This is the only place I could ask!!!

**Megas Methuselah** · 03-30-2010, 00:21

Originally Posted by Drewski

Thanks for the info in this thread, think I'll pick up M2TW first, give that a good few weeks playing time, then go for NTW, and not bother with ETW...

If M2TW wasn't so damn cheap nowadays, I'l tell you to just forget about it.

**Duguntz** · 03-30-2010, 06:06

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

If M2TW wasn't so damn cheap nowadays, I'l tell you to just forget about it.

Don't say blasphemy! at least, M2TW will allow our grand-children to play eB 2 ( IF it comes out for them!) and if we're lucky, we might even be alive to see it's comming out (though we might be too cynil to play. age can be devastator!)

**Megas Methuselah** · 03-30-2010, 07:16

Originally Posted by Duguntz

Don't say blasphemy! at least, M2TW will allow our grand-children to play eB 2 ( IF it comes out for them!) and if we're lucky, we might even be alive to see it's comming out (though we might be too cynil to play. age can be devastator!)

By that time, the Aboriginal population will be the majority in Saskatchewan and Manitoba and will have no interest in European history...

Ah well. I have dreams of playing this when I retire. What a terrible old mushom I'd be, spending all my free time gaming and not passing on the ancestral family stories to the grandkids.

**Duguntz** · 03-30-2010, 13:50

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

By that time, the Aboriginal population will be the majority in Saskatchewan and Manitoba and will have no interest in European history...

Ah well. I have dreams of playing this when I retire. What a terrible old mushom I'd be, spending all my free time gaming and not passing on the ancestral family stories to the grandkids.

Don't worry, my Cree brother, we will always have time to remember and pass to the nexts generations the tales of our forefather, to teachtheir philosophy and the nowadays lost wisdom within it, and we will always have time to do that, because we're a mountain of pride for our past history, as different they may be, still linked by one same continent! (And if we're really busy with the EB 2 miracle, well... we'll mod it to make a ''Native : Total War'' ;)

**Macilrille** · 03-31-2010, 09:25

Kingdoms does have the American Discovery and colonisation.

In any case, I am pretty certain that is was my father's and godfather's interest in history that sowed the seeds of mine. The histories in history made me a historian and that is still what I find exciting about it.

**Megas Methuselah** · 03-31-2010, 21:35

Originally Posted by Macilrille

Kingdoms does have the American Discovery and colonisation.

CA's protrayal of the First Peoples in America is always pretty basic/bad (especially in ETW; their portrayal of the First Nations in there is downright insulting), just like their portrayal of history in all their games.

Still fun, I guess. Personally, I never bothered with Kingdoms, and I'll never play it. The only reason I'm ever going to buy it is to play EB2 with it.

**Marcus Darkstar** · 03-31-2010, 23:28

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

CA's protrayal of the First Peoples in America is always pretty basic/bad (especially in ETW; their portrayal of the First Nations in there is downright insulting), just like their portrayal of history in all their games.

Still fun, I guess. Personally, I never bothered with Kingdoms, and I'll never play it. The only reason I'm ever going to buy it is to play EB2 with it.

With Kingdoms I mostly played the Crusades part in the middle east. I like their improvements on the Byzantine Empire's unit list specially the inclusion of Greek Flamethrowers for the faction.

**Hooahguy** · 04-01-2010, 21:56

with regard to NTW, i only trust Darth's opinion. his opinino exactly matched mine for every game after RTW, and managed to fix them up quite nicely. still some holes in ETW, though.
so check with his no bull assessment, then make your decision.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=337315

**Drewski** · 04-03-2010, 01:12

Can't really agree in principle with Darth...Played NTW for about 26hrs playing time now as GB.

Yes the graphics are amazing (I have everything at max and Ultra Size units). Sea battles are a little frustraing, but are NOT easy, especially against an roughly even enemy (I've lost a few already, partly because of the ais perfect control of manoeuvering, which has always been there, but is much more evident in a water enviroment with no obstacles). I agree some ships have unrealistically fast turn rate.

As for the ai, I just didn't really see what he reported. The ai in a reasonably balanced battle, 9/10 times advanced sensibly up to musket range, then stood there firing, while trying many times to flank with some units. It also held reserves back in many cases. It did absolutely NOT just charge everyone into melee, ever. It kept cannons where they were set up, as long as targets were in range. It did however, occasionally go on insane cavalry charges, mostly when I left Cannon in the front row, but again not even in the majority of cases.

When I finally got up the nerve to make a foray into the Paris area (with a 20 unit rougly 3000 men strong army), it came out to meet me in the field. I won (just)but lost around 60% of my army (this on Medium battle too). When another 3/4 stack approached from the other side of Paris, I had no option but to flee and flee all the way back to my fortress in Brittany.

The campaign strategy is also a lot tougher than e.g. RTW, or EB. Only 1 global tax rate (split into 2- One for Rich, One for Poor), makes keeping order tougher. There are many nice little touches and additions, far too many to list here, and anyway this isn't a review.;)

I just wanted to post this, because if I'd read Darth's review before deciding whether to buy or not, then I probably wouldn't have got the game. It's by no means anywhere near perefct, and yes the ai is still lacking, but overall a very decent game, in the opinion of someone who's pretty hard to please.