Are killing routers giving honor?

**DEB8** · 04-22-2010, 23:16

Originally Posted by Yesugey

And here is another question: Sometimes i remember like i see my men "losing" some honor. Not with the death of general, i mean in battle they fighting so terrible so their honor is lowering. Is that possible or its just a hallucination from my newbie times?

It happens. During a battle units can both gain AND lose Honour, and if you watch your units Honour ratings during a battle you will sometimes see them change. Don't watch out for this though or you may lose the battle!

After each battle you get a large list of your units that gives various information. Mostly you will note the amount of men that each of your units has lost and the amount of the enemy that you have killed. However, you also have an "Honour Gained" column ( right central ) ; this usually shows "0". Sometimes you will get +1 or +2 , sometimes -1 or -2. Not sure what causes the plus's other than kills caused ( the number of the enemy killed is usually high against the plus entries, but there are other factors).The AI likes to give extra Honour to units that have lost a lot of men! The minus's are usually caused by routing, where the rout would normally be unexpected ( ? failed Morale test where the risk of failure was low ? ). In this latter instance an Honour 1 unit usually loses 1, and an Honour 2 unit usually loses 2.

**Yesugey** · 04-24-2010, 10:24

Originally Posted by DEB8

It happens. During a battle units can both gain AND lose Honour, and if you watch your units Honour ratings during a battle you will sometimes see them change. Don't watch out for this though or you may lose the battle!

After each battle you get a large list of your units that gives various information. Mostly you will note the amount of men that each of your units has lost and the amount of the enemy that you have killed. However, you also have an "Honour Gained" column ( left central ) ; this usually shows "0". Sometimes you will get +1 or +2 , sometimes -1 or -2. Not sure what causes the plus's other than kills caused ( the number of the enemy killed is usually high against the plus entries, but there are other factors).The AI likes to give extra Honour to units that have lost a lot of men! The minus's are usually caused by routing, where the rout would normally be unexpected ( ? failed Morale test where the risk of failure was low ? ). In this latter instance an Honour 1 unit usually loses 1, and an Honour 2 unit usually loses 2.

Uhm, i thought only the units completely destroyed has negative honor bonus after battles. I dont remember any of my units left the battle with gaining negative honor. Then again, i was newbie at these times. But thanks for backing me up though!

**chaouki** · 04-24-2010, 11:50

Originally Posted by Yesugey

Uhm, i thought only the units completely destroyed has negative honor bonus after battles. I dont remember any of my units left the battle with gaining negative honor. Then again, i was newbie at these times. But thanks for backing me up though!

if one of your units loses a hell lot of men and still some survive it may also "gain" negative honor

**A Nerd** · 04-24-2010, 18:33

I think I've seen units in AI armies that have negative honor. I assumed it was aquired when a battle was lost.

**Togakure** · 04-24-2010, 18:39

Iirc, negative honor results from the commander "bonus," which is actually a penalty if the commander was at zero honor and then lost a few battles. If he then leads honor zero troops, they will have negative honor. I don't think units can get negative honor on their own.

**A Nerd** · 04-24-2010, 18:47

Ah, I see. That makes sense. If memory serves the generals did lose more battles than they had won.

**DEB8** · 04-29-2010, 22:59

Originally Posted by Masamune

Iirc, negative honor results from the commander "bonus," which is actually a penalty if the commander was at zero honor and then lost a few battles. If he then leads honor zero troops, they will have negative honor. I don't think units can get negative honor on their own.

This is proberly correct, although I have not witnessed it yet.
I have seen Generals with a RANK of -1 but not a Generals Bonus of -1. I have always avoided using -1 Ranked Generals in battles and have therefore avoided obtaining a -1 Honour Bonus General!

Re my previous comments: note that any "negative" honour "gained" during a battle, should not result in a unit having negative honour after a battle. I.E. a unit that starts a battle with unit honour of 2 can lose a maximum of 2 unit honour during the battle.

**Caliburn** · 07-15-2010, 12:02

If I remember correctly, the unit honour is relative to three things: the general, the unit commander and the individual soldiers in the unit.

Each man has his own valour value, typically 0 to begin with. The more the man kills, the more the valour rises. If the man dies, the valour of the unit is also reduced by a fraction. For example, a unit of 10 men with 9 rookies and one valour 10 jedi would have valour 1. However, if the jedi is killed during a battle, the unit's valour drops back to zero. Quite often the soldiers "level up" during battles, and the valour rises. Later, when the "leveled up" soldiers die, the valour they've gained for the unit is also lost. Seen this quite often with light cavalry.