The Mexican Drug War Thread

[Strike For The South]

http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/its-a-war

Every once in while I complain about this and no one listens So Ill Just consildate my bitching to this thread.

The El Paso Times also has very good articles.

I'm surprised and disturbed that HChron has nothing despite the fact that Houston is the ultimate end game for these cartels.

The best thing we can hope for is that the Mexican army kills every last one, but since that's unlikely one can only hope the more old school cartels destroy the zeta and we can go back to doing this thing the old faishioned way.

[Mooks]

Ya kill them all. Maybe then I'll get something more then Mexican brick weed around here. That stuff sucks.

[PanzerJaeger]

This will one day be the backdrop of a great movie and then several mediocre follow-ups.

[LittleGrizzly]

Bad rules create havoc and misery. Give me control of the national guard and i could sort out the problem in a matter of months (with the close cooperation of the mexican goverment) It would of course involve me executing elected officials until I came across one with a sensible drug policy but then with cooperation of the mexicans you could have the problem sorted in no time...

Of course its much more politically acceptable to fiegn caring whilst all along ignoring that the war around drugs causes hundreds if not thousands more times damage than the actual drugs themselves... of course it is a scary thought that some rich white kid could go and just purchase any drug he wanted, not that its any different to now, but I always feel alot better when thier lives are at risk of being destoryed and costing the taxpayers thousands...

I think I managed to be pretty bitchy there...

[Tellos Athenaios]

This reminds me of a brief part in the BBC “Tropic of Cancer” series (the very first episode) in which Simon Reeve had an interview with a local officer. And the recently confiscated armory contents... (porcelain tipped bullets that will go straight through the armor worn by the Mexican military)...

[Crazed Rabbit]

This reminds me of a brief part in the BBC “Tropic of Cancer” series (the very first episode) in which Simon Reeve had an interview with a local officer. And the recently confiscated armory contents... (porcelain tipped bullets that will go straight through the armor worn by the Mexican military)...

Porcelain bullets? Never heard of those - any links? It seems bothersome since steel bullets will pierce most armor.

One day we'll legalize pot and hopefully decriminalize drug use and end the cause of this madness. Until then I hope we can at least contain the violence to outside of the US.

CR

[rory_20_uk]

Might be ceramic bullets. Won't flatten so concentrate the kinetic energy. Steel core ones are equally good. Ceramic gets through metal detectors.

Legalise the whole lot and suddenly the margins disappear. Not rocket science.

[Vladimir]

I liked it better when CIA was in control of the drug trade because not my Illuminati funds are running dry.

Legalization isn't the answer. The reason there's so much violence in Mexico is because it's a permissive environment. A lot of Colombian heavies made their way to Mexico due to successful anti-drug efforts. Mexico is easier to operate in.

If we crush them in Mexico, we'll have won a significant battle against the illegal drug trade. We're "winning" so we should keep up the fight.

I'd like to see the legalization angle applied to human trafficking.

[Centurion1]

as lg said give me the national guard dammit. and give them orders to shoot suspicious characters.

mexicos is fubar and we need to pull a use our big stick and put our neighbors on the right path.

the corruption is ridiculous. when we went down to go see my uncles family as part of a vacation in jalisco a cop attempted to bribe us into buying him off after "speeding" makes me sick/

[Ice]

I liked it better when CIA was in control of the drug trade because not my Illuminati funds are running dry.

Legalization isn't the answer. The reason there's so much violence in Mexico is because it's a permissive environment. A lot of Colombian heavies made their way to Mexico due to successful anti-drug efforts. Mexico is easier to operate in.

If we crush them in Mexico, we'll have won a significant battle against the illegal drug trade. We're "winning" so we should keep up the fight.

I'd like to see the legalization angle applied to human trafficking.

How exactly were we "winning"?

How exactly could you compare legalizing the consumption of narcotics to human trafficking? The two aren't remotely similar, and no one would suggest otherwise.

[A Nerd]

I think economic warfare will be far more effective than any military operations. I've often thought marijuana legalization would rob the cartels of some of their income. Not to metion it could be taxed and regulated. American farmers could even grow it legaly and benefit from it's sale and production (jobs and monetary). However, I am still at a loss for heavier drugs like cocaine, heroin and meth.

[Pannonian]

http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/its-a-war

Every once in while I complain about this and no one listens So Ill Just consildate my bitching to this thread.

The El Paso Times also has very good articles.

I'm surprised and disturbed that HChron has nothing despite the fact that Houston is the ultimate end game for these cartels.

The best thing we can hope for is that the Mexican army kills every last one, but since that's unlikely one can only hope the more old school cartels destroy the zeta and we can go back to doing this thing the old faishioned way.

This is just your narrow French perspective. Leave talking about Mexico to Mexicans and their Texan neighbours.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I liked it better when CIA was in control of the drug trade because not my Illuminati funds are running dry.

Legalization isn't the answer. The reason there's so much violence in Mexico is because it's a permissive environment. A lot of Colombian heavies made their way to Mexico due to successful anti-drug efforts. Mexico is easier to operate in.

If we crush them in Mexico, we'll have won a significant battle against the illegal drug trade. We're "winning" so we should keep up the fight.

I'd like to see the legalization angle applied to human trafficking.

We're winning? Thousands dead in Mexico in the last couple years and that's how we're winning? Drugs stay available and the same price and that's winning?

How, then, could we lose? If winning means we don't stop the vast majority of drugs, thousands die, cartels are in a war with the Mexican government, how much worse could losing be?

You do know cartels are expanding marijuana growing operations into the US, right? Pushing them out of Mexico may just lead them here. As long as all the people in the US want drugs, hardly any force on earth can stop the illegal drug trade. This war can never, ever be 'won', because there will always be someone looking to supply the demand.

Furthermore, no one is directly harmed when drugs are used (besides the user, who chooses to use). Which makes drug use very different from human trafficking.

CR

[Mooks]

Hahaha, Vladimar thinks he is winning. It's never a good thing to believe your own propaganda. Trucks drive from Mexico and spread all over the united states distributing weed (They stop in Virginia around Richmond), then they go a little bit north and get the better weed and drive it back south and sell that. Ya, thats right. They sell their weed then they buy the stuff thats not from Mexico (Hydroponic most of the time) and resell it down south where its considered Chronic (good quality). You know what brickweed is right? Its weed that is packed and wrapped with plastic to be transported in mass, and its everywhere. Coming from Mexico. Just imagine the quantity that's needed to supply the Midwest and east coast, thousands of tons.

[Strike For The South]

http://www.ksat.com/news/23455625/detail.html

SAN ANTONIO -- Drug cartel violence in Mexico, kidnappings and almost daily deadly massacres are forcing hundreds of people in the small Mexican town of El Porvenir, Chihuahua, to seek shelter in the West Texas town of Fort Hancock.

But I hear nothing from the media

This is just your narrow French perspective. Leave talking about Mexico to Mexicans and their Texan neighbours.

[gaelic cowboy]

They should just let machete sort this out problem solved

[Vladimir]

Wow. I wonder what some of you people would have said during the battle of the bulge.

Yes, clearly we're winning. Just because the major cartels found a more permissive environment in Mexico doesn't mean they've gained ground. What events led them there? What's changed? What new groups were introduced?

The introduction of "professional" groups like Los Zetas resulted in a change of tactics; a momentum shift toward their side. These are Mexican "elite" forces operating in familiar territory; territory known for corruption and black markets. Take the strategic picture into account. Also, like the war on [X social cause] it will never end but become more manageable.

Compare human traffic to the drug trade and you'll find many similarities. Perhaps the greatest similarity is the legalization argument.

[Mooks]

Compare human traffic to the drug trade and you'll find many similarities. Perhaps the greatest similarity is the legalization argument.

Can you please explain this in detail? Who is pushing for the return of slavery?

[LittleGrizzly]

Wow. I wonder what some of you people would have said during the battle of the bulge.

well for starters if the war is a bad idea in the first place winning or losing is not important, no matter how many great successes we had in the war on carrots, even if it looked like we were just about to finish off carrots for good... I would still be against the war...

Secondly drugs are not about to dissappear, we cannot ever win this war, we are fighting human nature here... we may as well have a war on some human emotion or something... lets have a war on anger its causes more damage than drugs, its probably an as realistic target for eradication (although admittedly more people dabble with anger than a bit of pot or something)

I was about to criticise your battle of the bulge example, but thinking on it its quite apt. the differences being when we convert it into the war on drugs are, one side has no home base you can destroy (druggies) the other side also has a home base you can't destroy (country's police force) both sides have unlimited reinforcments (police die, retire or quit an a new one is hired) and druggies (numbers tend to bounce around a little but anyone who see's some kind of downard trend in a poll and thinks we could continue that down to 0% drug users is simply delusional)

So yes. its a battle in a war, a never ending unwinnable war, and unfortunately some misguided souls on the one side still see victory within thier grasp so the fight shall continue on maybe through a few more generations.

Tell me vladmir seen as it is so important to continue the good fight on drugs why arent we fighting the most important ones ? namely alcohol and tobacco two of the worst drugs out there, sure some people may look back at the prohibition and realise it was unworkable just as some people look at the drug war now and see it as unwinnable but the fact is we can continue to battle regardless of the losses, so why don't or shouldn't we ?

Open question here, regardless of your views is a war on drugs winnable with some kind of freedom remaining in tact (in a democratic society with justice) ? secondly would a war on drugs be winnable with some kind of nazi|* goverment in charge ?

*in terms of freedom and justice that is, as it is I now the nazis made use of amphetamines, intechangable for stalinist government also.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Take the strategic picture into account. Also, like the war on [X social cause] it will never end but become more manageable.

Like what exactly? What other social cause has people desiring something illegal, and willing to pay and break the law for it? Plus, how long has this war been going on? 30 years or more? Just when is it going to be manageable?

You didn't address any of my arguments.

CR