Mafia IX: Triumph of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

Uni started and first few weeks is going to be hell in terms of time availability
Yesterday: I got back at 8. I had to sleep early, so I made quick posts in thread and went to sleep.

Today: I left home at 7 (Woke up at 5:30).. Had to prepare and leave so I didn't have time to post in the morning.
Got back home passed 9 PM (1 hour ago) And leaving in few minutes.

I'm off to Tokyo again tomorrow to check my new house as I have a day off.
But I should have time tomorrow.

No internet on the 4th and 5th.

This is all on Japanese time.

Vote: Beefy

For now. Soon as I get back from shower, I will read through the posts and post again.

Sorry for being inactive.

[pevergreen]

Vote: Beefy

Pointless vote, attempting to look innocent.

Kojiro187 is my guess for the mafia team.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: subotan ; vote: methos
ATPG's case is way better than mine.

[Beefy187]

Pointless vote, attempting to look innocent.

Kojiro187 is my guess for the mafia team.

If the day phase ends while I'm taking a shower, then someone inactive is going to die.
If not. I'll be back and will make a vote after I read all the posts

[Beefy187]

Okay here is what Beefy has been up to this game (Not a lot)

My theme of play in Shadow Fort and Mafia was "Acting" like a townie.
I didn't follow my usual townie pattern, nor did I try to blend in the crowd like my usual mafia.
I played boarder line innocent/ scummy and I've had reasonable success in this game

Day 1, I followed Khaans incredibly random bandwagon. So I can get some scum scent on me.
I also had the feeling that Khaan was innocent for doing it and maybe Diamondeyes is guilty.

Then I turned on him just incase his trying to be a ballsey mafia. If his townie, he can still contribute.

After that, I've been swimming under the radar. Though missing out on votes was accidental except the one on the previous round.
pever Tincow tie. They both looked innocent to me for the reason I cannot quite put in logical wording.

I've been suspicious of Pizza since our little battle on thread. But pizza assured me that his analysis is coming up and I agreed not to turn on him until later rounds.

My top suspects is Woads and Thermal. But then again, both of them always looks scummy to me. Then pizza. I say the mafia is one or two of them.
So I'll be voting for them if I survive.

Vote: Methos for this round to support pizzas analysis.
But they'll be the ones I'll vote for in the next round.

[Methos]

Sure, because two innocent people didn't already vote for themselves this game.

Nice OMGUS by the way. Feeling a little silly you didn't kill me last night?

Apparently you have a short memory, as I voted for you yesterday too. Besides, if I was mafia, I'd have killed you the first night. Speaking of that, didn't I do that before? ..... The butler game, I believe.

[Methos]

So that's how you play the game. You make up 'analysis' and promote your argument in such a way that it sounds good and then everyone else follows you, since it 'makes sense'. What I find hilarious is that when your analysis is wrong, no one does anything about it.

After you all lynch me, I would suggest everyone lynch Pizza. If I was mafia, I wouldn't have allowed ATPG to live this long.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What did I Hos methos for?

He is certainly scummy, especially with those "if I was mafia, I would have...". I have his baseline as pretty high on the scummy though. Ibn is a good suspect, but I don't see why you discount W&F.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Vote: Methos

[woad&fangs]

Methos' last post reeks of scumminess to me. I am very happy with my vote this round.

[Methos]

I find it hilarious that my 'last post' reeks of scumminess. How many times have I seen people post how ATPG's analysis is typically wrong and he ends up killing off innocents, yet none of these people bother to lynch ATPG because of it? It just seems odd. Heck, all ATPG has to do when he's mafia is continue playing like he normally does and kill off innocents and then reply, 'whoops, I guess I was wrong' and everyone ignores his error and follows his next tainted line of reasoning.

Yes, I'm not defending myself, but honestly, I don't think it matters. So instead I'm just going to point out how stupid you all are for continuously following his failed analysis while ignoring him when he's constantly wrong. Have you all ever considered that if you started putting pressure on ATPG when he's wrong, or lynching him because of it, then maybe he might start putting more thought into making his analysis correct? Right now he has no reason to, as he knows that you all won't do anything about it.

This is rather amusing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I predict that Sasaki will kill me for voting his friend Methos.



I'd like to revise the above. Check out Sasaki and Methos' antics at the end of the shlin28 lynch day. Hand of suspicion on Methos? Sure, but not like you'd actually try to kill him.

Methos votes for Sasaki before the deadline when it is clear that Sasaki won't actually be lynched for it.

Maybe because it's of personal interest to me, but this is where pizza's analysis falls apart, and questions start to appear.

1) the prediction makes no sense, revenge killing is not a strategy generally employed
2) I've attacked many people this game
3) Voting when it's clear I'm not going to be lynched doesn't do anything

Methos is moderately scummy, although I don't know that either of your cases had that much juicy stuff.

But pizza, can you tell us why you decided to do a bigger analysis this game?

Your saving grace is that you pulled this out this round instead of next round, when pushing two mislynches would give a two man team the win.

But the weak attack on me sounds like you predicting I'll jump on you, and you want to stave it off with "I told you he was methos's partner". You can say that's still happening, but the proof is in the pudding so to speak (your post that I quoted).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

blerg, I desperately need more time to reread everyone's posts. I've basically been reading through the new posts in a day, then voting and disappearing until the next day phase. I admit this isn't the most helpful thing to the town. vote: subotan because he has been really quiet... I think.

Sasaki, would you mind saying why you find me scummy?

unvote: subotan ; vote: methos
ATPG's case is way better than mine.

Methos' last post reeks of scumminess to me. I am very happy with my vote this round.

Mafia are much more likely to post excuses for inactivity--townies are often lurking just because they don't care/don't have time for it, and aren't going to be bothered to give an explanation.

Vote for methos is a bandwagon that also pretends he ever had a case on subo.

Third post sounds like he realized his vote post was weak, and wanted to bolster it with some conviction.

[woad&fangs]

1. True, but I'm not mafia
2. Yes
3. Yes

[Renata]

"This is so amusing" is the clarion call of the bandwagoned mafia, you know, Methos.

[Methos]

"This is so amusing" is the clarion call of the bandwagoned mafia, you know, Methos.

Don't you agree though? It seems weak to me, yet I know my reasons (or lack of) for what I've done. What's funny is the Sasaki vote. It was a runaway wagon on somebody, so I knew if I voted for that individual I'd appear as scummy, yet I also had to vote due to the rules. So I chose someone else and its used as evidence for my scumminess. I don't wish to be killed off in this game, but I'm fairly sure I'm going to be.

Unvote: ATPG; Vote: Woad&Frogs

Since you all don't seem to question ATPG's motives, then why not question mine? Ask me something and I'll try and answer.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hello everyone from Union Station, where I'm sitting and waiting for my indefinitely delayed train to arrive... again. Unless a miracle happens, I can't see this round ending on time, so feel free to keep voting until I explicitly end things. Thanks for your understanding.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to call BS on pizza's whole case. There is no way you can be genuinely convinced that Methos is mafia and then put forth ibn as his partner, discard that for me as his partner (based on me hos'ing him and methos voting me when it didn't matter) and disregard methos's unvote round one that saved Renata. Especially when pizza's case starts with vote analysis.

Pizza says he was intending to post the case tomorrow (much better timing for a fake mafia case--especially one that explicitly has two targets, given that two mislynches wins), but he chose today instead. I believe W&F and beefy were the only people under pressure at that point. They have both been scummy.

It seems like W&F is the viable lynch for today though.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

and then put forth ibn as his partner

Meh.. Whose partner am I?
I always thought that I'm townie. At least GH sent me that role.

[Subotan]

Vote:sasaki
Looking at ATPG's analysis, i'm pretty convinced that methos is a mafioso and that he will be lynched this turn. however, I fail to see the case for w&f, and sasaki's continued support for his death looks like a desperate attempt to save a scum buddy. I don't expect sasaki to be lynched, but I want to register something stronger than a fos.

[Thermal]

Hmmm

I thought I should say I had my first dream about this game (I never usually dream about this ) and the mafia were:

Sasaki
Captain Blackadder


Should this mean anything?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Should this mean anything?

This means only one thing .. you play mafia games too much!

[Thermal]

This means only one thing .. you play mafia games too much!

I know

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to call BS on pizza's whole case. There is no way you can be genuinely convinced that Methos is mafia and then put forth ibn as his partner, discard that for me as his partner (based on me hos'ing him and methos voting me when it didn't matter) and disregard methos's unvote round one that saved Renata. Especially when pizza's case starts with vote analysis

I'm not sure either I made myself clear, or if you read my case. Actually I was putting forth that Ibn (for example) would be unlikely to be certain people's partners. I wasn't in fact implying that he was Methos' partner. In fact I find them unlikely to be partners based on a deadly vote one of them did on the other, which didn't end up killing them. I have it written down in my notes.

Pizza says he was intending to post the case tomorrow (much better timing for a fake mafia case--especially one that explicitly has two targets, given that two mislynches wins), but he chose today instead. I believe W&F and beefy were the only people under pressure at that point. They have both been scummy.

Actually the reason I pushed the case up to today was because of the total lack of direction this round. Halfway through the round there was a max of two votes on any candidate. If you want a guaranteed townie death, that's how you accomplish it. And yeah, I feel there is more margin for error here, should I be wrong. I would not want to be solely responsible for dooming the game with a bad case.

Tomorrow and the next day you can ignore me for all I care. I can at least say I tried.

I have been waiting all game for suspects to dwindle enough to take a stab at analysis, following other's suspects unquestioningly pretty much all game long. You don't have to listen to me, you don't have to follow me. I am asking for precisely one lynch that goes the way I ask. I've agreed to be lynched for my failure before the game ends, which would be next round given the fact that there'd only be two lynches remaining. That's a bad lynch, but you guys should have lynched me earlier when my head was closer to the block. Tincow and pever might still be with us. So, not my fault.

It seems like W&F is the viable lynch for today though.

He could very well be guilty. I could be dead wrong on everything. I just want my one shot at actually picking a scumbag from the lineup before I go, since the mafia have been so kind as to leave me alive.

Apologies if you guys are innocent. But it's not like you haven't had your chance to pick a scum this game, Sasaki.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd also like to reiterate that Methos has voted you a couple times, and you pointed a hand of suspicion on him. Why is he such a bad candidate? Why must woad die this round? You can get him next round. According to your own words, Methos has been suspicious. According to Methos, you should have been lynched at one point.

Your prerogative to change your mind. All I can say is, nice timing. I'm glad you "see the light" now that he's actually going to die.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I see, the ibn part isn't very coherent, I skipped to the end where it looked like you had him as methos's partner. But your link of me and methos is terrible pizza.

I'm not so worried about you bringing out a double mislynch which was my impression.

Methos is a good lynch, but we should lynch W&F the next round. Further examination is bad because we want the mafia to kill suspects.

Actually we should check out Renata for the Methos connection. There interaction today is sketchy, they should be reread.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'd also like to reiterate that Methos has voted you a couple times, and you pointed a hand of suspicion on him. Why is he such a bad candidate? Why must woad die this round? You can get him next round. According to your own words, Methos has been suspicious. According to Methos, you should have been lynched at one point.

My suspicion of you was based on a misread of your post I'm afraid. Although I still do not see why you ignore the Renata connection.

You describe our interaction but do not say why it is scummy.

Your prerogative to change your mind. All I can say is, nice timing. I'm glad you "see the light" now that he's actually going to die.

What does this mean?

[Askthepizzaguy]

My suspicion of you was based on a misread of your post I'm afraid. Although I still do not see why you ignore the Renata connection.

You describe our interaction but do not say why it is scummy.

It's disingenuous. You've both pointed fingers at each other, but on round 2 where it was Methos 4 votes and Chaotix 5 votes, where was your vote? On Chaotix. Methos votes you round one. Nothing. You take your votes off of shlin28 and stick a hand of suspicion on Methos, when you could have, should have, voted for him. Methos votes for you, one vote, near the end of the round.

This is nothing more than distancing tactics. You've never seriously tried to kill each other, but you've made a big show of thinking each other is scummy.

Here, one of the people who has been voting for you several times (scummily, and disingenuously) is on the block, and all of a sudden woad has to die. Come now, Sasaki. Why the hesitation? You wanted people to blindly wagon woad based on zero case. I laid out a case where one of your suspects, supposedly, is scum and must die, and you voted for someone else and prodded for a wagon on that guy.

You may have legitimate reasons for all of these coincidences, but from where I sit, with my limited knowledge, you or he, or both, are full of it.

What does this mean?

You suddenly think woad is scummier than Methos, and you never suggested such until this round, to my knowledge, and not until I voted for Methos. And then, you seemed ever so casual when calling for a bandwagon to beat the two votes on Methos.

If he's one of your suspects, you should be helping to kill him. Offering another suspect is fine, I expect that. But you seem almost uncharacteristically panicky that Methos is going down, and woad has to die this round, as if it made a difference. It doesn't.

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Atpg

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I said woad had to die because I thought you were mafia framing methos (because I misread your post). If the town believed you in that scenario it would be a very bad thing. This is what I said before I had my worries about you:

He is certainly scummy, especially with those "if I was mafia, I would have...". I have his baseline as pretty high on the scummy though. Ibn is a good suspect, but I don't see why you discount W&F.

I pointed a few fingers at methos, but it wasn't a big suspicion. What was HoS about? As as said pizza. You find a connection between me and almost everyone--I've attacked many people and backed off.

Distancing doesn't make sense as a strategy in this game. No reveals upon death, remember? And if you say you think your partner is scummy, he can easily get lynched, and then you have to explain why you aren't voting him later.