Entertain a couple more newbie questions

[Teucer]

As I understand it, KH was designed so that 'type II' government was basically just as useful as 'type I'. To answer your question, no, I don't think there are any factional units that require the final MIC upgrade other than the Spartiatai and those really big siege guns (which are so expensive, I never even bother with them). I think they did it that way so that players would not be forced to construct Spartan-style governments in places where it made no sense. On the other hand, you can probably interpret the Agoge style government to mean a generic, military oligarchy. In this case, it would make sense to construct it in places with strong martial traditions, and weak histories of democratic rule (like Makedon, or Krete).

[Ludens]

As I understand it, KH was designed so that 'type II' government was basically just as useful as 'type I'.

Specifically: for the KH type I and II do not represent "homeland" and "expansion", but "homeland - agoge" and "homeland - other". Type II does not represent "homeland - democracy" as many people assume: popular tyrannies and the like are also type II.

On the other hand, you can probably interpret the Agoge style government to mean a generic, military oligarchy. In this case, it would make sense to construct it in places with strong martial traditions, and weak histories of democratic rule (like Makedon, or Krete).

Military oligarchies are not the same as the Agoge. The Agoge represents a dramatic militarization of society. The KH type I government can be instituted in those provinces that already had some elements of the agoge in place (communal barracks in Crete, a helot-like underclass in Thessaly and Byzantion). I am less sure why Athens, Taras and Thermon were made homeland provinces, though.

[WinsingtonIII]

Military oligarchies are not the same as the Agoge. The Agoge represents a dramatic militarization of society. The KH type I government can be instituted in those provinces that already had some elements of the agoge in place (communal barracks in Crete, a helot-like underclass in Thessaly and Byzantion). I am less sure why Athens, Taras and Thermon were made homeland provinces, though.

I agree. Frankly, considering the status of the KH Type I and II governments as both being different forms of homeland governments, I'm unsure why they didn't just limit the Type I to the very few provinces that actually exhibited some aspects of the Agoge. As you said, having a Spartan Agoge in Athens or Thermon simply doesn't make much sense.

[bobbin]

I am less sure why Athens, Taras and Thermon were made homeland provinces, though.

I'm not sure about Athens and Thermon but Taras was a spartan colony so thats probably the reasoning behind its inclusion.