Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
When you spout nonsense like "I support people being innocent until proven guilty" it suddenly becomes very relevant to this discussion.
It's a red herring logical fallacy.

In effect, that's what the Swiss government has done, they have passed a law making a crime, moneylaundering, legal. And you think that's all fine and dandy....
No, that is not correct at all. They don't act as agents of the German or other country's police forces. You seem to be insisting on a "you're either with us or against us" view where the Swiss either enforce the laws of other countries or are supporting criminals from those countries. It's a false choice.

Also, beating a confession out of people? Excuse me, are you on some kind of medication? Strawman anyone? Let's get this back into perspective here:

If Germany decides to buy the cd, there is zero chance of any legit person with a swiss bank account having his privacy invaded.
It doesn't matter one bit if only criminals would be caught. The Government would have used illegal methods to catch them. The rule of law is more important than putting criminals behind bars.

Why not set up and watch some known drug dealing area, then track everyone who goes there and search their cars, their homes, etc., at will? Oh, right, because that would be violating their human rights.

Let's say the cops hear of a house with a ton of cocaine inside. One of the residents in the house nicks the key from the owner, gives the key to the police and tells them that there's a ton of cocaine inside. You believe that in such a situation, the police should not be allowed to enter the house. I believe that's pure rubbish, and that the police should of course go into the house and confiscate that ton of cocaine.
A ridiculous analogy. First of all, if a resident of that house told the police there's a ton of cocaine hidden inside, they wouldn't need a key; they would have probably cause for a warrant. That's how (in theory) police in the US work; they don't have to get hold of stolen keys and sneak into crime scenes.

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