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    Quote Originally Posted by woad&fangs View Post
    What are your opinions on Pizza and Renata?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun View Post
    You are just as good lynch candidate as the rest of us.
    Perhaps even better than anyone else.
    Why? The reason you gave was "makes me wonder if I should go with rule #1", yes?
    You saying ".. I may have to push that if no one thinks woad is scummy.." makes you look even scummier.

    FoS: Sasaki
    Why? If people aren't voting for the person I think is most likely to be mafia, I shouldn't try to get them to vote for the 2nd most likely? Although I should reread thermal.

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    Perhaps allowing people to vote as they want and not pushing them to vote the way you want will make you look not like a mafia who tries to control the game?

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    Sigurd: 4 (Beskar, ATPG, Subotan, Methos)
    Ibn-Khaldun: 4 (Psychonaut, woad, Sasaki, TinCow)

    Based on this, if ibn is mafia it would seem like subo is the likely partner. This was subo's vote in the tie breaker, odd:

    Quote Originally Posted by subotan

    Inky Pinky Ponky, Daddy bought a donkey. Donkey died, daddy cried. Inky Pinky Ponky!

    Vote:Sigurd
    But at one point the voting was like this:

    Sigurd (Beskar, Atpg, Subotan)
    Sasaki (TM, Joooray)
    Ibn (Psycho, w&f)

    Reading over it looks like subo voted sigurd before any votes were on ibn. So if ibn is mafia, it went to a tie without any mafia voting to save him, and with three living players on the ibn wagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Thermal is certainly an acceptable lynch. Psycho is not a great one.

    Ibn would be a good lynch as well, I may have to push that if no one thinks woad is scummy.

    I should really reread :/
    As W& F asks what are your opinions are Renata and ATPG?

    Also why isn't psychonaut a great lynch?

    Why do you say you don't find me suspicious in one breath, then say I'm a good choice in the next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun View Post
    Perhaps allowing people to vote as they want and not pushing them to vote the way you want will make you look not like a mafia who tries to control the game?
    Perhaps allowing me to argue as I want and not pushing me to argue the way you want will yadda yadda.

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    shlin28: 3 (ATPG, Blackadder, shlin)
    Methos: 2 (Psychonaut, Ibn)
    Thermal Mercury: 2 (woad, Joooray)
    Subotan: 2 (Sasaki, TinCow)

    This looks like another interesting day to me and worth a reread. It seems like people were ok with thermal and subotan being at the mercy of shlin's self vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Sigurd: 4 (Beskar, ATPG, Subotan, Methos)
    Ibn-Khaldun: 4 (Psychonaut, woad, Sasaki, TinCow)

    Based on this, if ibn is mafia it would seem like subo is the likely partner. This was subo's vote in the tie breaker, odd:



    But at one point the voting was like this:

    Sigurd (Beskar, Atpg, Subotan)
    Sasaki (TM, Joooray)
    Ibn (Psycho, w&f)

    Reading over it looks like subo voted sigurd before any votes were on ibn. So if ibn is mafia, it went to a tie without any mafia voting to save him, and with three living players on the ibn wagon.
    Interesting....and entirely feasible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury View Post
    Why do you say you don't find me suspicious in one breath, then say I'm a good choice in the next?
    Plausible townie bluff, keeps mafia on their toes because they cannot be certain if that townie truly suspects them or not, possibly keeps townie alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secura View Post
    Plausible townie bluff, keeps mafia on their toes because they cannot be certain if that townie truly suspects them or not, possibly keeps townie alive.
    Well two townies are going to die anyway, an attempt to direct who dies?

    Also ATPG's handy vote thingy.

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...vsruTFfQ&hl=en
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury View Post
    Well two townies are going to die anyway, an attempt to direct who dies?
    That suggests that you openly suspect Sasaki then, correct?

    Personally I think he's been suspect the entire game, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum, it's simply an inherent aspect of his playing style... but why hasn't he been lynched by now? Why has the town chosen to lynch others for what has been, in all honesty, absolutely awful reasoning and left someone like Sasaki alive? Or Pizza, for that matter?
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    Day 5 was the day I hos'd methos for his terrible bandwagon vote on shlin. Maybe we struck paydirt with that lynch.

    The wagon on shlin was pretty strong for a while though and looked like it would continue. So I don't think what I said about those guys with 2 votes looking good holds up.

    Subotan seems to have avidly avoided bandwagons from the few days I've reread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan View Post
    Of course its suspicious to avoid bandwagons. Mafia know that bandwaggoners tend to be lynched. Thus, the better tell of a mafioso is who's been doing their best to avoid bandwagons. Sadly, there's about three others who've been up to the same nonsense. Your posting seemed a bit more suspicious than the others, so you're the one I find most suspicious at the moment.

    Although its entirely reasonable to lynch Psychonaut right now, I think TM is a better choice. I think that the lynching of Psychonaut is just... I dunno, I'll find the right phrasing for it eventually.
    Well this comes down to gameplay too, I don't have a record of bandwagonning as a townie (though this game could easily be an exception yadda yadda). What are the other 3 people up to this 'nonsense'? The only nonsense I see is voting for someone because that seems like the cool thing to do, also if bandwagonning makes you such a target then any townie doing it is scummy, so it works both ways.

    With the whole Ibn-subotan connection Sasaki uncovered I may change my vote, but if you think I'm a better choice (and you have for a while now) then I can't change your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secura View Post
    That suggests that you openly suspect Sasaki then, correct?

    Personally I think he's been suspect the entire game, but that doesn't necessarily make him scum, it's simply an inherent aspect of his playing style... but why hasn't he been lynched by now? Why has the town chosen to lynch others for what has been, in all honesty, absolutely awful reasoning and left someone like Sasaki alive? Or Pizza, for that matter?
    1: There controversial, mafia wouldn't kill them, I think people just assume these guys can't keep getting the power roles

    2: Other than my dream Sasaki hasn't done anything to scummy from what I can remember

    3: ATPG kind of has, but still, not my choice, I've voted for each of them once myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Day 5 was the day I hos'd methos for his terrible bandwagon vote on shlin. Maybe we struck paydirt with that lynch.

    The wagon on shlin was pretty strong for a while though and looked like it would continue. So I don't think what I said about those guys with 2 votes looking good holds up.

    Subotan seems to have avidly avoided bandwagons from the few days I've reread.
    Indeed.

    Stop looking for partners to each potential mafioso, its not going to get us anywhere. Better to look at general voting patterns and context.
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    And remember that people who were lynched could be mafiosi. You pretty much started the wagon on thermal.

    Subo is one of my top suspects now I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury View Post
    Well this comes down to gameplay too, I don't have a record of bandwagonning as a townie (though this game could easily be an exception yadda yadda). What are the other 3 people up to this 'nonsense'? The only nonsense I see is voting for someone because that seems like the cool thing to do, also if bandwagonning makes you such a target then any townie doing it is scummy, so it works both ways.

    With the whole Ibn-subotan connection Sasaki uncovered I may change my vote, but if you think I'm a better choice (and you have for a while now) then I can't change your mind.
    You've certainly played enough to know that excess bandwagons get you lynched sooner or later, so the common sense thing to do is mostly avoid them. The others I noted are suspicious as well, but 4 way lynches aren't really allowed, so I went over the thread and tried to figure which of you was most suspicious. I think its you.

    And actually, the original bandwagon I made against you was entirely random- this accusation is not.
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    unvote, vote: Subo

    This is the best lynch for today I think. I haven't reread fully but:

    1) He often says things that have no relation to his vote.
    2) He seems to either bandwagon or avoid the wagons
    3) I accused him early on and we had an argument about what strategy was best for town, a subject on which he had many clear and concise opinions. But this is not reflected in his play, which is not pro town
    4) His tone in a lot of posts reminds me of how he sounded when I was questioning him about reenk in shadow fort.

    If I have time, I'll reread and pull up some posts for examples.

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    Here's some examples subo talking about pro town play and strategy:

    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    I agree. Voting data is useful in games where we can get confirmations about the lynchee's guilt, but in a game such as this where the mafia have way more information than we do, the mafia are able to hide in the voting records with ease.
    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Hm, looking back on it, it's not great English. My bad.

    What I'm saying is, you're gathering all the information about who is acting scummy, identifying potential mafiosi, then discarding it and voting for somebody totally random. In addition to myself, you laid the first vote and started bandwagons upon Shlin, Secura and Ibn; and that's just this round. This scattergun approach isn't productive for us at all, as we end up accusing townies who then have to explain why your random vote is stupid, whilst the mafiosi either lurk their way to victory or hide behind wild accusations disguised as "debate".
    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    If you are looking, then it would be helpful if you could state "I do not think X is mafia because of Y", rather than just leaving it hanging. We have no idea whether you still have suspicions about any of the players you have accused, and as there are no pro-town roles, you have to play a game like this in out in the open.
    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki
    So when you do that, it really says nothing about you being townie. What it does do is convince some people that you are innocent--without good reason. Which makes it very appealing for mafia to try.
    So why do you believe Jolt in Shadow Fort then?
    Here's some examples of subotan's votes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Vote:Khaan
    Best possible lynch. Judging from all the infomation available to us at this time, Khaan looks like the most likely to be scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Well I guess if your death will not be a loss, then there's no point in wasting a lynch on you. Let's find some innocent to lynch instead [/sarc]

    Vote:Sigurd
    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Inky Pinky Ponky, Daddy bought a donkey. Donkey died, daddy cried. Inky Pinky Ponky!

    Vote:Sigurd
    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan
    Vote:Reenk Roink

    You're being wayyyy too quiet, given your reputation for backtalking and snarky comments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Us noble bodyguards have to stick together

    Unvote: Reenk Roink; Vote PEVERGREEN

    Choo choo





    So a summary of his play divides his posts into:

    1) numerous light comments that aren't about the game "Superb " in response to write up, "I make good pancakes", "My delicious pancakes are far tastier than your foul rotten stink-cake. ", "No! Who will make TinCow pancakes just the way he likes them now?" talking about scrubs, etc
    2) Some in depth talk about what the best way to play is, clear reasoned thinking
    3) votes for no reason, huge contrast with his talk about strategy

    I also think he fits the profile of someone who would casually frame someone via write up and make the kill choices made (gut feel).

    Finally:

    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Vote:sasaki
    Looking at ATPG's analysis, i'm pretty convinced that methos is a mafioso and that he will be lynched this turn. however, I fail to see the case for w&f, and sasaki's continued support for his death looks like a desperate attempt to save a scum buddy. I don't expect sasaki to be lynched, but I want to register something stronger than a fos.
    Yesterday he appears to have read through pizza's huge posts, and has analysis for his vote. Why hasn't he been doing this the other days? And why on earth does he follow it up today with this bandwagon vote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Vote:ThermalMercury
    Anything to irritate dear Sasaki after the Shadow Fort fiasco
    When yesterday he went out of his way to vote me "wanting to register something stronger than an fos"??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Pizza, why on earth did you act like you were going to try and lynch me today, and then come out and vote psychonaut, and then switch to thermal?
    Switched to Thermal because Khaan wants him dead. I honestly believed you were mafia yesterday. You could very well be mafia now. But, if my analysis of Methos was inaccurate (As GH's writeup seemed to hint... ) then I don't know what to believe. Besides, you've played a great game if you were indeed mafia. The only thing I really thought was scum was your hesitation on Methos (and possibly, giving me a pass all game. Unusual for you, Sasaki.)

    Psychonaut on the other hand, was exhibiting clear signs of self-consciousness in his posts. He seems nervous as anything. And Thermal, I agree, is probably scum. So with Khaan accusing him, I'm all for it. I believe Khaan is innocent, and his analysis meshes with mine.

    There's also the fact that if I telegraph my moves to the mafia, it makes it easier for them to determine if I'll be an asset to them or not in the upcoming rounds.
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    Seems like a solid enough case to me.

    unvote, vote: Subotan
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    Other than the Ibn saving vote (which had no logical reasoning behind it)

    His vote for me to annoy you is fairly symbolic too, he votes for me over you because he knows I already have votes and could be killed fairly easily, whereas Sasaki has no votes, if Subotan is mafia he hardly wants to drag end game out with random votes does he?

    Also him agreeing with relying on voting data suggests hes trying his hardest to vote away from a mafia like pattern, which makes sense all in all.

    Besides, I'm not feeling much on psychonaut anymore, yes hes nervous hence the first vote, but the info dug up makes him lower on the priority list for me.


    vote: subotan

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    Yaseikhaan admits going onto bandwagons gets you lynched, if you read his last response to me my reasoning is justified and he pretty much understands it, I think its more or less turned into a grudge or maybe intuition, rather than solid evidence but still (not that I'm saying intuition is a bad thing, I just don't think its the best way forward). The only thing that has held up is that he says my posts are more suspicious than others, well unfortunately I'm going to have to pull off another suspicious comment, I always get accused of that!

    Should we get the privilege of subotan being revealed as guilty, do you still suspect me? Either of you?

    P.S. Notice I am now bandwagonning, I do hope Yaseikhaan is happy.

    Side note: Yaseikhaan, first vote against me wasn't random, you said something to the effect of 'I was being to courteous'
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    Your certainly not incorrect about Subotan, Sasaki. Like.... oh, about 7 or 8 of the rest of the players, he's a decent enough choice for a lynch. Hope you're right...

    edit: the "too courteous" was pretty much something I made up.
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    Awfully paranoid, Thermal.
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    First, I would like to inform everyone that I am using an iPhone to make these posts, so my ability to reply is limited. This is also responsible for some of my more inane comments, especially over the past few days, as I've been at my grandmother's house, and she lacks Internet access, so I've had to resort to short posts on the iPhone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Subotan seems to have avidly avoided bandwagons from the few days I've reread.
    That will be for two reasons. Either I think the bandwagon is stupid, or I feel that I can express my disapproval with certain posters with something a bit more severe than an FOS when my vote will have no impact on the name of the lynchee.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    1) He often says things that have no relation to his vote.
    2) He seems to either bandwagon or avoid the wagons
    3) I accused him early on and we had an argument about what strategy was best for town, a subject on which he had many clear and concise opinions. But this is not reflected in his play, which is not pro town
    4) His tone in a lot of posts reminds me of how he sounded when I was questioning him about reenk in shadow fort.

    If I have time, I'll reread and pull up some posts for examples.
    1. This is a crime? Loads of other townies do this.
    2. Aren't all votes one or the other?
    3. There's no such thing as pro-town play in a game where there are no reveals. If I speak as an impartial third party, for all I know your seemingly pro-town analysis could be a dirty trickby mafioso. However, when I have something to say that's constructive, I'll say it. Occasional good analysis is better than constant bad analysis
    4. That's how I play mafia. I was like that in PSM, all the SVS games etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    1) numerous light comments that aren't about the game "Superb " in response to write up, "I make good pancakes", "My delicious pancakes are far tastier than your foul rotten stink-cake. ", "No! Who will make TinCow pancakes just the way he likes them now?" talking about scrubs, etc
    2) Some in depth talk about what the best way to play is, clear reasoned thinking
    3) votes for no reason, huge contrast with his talk about strategy

    I also think he fits the profile of someone who would casually frame someone via write up and make the kill choices made (gut feel).

    Finally:



    Yesterday he appears to have read through pizza's huge posts, and has analysis for his vote. Why hasn't he been doing this the other days? And why on earth does he follow it up today with this bandwagon vote:



    When yesterday he went out of his way to vote me "wanting to register something stronger than an fos"??
    The above points you made would apply to most of us here.

    And you know what I think about your gut

    And as I said above, my ability to post my analysis has been limited as of late(although I am obviously conducting my own privately). I shall be home and back at my desktop by Monday evening though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan View Post
    Awfully paranoid, Thermal.


    Had I of not made way for saying certain things you'd all be going I'm super scummy, I can't win...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury View Post
    Other than the Ibn saving vote (which had no logical reasoning behind it)

    His vote for me to annoy you is fairly symbolic too, he votes for me over you because he knows I already have votes and could be killed fairly easily, whereas Sasaki has no votes, if Subotan is mafia he hardly wants to drag end game out with random votes does he?

    Also him agreeing with relying on voting data suggests hes trying his hardest to vote away from a mafia like pattern, which makes sense all in all.
    :
    I voted for Sigurd as I still though that he was suspicious from the previous round. The fact that I saved Ibn As well as Sasaki I might add is due to unlucky timing more than anything else.

    So I'm guilty because I bandwagon And because I don't bandwagon?
    I voted for you because I think you have been more consistently suspicious and therefore more likely to be scum than either Psycho or woad. Simples.

    And if you had actually read what I'd said, you would find that I was in fact arguing for the complete opposite, that voting analysis cannot be relied upon in a game where there are no reveals. Come to think of it, in addition to trying to frame me like that, you were actually the one who brought up the analysis in the first place! How can you claim that my support of voting analysis (which is wrong) is scummy when you are the original analyser!?

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    In matter of fact i think Subotan is making a case here. Also the killing Method of mafia seems awfully consistent and systematical. There isnt anything irregular about it. People die the second it comes propable that they are innocent. Me thinks that the random Org has finally hit Sasaki. Unvote and vote: Sasaki Kojiro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    First, I would like to inform everyone that I am using an iPhone to make these posts, so my ability to reply is limited. This is also responsible for some of my more inane comments, especially over the past few days, as I've been at my grandmother's house, and she lacks Internet access, so I've had to resort to short posts on the iPhone.
    This is probably a cheap shot, but it seems like this game is awfully meaningful to you if you're checking up on it using your iPhone several times over the past few days.

    While I believe an innocent townie might do that, I also believe a mafioso would be 100% likely to follow the game closely even in inconvenient situations, because you are especially invested in the outcome.
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    It's my dad's iPhone so I haven't had a huge amount of time to check up on it. Besides, although staying in a big dusty house can get boring, it's still frustrating tintype on this bloody thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    I voted for Sigurd as I still though that he was suspicious from the previous round. The fact that I saved Ibn As well as Sasaki I might add is due to unlucky timing more than anything else.

    So I'm guilty because I bandwagon And because I don't bandwagon?
    I voted for you because I think you have been more consistently suspicious and therefore more likely to be scum than either Psycho or woad. Simples.

    And if you had actually read what I'd said, you would find that I was in fact arguing for the complete opposite, that voting analysis cannot be relied upon in a game where there are no reveals. Come to think of it, in addition to trying to frame me like that, you were actually the one who brought up the analysis in the first place! How can you claim that my support of voting analysis (which is wrong) is scummy when you are the original analyser!?
    Your vote for sigurd was backed up with inky pinky ponky, and your vote for me backed up with 'to get at sasaki' its amazing how your reasoning for votes change when you want them to.

    It could be unlucky timing, then again, it could not...

    I never said you were guilty for not bandwagonning/bandwagonning, I get the same questions hurled at me from yaseikhaan. But your analysis to no analysis is suspicious, if you really do find me so suspicious you would have put a reason like you did last round, instead you vote with no almost no logical explanation and wonder why it gets pointed out.

    Notice that the two you mention have half or less posts than me, you see my posts more often so I bound to say something a tad surprising or scummy here and there, those that only say select words have less to worry about in that regard.

    Sorry for not reading the whole 1000+ post thread If you were arguing against it then why do you say that ATPG is entirely right and voting data is so useful? All your doing here is contradicting yourself, unless of course that quote is forged, it was posted by Sasaki, so I go from what I see. It's not framing, its reading your posts (which you point out I haven't done enough of ) the amount of time your spending on this game is surprising for some townie, will plausably excuses like typing on the iphone to hopefully conceal any potential questioning of your posts. I'm not questioning that your on an Iphone, but it still gives you something to blame, ATPG's point of this game meaning a lot to you ties in with that too.

    If I did bring up the relying on voting pattern first (I can't remember if I did) then its because at the time it seemed like a good idea, still kind of does, I pointed it out as a case against you specifically because your votes seem erratic and low key. Talking about the voting pattern being a good idea is no crime, its whether your own voting pattern resembles a criminal offense or not.



    I'll probably find lots of loopholes in that but still
    Last edited by Thermal; 04-04-2010 at 23:05.

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    Subo, the whole point is that you have lots of energy (iphone or no) to spend defending yourself and talking at length about what makes a good vote. But your actual votes are totally vacuous, leaving nothing that can be argued with because you are "just joking around". That's very out of sync with your strategy/gameplay analysis posts which only appear when you are accused.

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