Departed Dethy Mafia II [Concluded]

[Double A]

After reading Sasaki's giant post twice, and after going back and looking at Secura's post, this just strikes me as odd.

tl; dr - Remember Rule #1.

I did read the post, but this one line just seems like a scumgernade thrown in my face... like a last-chance plea to get me to vote for her enemy, hoping I'm too lazy to care, or a joke that will seal the job.

vote: Secura

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why did you hint you were Sullivan when I asked before Sasaki? Was it WIFOM? From how the game has gone it appears the roles are set as they were in the film, trying to work out scum at that point by role revealing may have worked. Not only did you not deny being Sullivan you gently turned the discussion toward investigation methods and away from finding players roles, which is what really made me suspect you. I still think it's you. If it's Double A then you should be ashamed of your lurky victory. If Secura, well played.

My role was captain queenan, your theory had me as the normal cop. I was investigating Secura. If your theory was proven correct, I would probably be killed.

I don't think the roles reveal anything however.

I was joking about the sullivan thing, because secura had been saying how she hadn't seen the movie, and it would be funny if someone accidentally confessed to being the mole. I capitalized the J and added a K to that quote in case people took it seriously for some reason.

[Secura]

No you haven't, see my above post.

Actually yes, I have, and you can ask Beskar regarding that if you so choose; I have shared all my thoughts of the game with him, from my very first post until you and I revealed our results for this phase. I have actually done this for every single game I have played at .Org thus far, even Noblesse Oblige, though he never gave any hints on that particular game.

He likes to see my theories on what's happening, match them to his own and then (as is typical of him) give me a blunt "you're wrong" or "you're right". Beskar was actually maintaining your innocence and pointing at Double A, until I pointed out the very possibility you pointed out.

Like it or not, I have suspected you for the entire game, treacle.

[Secura]

vote: Secura

I expected this. Whomsoever is the mafia out of the pair of you has won.

I'm sorry I played so poorly, JHT and Methos.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will be terrible amused if Double A is mafia. His posts today have a certain reserved glee about them, which you'd expect from a mafioso watching two townies post giant attacks on each other.

But I believe in lynching people who have been scummy the whole game :)

[johnhughthom]

I capitalized the J and added a K to that quote in case people took it seriously for some reason.

Gah, I totally missed that.

[Secura]

I will be terrible amused if Double A is mafia. His posts today have a certain reserved glee about them, which you'd expect from a mafioso watching two townies post giant attacks on each other.

But I believe in lynching people who have been scummy the whole game :)

I'm afraid that is the case; you're either going to be a very happy mafia or a very sad townie. Either way, it looks like you're going to be amused, so it can't be all that bad.

[Secura]

I did read the post, but this one line just seems like a scumgernade thrown in my face... like a last-chance plea to get me to vote for her enemy, hoping I'm too lazy to care, or a joke that will seal the job.

Too late to change things, certainly, but felt I should clarify this for you.

Beskar informs me that Sasaki's "Remember Rule #1" custom title means "Rule #1: Sasaki is mafia" or something to that effect. I believe he is guilty, and posted that in the event that you decided not to read all of my post (I have the tendancy to waffle at times) and simply skipped to the end.

Not really a plea of sorts, because I expected to have two votes against me at this stage (I knew this was going to happen, yada, yada, yada)... just a sort of "don't forget this" sort of thing.

S'all there was to it.

[Methos]

I'm inclined to believe that Sasaki is the mole. My reasoning is simple, my posts seemed to show I believed Secura over Sasaki. If I had survived Secura would have easily persuaded me to join her against Sasaki. Double A on the otherhand was an unknown. Therefore I had to die. If Secura was the mole she should have taken out Double A.

Now if Double A is the mole then leaving both Secura and Sasaki alive was the wisest choice. Personally my vote is that Sasaki is the mole.

[Methos]

Sorry I'm writing this on my phone sothe above cameout unclear. Basically the only reason I was killed last night would be if Sasaki or Double A was the mole. Killing me was suicide I'd the mole is Secura.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yesterday you said you thought I was innocent:

Right now I'm inclined to believe Sasaki is innocent

I'm tempted to switch to double A. But I think it's too late.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, I've decided Secura is innocent, and Double A is guilty.

unvote, Vote:Double A

[Methos]

Death changes things.

[johnhughthom]

Death changes things.

You aren't making a lot of sense Methos...

[Double A]

Sasaki, you're pretty freaking scummy. Secura kind of explained the td;dr line, and now that I think about it, she's less likely to be scum, even though her some of her posts reek of it. My gut's giving me a bad feeling about both of you, but I'm gonna take a chance on this and unvote, vote: Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, you're pretty freaking scummy. Secura kind of explained the td;dr line, and now that I think about it, she's less likely to be scum, even though her some of her posts reek of it. My gut's giving me a bad feeling about both of you, but I'm gonna take a chance on this and unvote, vote: Sasaki

No, you are mafia. You will probably win though since Secura won't get back in time.

If I'm mafia, tell me why I switched my vote when victory was assured?

[johnhughthom]

This game is crazy, you're all acting ridiculously scummily.

[Methos]

You aren't making a lot of sense Methos...

I wish work didn't block the site so I could type this on a computer. The short of it is that today was all about keeping the people alive you either knew would vote a certain way or who you knew you could get to vote how you wanted. Sasaki and Double A are the only ones who gain by my death.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This game is crazy, you're all acting ridiculously scummily.

Secura is very scummy, but she's town. I might be scummy (up to you), but there's no reason for me to unvote if I was mafia.

Double A is very clearly the mole.

[johnhughthom]

but there's no reason for me to unvote if I was mafia.

I have to admit that threw me, I certainly wasn't expecting it. Secura is going to have a difficult choice to make, I hope she checks in here before she goes to work/college/whatever she does.

[Double A]

No, you are mafia. You will probably win though since Secura won't get back in time.

If I'm mafia, tell me why I switched my vote when victory was assured?

It's another freaking WIFOM that you are using to confuse Secura.

[johnhughthom]

It's another freaking WIFOM that you are using to confuse Secura.

But there was no need for it, he had the game won if he is scum. How could he have known you were going to change your vote to him?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's another freaking WIFOM that you are using to confuse Secura.

Why do I want to confuse Secura?

You think I'm going for some sort of ultimate victory, by hoping that she checks the game at 8 am and decides to vote for you after saying that she would "vote for sasaki no matter what the investigation results are"? Instead of just leaving my vote on her, content that I'd convinced you with my massive wall of text post?

[Secura]

You guys are lucky that a) I can't sleep, b) I was getting bored of Prof Layton and c) decided to check the Gameroom via iPhone xD

Not really sure what to make of this; I guess I should thank Methos for a start. I'm glad you realised that I sorta needed your investigation to prove my innocence... so had no reason to kill you at all. It was why I suggested the investigation change, because I felt I was being set up, and it was true.

Where does it go from here though?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now you vote double A, or at least unvote me.

This is double A as mafia in pick your power:

Sorry, I was busy playing the Bad Company 2 demo... er I mean doing homework.

I have thought long and hard on the bulletproof WIFOM... if I were mafia I'd pick or claim it to throw the town off, or get my partner to attack me so that way I'd look innocent (which probably would happen tonight). But that's just me. But anyway, vote: Cent

Compare to his posts today.

He starts out sitting on the fence competely "fos:both of you".

After I post my case he picks up on a single thing from your post and makes it the basis of his vote on you.

I switch my vote (very very unlikely as a mafia move) and he switches right over to me and stays put. No "you're wrong sasaki, secura really is mafia, I'm innocent", he just puts his vote in winning position.

Opportunistic mafia.

[johnhughthom]

What character are you Double A?

[Secura]

I have had to reboot my laptop; trying to formulate proper posts with my phone's touchscreen was proving impossible, and it's not like I have sausage fingers or anything. -_-'

I'm going to be completely honest and say that I'm not really sure what to do, because I never expected to be put into this situation whatsoever; I went to sleep because I felt it was a done deal, and the town had lost.

Someone has been thinking ahead as each kill happened; killing johnhughthom so that the Sasaki-Secura argument stood out, killing Methos so that there was a missing result on me in this phase... everything has been orchestrated to make me look the most culpable; the true townie should have realised my innocence. :/

I have a question that sorta need addressing anyway:

Double A... if you're certain that Sasaki is scum, why did he change vote?

If I was the scum, I'd have ignored Methos' post, not drawn attention to it or anything like that and waited it out until Blackadder ends this in seven hours or so, where I'd have been home and dry and won.

unvote, for the time being... not really sure what to believe at the moment, t'is very late. :<

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Actually, this was the plan from the beginning. I picked someone at random, and acted like I was convinced they were mafia. That guaranteed my survival to the final day. Then, either they would crack under the pressure, or the other guy would reveal himself as opportunistic mafia.







...Suuuuure

If I was the scum, I'd have ignored Methos' post, not drawn attention to it or anything like that and waited it out until Blackadder ends this in seven hours or so, where I'd have been home and dry and won.

It wasn't even methos's post really. I don't think it would be suicidal for you to kill him as mafia, he even said yesterday that he thought I was innocent.

I was just struggling with the though of "yeah, Double A is probably mafia, but how foolish will I look if Secura is mafia and I unvote after having pegged her as mafia in my first post".

And then I decided to heck with it, double A was being opportunistic and playing like he did in the game I hosted, and you were lots scummier here then when you were as mafia in nobless. I decided your insistence on offering yourself up for investigation and claiming your role were you earnestly trying to convince us of your innocence rather than mafia trying to manipulate us, and that your suspicion of me was more of disbelief and outrage that I was attacking you so hard than a calculated move to take down your biggest threat. You also kept up appearances after the votes were cast and Double A was ready to call it a day.

[Secura]

It wasn't even methos's post really. I don't think it would be suicidal for you to kill him as mafia, he even said yesterday that he thought I was innocent.

Well, he said you were innocent based upon the reasoning I gave that you were innocent; when I said you were the sole person to claim that result, it must have meant you're innocent yourself. You pointed out the flaw in that, and I realised it was possible you were still mafia; he clearly changed his mind and went back to not having an inkling who was guilty or innocent either way.

I decided your insistence on offering yourself up for investigation and claiming your role were you earnestly trying to convince us of your innocence rather than mafia trying to manipulate us, and that your suspicion of me was more of disbelief and outrage that I was attacking you so hard than a calculated move to take down your biggest threat. You also kept up appearances after the votes were cast and Double A was ready to call it a day.

I'm actually glad that you've finally understood what I've been trying to do for the last four days. Unfortunately it's come at a point where I have no idea who is actually the scum, though it doesn't really help Double A's case if he isn't posting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What's suspicious about me at this point?

Homing in on someone and throwing the kitchen sink at them in an attempt to get them lynched is a well known flaw/feature of my townie play.