According to christian beliefs, where's Gandhi now?

[HoreTore]

Show me a bad King; I'll show you a good one. Show me a monster; I'll show you a hero.

Yes, and again, your point was?

The good ones can get elected in a democracy anyway, but the bad ones won't. And even if they do get elected somehow, they won't rule for more than a few years, compared to the decades a bad king can rule.

This is why sensible people prefer a republic. That, and of course the idea that we are all equal at birth, that it is our merits, abilities and achievements that should decide our place in life, not who our mother was pounded by.

[Rhyfelwyr]

This is why sensible people prefer a republic. That, and of course the idea that we are all equal at birth, that it is our merits, abilities and achievements that should decide our place in life, not who our mother was pounded by.

Well, they are pretty much determined by whoever your mother got pounded by. You can get political equality, but nature doesn't care about our egalitarian views.

In any case, monarchy had its role in the development of society, and was probably the best form of government once upon a time. Although, I agree it has few merits nowadays.

[HoreTore]

Well, they are pretty much determined by whoever your mother got pounded by.

That's very deterministic of you....

Anyway, while nature does not care about our egalitarian views, it doesn't care about our titles either. If an Einstein is born in a democracy he can become the leader even if his parents are working class, in a monarchy, the village idiot will become the leader if his father is the king.

[Rhyfelwyr]

That's very deterministic of you....

Anyway, while nature does not care about our egalitarian views, it doesn't care about our titles either. If an Einstein is born in a democracy he can become the leader even if his parents are working class, in a monarchy, the village idiot will become the leader if his father is the king.

I used to be a Marxist and now a Calvinist, determinism is just how I roll.

But as for the monarchy/democracy thing, I'm not going to argue with you. The primary advantage of monarchies were not to ensure maximum efficiency through a meritocratic system, they simply offered a more stable form of government, at a time when the central power didn't really have any important roles beyond keeping order in his lands.

Of course, that is no longer a relevant issue nowadays, hence why democracy is better (although a constitutional monarch along with a parliamentary sovereignty does have a few plus points).

[The Stranger]

the argument has totally derailed. all the posters are banned for 10 years and receive 52 million warning points and this thread is locked into oblivion.

[HoreTore]

the argument has totally derailed. all the posters are banned for 10 years and receive 52 million warning points and this thread is locked into oblivion.

The threadstarter doesn't mind....

I used to be a Marxist and now a Calvinist, determinism is just how I roll.

But as for the monarchy/democracy thing, I'm not going to argue with you. The primary advantage of monarchies were not to ensure maximum efficiency through a meritocratic system, they simply offered a more stable form of government, at a time when the central power didn't really have any important roles beyond keeping order in his lands.

Meh. Monarchy is just an institutionalized form of the rule of the playground bully. It never served any higher purpose than to make the life of the king as comfortable as possible.

Of course, that is no longer a relevant issue nowadays, hence why democracy is better (although a constitutional monarch along with a parliamentary sovereignty does have a few plus points).

Really now? If it has "a few plus points", then constitutional monarchies must be doing better than republics like France, Germany, USA, Canada or Italy, right?

I honestly can't say that we do.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Let's call this a good effort and end the meanderings. New discussion topic in mind, start a thread!