StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.

Well i can assure you that once the night is over you will have atleast my full attention. It were your reasons that triggered the lynch of Belisarius and if you think you can walk away without even defending your own stand on the issue. Think again.

[Thermal]

No, let's lynch him...I guarantee the mafia have fake claims, and get promoted in the writeup as their fakeclaim just like everyone else, otherwise would could figure out who the mafia are based on that alone.

Also, I sent him a pm acting like I was mafia, which he didn't reply to because:



But he didn't post it in the thread or act suspicious of me at all. Could be a new player mistake, could be mafia.

Why wouldn't he post it as mafia? What danger does it add to himself? I think its more likely a new player cautiousness (not mistake as such).

[Sigurd]

I voted Abstain, Sigurd.

I shall update my game files. I doubt you will be in any WoG danger.
*cough* Its not like we keep track of participation and hand out badges.

[Thermal]

I don't think I've been under suspicion enough this game, so I'm going to refuse to answer your questions.

Don't do a chaotix

[Sigurd]

You do know there is an edit button right?

I think the multiquote function would work better

[Secura]

I shall update my game files. I doubt you will be in any WoG danger.
*cough* Its not like we keep track of participation and hand out badges.

Thank you.

[Renata]

I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.

Sorry for the spam, though.

[naut]

I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.

Amen to that. It's a good feature in theory. But, in practice its horrible and frustrating.

[Sigurd]

I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.

Sorry for the spam, though.

It is still not fixed?
I remember having that problem too a while back, but I am sure I have used multi-quote since where they were released on posting.

nvm... that was a digression, no need to discuss this here. Carry on.

[Secura]

I hate the multi-quote because if you pick up a half-dozen posts to respond to, then unless you go back and clear all the checkmarks afterwards, you have to spend the rest of the day erasing them all everytime you press "reply with quote". Blech.

Sorry for the spam, though.

I believe that there's an option to clear previous multi-quotes if you take your post to "Go Advanced". :3

[atheotes]

No, I think it's feasible that they did stay away, and Chaotix' FOS on you therefore reasonable.

I didn't read his post with the vote as contrived; I did read yours as off, though (why such a snap vote, based on a single post, that late in what had been an extremely busy day?), another reason I was on Chaotix' side as regards the FOS -- did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?

I did not know what the accusation on Belisarius was except that he was supposed to have behaved scummy. Take a look at the first 9 votes he got (Sigurd did a tally at that point)...and this is what Chaotix posted.

Ok. Opinion formed. I feel bad about lynching Belisarius on the basis of him being mildly suspicious a while ago, but I'm going along with it for now because I don't want to see either Beskar or ATPG dead.

lets just say it was the straw the broke the back. More importantly i was online at that time and was trying to provoke some responses.

did you have any votes placed at any time earlier in the day, Atheotes?

Are you asking if i had any votes on me? or if i voted before my vote on Chaotix?

[Renata]

Yeah, if you had voted before then.

As an aside, is there any way to grab all of someone's posts from a single thread? It looks like the way I'm used to doing it at CFC doesn't work. :(

[atheotes]

Yeah, if you had voted before then.

As an aside, is there any way to grab all of someone's posts from a single thread? It looks like the way I'm used to doing it at CFC doesn't work. :(

I did...it was on Autolycus.

You can use the "search thread" function - go to advance search and search by user name for all posts by that user in this thread - Though it only lists the posts and you need to go in to see the content.

[johnhughthom]

As an aside, is there any way to grab all of someone's posts from a single thread? It looks like the way I'm used to doing it at CFC doesn't work. :(

Same method as CFC used to work, forum update borked it. Don't think there's another method.

[Diamondeye]

HoS:Chaotix - see my last reply (or Niklas', or Renata's, on the topic) for reason. He needs to spill some beans (or be killed by the mafia) if he wants to avoid my vote.

[Beskar]

It isn't a Sith Holocron and nothing has even pointed to it as such.

[Secura]

It isn't a Sith Holocron and nothing has even pointed to it as such.

You misunderstand; Chaotix mentioned the Sith receiving a holocron, something that wasn't revealed in-thread at any point whatsoever, aside of my explanation of Jedi Master Atris which relates more to canon than this game.

[TinCow]

This current trend toward FOSing the Belisarius lynchers is laziness or opportunism. Anyone who had actually read this thread would have seen a very acceptable case against Belisarius. It all started with Belisarius' vote for ATPG several days ago. At the time, that was deemed suspect by Sasaki, Andres, and Centurion1. Belisarius then responded to these accusations and a decent debate then started up about him. This debate continued off and on for the next 50 posts, until Belisarius stopped responding. During the debate, Belisarius was seen as somewhat off by ATPG, Sasaki, Beskar, and Renata. After the debate was done, Andres made a few posts urging us to focus more on Belisarius. Sasaki agreed. Thus, after the town was satisfied that neither ATPG or Beskar were a good lynch, Sasaki turned his vote on Belisarius. The bandwagon then occurred and Belisarius was lynched.

It is clear that there was a very large amount of suspicion about Belisarius prior to his lynch. It had occurred in a previous day phase and had been somewhat buried by the controversy about Sigurd's post about failure to submit night orders. This suspicion was validly revived when a new suspect was needed after ATPG and Beskar were perceived to be bad votes. And yet, there are now several people attempting to paint the Belisarius lynch as bad and unfounded. They are also singling out Sasaki as the 'ringleader' of the lynch, when it is clear from the history of the discussion that he was nothing of the sort. When it was asked why Belisarius was being lynched, I kindly offered a brief summary.

There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.

FOS: Niklas, Secura, Subotan, and possibly Renata (though her replies have solid reasoning behind them and are not as reactionary as the others).

[Secura]

There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.

*yawn*

Oh... you're finished with the finger pointing?

There was no point where I defended Belisarius; Beskar revealed to me in private that Belisarius had received PMs from Sasaki talking about mafia actions or something, but I wasn't prepared to cast my vote on him without hearing this from Sasaki and Belisarius in-thread.

By the time both posted about these private messages, I was asleep, and the round had ended by the time I had woken up. It was a solid lynch, yes, but by the time the true reasons came to light, I wasn't in a position to vote, being in bed and all.

[Andres]

I for one am not pointing a finger at Sasaki because he was in favour of lynching Belisarius II. I don't think that was a bad lynch.

What does raise my suspicion is a) he didn't quote the entire pm conversation he had with Belisarius II; b) the timing at which he posted a small part of his pm conversation.

I'd like to see the entire thing, that is all. And Sasaki doesn't want to cooperate. My guess is that it contains stuff that might make him look suspicious. If he's innocent, he shouldn't be too afraid of that, as he can probably give reasonable explanations. His unwillingness to cooperate makes him now even more suspicious to me.

[Secura]

b) the timing at which he posted a small part of his pm conversation.

I would have voted for Belisarius had the timing been more prompt, namely at a time I was awake to respond.

The lynch was a decent one, I just wanted to see the evidence that Beskar informed me of before making a decision.

[Renata]

Why'd you skip Ibn, TinCow? He's the one who said outright that he expected mafia on the Belisarius wagon; I raised my eyebrows at that (so to speak) here.

As Secura alludes in her last post, there was something going on behind the scenes that might shed light on how she, Niklas and I reacted; namely, we all got the full-court-press from Beskar to vote Belisarius, based on the information that Sasaki later revealed. Whatever the motivation, it felt manipulative, and though I can't speak for the others, I know it has been an undercurrent to my own posts on the topic since that time.

Your FOS on Subotan seems misplaced entirely (at least for that reason), since in the post you quote he was clearly focused much more on the Beskar bandwagon evaporating than on what had sprung up in its place.

And as I said, you skipped the most egregious example of what you say you're suspicious of.

[Secura]

Why'd you skip Ibn, TinCow? He's the one who said outright that he expected mafia on the Belisarius wagon; I raised my eyebrows at that (so to speak) here.

I assume he skipped over Ibn-Khaldun because he is dead. :3

[Husar]

That was a brilliant analysis, Tincow, if I were a Sith I'd also defend all the prominent players, blame a small group of individuals and go completely unnoticed though the game as the helpful guy. Maybe it's time someone has a closer look at you.

[Renata]

Urk. Nevermind. /Emily Litella.

[pevergreen]

HUrrrrrrr.
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[naut]

This current trend toward FOSing the Belisarius lynchers is laziness or opportunism. Anyone who had actually read this thread would have seen a very acceptable case against Belisarius.

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There is no excuse for claiming ignorance of the reasons for Belisarius' lynch or FOSing the people who were responsible for it. That was a solid lynch, and those who are trying to paint it as anything but are very possibly scum defending scum.

Hmmmm. Yes and no. FoSing the people who instigated the lynch is suspect yes, but FoSing those who jumped on later for the sole-reason of being able to coast on by for another round is entirely acceptable.

[Beskar]

You misunderstand; Chaotix mentioned the Sith receiving a holocron, something that wasn't revealed in-thread at any point whatsoever, aside of my explanation of Jedi Master Atris which relates more to canon than this game.

I thought he accused the holocron of being a Sith Holocron, Atria KOTOR2 style. My mistake.

[Beskar]

Hmmmm. Yes and no. FoSing the people who instigated the lynch is suspect yes, but FoSing those who jumped on later for the sole-reason of being able to coast on by for another round is entirely acceptable.

Agreed, I was less sure after he revealed to be Galen Marak and he was promoted to a padawan earlier this round. But that is doubts due to new information arriving later. The original bandwagon wasn't flawed, I think Belisarius shot himself in the foot abit with some of his later actions, as he went into complete panick mode. I was watching a video clip while he sent me a PM saying he was Galen Marak, when I returned, I had 3 PM's from him going "you don't believe me do you!" and similar. What also didn't work in his favour is because he is Galen Marak. He was raised a Sith untill his final moments, where he became a Jedi as-such and this was only because Vader and Sidious kept on using him as a toy/plaything to do their dirty work.

Though I will laugh if the Sith is Yoda and Obi-wan though, because they are the obvious "Good Guy" choices.

[Renata]

I thought he accused the holocron of being a Sith Holocron, Atria KOTOR2 style. My mistake.

Actually you're both wrong; he just referenced the existence of a Sith holocron, strictly speaking -- you can't infer from what he said that he thinks the holocron referenced in the write-ups is Sith, nor that the Sith received a holocron.

I still want to know where he got the idea.