If it wasn't so mean-spirited, it would be funny...

[Rhyfelwyr]

But if they allow gay couples to mix with straight people, then they might be influenced and turn gay.

Like when they allowed blacks to have proms on the same night, and the white kids...

Nah, even I'll admit that this is petty. But at the same time there's no need for the leftist moral outrage, she could just suck it up and respect peoples traditions, the world doesn't have to change just for her.

[Fragony]

Nah, even I'll admit that this is petty. But at the same time there's no need for the leftist moral outrage, she could just suck it up and respect peoples traditions, the world doesn't have to change just for her.

^--- that

If the school administration felt the need to take a stand on sexual orientation - which is not at all their place - they should have disallowed the girl to attend and dealt with the lawsuits and backlash.


This as well.

[Ser Clegane]

the world doesn't have to change just for her.

And again - what exactly would change for the others? How would the prom be in []any[/i] kind different/worse for all the other people if this gay couple showed if with one girl wearing a tuxedo?

Could somebody please point out the key traditional elements of a prom to me? Is "no gay couples" one of these key elements? I thought the key elements were dressing up, dancing closely, planning a nice evening for your date, electing a prom queen, etc. - not sure how any of these things might be negatively affected by this lesbian couple. At least as long as nobody on either side makes a big ruckus of the gay couple coming to the prom. This should not even be a matter of discussion for either side - they should simply go there, like every other couple, behave like every other couple and end of story.

[johnhughthom]

electing a prom queen

Well, I suppose allowing gay couples might change that...

[Ser Clegane]

Well, I suppose allowing gay couples might change that...

How?

[johnhughthom]

Umm, twas a joke. Electing a prom "queen" with guy men might get interesting.

[Ser Clegane]

Umm, twas a joke.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Umm, twas a joke. Electing a prom "queen" with gay men might get interesting.

I knew I'd get lucky.


Last year, students at Fairfax Senior High School in Los Angeles elected gay senior Sergio Garcia as prom queen."That was news, even in Los Angeles,"

[Beskar]

I knew I'd get lucky.


Last year, students at Fairfax Senior High School in Los Angeles elected gay senior Sergio Garcia as prom queen."That was news, even in Los Angeles,"

I posted that, Louis, bad boy.

[Fragony]

And again - what exactly would change for the others? How would the prom be in []any[/i] kind different/worse for all the other people if this gay couple showed if with one girl wearing a tuxedo?

Could somebody please point out the key traditional elements of a prom to me? Is "no gay couples" one of these key elements? I thought the key elements were dressing up, dancing closely, planning a nice evening for your date, electing a prom queen, etc. - not sure how any of these things might be negatively affected by this lesbian couple. At least as long as nobody on either side makes a big ruckus of the gay couple coming to the prom. This should not even be a matter of discussion for either side - they should simply go there, like every other couple, behave like every other couple and end of story.

It's just how they see it, nobody is disagreeing with that this is stupid.

[Beskar]

it is the school fault, not the students.

If the girl wanted to come with her female friend, that would be allowed, but since she is a lesbian, we can't bring her female friend.

What imbeciles, no one can condone the school for what they did and anyone who does should be shipped back to 69 B.C and learn a thing or two from the Romans.


This is one from California - http://www.people.com/people/article...281762,00.html Now that is an interesting one.

[gaelic cowboy]

But at the same time there's no need for the leftist moral outrage, she could just suck it up and respect peoples traditions, the world doesn't have to change just for her.

The world also doesnt need to stay the same for you

[naut]

Mean-spirited indeed. I wholy agree with Ser. Who is getting hurt here if they allow her to go? No one, maybe a few parents get uneasy, but this isn't their event so who cares about them. For me the Dalai Lama says it best:

"If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask, 'What is your companion's opinion?' If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'if two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"

[Meneldil]

she could just suck it up and respect peoples traditions, the world doesn't have to change just for her.

What's that?

[Fragony]

What's that?

Well prom for example. Not so strange they don't like that in Hillbilly-land. She knows it will greatly upset them, that is why she's doing it. The people there aren't ready for this. I don't see the problem, the other kids get their prom, she gets her attention she was looking for, everybody happy. No way the school didn't threaten to call of the prom altogether if she didn't back of. She started rolling on the floor and started screaming, like kids do when they don't get what they want when they want it.

[miotas]

If you're going to draw a parallel to a child chucking a tantrum then I'd say it was the school, stamping it's foot and saying "Fine! If we can't get what we want, nobody else gets what they want!"

[naut]

Well prom for example. Not so strange they don't like that in Hillbilly-land. She knows it will greatly upset them, that is why she's doing it. The people there aren't ready for this. I don't see the problem, the other kids get their prom, she gets her attention she was looking for, everybody happy.

Haha. There isn't some great Lesbian conspiracy to overthrow the straights. She just wanted to celebrate graduating with her partner.

No way the school didn't threaten to call of the prom altogether if she didn't back of. She started rolling on the floor and started screaming, like kids do when they don't get what they want when they want it.

Assumption based on 0 facts.

[Fragony]

Assumption based on 0 facts.

But very, very likely. Also very likely that there have been numerous talks with her on how sensitive these things are. She's an activist.

[Meneldil]

Even if she was an activist, which you can't prove so far, what's the problem? If she tried to underline that Mississippi is full of religous nutjobs who hunt down gays for their entertainment, she hit right on the spot.

Either she simply wanted to go the prom with her date (in which case the school is retard), or she wanted to make a political point and succedeed.

The fact that 'those people' and their 'tradition' are not any better than muslim fundamentalists and fascists doesn't make them right. Sometimes you have to stand up for your rights (an argument that you bring forth all the time when discussing Geert Wilders), and that's precisely what she did: she stood up for her right to be a lesbian and to have a date without being a pariah.

Maybe Rosa Parks shouldn't have stood up for her right to sit in a bus. I mean, she was totally not respecting white scumbags and their tradition.

[Goofball]

To be fair, I don't think we can blame this one entirely on religion. There are plenty of small-minded bigots who don't need the Bible or the Qu'ran to tell them to hate gays. They do just fine on their own...

[Rhyfelwyr]

Maybe Rosa Parks shouldn't have stood up for her right to sit in a bus. I mean, she was totally not respecting white scumbags and their tradition.

Going to your school prom isn't a human right, when it's a private function they make the rules, there's no need for social authoritarianism to make everyone conform. Although if the event is funded by the state then I guess the school shouldn't really break its rules.

[Fragony]

Even if she was an activist, which you can't prove so far, what's the problem? If she tried to underline that Mississippi is full of religous nutjobs who hunt down gays for their entertainment, she hit right on the spot.

Either she simply wanted to go the prom with her date (in which case the school is retard), or she wanted to make a political point and succedeed.

The fact that 'those people' and their 'tradition' are not any better than muslim fundamentalists and fascists doesn't make them right. Sometimes you have to stand up for your rights (an argument that you bring forth all the time when discussing Geert Wilders), and that's precisely what she did: she stood up for her right to be a lesbian and to have a date without being a pariah.

Maybe Rosa Parks shouldn't have stood up for her right to sit in a bus. I mean, she was totally not respecting white scumbags and their tradition.

Rosa parks didn't fight her battles over the heads of others, this girl does, she is self-centred enough to sabotage other peoples prom. Of course she knew this would happen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nah, even I'll admit that this is petty. But at the same time there's no need for the leftist moral outrage, she could just suck it up and respect peoples traditions, the world doesn't have to change just for her.

She has done no wrong in simply asking for what is hers, which is the same rights and treatment as everyone else.

You wouldn't tell Rosa Parks that she's making a stink about where she sits on a bus, and that she should suck it up. It might be a little thing to you, but it is everything to the oppressed minority. It's certainly not your place to tell this girl what rights she's entitled to that she should ignore. There's every need for the moral outrage, just because you aren't the one being systematically mistreated and oppressed, that doesn't mean there isn't an injustice to be corrected.

Edit: Finally read the thread in its entirety, and as others have pointed out, this is a public school, not a private religious function. Everyone's rights are protected there.

[Rhyfelwyr]

She has done no wrong in simply asking for what is hers, which is the same rights and treatment as everyone else.

You mean the right to take a person of the opposite sex to the prom, the same way everyone else does?

lol, I don't really think that, but the school could see things that way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You mean the right to take a person of the opposite sex to the prom, the same way everyone else does?

lol, I don't really think that, but the school could see things that way.

You mean the right to take a person to a public event, not a private religious meeting, the same way everyone else does? The girl was doing nothing wrong.

The school seems to forget that minorities deserve equal treatment under the law, and they seem to forget that discrimination against gays in this fashion is still illegal, that's why the girl contacted the ACLU when her rights were trampled on. Oh, but they remembered just in time to cover their butts and cancel the event for everyone.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You can legislate changes much more easily than you can educate people to accept the wisdom behind the changes. Give it time. The lass in question has made her point -- internationally -- and it will add to the mix.

[Don Corleone]

This thread reads like the worst of what I've come to expect in political/sociological discourse these days. You've all made intelligent, well-thought out arguments, don't get me wrong...

It just strikes me that there is a presumptive view that everyone must embrace every idea the majority finds favor with.

Of course the high school in question was expressing bigoted behavior. What bothers me is what Seamus hinted at in his last post, and I'll undercore for effect... you don't win arguments by forcing your view on others... you create partisans that way. Democracies aren't about getting 50.1% of the people to craw laws down the throats of the remaining 49.9% population....

Catholic priests won't marry gay couples. Should 50.1% of the population (or some small legislative block) pass laws to throw them in jail for not doing so?

Or should we start a dialogue about these things?

WTF!?

[Fragony]

you don't win arguments by forcing your view on others...

sums it up

[HoreTore]

This thread reads like the worst of what I've come to expect in political/sociological discourse these days. You've all made intelligent, well-thought out arguments, don't get me wrong...

It just strikes me that there is a presumptive view that everyone must embrace every idea the majority finds favor with.

Of course the high school in question was expressing bigoted behavior. What bothers me is what Seamus hinted at in his last post, and I'll undercore for effect... you don't win arguments by forcing your view on others... you create partisans that way. Democracies aren't about getting 50.1% of the people to craw laws down the throats of the remaining 49.9% population....

Catholic priests won't marry gay couples. Should 50.1% of the population (or some small legislative block) pass laws to throw them in jail for not doing so?

Or should we start a dialogue about these things?

WTF!?

No, I don't care what you believe. You can believe that gays are immoral SOB's as much as you like, I don't care. But you can't exclude gays from public life, sorry. You have the right to not like them as you please, they have a right to exist.

I'm not targeting you specifically Don, it's aimed at the people this thread is about....