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    Default Re: Does Comp have Unlimitied Money???

    Maybe my English is lacking, me being Danish, but what is meant there?

    Also, the Yellow Fewer or the Grey Death/Plague are the commonly used names for AS or Ptolies going rampant and devouring the other. This almost always happen and the huge empire you want the rest of us routinely meet and beat.

    Now I will go silent again for the same reason I did not comment before; I have no wish to seem condescending, enjoy your musings. The rest of us believe EB to be the best possible compromise achievement with the RTW engine and that noobs who elicit little experience with the gamne should keep quiet- sorry, but that is what we think.
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    You seem to possess a character of little restraint Macilee, to say "noob" after you pledge to not seem condescending...
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    I am but trying to enlighten you on the way we think, not expressing my own stance but instead trying to explain the opposition you meet.
    Further, I see nothing bad in being a noob (so do not take it personally), it is merely something we are at certain points in certain areas. Personally I would be very noob-ish in your beloved Streetfighter game, for I have never tried it. So to me, such titles carry no value, they are merely names. I am so old I have been a noob at many things later to become good at them, and also seen noobs pass my skill sometimes as they grew better and had more potential (and a good teacher).

    And in this case meant to explain something.

    There you go, as you see I was indeed restrained- which I mostly am, though also in possession of a huge ego.

    That explained I have nothing more to say.
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    You still make an error in assuming I am a "noob." As I have stated, I was cruising through you're beloved EB with little trouble - my battle stats were around 70-3, only because I try to play the game in a realistic way (in the case of being Rome, encouraging myself to fight battles in which I am highly outnumbered) and do not reload my game when I suffer a defeat. The settings were H / H, which makes the computer's units more powerful in regards to my own than the normal balance allows. And yet despite all this evidence, which if you were more possessive of acknowledgement you might realize, my complaint is not that EB is too hard, but rather that it is too easy! It is true that I haven't reached 200BC, or for that matter the dreaded "Gray or Yellow Death," but what I do know is that a script that caps the computer's gold reserves at 260000 can prevent such a "death" from being an utter, humiliating, and cry-provoking massacre!

    Quote Originally Posted by Macilrille View Post
    Also, the Yellow Fewer or the Grey Death/Plague are the commonly used names for AS or Ptolies going rampant and devouring the other. This almost always happen and the huge empire you want the rest of us routinely meet and beat.
    I also wanted to ask you something. Would the dreaded death happen, if you were Pontus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69 View Post
    I also wanted to ask you something. Would the dreaded death happen, if you were Pontus?
    The A.I. is programmed to gang up on the player, so factions you are at war with will generally get cease-fires with other A.I. factions. So if you are playing Pontus and are at war with the AS or the Ptolemies, chances are that they will forget their differences and join up to fight you . Again, this is a hard-coded feature of diplomacy, not something that can be modded.

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    Then I take that as a no, since a Selucia/Ptolemy ceasefire would prevent them from "devouring" themselves...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickNicaG69 View Post
    You still make an error in assuming I am a "noob." As I have stated, I was cruising through you're beloved EB with little trouble - my battle stats were around 70-3, only because I try to play the game in a realistic way (in the case of being Rome, encouraging myself to fight battles in which I am highly outnumbered) and do not reload my game when I suffer a defeat. The settings were H / H, which makes the computer's units more powerful in regards to my own than the normal balance allows. And yet despite all this evidence, which if you were more possessive of acknowledgement you might realize, my complaint is not that EB is too hard, but rather that it is too easy! It is true that I haven't reached 200BC, or for that matter the dreaded "Gray or Yellow Death," but what I do know is that a script that caps the computer's gold reserves at 260000 can prevent such a "death" from being an utter, humiliating, and cry-provoking massacre!



    I also wanted to ask you something. Would the dreaded death happen, if you were Pontus?
    You take things too personally, I will let you ponder for yourself what that says of you.

    I looked up Noob for you, to spare you the rant from me on what I mean by it
    What is a noob?
    A noob, also spelled newb, is someone that is new to a game or an activity.
    And that is exactly what I mean. It has nothing to do with talent or with RTW Vanilla experience, it has to do with EB experience and you have elucidated that yours is limited. Whether you can blitz the map in 100 turns as someone did a month ago has nothing to do with it. Most of us think that the game is more interesting if the competing factions get time to develop and grow strong to present us with a challenge and most of us find it most fun to both expand somewhat historically and limit ourselves with houserules in order to get a realistic-ish challenge. If you bother to look through the forum you will find many such suggestions, lists, etc.
    Further, where on earth did I say you wanted an easier game?
    Nowhere, rather I suggest you look through the forum to find some houserules and stop blitzing. That will give a harder game. The consensus of the experienced players is that if you limit the AI's acces to money you will get an easier game no matter what you wish for.

    Now, most people also thinks that before a Noob makes suggestions to change the game, he should get some experience with it, and that he should listen to what the old hands has to say. A bit like a new member in a karate club not giving the black-belted Sensei advice on how to fight if you see what I mean.
    I personally lean towards that thought, but as I have seen the occasional good idea from a noob, and sometimes been a noob with good ideas myself I am not entirely closed to such suggestions. So for my sake you can change the money script all you want. Play 10 campaigns with it changed and ten with it unchanged- with houserules limiting yourself, then I will consider it tested. I believe some others think your idea harebrained and that these things explain the opposition you meet.

    Personally I did get and appreciate your wit in the first few posts, and thought you got a slightly too hard reception of it, but could also see why. But TBH since then I saw you filter everything people said through sensitivity and possibly a bit of ego, and that makes me less likely to listen to what you have to say. Your reply to me is a case in point, nowhere did I claim you wanted an easier game. Nowhere did I attack you. I made an attempt to explain, yet you think I am attacking you and totally misinterpret what I write. That to me says that it is too difficult to communicate with you to bother.

    So I am not taking potshots at you. I do not waste my time with such. In fact I feel I did waste my time trying to explain something to you, I wonder what it says about me that I try yet again- I am probably dumb as well as grumpy and arrogant.

    If you want some advice on how to get people to listen, it is to communicate, both ways- listen/read as well as talk/write. Read what people say and kick those preconceptions (you are not alone in this, but I definately see a problem for you getting through the way you go). Turn off the ego and sensitivity and you will find a much better reception. We are not attacking you (but your idea), so be not so defensive.

    Ludens has already replied to your other question, and has hinted at the absolute worst feature of EB, the berserk AI- which makes the added money for the AI a tiddling problem. If you find a way to deal with the AI and make it sensible, I will bow to you and call you Master. Though I have a nagging suspicion that the money script does make the AI more mad as it believes it can afford wars. I dunno, you will have to discuss that with the modders.
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    Default Re: Does Comp have Unlimitied Money???

    Newb and noob may mean the same thing, but noob is often interpreted as the more derisive form. In any case, this thread is going nowhere good. In case SlicknicaG69 wants to discuss his no-help script further, he can start a new thread.

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