Quote Originally Posted by Reenk Roink View Post
Well yeah it's a personal opinion. Anyway, I frequently disregard the opinions of many people with the scientific mindset especially on metaphysical issues (such as scientific realism). Many scientists today are scientific realists, but there's a very good argument that constructive empiricists stand on firmer ground, for example.

The interpretation of QM that I support for example (or other interpretations that others support), is as consistent with the results of QM as the main one. Just because many scientists today don't like it is as irrelevent as the fact as Einstien did like it.



But it's absolutely relevant. It shows that invoking QM and interpreting the results as proof of ontological indeterminism does not do anything to the argument for determinism that is made in respect to free will.

Determinism certainly has some extremely strong arguments for it however. Cause-effect relations abound. Determinism above the Quantum level has a much stronger argument for it than any kind of indeterminism.
if there is free will cause and effect will only situate your freedom, not determine it. e.g. the effect will cause your scala of choises, but which choice you make is still yours. wether the choices available are all rational is something different.

Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
All you made was an assertion

You are saying that free will requires regulative control, i.e. that you have to be able to choose between different alternatives. Other people would argue that you have free will if you have guidance control, i.e. you bring about your actions even if you don't have any alternative. I was talking about this in the ice cream example. Do you define freedom as the ability to do anything? I would think not, because then no one could have free will, since we are all fettered by gravity. Some might say that a freely taken action originates in a certain way from your psychological self.
you should google the deciscion inducer thought experiment.



Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
Name one.

In order for the Will to be "Free" it must be unbound, if it is fettered by fate then it is not "Free".
thats actually not true. Human Freedom is always bound. unless you believe there is a radical schism between body and mind or soul, and such mind or soul is pure active intellect. but then it is still bound, if not in the body. because as pure intellect it is not possible to touch the material world. or you would argue that all is pure energy but then we get into another discussion entirely.