StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[ULC]

Reading from several days back to catch up - will hope to contribute something before the days end.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You struck me as scummy, for some reason.

TinCow?

mmmkay. I'll go on record as saying I don't think so. He would have had to have been the other main Sith Lord, and his behavior doesn't match that at all.

In my mind, it was either Tincow or Niklas, not both.

[ULC]

Okay, I want to broach this subject with some trepidation, because although I am sure of it, to confirm it would be difficult.

I think the abilities work on an RPS method, as it seems odd that what beats what in the write ups is consistent, and that those claiming the ability to protect themselves during the night, or have had protective abilities and died, have died regardless. That's a bit unfair to those playing if the abilities have no merit on their own, as it would effect how they play, but would make sense if we've "been doing it wrong".

Also, Sigurd edit this out or not, but we should have long found the original Sith, based upon his words. To me, this sounds like definite grounds for recruitment, and if the Rule of Two is really being held to, then this means that we are fighting 2 Sith and one potential at any moment, and that there is a specific way to stop recruitment period, and I don't think it is through lynching either/or, but by limiting their recruiting capability - I credit WE for allowing me this line of logic.

And to follow it up, I suggest lynching WE. As I've seen him before in most recruitment based/themed games, he has a tendency to leak out information, period, in some grand strategy he cooks up. If this is true, then WE is a Sith or potential Sith.

[Subotan]

RPS? What's that?

[Diamondeye]

I actually think Niklas is telling the truth about Diamondeye being his partner. Their interaction is weird and forced. Let's lynch DE.

You're smarter than that, Sasaki... Niklas has nothing to lose personally, ofc he's going to go out of his way to disrupt the town.

It's interesting that you're now claiming it was just a wishy-washy general scumminess that made you go after me. You were pretty specific about the reasons for your suspicions and the exact timing of them with your last post:

You said in that post that "the lack thereof" of my contributions was what made you suspect me. That's a very specific reason. Now you claim, only one post later, that you don't know why you went after me? You also said two posts ago that you "pinned [me] as suspicious much before the day 5 FoS" and that this suspicion was so strong that you FoSed me so much that you had to use "both hands." That's not at all compatible with the current reply that you don't know what triggered your suspicions and that you might have made a simple mistake with the timing. You are contradicting yourself constantly in your defense of my FOS, that does not bode well for your innocence.

I was about to comment on how nitpicky you are and how you're (unsuccesfully) trying to use that as evidence, but then I realized I act in much the same way.

I think that's actually what strikes me as slightly off about your style.

Also, I didn't say I FoSed you so hard I had to use both hands (that'd be HoSing), I said I FoSed so many people that with one finger each, I still had to take both hands into use...

TinCow?

mmmkay. I'll go on record as saying I don't think so. He would have had to have been the other main Sith Lord, and his behavior doesn't match that at all.

In my mind, it was either Tincow or Niklas, not both.

To be honest I haven't reread that, you might be right. As I said, Tincow's not the top suspect on my list atm. Psychonaut and WE are.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're smarter than that, Sasaki... Niklas has nothing to lose personally, ofc he's going to go out of his way to disrupt the town.

Him having named you as his partner doesn't make you innocent.

[White_eyes:D]

I was going to wait but might as well do this now.....

Ok, take a look at this..

“Very well, let’s proceed with the interrogations people… oh and before I go, we lost a Padawan and a Knight last night.I have decided to award the rank of Padawan to Den Siva. Congratulations!!
The rank of Knight will be awarded Kyp Durron. Congratulations to you too!!”

Den Siva/Darth Nihl=Niklas and Kyp Durron=pevergreen funny how they both get promoted at the same time.....like a "Master and an apprentice"

When Qui-Gon Jinn returned, the crew members were waiting. They had not decided on a candidate to lynch. There was a tie between Den Siva and Kyp Durron. Qui-Gon looked inquisitively on the assembled crew members. “You mean to tell me that you haven’t been able to decide? I can’t go ahead and execute both and be wrong twice. You need to vote a clear candidate. I am cancelling this round of voting.

There also was a tie that round....even though Niklas could have put the final vote on pevergreen lynching an innocent....he choose to tie it up and try and save pevergreen

Tally:
Niklas: 5 (atheotes, autolycus, Diana, Split, TinCow)
pevergreen: 5 (Centurion, johnhugh, Renata, Subotan, WE:D)

Subotan: 3 (ATPG, Psycho, Yaropolk)
White_Eyes:D: 2 (Chaotix, Diamondeye)
Psycho: 1 (Choxorn)
Centurion1: 1 (pevergreen)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (GH)

Not voting: 2 (AVSM, Niklas)

and they didn't put any votes on each other....and Niklas's response to it, was a little to convenient

For the record, I had no idea what the tally was at the time of my unvote. I also had no idea what the result of a tied lynch vote would mean.

Outright lie....and he even had a lynch to waste....so why did he save pevergreen?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nice find. Glad somebody looked that round up :)

Pevergreen is a good lynch.

[Renata]

You think? I think it would be a horrible lynch, and I'm suspicious of white_eyes for suggesting it. Assume Niklas did do the count before he claimed to have. He learns that he is up by one vote over his teammate. He has a get-out-of-lynch-free card in his pocket. Now he unvotes himself, putting himself into a tie with his teammate, when pever (even if he did have lynch immunity as well) has no record of being *supposed* to have it; when Niklas stands to lose his lynch immunity that night anyway; and when Niklas can have no idea what the tied vote might do? (Sigurd hasn't mentioned it anywhere that I know of.) That makes no sense to me.

pever might get recruited, same as anyone, but I don't see him as the Sith Lord.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch immunity hmm? I missed that part. Let's lynch DE then.

[White_eyes:D]

Niklas even admitted that pevergreen might have set-up that QT....

WT*, that wasn't me, I swear it. And I truly wish you hadn't told me, I utterly hate this sort of thing. Now there are two of us spoilered, I cannot unhear what you told me any more than you can unsee what you saw. But I am not the droid you seek, I didn't post that.

I assume you're referring to "Messages 29-27 deleted by topic administrator between 04-19-2010 03:13 PM and 04-19-2010 03:07 PM".

I do not have any account on QT, and as such I don't have the power to delete even my own posts, I tried. I can edit them, or delete their content, but not delete the posts themselves. "Topic administrator" suggests YLC or pevergreen deleted, whoever started that QT. I can only speculate, but I simply won't, you know as well as I do what the implications are. Just like you I loathe that kind of meta-gaming, and I'm enjoying this game far too much at this point, or at least was. It will affect me, no doubt, I can't unhear it, but I'm hoping I can go back to enjoying the game regardless (and you too).

Now I'll take a break, vent some steam, and then go back to trying to derail a stupid bandwagon. At least now I understand why you were so insisting even after I thought I had given you the explanation you wanted.

I get the feeling he was just trying to get TinCow off his back and he let something slip

@Renata: He could have asked Sigurd? heck, I even asked him how many rounds, he would let me not vote as I was away for a few days....
I also think Niklas would have kept a very CLOSE eye on the tally

[TinCow]

Niklas even admitted that pevergreen might have set-up that QT.... I get the feeling he was just trying to get TinCow off his back and he let something slip

YLC was the admin of that QT and he deleted the posts, it was definitely not pevergreen. Like I said earlier, the situation as I saw it was that either Niklas or pevergreen were Sith, not both. Since Niklas is now confirmed Sith, that should clear pevergreen (at least as far as that line of evidence goes).

[Sigurd]

Round 10


Day

Obi Wan Kenobi was utterly tired after a long day fixing the ship’s power grid. He really needed some rest after today’s ordeal. Along the way, he met a recognizable person who asked if it was alright that he tagged along. Obi Wan didn’t mind as this was a person he trusted. They walked along chatting about the ship and how to best get it up and running. When they got to Obi Wan’s quarters, the other person asked if he could talk with Obi Wan some more, about more important matters. Obi wan agreed and the both entered the cabin. Obi Wan turned to the other: “Wait, didn’t we do this last night as well? I distinctly remember something weird happening to me then.” The other person gestured and Obi Wan slumped lifeless to the floor. The other person looked concerned and walked over to the now comatosed Obi Wan. “I am sorry friend, but I have to do this.” He crouched down and closed his eyes. The world would have spun around Obi Wan had he been conscious. Obi Wan woke up right before the meeting in the auditorium and couldn’t remember at all why he had fallen asleep on the floor of his cabin fully clothed.

Luke Skywalker walked alone in the hallways of the living quarters heading to his particular cabin when he felt the presence of danger. Green lightsabre sprang to life as he scanned his proximity. He could see no one, but the feeling wouldn’t go away.
He turned back the way he came a bit, but saw nothing. When he turned again towards his own cabin, there was a personage blocking the way. The person was cloaked in a long blackish cloak with a deep hood hiding face and features. From the dark of the hood, Luke could see glowing amber eyes. They betrayed utterly hatred for him. Luke was ready, his Jedi Knight training took over and he took his defensive stance. The cloaked person just stood there watching, contemplating. Luke got a little uncomfortable when it seemed the person was not going to attack. This was getting a little silly so Luke broke the silence: “What do you want?” The cloaked person stared at Luke with those hateful amber eyes. A little moment passed before the cloaked person responded: “You won’t do.” The cloaked person lifted both arms towards Luke and cascading blue energy was released from the hands. Luke was ready though and formed a absorbing field of force which turned the electric energy to nothing right before him.
When the cloaked person saw this, he stopped. And that was the break Luke needed. He jumped at the cloaked person, lightsabre swinging in to strike. The cloaked person moved away, dodging Luke’s attack. When Luke landed, he felt excruciating pain in his head and fell to the floor. It was as if the very life force was dragged away from his physical self. Darkness came fast.


The night ended and the assembly of Jedi was yet again meeting in the auditorium.
Only one person was killed during the night which meant there was one more Sith out there, or rather in here. Qui Gon admonished them to continue the search for the Sith and present a candidate when he returned.
“We lost a Jedi Knight this night. We need another. Barrison Draay has been found worthy of the title of Jedi Knight. Congratulations!!!”

23 hours to the end of voting (23:00 GMT+1 Saturday 1st of May)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba

Force Ghost:

Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas

Alive:

YLC
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
Centurion1
Choxorn
Diamondeye
johnhughthom
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
splitpersonality
Subotan
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk

[Niklas]

vote: pevergreen

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Awesome...so the sith tries to recruit, and if he hits an unrecruitable then he kills them. But for now we have just one death. And we know no one was recruited.

Anyway, DiamondEye is guilty.

[Diamondeye]

I guess that clears Psychonaut for good.

That leaves White_Eyes:D as my sole main suspect, so I'll Vote:White_Eyes:D

I am going to be away for almost all of this round, so I am going to put it all out here in front that we don't make a mislynch or waste the day on fruitless discussion:

I am Grandmaster Qui-Gon Jinn. Chaotix, aka Yoda, will be able to confirm this claim, having known about my identity for several rounds and having recieved detailed personal information about my character. Should a second confirmation be needed, I have made a private reveal to someone else who can reveal themselves in the thread if they find that this is needed.

I have the Investigation/draining and roleblocking abilities of the former grandmaster and will therefore be able to completely pacify a player at night while also gathering detailed information about him/her. This what was I did to Psychonaut tonight to prove with 100% certainty that he was innocent - sorry for doubting you, Psycho.

This means that the town must pick out a lynch candidate (I am thinking White_Eyes:D, obviously) as well as a main suspect to be scanned and blocked, that we avoid the sith recruiting and thereby restoring their numbers (I get the impression from the writeup that the sith targetted a person who could not be converted, so hopefully there hasn't been a succesful recruitment on top of that).

I myself am unsusceptible to the Dark Side, so if my death follows as a direct consequence of this reveal, the town will have won another day in which to apprehend the sith.

As to main suspects, I am cautious of Sasaki Kojiro and TinCow, but I have no proof against either. Perhaps my emotions are getting in my way, and I need to rest and meditate. I am going to bed soon (it's past midnight and I have to get up early), but if I missed anything of critical importance, please notify me of this in the thread.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don't lynch me, that would be a very bad idea.

We keep on with outing the pro town roles though.

[ULC]

Vote: White Eyes

I'll follow the leader for now, I just want to see how the day unfolds first.

[Diamondeye]

I feel like I should elaborate that I have not yet recieved my result PM of the scan on Psycho, I just took it for granted by the writeup that he is indeed innocent.

On the off chance that he isn't, you have my apologies and we win the game once I get the PM.

[TinCow]

Vote: Diamondeye

I believe his reveal, but it's been proven the Sith have cover roles. Qui-gon was not the Expedition Leader at the start of the game, so he does not have the same level of role-innocence that Yoda does. It is Diamondeye's in-thread behavior that makes him suspicious. Unless I see proof from others that there are night actions that PROVE he was not killing, I believe he is the strongest candidate. If Chaotix and Psychonaut trust him so much, surely they will vouch for him.

[Renata]

For Diamondeye to be Sith he'd have to be capable of a whole lot of actions at the same time. Still, I don't know if it can be completely ruled out. My own questions for you, DE:

I told you it would be better to roleblock Psychonaut, not investigate him. You were actually the first to suggest that, yourself. Why wasn't it done? Who was roleblocked? Also, when you discussed your investigation of Niklas from the previous night, there was no mention of Niklas being completely rendered useless for the evening; quite the opposite -- and in fact, you should not have needed any investigation on Psychonaut at all if that were the case, because both of them would have been neutralized and hence no chance either of them were doing the killings. What's going on, Diamondeye?

I'm not going to be around nearly as much as I'd like to be the next couple of days, so it's just as well you brought this out in public, even if it is completely unnecessary and incomprehensible in itself. These things need answers. Edit: Also, a full answer on your actions from the beginning of the game that you said you hadn't stored -- you mentioned you'd be asking Sigurd to refresh your memory.

In the meantime, no vote.

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Diamondeye

I believe his reveal, but it's been proven the Sith have cover roles. Qui-gon was not the Expedition Leader at the start of the game, so he does not have the same level of role-innocence that Yoda does. It is Diamondeye's in-thread behavior that makes him suspicious. Unless I see proof from others that there are night actions that PROVE he was not killing, I believe he is the strongest candidate. If Chaotix and Psychonaut trust him so much, surely they will vouch for him.

Why would Psycho trust me considering I never revealed to him and only just was confirmed in my belief that he was innocent?

Chaotix and Renata are both aware of my role and have been for some time, though.

I told you it would be better to roleblock Psychonaut, not investigate him. You were actually the first to suggest that, yourself. Why wasn't it done? Also, when you discussed your investigation of Niklas from the previous night, there was no mention of Niklas being completely rendered useless for the evening; quite the opposite -- and in fact, you should not have needed any investigation on Psychonaut at all if that were the case, because both of them would have been neutralized and hence no chance either of them were doing the killings. What's going on, Diamondeye?

I'm not going to be around nearly as much as I'd like to be the next couple of days, so it's just as well you brought this out in public, even if it is completely unnecessary and incomprehensible in itself. These things need answers.

In the meantime, no vote.

As you saw earlier in the thread when another Jedi Master revealed it, it is possible for Jedi Masters (and Grand Master) to target the same person with two abilities. I was almost sure Psycho was the remaining sith (due to his insistance on the holocron thing, among others), so I decided to block him to avoid a recruitment and scan him to make sure we didn't make a fatal mistake in lynching a pro-town.

Also, you're not online on MSN, Renata, why's that? I'd have liked to talk this reveal through with someone I could trust (read: you) to make sure it was necessary, and done properly. This is my first time playing a pro-town role on this forum, after all...

[Renata]

I actually thought that might have been false suspicion from you, TinCow, to keep DE from being attacked. Guess not.

[ULC]

I'm starting to read through the RotS summary thread, and something is starting to make me wonder - one of the Sith NEVER uses a lightsaber. Considering this, I'm starting to think our non-lightsaber wielding Sith was infact Niklas, since he never held the rank to own a lightsaber.

How is this important? Well, it means the Sith don't have the same restrictions we do on ability gain, and that based on the methods in which Niklas killed, I'd also say he had access to Force Drain - his kills differ between 3 types, Force Choke, Force Lightning, and Force Drain.

Also, another thought, what if my RPS theory is wrong, and that instead all abilities work 100% of the time, so long as you are dealing with people of equal rank? This would mean that the Lightsaber killer was of higher rank then Knight, meaning our Lightsaber killer is lurking under a Jedi Master cover, to compliment his Jedi Master power threshold.

[Renata]

Why would Psycho trust me considering I never revealed to him and only just was confirmed in my belief that he was innocent?

Chaotix and Renata are both aware of my role and have been for some time, though.



As you saw earlier in the thread when another Jedi Master revealed it, it is possible for Jedi Masters (and Grand Master) to target the same person with two abilities. I was almost sure Psycho was the remaining sith (due to his insistance on the holocron thing, among others), so I decided to block him to avoid a recruitment and scan him to make sure we didn't make a fatal mistake in lynching a pro-town.

Unfortunately the write-up doesn't make that clear as far as I can tell. However on reflection, you and Psychonaut can't *both* be Sith. So regardless of your own status, I do think this statement probably clears Psychonaut. About you I need to think just a tiny bit more, about the night before last, mostly.

Also, you're not online on MSN, Renata, why's that? I'd have liked to talk this reveal through with someone I could trust (read: you) to make sure it was necessary, and done properly. This is my first time playing a pro-town role on this forum, after all...

I really don't think it was necessary and would have been strongly against it. Assuming you're town, I think it was a big mistake. All the suspicion on you, we could have milked that for some time to keep you alive, I think. You've just neutralized yourself.

Why the rush? Why couldn't you have waited for your PM? I really don't get it. Sorry.

And I'm sorry I wasn't on MSN. I generally don't log in there when I'm only planning to be online for a few minutes.

[Diamondeye]

I'm starting to read through the RotS summary thread, and something is starting to make me wonder - one of the Sith NEVER uses a lightsaber. Considering this, I'm starting to think our non-lightsaber wielding Sith was infact Niklas, since he never held the rank to own a lightsaber.

How is this important? Well, it means the Sith don't have the same restrictions we do on ability gain, and that based on the methods in which Niklas killed, I'd also say he had access to Force Drain - his kills differ between 3 types, Force Choke, Force Lightning, and Force Drain.

Also, another thought, what if my RPS theory is wrong, and that instead all abilities work 100% of the time, so long as you are dealing with people of equal rank? This would mean that the Lightsaber killer was of higher rank then Knight, meaning our Lightsaber killer is lurking under a Jedi Master cover, to compliment his Jedi Master power threshold.

Crimson lightsaber in his lynch writeup makes this invalid?

Unfortunately the write-up doesn't make that clear as far as I can tell. However on reflection, you and Psychonaut can't *both* be Sith. So regardless of your own status, I do think this statement probably clears Psychonaut. About you I need to think just a tiny bit more, about the night before last, mostly.

I really don't think it was necessary and would have been strongly against it. Assuming you're town, I think it was a big mistake. All the suspicion on you, we could have milked that for some time to keep you alive, I think. You've just neutralized yourself.

Why the rush? Why couldn't you have waited for your PM? I really don't get it. Sorry.

And I'm sorry I wasn't on MSN. I generally don't log in there when I'm only planning to be online for a few minutes.

The rush is because several of the most active people on the forum had a finger pointed at me, and I am going to be away all day tomorrow. An early reveal and subsequent beneficial day for the town is better than the lynch of the most powerful pro-town because of real life issues.

I've already stayed up too late, but I still haven't recieved the result PM I'm going to bed for good now (you can thank TVTropes for the fact that I haven't already retired. Not sure if that's healthy).

[ULC]

Crimson lightsaber in his lynch writeup makes this invalid?

It only makes invalid the idea that Niklas was the true Dark Lord - it does not mean it invalidates my whole theory, and infact reinforces the idea that to the Sith rank is meaningless and doesn't effect them or the abilities they can have.

If you have an alterante theory, I'd like to hear it.

[Choxorn]

Assuming Diamondeye and Psycho are both innocent, which seems likely at this point, this makes White Eyes the top suspect.

Vote: White_Eyes :D

[TinCow]

Why would Psycho trust me considering I never revealed to him and only just was confirmed in my belief that he was innocent?

Chaotix and Renata are both aware of my role and have been for some time, though.

You've got some work to do then if you want me off your back. Give us a list of all of your night actions, and their results.

[Renata]

Niklas in his lynch write-up was in fact described as using a crimson lightsaber; however, it said something like that he was not very practiced with it.

Den Siva hissed and sprang forward, igniting his lightsabre which he shouldn’t have had as a Padawan. The crowd gasped when they saw the colour of it. Crimson plasma swooshed trough the air trying to find Qui Gon’s flesh. But the green lightsabre of Qui Gon was there and blocked all Den Siva’s attempts at striking him down. Qui-Gon finally flicked the sabre out of Den Siva’s hands and it was obvious that he hadn’t practised much with it. Seeing his lightsaber rolling on the floor, Den Siva stretched his hands forth and blue energy came cackling from them.

So, I don't know.

When did the Jedi Masters gain the ability to use two abilities per night? It's possible it's important.