The Geert Wilders trial

[Fragony]

I agree with Fragony that it should also be written in dutch. Though, what is interesting that the "lefties" and "greens" are trying to get the Islamic vote, as Muslims in a general gense, hold a more conservative opinion, in-line with other religious (christian) factions. It is more likely they are trying to attract support by the association of the right with discrimination against Muslims.

Yes that is very weird, it's very weird that the lefties come to the aid of someone who is deeply convinced women should have their eyes peeled at the concrete 24/7. It is very strange that lefties side with every backward aspect of religion. It's called multiculturalism. The absolute conviction that it's the greatest thing ever, amen.

It's weird until you realize they are clueless, their dream is dead, all it needs to do is die.

[Kralizec]

It's easy to say that the "established" parties are way to ambiguous on islam vs. women's rights.

But what hass the PVV done for emancipation of islamic woman, exept proposing a kopvodtaks (i.e. headscarf tax, deliberately phrased to be insulting) and routinely insulting them?

[Fragony]

It's easy to say that the "established" parties are way to ambiguous on islam vs. women's rights.

But what hass the PVV done for emancipation of islamic woman, exept proposing a kopvodtaks (i.e. headscarf tax, deliberately phrased to be insulting) and routinely insulting them?

It's the hight of logic, a party without solutions for a country that doesn't have any problems, makes perfect sense to me.

[Kralizec]

Huh?

Frag, this talk about "multiculturalism"...is it mostly hyperbole and fun poking, or do you seriously believe that every party left of the PVV condones wife beating and such?

[Fragony]

Huh?

Frag, this talk about "multiculturalism"...is it mostly hyperbole and fun poking, or do you seriously believe that every party left of the PVV condones wife beating and such?

It's an ideal they hold on to, nobody wants it. C'est ca.

how many years have it been

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaBdISvaJ64

many

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0rjDvG2TcU

[Hax]

I don't think multiculturalism has failed, necessarily. Lombok is a very good example of a place where multiculturalism hasn't failed. Also, I heard this on BNR News Radio yesterday, there was this mosque in The Hague that everybody hated and didn't want to live close to, then they sold it to an Islamic society who pretty much transformed the building and did some renovation around it and now it's a very popular place, or so I've heard.

Fragony, we should differentiate between addressing people in a foreign language and an invasion of Islam. If there were massive French neighbourhoods, there would be posters in French too, I'd think.

[Fragony]

I know Lombok I lived there for two years.

Lived in de Baarsjes and SLotervaart as well, you can't imagine how terrible it is for the elder to be afraid to just go outside, these pests wil rob anything as long as it's helpless, they are like hyena's.

[The Wizard]

Plenty of creamy white Dutch kids out there that are the same.

[Skullheadhq]

@ Frag

You actually lived in those ****** places? Poor you ;)

[Beskar]

I know Lombok I lived there for two years.

Lived in de Baarsjes and SLotervaart as well, you can't imagine how terrible it is for the elder to be afraid to just go outside, these pests wil rob anything as long as it's helpless, they are like hyena's.

You should come here Fragony, it is the muslims/blacks/etc are the ones that won't mug you (generally, as they are all respectable professionals of the NHS). Plenty of the shaved head, tracksuit donned, creamy white/faketanned scum of society. The girls are as bad as the boys.

[Fragony]

Plenty of creamy white Dutch kids out there that are the same.

You know that isn't true, but then again maybe you don't

[The Wizard]

No, I know it is, since I live surrounded by them.

[Fragony]

No, I know it is, since I live surrounded by them.

Oh common you are just being not being honest here, no creamy white Dutch kid ever gave you any trouble, total bull.

[The Wizard]

I WAS one of those Dutch kids, dude. I see them trashing buses and bus stops, vandalizing windows and street signs, and harassing people every Friday. Just like I did. There are just as much scumbags in the countryside as there are in the city, and guess what? All of the former are creamy white Dutch kids who go to church every Sunday. It's just that, well, they're white, you know? So it's not a problem. Or a media issue.

Yet being an ass is most certainly not limited to people hailing from Riffian or East Anatolian backwaters (or the Antilles for that matter), no matter what Wilders and his gang want you to believe.

[Fragony]

You know what I am talking about and it isn't vandalism. Or did you shoot at the police with AK-47 like in Brussels is common nowadays.

[The Wizard]

Heh, I doubt the coke-sniffing violent youth of the Dutch Bible Belt is very different from the fellows in 020-Gaza, to paraphrase Geenstijl.

[Fragony]

Very different, they aren't very mean, would never kick a grannie in the face, and certainly not kick her in the face after taking her bag. Muslim youth are a problem why ignore that just because the majority isn't.

[The Wizard]

"Aren't very mean..." Tell that to the mailman who got beat to death, buddy. Why accuse me of ignoring a problem I freely admit is there, anyhow? Why are you ignoring a problem you deny is there?

[Fragony]

"Aren't very mean..." Tell that to the mailman who got beat to death, buddy. Why accuse me of ignoring a problem I freely admit is there, anyhow? Why are you ignoring a problem you deny is there?

You don't have a problem, you have an exception

[The Wizard]

There is no exception, this kind of behavior amongst rural teenagers is widespread, even endemic throughout the country.

[Strike For The South]

Why the hell would you kill a mailman?

[Hax]

no creamy white Dutch kid ever gave you any trouble, total bull.

In the memory of Tribesman:


bollox etc

[The Wizard]

Why the hell would you kill a mailman?

He told them to stop being loud drunk idiots and got beat to death with an iron pipe.

[Strike For The South]

He told them to stop being loud drunk idiots and got beat to death with an iron pipe.

They act out this way because they are scared of Islam, poor little Dutch boys

[Fragony]

He told them to stop being loud drunk idiots and got beat to death with an iron pipe.

A horrible crime, it really stands out, doesn't it.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Keep things polite folks. Race/Racism/Immigration and the like can be contentious, so have care.

[Fragony]

Can't be avoided given the nature of the thread, I can't make my argument without it being offensive to some, that would be impossible. Maybe reopening this was a bad idea after all, maybe this is better of closed.

[Beskar]

Can't be avoided given the nature of the thread, I can't make my argument without it being offensive to some, that would be impossible. Maybe reopening this was a bad idea after all, maybe this is better of closed.

Well, it is just that you paint this world where all muslims are evil and all creamy white dutch kids can do no wrong. A detachment from reality where it is not this case.

[Fragony]

Well, it is just that you paint this world where all muslims are evil and all creamy white dutch kids can do no wrong. A detachment from reality where it is not this case.

It's a detachment from reality that you think I do, it's the detachment from reality me and mr Wilders have a problem with. There are problems, but because the debate has been hijacked by multiculturalists they aren't to be discussed.

Muslim youth are a problem why ignore that just because the majority isn't.

^-- reading for beginners

[Beskar]

^-- reading for beginners

Funny, you missed out these quotes.

You know that isn't true, but then again maybe you don't. [in response to that creamy white dutch kids do the same acts you are blaming the muslims for]

And you later started going:

no creamy white Dutch kid ever gave you any trouble, total bull.

No one is ignoring it, you are just painting it that only muslim youth are a problem while everyone else is the wiser.