Departed Dethy Mafia II [Concluded]

[Secura]

At this point, honestly?

Not as much as there was previously, perhaps, because some of those concerns have been eased whereas others have appeared in Double A. The only certainty I've had from the start is my own innocence, everything else is what I infer from posts and results. Things aren't looking good for AA though, really; he doesn't have long to answer what his role is, among other things.

However, for all I know, this could simply be a very clever gambit of yours designed to take into account the words of Methos and JHT before Double A could jump onto them, bring me back into the game and have me vote off AA instead. You're certainly intelligent enough to think of something like that, and it's worked to an extent already (I unvoted, no?)... it's somewhat possible.

If it was Double A and someone else, I'd have voted AA without being so cautious or hesistant. It's because it's you, such a good mafia player, that I'm exercising a bit more restraint.

[Methos]

However, for all I know, this could simply be a very clever gambit of yours designed to take into account the words of Methos and JHT before Double A could jump onto them, bring me back into the game and have me vote off AA instead. You're certainly intelligent enough to think of something like that, and it's worked to an extent already (I unvoted, no?)... it's somewhat possible.

I had considered this too and realized he could always change it back at the last minute. It is very risky, but devious too. Granted, if he is the mafia, he's doing an excellent job as I'm leaning more towards AA now.

[Captain Blackadder]

Ok with a tie in the final round and not long to go a decision has being made by myself the game is to continue untill someone breaks the deadlock whomever that is will be the final vote after that the game is over even if I am not on at the time.

[Secura]

There goes the hope that I could ease my troubles with random.org. :P

Still need to hear from Double A about a few things first.

[johnhughthom]

Come on Secura, make your decision! I need to know!!

[Secura]

I need piece of mind first, and only Double A answering the questions thrown at him will grant that. Waiting for him to get home from school, I assume. :/

Apologies.

[Double A]

Sorry I was sleeping. And when I went up I had to go to school. Unless of course you all would prefer it if I stayed of 24/7

Bigger post coming

[Double A]

What character are you Double A?

Staff Sgt. Dingham

At this point, honestly?

Not as much as there was previously, perhaps, because some of those concerns have been eased whereas others have appeared in Double A. The only certainty I've had from the start is my own innocence, everything else is what I infer from posts and results. Things aren't looking good for AA though, really; he doesn't have long to answer what his role is, among other things.

Role done, other things coming.

However, for all I know, this could simply be a very clever gambit of yours designed to take into account the words of Methos and JHT before Double A could jump onto them, bring me back into the game and have me vote off AA instead. You're certainly intelligent enough to think of something like that, and it's worked to an extent already (I unvoted, no?)... it's somewhat possible.

If it was Double A and someone else, I'd have voted AA without being so cautious or hesistant. It's because it's you, such a good mafia player, that I'm exercising a bit more restraint.

This is what also throws me off. Yes, Sasaki, I do believe you have a master plan, and that first paragraph is pretty much how I picture it (minus the maniacal laughter, of course).

I figured that, since you then knew Secura wasn't Dingham, then I must be him. And for all I know, CB could have added a personal victory where Dingham is offed before one side wins, either cops or mole. That way if you lost you'd still get a consolidation prize.

This is double A as mafia in pick your power:

(quoted posts)

Compare to his posts today.

Ok you know as well as I do that, even though the town basically chopped it's legs off in that game I still didn't know if there was a cop, doctor, or anything else. I only knew me and atheotes were the mafia, and got the lynch-related roles, which is an advantage in itself, we were still stumbling around in the dark. Compare them to other games where I had no freaking idea on what was going on.

I'm very consistent.

He starts out sitting on the fence completely "fos:both of you".

Because I was on the fence. You both acted equally guilty. All the accusations you both threw at each other made my eyes sore.

After I post my case he picks up on a single thing from your post and makes it the basis of his vote on you.

I'm not good at analyzing posts, but I could have pulled up a whole splurge of things. I was just hoping to go to sleep "early" for a change.

I switch my vote (very very unlikely as a mafia move) and he switches right over to me and stays put. No "you're wrong sasaki, secura really is mafia, I'm innocent", he just puts his vote in winning position.

Yeah try telling me to do something that makes sense at 11 pm, see what happens.

Opportunistic mafia.

I'm not just an opportunistic mafia: I'm completely opportunistic.

I'm very consistent.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is what also throws me off. Yes, Sasaki, I do believe you have a master plan, and that first paragraph is pretty much how I picture it (minus the maniacal laughter, of course).

But why would it be me as mafia with that plan, rather than secura doing the same thing now, prolonging the day to make the victory sweeter?

If you'd really thought Secura was more suspicious you wouldn't have jumped right over to me, setting me up as the lynch. You just wanted one of us to be lynched.

I figured that, since you then knew Secura wasn't Dingham, then I must be him. And for all I know, CB could have added a personal victory where Dingham is offed before one side wins, either cops or mole. That way if you lost you'd still get a consolidation prize.

CB could have added an additional victory condition...?

[Secura]

I figured that, since you then knew Secura wasn't Dingham, then I must be him.

What does this part mean?

To me, it sounds like "if Secura wasn't Dingham, I must be him"... well, would you not have known you're this Dingham from the moment you recieved your role PM? o_o

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He's talking about what he think I knew. Sasaki jnew secura wasn't dingham, so sasaki knew that double A must be dingham. And decided to try and lynch him because of a secret victory condition added by Captain Blackadder.

[Double A]

Exactly.

[Secura]

Argh, I feel as though I'm going around in circles! This isn't really an easy decision, but I'm prolonging the game by not making my mind up, which isn't fair on either of you, the audience or the host.

I've felt that Sasaki was guilty for the full course of the game, and after thinking long and hard about this, I'm going to stick with that feeling and vote: Sasaki. I just can't see enough to absolve you of blame and find Double A more culpable, I'm afraid.

If you are guilty, then I'm glad it's finally done and dusted, because this game's drained the life out of me. And if you are actually innocent... well I cannot think of a finer player to be on the losing side with to be honest; you played a brilliant game no matter what the true outcome.

[johnhughthom]

Don't feel too bad if you're wrong Secura, I would have done the same.

[Methos]

Looking forward to the update! [Looks around for adder]

[Secura]

A friend told me that, at the end of the day, the decision is mine to make and no matter what the outcome, I've played the game as best I could. I had to follow my initial feelings through and face the conclusion they led to know matter what. Many thanks to that friend for the advice. :3

I'm not going to worry too much if I'm wrong, because I know that I really enjoyed this little tête-à-tête with Sasaki and it's turned out to be one of the best games I've had, here or elsewhere. I think that no matter what happens, he's the true winner of the game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh well, I confess.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

not to being the mole necessarily. Let's just leave that up in the air shall we?

[Methos]

I find that both hilarious and want to tell you where to stick it!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now that the game has been decided, I want to say I've thoroughly enjoyed it very much.

[Secura]

Now that the game has been decided, I want to say I've thoroughly enjoyed it very much.

It's been a good one... bit of a rollercoaster.

[johnhughthom]

Now that the game has been decided, I want to say I've thoroughly enjoyed it very much.

What would you do in Secura's shoes?

[Renata]

It was fun to watch. I was able to determine after the first night based on Methos being innocent that no matter who the mafia was, they knew the normal cop's identity. I wasn't able to get back to it after Methos' death to see the implications.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It was fun to watch. I was able to determine after the first night based on Methos being innocent that no matter who the mafia was, they knew the normal cop's identity. I wasn't able to get back to it after Methos' death to see the implications.

I don't know if it's possible even now to determine the normal cops identity.

Who do you think was mafia out of the last three?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What would you do in Secura's shoes?

I wasn't paying close attention to this game, so I don't know.

I know there's a solution to the Dethy game which is easily found online, which renders the game nearly impossible for the mafia to win even with perfect play. And, it would require perfect play to even have a shot at it. IMO the game is imbalanced when people know the solution.

In my casual observation, Sasaki was doing everything, and I mean literally everything, I would have done to escape death as mafia. His last minute switch to Double A is something I would have tried to do to get Secura's favor, because it's not an intuitive move for a scum to do. That's the entire point.

It was either him or Double A, but Sasaki seemed to put up more of a fight and he definitely tried to influence Secura more than Double A did. That doesn't always indicate scum, but it does indicate that he felt powerless in the final round and needed additional support.

However Double A wasn't impressing me at all. it was a very close choice.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think this game doesn't follow the dethy model. In the game that turned up when I googled it, they got a Night zero investigation (the mafia couldn't kill that night). In this game it's basically useless, as I said day one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd have to work it out on paper, but the last two Dethy games I was in, the town won, and in the second one we did it the "proper" way with investigations instead of blind lynches. And there was a Night One murder in that game, so I believe it is still very possible. I've never seen it done with a night zero investigation before.

[johnhughthom]

I wasn't paying close attention to this game, so I don't know.

What is close attention? A 200 page notebook filled with notes on the game?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is close attention? A 200 page notebook filled with notes on the game?

no, but it might have been a page or two.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'd have to work it out on paper, but the last two Dethy games I was in, the town won, and in the second one we did it the "proper" way with investigations instead of blind lynches. And there was a Night One murder in that game, so I believe it is still very possible. I've never seen it done with a night zero investigation before.

According to this:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index....Dethy/Analysis

Cop head start is usually assumed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

According to this:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index....Dethy/Analysis

Cop head start is usually assumed.

Hmmm interesting.

I've never played it that way before. That seems even more game-breaking than the setup I've played.