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    That is certainly a highly debatable opinion.
    Indeed, for a certain segment of the population, Obama is Stalin cum Antichrist with a dash of Idi Amin. A mere incompetent like GWB can never compare with that.



    39 percent of Republicans believe Obama should be impeached, 29 percent are not sure, 32 percent said he should not be voted out of office.

    36 percent of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the United States, 22 percent are not sure, 42 percent think he is a natural citizen.

    31 percent of Republicans believe Obama is a "Racist who hates White people" -- the description once adopted by Fox News's Glenn Beck. 33 percent were not sure, and 36 percent said he was not a racist.

    63 percent of Republicans think Obama is a socialist, 16 percent are not sure, 21 percent say he is not

    24 percent of Republicans believe Obama wants "the terrorists to win," 33 percent aren't sure, 43 percent said he did not want the terrorist to win.

    21 percent of Republicans believe ACORN stole the 2008 election, 55 percent are not sure, 24 percent said the community organizing group did not steal the election.

    23 percent of Republicans believe that their state should secede from the United States, 19 percent aren't sure, 58 percent said no.

    53 percent of Republicans said they believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama.

    Further polling data here, level-headed analysis here.
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    Indeed, for a certain segment of the population, Obama is Stalin cum Antichrist with a dash of Idi Amin. A mere incompetent like GWB can never compare with that.
    Yep, its just those nutty Glen Beck Republicans who are turning against this president and his agenda.

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    Yep, its just those nutty Glen Beck Republicans who are turning against this president and his agenda.
    Voting intentions are:
    1) Useless this far out from an election
    2) Pointless when you don't name the "someone else" because people are able to put in place the name of their favourite dream candidate. I'd be interested to see how many Democrats said someone else, because they could well be causing those numbers. Also I'm not sure I like the fact that 21% of respondents to that poll are from the "Deep South". I think the partisan identification probably should have been 2 or 3 points fewer Republicans and 2 or 3 more Democrats. Plus the questions are really quite skewed if you ask me and that makes me think that I'm missing something. Financial Dynamics is not a particularly reknowned pollster either.
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    2) Pointless when you don't name the "someone else" because people are able to put in place the name of their favourite dream candidate. I'd be interested to see how many Democrats said someone else, because they could well be causing those numbers. Also I'm not sure I like the fact that 21% of respondents to that poll are from the "Deep South". I think the partisan identification probably should have been 2 or 3 points fewer Republicans and 2 or 3 more Democrats. Plus the questions are really quite skewed if you ask me and that makes me think that I'm missing something. Financial Dynamics is not a particularly reknowned pollster either.
    Well, theres this from back in July when Obama was just beginning his implosion..

    And more recently, this. Apparently, even the likes of Sarah Palin is polling significantly better than earlier in Obama's term.

    Finally, a few weeks ago, there was this. Take from it what you will.

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    Well, theres this from back in July when Obama was just beginning his implosion..

    And more recently, this. Apparently, even the likes of Sarah Palin is polling significantly better than earlier in Obama's term.

    Finally, a few weeks ago, there was this. Take from it what you will.
    Palin and Romney are out of the news much more than Obama is. Obama faces constant attacks from all sides, which drags his numbers down. Rather than responding against an individual such as Palin or Romney, he has to respond to a Party, dragging the Party's numbers down rather than these individuals. Under the rigours of a campaign poll numbers change as approval ratings rise and fall and people become more interested in politics. This becomes very obvious if you look at the favourability ratings of both Palin and Romney (With Romney's data you must look towards the high number of undecideds to see that people are switched off and that, outside of the partisans on both sides, people rely on a campaign narrative to help shape opinions).
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    Palin and Romney are out of the news much more than Obama is. Obama faces constant attacks from all sides, which drags his numbers down. Rather than responding against an individual such as Palin or Romney, he has to respond to a Party, dragging the Party's numbers down rather than these individuals. Under the rigours of a campaign poll numbers change as approval ratings rise and fall and people become more interested in politics. This becomes very obvious if you look at the favourability ratings of both Palin and Romney (With Romney's data you must look towards the high number of undecideds to see that people are switched off and that, outside of the partisans on both sides, people rely on a campaign narrative to help shape opinions).
    While that certainly applies to Romney, the same cannot be said for Palin. Besides Obama, I cannot think of another politician that has been in the news, consistently, more that Palin. That includes Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who are supposedly in charge of this fiasco the Democrats call a government and Scott Brown, the new conservative hero.

    More worrying for Obama's team is that the coverage of Palin has been almost completely negative in the MSM except on Fox News, while the opposite is true of Obama - with positive coverage (excuses) in much of the media, with the only exception being Fox. Yet her numbers continue to rise.

    The fact that a woman who continues to be so roundly mocked and villified at the same time is polling very well against O makes quite a point.

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    More worrying for Obama's team is that the coverage of Palin has been almost completely negative in the MSM except on Fox News, while the opposite is true of Obama - with positive coverage (excuses) in much of the media, with the only exception being Fox. Yet her numbers continue to rise.
    Honestly she's just a symbol of opposition. I find it difficult to believe that any sensible and responsible individual would actually trust her in a high office.

    Also, I like how Fox News cut from the Q&A session and made a rather unflattering "summary" of what transpired.
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    I didn't see some of those results coming (31% want to outlaw contraceptive use and 73% think that gay people shouldn't teach in schools!). The full set of questions and answers are here - and before people criticise it for being DailyKos, they didn't do the polling, Research 2000 did. Further, the DailyKos daily tracking poll has only a few points better for Obama than the other tracking polls do, so even if ytou cry bias that is quite a baseless idea.
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    That poll is so obviously bogus that I'm amazed people are even discussing it seriously.

    I'm not a bit surprised that self-identified republicans will tell a pollster that ACORN stole the election and that they believe the should secede from the union, what's disturbing is that it gets reported as "21% of Republicans believe".

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    I didn't see some of those results coming (31% want to outlaw contraceptive use and 73% think that gay people shouldn't teach in schools!). The full set of questions and answers are here - and before people criticise it for being DailyKos, they didn't do the polling, Research 2000 did. Further, the DailyKos daily tracking poll has only a few points better for Obama than the other tracking polls do, so even if ytou cry bias that is quite a baseless idea.
    Some further reading you may be interested in.

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    Yep I know that, and I'm not surprised, but seriously 63% call him a Socialist? 53% think Palin is more qualified to be President? 73% think gays shouldn't be allowed to teach? 77% believe creationism should be taught?

    Oh and note that I also think parts of the poll are off - the heavily gender-skewed nature of respondents and the high proportion of elderly for example.
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