The Geert Wilders trial

[Louis VI the Fat]

Ah luigi, I got another thing for you to chew on, the PVV isn't really extreme right but new-right radical. A scientific study from of oh who gives a crap. One of many.

Of course the PVV isn't really extreme right. The PVV is a single-issue party, and this issue is 'Islam'. This is, to my knowledge, unique in Europe. Extreme right parties are anti-immigrant, the PVV is not. It is solely anti-Islam. Of course, considering that all the members of this party are mixed-race Indo immigrants, this should come as no surprise.


And gives us that link! I am already looking forward to it being rubbished by the claim that 'some of my best friends are radical and they don't vote Wilders'.

[Skullheadhq]

And gives us that link! I am already looking forward to it being rubbished by the claim that 'some of my best friends are radical and they don't vote Wilders'.

Radical doesn't automatically say Right Wing radical, also, neonazis don't like Wilders either, because Wilders is a zionist, which makes left-right in the Netherlands even more complicated.

Wilders is a populist and an opportunist, not left or right.

[Fragony]

The PVV is a single-issue party, and this issue is 'Islam'.

Not really, the PVV is just the only one that isn't.

[The Wizard]

Of course the PVV isn't really extreme right. The PVV is a single-issue party, and this issue is 'Islam'. This is, to my knowledge, unique in Europe. Extreme right parties are anti-immigrant, the PVV is not. It is solely anti-Islam. Of course, considering that all the members of this party are mixed-race Indo immigrants, this should come as no surprise.

Patently untrue, but you seem to be hell-bent on ignoring that. As an aside, the party is generally anti-immigrant. You should hear these clowns talk about Antillians. Skullheadhq has the gist of the matter, really.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Here's teh link in English.

Wilders' party is 'new radical right'

Thursday 28 January 2010
Geert Wilders' political movement PVV is not an extreme right wing party but contains some radical right wing elements, according to a report into radicalisation in the Netherlands by Tilburg University research group IVA.
PVV statements on 'islamisation' and non-western immigrants appear to be discriminatory and the party organisation is authoritarian rather than democratic, the researchers say.
The researchers, who were looking into polarisation and radicalism across the Netherlands, describe the PVV as 'new radical right', a party with a national democratic ideology but without extreme right wing roots. In particular, the party's pro-Israel stance shows it is not neo Nazi, the report states.
Nevertheless, the PVV has a preference for 'the familiar' and turns against things which are 'foreign' and its political opponents, the report said. This, coupled with an authoritarian tendency show it leans towards a national democratic ideology. And on the internet, for example, the party is a magnet for extreme views, the researchers point out.

Scandalous
Wilders told news agency ANP the report is 'scandalous' - in particular the link between defending the national interest and the radical right. And he attacked the decision to publish it now, just as he is on trial for discrimination and inciting hatred.
An earlier version of the report, leaked to the Volkskrant in November, said Wilders' party is an extreme right wing grouping and a threat to social cohesion and democracy. The paper claimed at the time the researchers were under pressure to water down the conclusions because of their political sensitivity.
Home affairs minister Guus ter Horst, who commissioned the research, has denied exerting any influence on the report.



http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive..._radical_r.php

Patently untrue, but you seem to be hell-bent on ignoring that. As an aside, the party is generally anti-immigrant. You should hear these clowns talk about Antillians. Skullheadhq has the gist of the matter, really.

No, I am afraid I am exactly right again. All of the members of the PVV are of mixed-race immigrant ancestry.

[The Wizard]

No, I am afraid I am exactly right again. All of the members of the PVV are of mixed-race immigrant ancestry.

You are right... considering there's only one member Which, of course, is a technicality and by no means reflects the way the party makes policy. Its MPs may not be members (which, I might add, is very worrying) but I sincerely doubt they don't formulate PVV positions. Besides that, even if Wilders made all policy alone, Saddam-style, then he still doesn't make the least attempt to rein in his lackeys when they bash on other minorities in this country. Which once again brings me back to my point, namely that this party is anti-immigrant in general. And weakens yours, namely that it is strongly informed by Wilders's half-Indo background.

[Hax]

well sophism is only about winning an argument, whatever that argument might be. Sophists don't care, it's a sport. They were bashed for that in the past, for having a complete lack of morality.

Acknowleding that there is no ultimate truth does not equal immorality.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Acknowleding that there is no ultimate truth does not equal immorality.

Morality is an absolute, unless you are a sophist, prior to Protagoras and the invention of Sophistry morality was considered to be an unquestioned fundamental of the universe. As sophists revise the definition of morality they are immoral under the original definition.