According to christian beliefs, where's Gandhi now?

[Husar]

The after-life is where we decay in a hole in a ground, I think the "here-and-now" is more important like HoreTore is saying.

That's your belief, other people believe something else.
HoreTore could have just labelled this thread "I am not a christian" because that's all he is saying here, that god should bend to his morals because he believes that god doesn't exist anyway. That kind of argument is like running against a wall when you talk to someone who actually believes in god.
So HoreTore thinks god is cruel and a christian will think HoreTore is self-centered and doesn't want to admit that he needs god, just like Gandhi. Except that the thread hardly has anything to do with gandhi except that HoreTore used him to "prove" to himself that god is cruel and he doesn't want him, something he had already concluded before...

[Beskar]

That's your belief, other people believe something else.

Though I do guess this is an attack on the Christian Sugar Mountain belief. Bad Horetore.

[HoreTore]

HoreTore could have just labelled this thread "I am not a christian" because that's all he is saying here, that god should bend to his morals because he believes that god doesn't exist anyway.

Wrong, Husar...

I don't say that god should bend his morals, I'm saying that I won't bend mine. So, in order for me to believe in a god, that god must have the same morals as I do.

And if he ships Gandhi off to hell, we don't have the same morals.

[Kralizec]

I'm just going to pop in and state that I take issue with a phrase some christians here have used, namely "[x] rejects god"

If I knew for a fact that God existed and still refused to worship him, then I'd be rejecting him. Ghandi did not "reject jesus" because (I assume) he didn't feel that the biblical narrative was convincing enough for him to abandon the religion he grew up with.
So Europe is about 82% christian, China is about 3%. The implication is that in Europe, up to 82% could be saved if they follow their religion with some effort. In China it's only 3 as the rest hasn't decided to convert yet despite centuries of contact with christianity. Now, is this:
A) due to coincidental geographic factors, or more fundamentally, where you are born and from what parents
B) some inherent trait Chinese people posses that makes them less likely to follow the true faith
C) the bible is simply not convincing enough?

Without delving into statistics about conversions, I think we can all agree that the faith of a person's parents is very likely to influence that person's religious views as well. Is it then not extremely unfair that European babies get a head start on the way to salvation compared to Chinese babies?

It's unfair that Ghandi should suffer the consequenses because he didn't take the bible's word for it that there's one god, wich is made up of three parts et cetera. If anything, it's christianity's own fault for not being convincing enough. The majority of the world population still "rejects" the message despite the fact that the religion has been around for 2000 years

[Ironside]

Wrong, Husar...

I don't say that god should bend his morals, I'm saying that I won't bend mine. So, in order for me to believe in worship a god, that god must have the same morals as I do.

And if he ships Gandhi off to hell, we don't have the same morals.

If you agree to the modification, we're in full agreement on the issue.

[Husar]

Wrong, Husar...

I don't say that god should bend his morals, I'm saying that I won't bend mine. So, in order for me to believe in a god, that god must have the same morals as I do.

So you don't believe he exists unless he agrees with you?

Wait, who am I talking to, I don't believe this "HoreTore" exists, because we have different morals...

[Idaho]

From all I have read of Christianity - it's doctrine, dogma, actions and pronouncements - it's a religion which claims high morality but is really just about justifying social control and political elitism.

It's stories are largely reworkings of older stories. It's festivals are stolen from other religions. It has been used to justify hundreds of years of murder, torture, prejudice and injustice. It's priests are among the most venal and corrupt of any religion. And it's followers claim high ideals and yet are often the most selfish and self-justifying people on the planet.

And doubtless I will get some kind of warning from the mods for expressing these deeply sinful views

[Viking]

So you don't believe he exists unless he agrees with you?

Wait, who am I talking to, I don't believe this "HoreTore" exists, because we have different morals...

I pointed this out this earlier, though it seems some people have a religious stance on this issue.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

From all I have read of Christianity - it's doctrine, dogma, actions and pronouncements - it's a religion which claims high morality but is really just about justifying social control and political elitism.

It's stories are largely reworkings of older stories. It's festivals are stolen from other religions. It has been used to justify hundreds of years of murder, torture, prejudice and injustice. It's priests are among the most venal and corrupt of any religion. And it's followers claim high ideals and yet are often the most selfish and self-justifying people on the planet.

And doubtless I will get some kind of warning from the mods for expressing these deeply sinful views

This could be equally said of any religion or social system. However, to actually ascribe such a callous attitude to Christians or any other group is to take a deeply depressing view of hummanity.

[Idaho]

Not really. I have quite a positive view of humanity. However human behaviour tends to go downhill when certain people decide that they are more rightious or deserving. Or that believing something abstract means that they are automatically good and will go to heaven and can ignore fundamental issues with the world.

[Husar]

Not really. I have quite a positive view of humanity. However human behaviour tends to go downhill when certain people decide that they are more rightious or deserving. Or that believing something abstract means that they are automatically good and will go to heaven and can ignore fundamental issues with the world.

Christians actually believe everybody is deserving and can be righteous, if they want to, HoreTore for one doesn't want to, at least not according to christian values.
Christians don't want to be moral according to his values either and it's not like he as an atheist doesn't claim to be more righteous.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Not really. I have quite a positive view of humanity. However human behaviour tends to go downhill when certain people decide that they are more rightious or deserving. Or that believing something abstract means that they are automatically good and will go to heaven and can ignore fundamental issues with the world.

These are beliefs that can only possibly be ascribed to Calvinistic Protestants, and only then in cases of ignorance. As a social control mechanism Christianity is a poor choice, Islam and Hinduism are both much more finely tuned to that purpose, for example. However, Christianity has a 1,700 year history of being the religion of the elite. That there have been cases of abuse is hardly surprising.

[HoreTore]

So you don't believe he exists unless he agrees with you?

Wait, who am I talking to, I don't believe this "HoreTore" exists, because we have different morals...

Sigh....

You confuse "believe in" with "follow". God's existance doesn't have anything to do with whether or not I will follow the christian god. God can be real, and I can still choose not to be a fan. And if he decides that accomplishments like Gandhi's are not enough, well then I won't be a fan.

EDIT: Oh, just caught my mistake; Ironside's modification of my post is what I was supposed to write....

[Fisherking]

One thing for sure, he ain’t in Valhalla sitting between Odin and Thor...he would be with Hel freezing his butt off...