Seven Man Scrimmage V - Red Herring Mafia [Concluded]

[Centurion1]

oh crap.

pizza who you investigate.

and i remember someone claiming they were going to kill pizza. ignore that its probably a trick or maybe pizza said hed kill someone.......

[Secura]

You know, I would have put money on the mafia killing Pizza first. A shame; the town's going to have their work cut out without his reasoning, I feel.

Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3

[Centurion1]

wait i think methos could be a good choice. but lets wait to see who pizza investigated before we bandwagon. because if he was roleblocked we dont want to make that mistake.

just a word of warning

[Secura]

pizza who you investigate.

I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.

[Subotan]

Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3

Thanks. I'm particularly fond of the bit where the attacker brandishes the brandy.

[Thermal]

You know, I would have put money on the mafia killing Pizza first. A shame; the town's going to have their work cut out without his reasoning, I feel.

Excellent writeup, Subotan. :3

I am a tracker, I tracked Methos (as he has won with silent victories before now) I got lucky, it is a mini-mafia so it is a big gamble, but Methos is ATPG's killer as he entered ATPG's room last night. Secura, as Beskar's results saved town in your game, I'm hoping mine saves town in this game.

And yes, subotan nice write up, I quite like the balance of not being too long to read and not being to boring either

[Centurion1]

I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.

it usually does not work that way actually which is why i said last game. if i roleblock someone even if i die we will get at least one move out of me.

dont hold it to me though.

[Subotan]

I would assume that, because he has just been killed, he cannot reveal the results of his investigation.

Oh, is that convention? I was unsure, so I gave him his results, and trusted that being the experienced player he is, he would know what to do with them, and whether it as ethical for him to reveal his results.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have the results of my investigation and I assume I cannot reveal them because I am dead.

[Centurion1]

when was that ever a rule?

ive died because of stuff like that.

[Thermal]

Subotan, as host could you tell us if he can.

Hint: Yes would be a good answer

[Secura]

I am a tracker, I tracked Methos (as he has won with silent victories before now) I got lucky, it is a mini-mafia so it is a big gamble, but Methos is ATPG's killer as he entered ATPG's room last night. Secura, as Beskar's results saved town in your game, I'm hoping mine saves town in this game.

Yeah, Beskie was very lucky that you protected him overnight; he would have still gotten those investigation results, but would have been prohibited from revealing them as he would have been 'out of the game', as it were.

Oh, is that convention? I was unsure, so I gave him his results, and trusted that being the experienced player he is, he would know what to do with them, and whether it as ethical for him to reveal his results.

Well, you can give him his results, yes, but as far as I know, it's frowned upon to reveal those after death (how can you reveal stuff or point fingers if you're toast?); it is entirely up to you as host. Perhaps Pizza himself can clarify for you, he'd know better than I. :3

EDIT: It appears he believed the same as I, unfortunately for the town.

[Centurion1]

well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.

[Subotan]

Subotan, as host could you tell us if he can.

Hint: Yes would be a good answer

Well, you can give him his results, yes, but as far as I know, it's frowned upon to reveal those after death (how can you reveal stuff or point fingers if you're toast?); it is entirely up to you as host. Perhaps Pizza himself can clarify for you, he'd know better than I. :3

EDIT: It appears he believed the same as I, unfortunately for the town.

I have decided that due both to ATPG's opinion and the nature of the write indicating that before he could reveal his investigation results, he was unfortunately bludgeoned to death, that ATPG is not allowed to reveal his investigation results.

well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.

That's spiritual guidance.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Out of respect for the mafia, I shall not reveal my results. If you die you cannot reveal such information unless there's a role that specifically can talk to the dead. Otherwise death merely means no vote, and that is not usually how it is taken.

[Centurion1]

so be it.

Vote: methos

if tm lied we can still get him.

[Double A]

Again, the butler did it.

vote: Methos

Only one way to tell if we have a tracker or not.

[Secura]

well how come people who died can still talk. not that im arguing i dont need to make it a point but i would like a little insurance in a game like this. i have just always wondered this.

If Subotan wants me to stop posting and eat a can of STFU, well I'll get my fork and dig right in! :P

But it's fun to still post; it's not like I know anything about the game beyond what's in this thread... such is the bane of dying so early. :3

[Double A]

Yeah it really sucks when you get killed D1... miss out on an entire game.

[Subotan]

If Subotan wants me to stop posting and eat a can of STFU, well I'll get my fork and dig right in! :P

But it's fun to still post; it's not like I know anything about the game beyond what's in this thread... such is the bane of dying so early. :3

By all means go nuts. Like I said, spiritual guidance is fine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Being unable to post after you're dead as a basic townie leads to games dying of inactivity. The alternative is to kill off all the talkative people and kill the town's discussion, and I don't like games like that. No offense NOTW'ers.

I cannot give an opinion on this game anymore, so please continue as if I wasn't even a cop to begin with. Don't dwell on me.

[Double A]

They do that?

So is that why you always get killed Night -1 in NOTW games?

[Askthepizzaguy]

They do that?

So is that why you always get killed Night -1 in NOTW games?

I never have been.

However, I usually get investigated N1 in any game, and that gets tiresome. I officially hate investigator roles. How ironic.

[Secura]

Being unable to post after you're dead as a basic townie leads to games dying of inactivity. The alternative is to kill off all the talkative people and kill the town's discussion, and I don't like games like that. No offense NOTW'ers.

Exactly; if I'm still throwing my two cents in, there's more conversation, which can help stop people from winning just by playing things silently.

I think you guys should see what Methos has to say for himself, anyway, before you jump the gun.

[Thermal]

Not game related but Secura, I didn't protect anyone in your game as I wasn't in it, I simply observed because it was such an epic effort on your behalf (with interesting write ups and the whole ker-bang).

I would imagine their is only 1 mafia though 2 isn't unheard of if town have great roles, I think we do. Which might mean their are two mafia, in which case should the game continue, I wouldn't be highly surprised, though unless anything implicates it otherwise it would still make me look suspicious..... continues on side-rail of thought*

[Secura]

Not game related but Secura, I didn't protect anyone in your game as I wasn't in it, I simply observed because it was such an epic effort on your behalf (with interesting write ups and the whole ker-bang).

OH! It was SplitPersonality... I got your names confuzzled, apologies. Thank you for the critique, it took of time thinking of a good plot and stuff, but the game balance suffered as a result. Town won by sheer luck! Still, it was my first go, hoping the next will be better. :P

I would imagine their is only 1 mafia though 2 isn't unheard of if town have great roles, I think we do. Which might mean their are two mafia, in which case should the game continue, I wouldn't be highly surprised, though unless anything implicates it otherwise it would still make me look suspicious..... continues on side-rail of thought*

Thermal's claim to be a tracker makes some sense, but does bear some further thought.

If there is only one mafia, and it's Methos, then it's game over, you guys win, which would be great.

If Thermal is actually scum, and his claim is designed to throw suspicion on someone else, well the two remaining townies can always take him out in the next day phase.

If there are two mafia, the second may avenge a Methos lynch by killing Thermal overnight; he's a prime target for role-claiming, but in dying he will have at least helped you guys take one of the scum down However, that would leave one mafia versus two town in the day phase; fifty-fifty chance of winning the game for town then, not so good.

And the worst case scenario would be if both Thermal and someone else are actually scum, whereby it's tantamount to mafia victory if you get this wrong.

Four possibilities at this point. I'd still wait to hear from Methos first; there's some votes on him, that's enough pressure, let's see his response.

[Thermal]

Right now Methos is the biggest barrier we have, I know you can't see this, but should he manage to change your points of views whilst I'm not here I dread the consequence.

Just remember he doesn't want to be lynched so don't allow yourselves to be deceived easily, we need justifications for vote changes.

[Centurion1]

i think there are going to be one mafia.

i know for a fact there a few vanilla townies.

if tm is lying hes screwed.

[Secura]

Do not close your mind to the possibility that there may be a second mafia.

Constant vigilance.

[Centurion1]

either way.

there are a few paths that can occur

TM is lying
TM is telling the truth but Methos was a roleblocker or something
TM is telling the truth and Methos is Mafia.

if TM is lying then we know our scum if its not too late.
if Methos is mafia and there is another we are defintely closer.
if TM is just mistaken as to what methos's purposes were we have an issue


if we dont listen to TM then it could backfire and we could waste a key lynch.