Black woman single cos the black men are in jail - would you marry outside your race?

[PanzerJaeger]

But the simplest way to help the black family would be to lock up fewer black men for non-violent offences.

I don't agree with the undercurrent of the article, which essentially follows the oft-repeated theme of blaming every one and every thing for black society's problems except for black people. The simplest way to help the black family would be for fewer black men to commit criminal offences. Oh, and to start acting like men, not dogs.

I believe PJ is using "dogs" here in its metaphorical sense, i.e. behaving in a self-serving manner and not setting aside personal interest in favor of family and committment. As such, it is not intended as a racist slur, but is a behavioral critique. SF

I live in a majority black city, and I must say that I am not at all impressed with American "black" culture as I have experienced it. As I believe Sasaki mentioned, though, it is about culture - not race. Many blacks do not live their lives in the way the article describes.

As for the OP's question... probably not.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It is (another) good argument against the war on drugs though.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Decision already made for me. Turns out I married another white Catholic like myself. Can't say as race figured into it so much as her being attracted to me did. Nineteen years together and I still can't believe I got that lucky.

Race? Race is a very small thing when you really think about it. Rather said it has marred so much of our history as a species.

Poll also lacks a: "couldn't care less one way or the other" option.

[pevergreen]

For some reason, I don't see attractiveness in other races. Don't see a lot of it in any girl/guy.

[Cute Wolf]

for some interesting and unknown factor, I always think that Chinese, Korean, or Vietnamese girls are much prettier than Japanese, even when most can't tell the difference between them..... maybe that was the result of watching too much JAV...

[Furunculus]

Poll also lacks a: "couldn't care less one way or the other" option.

i kind of intended for the for option to include that viewpoint, but seeing as you're the second person to point out the flaw in the phrasing of option (a) I would be happy for you to edit the poll to include a more specific "couldn't care less one way or the other" option.

[InsaneApache]

Funny really, I don't see 'mom' as black. She is of course but she's just 'mom' to me. It's worked out well for 'mom' and my dad. Two very different cultures but somehow they seem to dovetail together nicely. We treat her to yorkshire pudding and curries, traditional English foods and she treats us to jerk chicken and gumbo, traditional black American foods. She does have a very good sense of humour which helps. It took her some time to 'get' the English humour but now she has, she thinks it's hilarious. Plus she loves the UK, like she said she didn't have to learn a new language when she first moved over here, she just had to learn how to spell properly.

People are just people.

As for myself, I had a negro girlfriend when I was in my teens. Never really thought anything of it. If you fancy a bird you ask them out. If they say no, hard cheese, if yes, whoopee!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I voted for option four, not because I find non-white women unattractive, but because my ideal is the "English Rose", one of the most attractive things for me is alabaster skin, along with slightly flushed cheeks and full mouth, add dark hair and warm dark eyes and I'm likely to be poleaxed.

Having said that; I've met some real corkers from other locales.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Jerk chicken is more of a carribean specialty. Gumbo is Cajun.

[Strike For The South]

I don't agree with the undercurrent of the article, which essentially follows the oft-repeated theme of blaming every one and every thing for black society's problems except for black people. The simplest way to help the black family would be for fewer black men to commit criminal offences. Oh, and to start acting like men, not dogs.

I believe PJ is using "dogs" here in its metaphorical sense, i.e. behaving in a self-serving manner and not setting aside personal interest in favor of family and committment. As such, it is not intended as a racist slur, but is a behavioral critique. SF

I live in a majority black city, and I must say that I am not at all impressed with American "black" culture as I have experienced it. As I believe Sasaki mentioned, though, it is about culture - not race. Many blacks do not live their lives in the way the article describes.

As for the OP's question... probably not.

I feel sorry for you, not only do you live in hillbilly land you have to endure the crap they try to pass off as BBQ.

As per the original question I certianly find women of all races attractive and have certianly had much in common with said women, however as per my agreement with grandfather, I will end up marrying a "southern belle from plantation country who has been spoiled rotten by her daddy" which will become a sexless marrige about two weeks after the honeymoon. But hey I'll probably end up screwing my secratary and depending where I end she'll probably be black


If I were to tell you my real choice though it would be a cajun from the bayou. 1. Because that accent drives me nuts and 2. Because she'll be able to cook cajun food and that is my favorite kind.

She'll be catholic, does that count?

[Megas Methuselah]

would you marry outside your race?

Hell no, never. And I seem to attract native girls a lot more easily than others; I don't mind.

By the way, why are black men so likely to be in jail? Don't you think something is wrong with that? What the heck did you guys do to them?

Oh wait, here we go:

The simplest way to help the black family would be for fewer black men to commit criminal offences. Oh, and to start acting like men, not dogs.

Great, man, good for you. How?

[Banquo's Ghost]

There seems to be a general assumption that attraction is the main requisite for marriage. This may be, but is fraught with danger, in that marriage is a long term commitment and other attributes, less affected by the passage of time, are a more important consideration.

No one has touched on the issue of social pressure (although Strike did note his grandfather's preference ). In my world, which is implicitly racist, peer group expectations of marriage are very clearly set. Class used to be the absolute barrier (which made race a minor issue unlikely to be confronted) but race is most certainly now a major disqualifying attribute for all but the bravest or most eccentric. Whilst my sub-set is somewhat mediaevalist in its expectation, I think a similar attitude can be found in a number of cultural groups.

Being a bit of a traditionalist in family matters, I followed convention and expectations for my marriage, although outside my "normal" group but within my class (slightly above, in truth) and race. Recognising my own innate racism in this and other choices, I was simply not prepared to challenge existing boundaries and by so doing, inflict (a horrid word, but accurate in describing my feelings on the matter) a hereditary millstone around the necks of my descendants. Lady Ghost is rather attractive, but possesses much finer and lasting qualities that make her a perfect spouse in my world - and more important, enables her to feel happy in that world, and I in hers.

Marrying outside one's race and culture can be fraught with extra issues. These can often make the marriage strong and resilient, but only if properly recognised beforehand, I feel. As I noted, marriage is not the same as simple attraction or a dalliance based thereupon.

[Furunculus]

There seems to be a general assumption that attraction is the main requisite for marriage. This may be, but is fraught with danger, in that marriage is a long term commitment and other attributes, less affected by the passage of time, are a more important consideration.

No one has touched on the issue of social pressure (although Strike did note his grandfather's preference ). In my world, which is implicitly racist, peer group expectations of marriage are very clearly set. Class used to be the absolute barrier (which made race a minor issue unlikely to be confronted) but race is most certainly now a major disqualifying attribute for all but the bravest or most eccentric. Whilst my sub-set is somewhat mediaevalist in its expectation, I think a similar attitude can be found in a number of cultural groups.

Being a bit of a traditionalist in family matters, I followed convention and expectations for my marriage, although outside my "normal" group but within my class (slightly above, in truth) and race. Recognising my own innate racism in this and other choices, I was simply not prepared to challenge existing boundaries and by so doing, inflict (a horrid word, but accurate in describing my feelings on the matter) a hereditary millstone around the necks of my descendants. Lady Ghost is rather attractive, but possesses much finer and lasting qualities that make her a perfect spouse in my world - and more important, enables her to feel happy in that world, and I in hers.

Marrying outside one's race and culture can be fraught with extra issues. These can often make the marriage strong and resilient, but only if properly recognised beforehand, I feel. As I noted, marriage is not the same as simple attraction or a dalliance based thereupon.

the problem with the use of the word "marry" is the same problem as had with the simplicity of the first "yes" option; a simple poll does not provide enough depth to describe the totality of the question in hand.

Marry does not necessarily mean marriage, what it intends to imply is that you would be up for a greater relationship commitment than would be the case with a holiday-fling, and one that will involve your family and peer group.

Exotic does not necessarily mean you have a full blown fetish for every ethnic appearance that is extremely different from ones own, what it intends is to stand apart from the next "yes" option where there is residual bias even if it is not an overriding factor.

[Fragony]

Not the more exotic the better but there are gorgeous women to be found in any race, I wouldn't mind

[The Stranger]

ble...

[Husar]

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Marrying outside one's race and culture can be fraught with extra issues. These can often make the marriage strong and resilient, but only if properly recognised beforehand, I feel. As I noted, marriage is not the same as simple attraction or a dalliance based thereupon.

But isn't attraction or attractiveness just the cumulation of all these factors? You indirectly said yourself that the class and the qualities of your wife made her more attractive to you than others that may have been more appealing to the eye or so.
That's not to say you don't have a point there, with the high divorce rates nowadays, one would have to think a lot of people may simply set the wrong priorities.

[Furunculus]

I feel sorry for you, not only do you live in hillbilly land you have to endure the crap they try to pass off as BBQ.

As per the original question I certianly find women of all races attractive and have certianly had much in common with said women, however as per my agreement with grandfather, I will end up marrying a "southern belle from plantation country who has been spoiled rotten by her daddy" which will become a sexless marrige about two weeks after the honeymoon. But hey I'll probably end up screwing my secratary and depending where I end she'll probably be black


If I were to tell you my real choice though it would be a cajun from the bayou. 1. Because that accent drives me nuts and 2. Because she'll be able to cook cajun food and that is my favorite kind.

She'll be catholic, does that count?

Strike, are you REALLY that sensitive, i mean REALLY, are you?

Complaining over what PJ said is ridiculous, this is something of a sensitive topic but your PC hair-trigger will doing nothing but help to derail it.

Chill out d00d!

[PanzerJaeger]

I feel sorry for you, not only do you live in hillbilly land you have to endure the crap they try to pass off as BBQ.

Me too, I hate Memphis. Perennially in America's top 5 most dangerous cities and America's top 5 unhappiest cities! Don't know where you're getting your information about BBQ though. That's one thing the locals do very right.

Great, man, good for you. How?

I don't think I really need to explain how not to commit crimes and how to treat women with respect, do I? Common sense stuff, here.

Strike, are you REALLY that sensitive, i mean REALLY, are you?

Complaining over what PJ said is ridiculous, this is something of a sensitive topic but your PC hair-trigger will doing nothing but help to derail it.

Chill out d00d!

I didn't take his post as a complaint against mine - just a friendly jab at the city I live in.

[Strike For The South]

Strike, are you REALLY that sensitive, i mean REALLY, are you?
!

What are you talking about? I don't care what PJ said about marrige.

Me too, I hate Memphis. Perennially in America's top 5 most dangerous cities and America's top 5 unhappiest cities! Don't know where you're getting your information about BBQ though. That's one thing the locals do very right. :

I may not care how you feel about interacial marrige but just know BBQ is serious bidness and memphis is at best faux KC.

[caravel]

Have married "outside" my race already (over 5 years ago to be precise). The lovely 'Mrs Asai' is of South American origin.

[HoreTore]

The lovely 'Mrs Asai' is of South American origin.

So that would make her a white european then.

....And you are...?

[Strike For The South]

So that would make her a white european then.

....And you are...?

hmmmmmmmm, if she is upper class or from the Southern Cone you'd be right but considering a large portion of South Americans are Native, black, or mixed you're probably wrong

No way, sweetie-pie.

I'm not getting a divorce.

Que?

We can just enter a Gay polygamus marrige. Seeing as we're all consenting adults and we are not harming anyone elses liberty; I fail to see why that would be a problem.

[caravel]

So that would make her a white european then.

....And you are...?

Not sure I understand the question fully - it's very much open to interpretation (and I do have a tendency to be rather paranoid) so please do elaborate somewhat.

[Furunculus]

What are you talking about? I don't care what PJ said about marrige.
.

my apologies strike, i presumed (wrongly) that it was you that had caused PJ's comment to be edited (needlessly).

[Megas Methuselah]

I don't think I really need to explain how not to commit crimes and how to treat women with respect, do I? Common sense stuff, here.

When you grow up in a certain way of life, you'll emulate it. In that way, such things are intergenerational, and won't stop happening because you say it's wrong and that such things must stop.

Very nice solution you got there. "Common sense," yeah, that's right. I wonder why things like these are still goin on, then? Not everyone has the gift of living the sheltered life you enjoy.

but considering a large portion of South Americans are Native, black, or mixed you're probably wrong

Yeah, South America is a lot better off in that respect than the North, our "Little Europe."

[Strike For The South]

Yeah, South America is a lot better off in that respect than the North, our "Little Europe."

[Megas Methuselah]

Hey, there's nothin wrong with livin in a colonial society. You, above all people, know that.

[Strike For The South]

Hey, there's nothin wrong with livin in a colonial society. You, above all people, know that.

It must take work to be this bitter

[PanzerJaeger]

When you grow up in a certain way of life, you'll emulate it. In that way, such things are intergenerational, and won't stop happening because you say it's wrong and that such things must stop.

Very nice solution you got there. "Common sense," yeah, that's right. I wonder why things like these are still goin on, then? Not everyone has the gift of living the sheltered life you enjoy.

A time-honored excuse, which, unless you're trying to argue that these people are unaware of the laws of the land and of common decency, is not really an excuse at all.

[Strike For The South]

A time-honored excuse, which, unless you're trying to argue that these people are unaware of the laws of the land and of common decency, is not really an excuse at all.

There is a grain of truth to the statement though, however I agree that elements of the urban culture lead to this sort of thing and it's one of the reasons why Latinos are generally much more distrustworthy of blacks and see more in common with whites despite the fact that latins and blacks parllel eachothers exsistence in most cases.

What it comes down to is A strong emphasis on the family in the Latin community and the startiling abscence of one in the black community.