StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Niklas]

Night ends 00:00 Central Euopean time (GMT+1) 21st of April (25 hours from now)

Surely you mean 13 hours from now (or 12½ at the time of my post)?

You also got my vote wrong, not that it matters.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'm quite positive that at least one of the mafias was in the Belisarius's bandwagon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Well, it wasn't me!" said Askthepizzaguy, as he slinks back into the shadows.

[Andres]

Mmmm...

[TinCow]

I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.

I very strongly agree with this. I discourage anyone from accepting a role claim as proof of innocence, even a role claim with powers. Judge people on their behavior, not their identity.

[Greyblades]

Dang, I feel like a right fool now.

[Sigurd]

Surely you mean 13 hours from now (or 12½ at the time of my post)?

You also got my vote wrong, not that it matters.

ooops... thats what happens when you are late for a meeting. fixing...

[Andres]

I'm still interested in the entire pm conversation between Sasaki and Belisarius II.

I don't understand why Sasaki left out certain parts. I also fail to see why Sasaki contacted Belisarius and posted a part of the pm conversation at a time where it didn't matter much, since Belisarius' fate was pretty much sealed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I promise you all that if the Sith tap me as their next apprentice, I shall unleash a hellish vengeance upon thee that will make Anakin's fall to the dark side seem like a toddler angry with mommy for not letting him have cookies for breakfast.

If I remember the recent star wars movies...didn't his fall to the dark side seem like that anyway?

[Secura]

Abstain: 4 (AVSM, Diana, Joooray, WE:D)
Not voting: 3 (Jolt, Lord W, Secura)

I voted Abstain, Sigurd.

[Renata]

Catching up:

On the Chatoix/atheotes/(psychonaut) scuffle, I'm on Chaotix' side thus far.

Your attempt to save Beskar from any unexpected bandwagon and your accusation of me trying to staying away from the bandwagon would make sense only if Beskar had anywhere close to the number of votes as Belasarius

The second part is not true. Mafia have all the incentive in the world to stay away from what they know to be a bad bandwagon if they can think of a halfway decent reason for it. I'm gathering Belisarius was in fact a bad bandwagon, though I haven't read through all the posts or the update yet. (Starting at the beginning this time, go me.) The first part, about the saving Beskar bit, might apply better -- depends if Chaotix actually counted the votes or not -- but it doesn't rise to the level of 'contrived' for me.

Anyway to sum up:
Atheotes' vote on Chaotix: meh
Chaotix' FOS on Atheotes: justified, despite the OMGUS aspect

[Andres]

If I remember the recent star wars movies...didn't his fall to the dark side seem like that anyway?

I don't like being ignored...

[Renata]

A Padawan could be hiding his red lightsaber after being turned to the Dark Side by the Sith Holocron.

Or, in other words, if you were a Sith that would only be a cover role and would have no bearing on your real identity.

Sith holocron? From where do we know of a Sith holocron?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't like being ignored...

I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.

[Secura]

Sith holocron? From where do we know of a Sith holocron?

I mentioned it in relation to who the character Atris was (a Jedi Master in KOTOR2 who falls to the Dark Side after studying Sith holocrons), but there was no prior mention of it in terms of this game.

[Renata]

I am going to unvote, if he is infact innocent, the sith will kill him, it saves that kill from going onto a jedi-master or kin.

I don't understand this -- why would the Sith kill someone who's claimed Galen Marak of all people, who has been lynchbait in the past, and who, if innocent, has no abilities? (Or had, I assume -- still haven't gotten to the write-up.)

[Andres]

I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.

How many times do I have to post that you're acting suspicious and behaving scummy before the required quota for you to feel like answering some questions is reached?

[Renata]

No, let's lynch him...I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.

I had been meaning to mention: I'm convinced Sasaki is correct about mafia cover roles, and exactly for that reason: because so many players are showing up in the write-up in connection with the promotions. If that (or the "calling", even) could function as an investigation, it would break the game, recruitment or no recruitment.

[Andres]

I had been meaning to mention: I'm convinced Sasaki is correct about mafia cover roles, and exactly for that reason: because so many players are showing up in the write-up in connection with the promotions. If that (or the "calling", even) could function as an investigation, it would break the game, recruitment or no recruitment.

Could you be so kind to say that you think Sasaki seems scummy?

[Renata]

This was regarding the WOG-saving "vote: abstain" --

Have there been any clearer attempts?

I have no idea what this is meant to mean.

[atheotes]

I have no idea what this is meant to mean.

that was a response to Sasaki's question... Sasaki had asked if AVSM voted only to save himself from WOG.

[Renata]

I promise you all that if the Sith tap me as their next apprentice, I shall unleash a hellish vengeance upon thee that will make Anakin's fall to the dark side seem like a toddler angry with mommy for not letting him have cookies for breakfast. That is of course, until I am lynched the very next day without having killed anybody, because apparently conversions are public knowledge. Oh the anticlimax...

Actually Beskar backed off on that and said it wasn't a conversion attempt; he'd just assumed it was.

I also sense a scapegoating very shortly. Just about any conversion means I am auto-lynched just to be safe. So no matter what happens, I am totally screwed.

Heck, due to my previous comment, you stand to be scapegoated no matter what. I do fully support vengeance on Beskar for that, by the way; that was completely unnecessary.

[atheotes]

Catching up:

On the Chatoix/atheotes/(psychonaut) scuffle, I'm on Chaotix' side thus far.



The second part is not true. Mafia have all the incentive in the world to stay away from what they know to be a bad bandwagon if they can think of a halfway decent reason for it. I'm gathering Belisarius was in fact a bad bandwagon, though I haven't read through all the posts or the update yet. (Starting at the beginning this time, go me.) The first part, about the saving Beskar bit, might apply better -- depends if Chaotix actually counted the votes or not -- but it doesn't rise to the level of 'contrived' for me.

Anyway to sum up:
Atheotes' vote on Chaotix: meh
Chaotix' FOS on Atheotes: justified, despite the OMGUS aspect

You think the mafia stayed away from the "bad" bandwagon on Belisarius? I think not. We will see in the end.
When i called his post contrived, i meant his post with the vote not his response to my accusation. The reasoning he gave for voting Belisarius made me feel that way.

[Renata]

It's definitely strange that Belisarius didn't go public with the information, especially if he thought you were the real mafia. But what would you have done if he had, Sasaki? An "I was just fishing" claim at that point would obviously seem a tad contrived. Explain please.

I'd also like a response to this.

[Renata]

I'm extremely curious about this "troubling information" Sigurd says the expedition leader has from the previous night.

I'm quite positive that at least one of the mafias was in the Belisarius's bandwagon.

Really, Ibn? You don't say.

[Renata]

I very strongly agree with this. I discourage anyone from accepting a role claim as proof of innocence, even a role claim with powers. Judge people on their behavior, not their identity.

Quoted for truth.

[Renata]

I mentioned it in relation to who the character Atris was (a Jedi Master in KOTOR2 who falls to the Dark Side after studying Sith holocrons), but there was no prior mention of it in terms of this game.

I think Chaotix needs some attention, then.

[Renata]

Could you be so kind to say that you think Sasaki seems scummy?

Happy to. Sasaki still seems scummy for baiting Pizza back on day one with questions only a half-step removed in effect from "have you stopped beating your wife". And though his report about the PMs to Belisarius had gotten around in private several hours prior to it coming up in public, I still want your questions and Niklas' answered. I have no idea why such information shouldn't have come forth in public much earlier than it did. It left Belisarius effectively no time to rebut what was in fact the meat of the accusation against him.

[Greyblades]

You do know there is an edit button right?

[Renata]

You think the mafia stayed away from the "bad" bandwagon on Belisarius? I think not. We will see in the end.
When i called his post contrived, i meant his post with the vote not his response to my accusation. The reasoning he gave for voting Belisarius made me feel that way.

No, I think it's feasible that they did stay away, and Chaotix' FOS on you therefore reasonable.

I didn't read his post with the vote as contrived; I did read yours as off, though (why such a snap vote, based on a single post, that late in what had been an extremely busy day?), another reason I was on Chaotix' side as regards the FOS -- did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?