Norway accepted quite a few refugees and asylum seekers.

BTW, we are straying from the topic.

Agreed.

[Macilrille]

No, Ludens does not like us talking about blonde women here, they belong in the tavern- not in serious discussions, and he is right.

Bobbin, depends how you define light hair, if you divide in light-Dark with no middle shades the medium would be 50 %. If you count only blond (and where does blond stop and brown begin? look at my pics on my page, am I dark blonde or light brown?), certainly less everywhere even in Finland.

As for invaders wiping out locals, I believe no one since WWII or so have seriously accepted that...

All Scandinavian countries have 8-12 % immigrant population from the Middle East, Denmark has taken steps to slow down further immigration as this group is relatively reluctant to integrate or assimilate and come from a culture so radically different that it causes a lot of trouble.

Thus the growing hostility between "Them" and "Us", though it is of course more complicated than that.

I was speaking of immigrations from us, like in the 4th- 6th and 8th- 11th centuries.

[Boii]

I dont want to be a spamer so I will send some useful pictures in the first and foremost, becose I realy want to help EB team litle bit... .

Northern europe :
https://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6734/benkolw1.jpg

Gread Britain :
https://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4195/9910or9.jpg

Germany :
http://mediadb.kicker.de/2009/fussba...r/xl/29186.jpg

Denmark :
http://personal.auna.com/5520777/fotos_0607/POULSEN.jpg
http://fletcherfootball.com/wp-conte...all-09-008.jpg

Southern europe :
http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/downl...s/SYLVINHO.jpg
http://2000.uefa.com/ml/images/playe...X600/50847.jpg
https://img279.imageshack.us/img279/...gostinikl5.jpg

Spain :
http://opiniones.terra.es/tmp/swotti...C3%A1ndez3.jpg

The Upper Nile & Eastern Sahara
https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6149/agali7it.jpg
https://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6165/28719oq2.jpg

Northwestern Africa
https://img381.imageshack.us/img381/...atadnanix1.jpg

To bobbin - In Ancient world was many masacres and migrations, in medieval times was many plague epidemic (one of them kiled 1/3 of all European population). And you must take into account diferent
birth-rate and mixing of different race... . In Ancient world was mixed tribes of course, but it was without compare with Europeans of these days... . Nowadays is realy dificult search typical man or woman of some Ancient tribes... .

[stratigos vasilios]

I dont want to be a spamer so I will send some useful pictures in the first and foremost, becose I realy want to help EB team litle bit... .

Good work buddy, and to anyone else out there who may be in the same situation as I (i.e. virtually no modding/scripting/skinning skills) and would somehow want to help the team . I look for faces in a not so special way, I just wikipedia a national football team of a nation (i.e. Algerian Football Team), find all the names in the team and just google image them one by one (you can even put parameters on your search to just show faces and what size you require). Depending on the popularity, you can also look up rugby players and even basketballers. Now I know we don't want armies of footballers (or do we....), but you can guarantee reliability in your searches of what you've found, plus the team will be making the final decision so having a large sample size to chose from would help!

[Genava]

To bobbin - In Ancient world was many masacres and migrations, in medieval times was many plague epidemic (one of them kiled 1/3 of all European population). And you must take into account diferent
birth-rate and mixing of different race... . In Ancient world was mixed tribes of course, but it was without compare with Europeans of these days... . Nowadays is realy dificult search typical man or woman of some Ancient tribes... .

You can use the ancient texts. For example the description of the Britons.

Tacitus Agricola, XI. 1.

Quant aux premiers occupants de l'île, on ne peut savoir avec certitude, comme toujours dans le cas de peuples barbares, s'ils s'agit d'autochtones ou s'ils sont venus d'ailleurs. 2. Les Bretons présentent plusieurs types physiques, ce qui permet d'étayer autant d'hypothèses. Par exemple, les cheveux roux des Calédoniens et leurs membres allongés attestent une origine germanique. Basanés et souvent crépus, les Silures, dont le territoire est opposé à l'Espagne, donnent à penser qu'autrefois des Ibères ont traversé la mer et se sont fixés sur leurs terres. Ceux qui vivent le plus près de la Gaule ressemblent à ses habitants : soit l'origine ethnique reste marquante, soit le climat a conditionné le type humain dans ces régions qui se font face. 3. En examinant la question dans ses grandes lignes, on peut, malgré tout, concevoir que des Gaulois ont occupé l'île du fait de sa proximité. 4. On peut y retrouver les rites et les croyances religieuses propres à la Gaule; la langue n'est pas très différente; aussi téméraires que les Gaulois, les Bretons aiment prendre des risques, mais devant le danger ils paniquent tout autant et fuient.

11. Who were the original inhabitants of Britain, whether they were indigenous or foreign, is, as usual among barbarians, little known. Their physical characteristics are various, and from these conclusions may be drawn. The red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia point clearly to a German origin. The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts. Those who are nearest to the Gauls are also like them, either from the permanent influence of original descent, or, because in countries which run out so far to meet each other, climate has produced similar physical qualities. But a general survey inclines me to believe that the Gauls established themselves in an island so near to them. Their religious belief may be traced in the strongly-marked British superstition. The language differs but little; there is the same boldness in challenging danger, and, when it is near, the same timidity in shrinking from it. The Britons, however, exhibit more spirit, as being a people whom a long peace has not yet enervated. Indeed we have understood that even the Gauls were once renowned in war; but, after a while, sloth following on ease crept over them, and they lost their courage along with their freedom. This too has happened to the long-conquered tribes of Britain; the rest are still what the Gauls once were.

[bobbin]

To bobbin - In Ancient world was many masacres and migrations, in medieval times was many plague epidemic (one of them kiled 1/3 of all European population). And you must take into account diferent
birth-rate and mixing of different race... . In Ancient world was mixed tribes of course, but it was without compare with Europeans of these days... . Nowadays is realy dificult search typical man or woman of some Ancient tribes... .

This was talked about earlier in this thread and there is even a whole other thread created to keep this one on topic. The veiw I subscribe to (and which is there is increasing genetic evidence for) is that in many cases the population hasn't changed much since the advent of farming in the neolithic. With mass replacement of populations being very rare and most conquests consisting of a small foreign elite imposing itself onto a much larger native population leaving very little impact on the population as a whole. If you wish to discuss it further please use the other thread as we need to keep this one clear.

Now I know we don't want armies of footballers (or do we....)

Sports people in general are excellent choices as the are usually very fit and active, something most soldiers would have been.

[delablake]

I guess I could pass as Southern Celt or something (in fact I'm half Italian/half Austrian with a redhaired grandmother)

[stratigos vasilios]

I guess I could pass as Southern Celt or something

Or anything! :D

Ps. Sorry for the lack of faces Bobbin, I'm searching the next lot now-ish. Btw did I leave too much 'neck' and not enough 'head' in the last pictures I posted?