Fatwa on terror, what the hell.

[Beskar]

Unfortunately, it is not like Fragony is going to attempt to understand, he just wanted to rag against Muslims and call everything a conspiracy of the left when you tell him off for essentially hate anything arab-looking.

In the other thread, he compared telling him off for discrimination as wanting to call the 2nd holocaust against the jews and institute Shia-law.

[Centurion1]

Unfortunately, it is not like Fragony is going to attempt to understand, he just wanted to rag against Muslims and call everything a conspiracy of the left when you tell him off for essentially hate anything arab-looking.

In the other thread, he compared telling him off for discrimination as wanting to call the 2nd holocaust against the jews and institute Shia-law.

Honestly I believe, because Frag is speaking about Muslims as he so often does, we assume it is to rage against them racially, ethnically, whatever the hell he does.

What i believe he is doing actually is creating a new topic on Secularism in Europe and using this story as a catalyst to start discussion.

[HoreTore]

Child abuse is illegal as hell.

I still want the Pope to state that child abuse gives you a one-way ticket to hell(or something along those lines).

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Child abuse is illegal as hell.

I still want the Pope to state that child abuse gives you a one-way ticket to hell(or something along those lines).

The Holy Father's immediate predecessor made such a statement.

The Church is, however, a church founded upon the idea of redemption. The only one-way ticket is one you sell to yourself be rejecting repentance.

I do admit that I am personally in favor of priests who abuse others this way being ordered to a life of monastic asceticism and prayer -- redemption is best, but it can only atone for and not obviate a crime of this kind.

[Hax]

You can't rule the muslims through the Islam and that's what they are trying to do.

Fragony, please. "The Islam" doesn't exist. Let's face it; there's no global Muslim conspiracy waiting to send in groups after groups of bearded and angry-looking men together with their veiled women and their nine children whose pleasures in life consist out of little more than turning the life of autochtonous westerlings into a state of pure misery.

Who were natural allies during the First Crusade? Right, the Fatimids (Shi'ites) and the Byzantine Empire, vs the Seljuks (Sunnites). Like they really cared what kind of denomination you followed, hell, they hardly cared whether you were a Muslim yourself (explaining the expanse of the Coptic Christians who actually fared better under Fatimid rule than they did under Byzantine rule). It's only since about...thirty/fourty years that Islamic fundamentalism has been stirring, and this largely being supported by an amount of western nations (Al-Qaeda vs Russians? Mohammed Mossadeq, 1953, CIA?) in the first place.

Islam is a word that is thrown around, like somehow, the spirit of Muhammed lives still in every single Muslim alive; it doesn't. Actually, it stopped doing so almost immediately after he died: need I remind you of the fact that Ali and Imam Husayn were killed? Need I remind you of the numerous Caliphates? Need I tell you about how the Ummayad family was slaughtered and how Abd al-Rahman fled to Al-Andalus?

Muslims and Islam are as impervious (or perhaps even more impervious) to political, social and economical change as other people. To suggest that there is some sort of hivemind that is shared by Sunnites, Shi'ites, Wahabbis, Alevi, Sufis and all the denomininations is factually incorrect and a good way of scapegoating an enormous amount of people.

The suggestion that "the Islam" exists has no factual basis, whatsoever.

It makes you think whether people have stopped taking an active interest in history.

[Fragony]

I am not talking about muslims when I say 'they', my beef is isn't with the muslims but with the multicutural left.

[Furunculus]

Muslims and Islam are as impervious (or perhaps even more impervious) to political, social and economical change as other people.

i would say that statement is debatable given the lack of separation between church and state.......

[Fragony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9C7...layer_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNq6...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v_g...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWIv...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0262...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_m...eature=related

Pretty good documentary.

[al Roumi]

i would say that statement is debatable given the lack of separation between church and state.......

That's a bit of a sweeping statement too!

I'd argue that most Muslim states, with a few notable exceptions, are ruled by secular leaders through secular structures. The "Mosque" though is undeniably important in Muslim society, comparatively mores so than in the west so yes Church and state are closer, but that again does not neccesarily mean Hax is wrong.

[HoreTore]

The Holy Father's immediate predecessor made such a statement.

The Church is, however, a church founded upon the idea of redemption. The only one-way ticket is one you sell to yourself be rejecting repentance.

I do admit that I am personally in favor of priests who abuse others this way being ordered to a life of monastic asceticism and prayer -- redemption is best, but it can only atone for and not obviate a crime of this kind.

I know he did - and I'm very happy that he did it. It may be seen as unnecessary(child abuse already being illegal) or whatever, but I honestly don't care, it's still a very good thing, and I'd say it's something that had to be said.

But where was Wilders or Fragony when the Pope gave that statement? Why didn't they cry out that time? I'll tell you why; because things like these are not a problem, they are good things - the only problem is that Wilders hates Islam, and in his mind everything about Islam is bad. That's how he can be silent when something is done in Christianity, and whine when the exact same thing is done in Islam. Some people call that hypocritical. I call it pathetic.

as for the one-way ticket, well, that was the reason why I added "or something along those lines", as I know very well that a "one way ticket to hell" is impossible in christianity, it was more a figure of speech than a proposed punishment....

The right is very diverse, but if there is one thing that is a given for all leftist party's is that you aren't allowed to have doubts about unlimited immigration and multiculture. The sectarian nature of this unquestionable fact and the paralysing social control within the leftist church is a disaster for our country's.

That's just nonsense, Frags.

The Norwegian labour party, allied with other parties of course, have been responsible for the following:

- Sending Russian POW's back to Stalin following WW2, as their "Slavic race" was "found incompatible with the Norwegian race and culture".
- Sending Czech refugees back to the Czechoslovakian dictatorship after the soviet invasion, due to the same.
- Forcing christianity and "Norwegian culture" upon the Roma and Suomi peoples, including things like forced adoption, sterilization and forced labour.
- Ending legal immigration in the 80's.

And I'm quite sure similar stuff has gone on in other countries.

[Fragony]

But where was Wilders or Fragony when the Pope gave that statement? Why didn't they cry out that time?

Enough outrage without me, where are you when a leading muslim cleric says something sick, the first thing you bring up sick things within the christian religion, there is the difference. All religions can go screw themselves, but for lefties some religions some more then others, when it are muslims they will try to relativate, a courtesy only reserved for them. And that is because leftism itself is a religion, muslims believe in Allah, lefties in multiculture, to be able to keep believing in multi-culture they will have to keep making compromises as religious nutjobs don't, and that is why the left will implement sharia law they will never accept that multi-culture isn't perfection and keep compromising. You can see it everywhere, always compromise, never a finger in the face and ridicule. But I guess I am the islamphobe because they can go to hell just as well as everybody else.

[HoreTore]

But where was Wilders or Fragony when the Pope gave that statement? Why didn't they cry out that time?

Enough outrage without me, where are you when a leading muslim cleric says something sick, the first thing you bring up sick things within the christian religion, there is the difference. All religions can go screw themselves, but for lefties some religions some more then others, when it are muslims they will try to relativate, a courtesy only reserved for them. And that is because leftism itself is a religion, muslims believe in Allah, lefties in multiculture, to be able to keep believing in multi-culture they will have to keep making compromises as religious nutjobs don't, and that is why the left will implement sharia law they will never accept that multi-culture isn't perfection and keep compromising. You can see it everywhere, always compromise, never a finger in the face and ridicule. But I guess I am the islamphobe because they can go to hell just as well as everybody else.

Right...

Please show me where I was outraged when the pope made his statement about child abuse. No, I believed it was a good thing, as you did too. But you believe that this thing, which is basically the exact same thing, is bad, and the reason is because it's coming from the muslims. And that my friend, is a clear example of blind fanaticism.

[Beskar]

Honestly I believe, because Frag is speaking about Muslims as he so often does, we assume it is to rage against them racially, ethnically, whatever the hell he does.

What i believe he is doing actually is creating a new topic on Secularism in Europe and using this story as a catalyst to start discussion.

Nah, his personal anecdotes about his hiring practises, his little riot-fun, etc, that Tribesman kept bringing up shows it isn't because he wants to do a topic on secularism.

[Centurion1]

Nah, his personal anecdotes about his hiring practises, his little riot-fun, etc, that Tribesman kept bringing up shows it isn't because he wants to do a topic on secularism.

What about tribes, i'm sorry i don't understand what you just stated.

[Centurion1]

Child abuse is illegal as hell.

I still want the Pope to state that child abuse gives you a one-way ticket to hell(or something along those lines).

Logical argument. Some matters even if stated by a religious person are still secular. Like terrorism is bad.

[CrossLOPER]

Nah, his personal anecdotes about his hiring practises...

Yeah lol.

[Brenus]

Finally one is doing it. Finally one of the Hight Cleric is doing what the Muslic High Clerics, the thinkers of the Islamic Religion should have done.

If you kill innocent you go to hell.
He has the courage to say to all the potential killers they are killers. There is no mistake, no “I wouldn’t do it but they got a point”.
They, if they use the name of Islam and are true believers, will go to hell and won’t have the virgins (or the grapes, depending on the translation)

[Fragony]

Finally one is doing it. Finally one of the Hight Cleric is doing what the Muslic High Clerics, the thinkers of the Islamic Religion should have done.

Sure, all the praise in the world, but no praise for the praise, and certainly no praise for the English government who gladly accepts (asked for?) it. This man is a soefi by the way, soefi's have always been peaceful. His religious authority is marginal, as is the British authority it seems.

Nah, his personal anecdotes about his hiring practises, his little riot-fun, etc, that Tribesman kept bringing up shows it isn't because he wants to do a topic on secularism.

That is a single post I made after Van Gogh was murdered, I was angry and wasn't thinking clearly, as I explained, I have taken my hands of it soooo many times. You weren't there at the time, Tribes never posted links but he must have known the PM-button. Don't make me angry, it isn't a very smart thing to do.

What about tribes, i'm sorry i don't understand what you just stated.

Stupid post I made 6 years ago when I was very very angry, been his doomsday-device-argument until his departure. I guess he also kept a network of cheerleaders of the radar, Beskar being one of them, spreading your poison over PM how cowardly.

[Beskar]

That is a single post I made after Van Gogh was murdered, I was angry and wasn't thinking clearly, as I explained, I have taken my hands of it soooo many times. You weren't there at the time, Tribes never posted links but he must have known the PM-button. Don't make me angry, it isn't a very smart thing to do.

It wasn't a single post, I mentioned multiple things. I remember you saying during the first time I went into the backroom, about how you throw-away and bin any job applications of anyone having a vaguely arabic looking name. So if a dutch guy was simply named Imar or another arabic sounding name with no links to Islam, you said you would bin it as "better safe than sorry". Then in the other thread yesterday.. well.. let's say even CA was surprised at the depths you went.

It seems everytime the Muslims or Islam or 'Arab' comes up, you put on an armband and foam at the mouth.

[Furunculus]

Finally one is doing it. Finally one of the Hight Cleric is doing what the Muslic High Clerics, the thinkers of the Islamic Religion should have done.

If you kill innocent you go to hell.
He has the courage to say to all the potential killers they are killers. There is no mistake, no “I wouldn’t do it but they got a point”.
They, if they use the name of Islam and are true believers, will go to hell and won’t have the virgins (or the grapes, depending on the translation)

i with Brenus here, a good move, and about time!

[Fixiwee]

Unfortunately, it is not like Fragony is going to attempt to understand, he just wanted to rag against Muslims and call everything a conspiracy of the left when you tell him off for essentially hate anything arab-looking.

In the other thread, he compared telling him off for discrimination as wanting to call the 2nd holocaust against the jews and institute Shia-law.

I could not help but to smile at this post.