StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

I hear you, BUT

The Sith really had no reason to change their kills last night, AND pevergreen was the original target AND the target was changed AND his message matches mine exactly. It should also match Tincow's message when he was attacked.

So I'm not ruling it out, but the odds are sharply against. And I don't see pevergreen killing Beefy right away either.

I'm not doubting that the Sith kept their kill orders... I'm worried that pevergreen might have been another kill in addition to the ones we had, were it not for either Diamondeye being blocked or you being attacked and therefore distracted.

That's why I gotta see those results.

[TinCow]

All of my efforts were directed to defense last night. If there were two Sith kill attempts, and someone also blocked Qui-gon, I think the math shows it couldn't have been me. Especially if the logic being used to clear Psychonaut holds up.

Your survival proves nothing about you except that you have multiple defensive powers... more than I would expect for a Knight. Using defensive abilities has no impact on your ability to do other things at night. You're still a top suspect. Fortunately for you, you're not the absolute top.

Vote: pevergreen

[pevergreen]

Your survival proves nothing about you except that you have multiple defensive powers... more than I would expect for a Knight. Using defensive abilities has no impact on your ability to do other things at night. You're still a top suspect. Fortunately for you, you're not the absolute top.

Vote: pevergreen

And I am?

Vote: TinCow

Can you dig it?

[TinCow]

pevergreen is lying, he was never attacked by anyone... no one even attempted to attack him. He and ATPG are fabricating PMs from Sigurd.

[TinCow]

And I am?

Vote: TinCow

Can you dig it?

I guess you don't care about finding the Sith then? You only want to lynch people the Sith have failed to kill?

[pevergreen]

I could say the exact same about you?

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want me to screenshot it? Not against the rules, but hey.

[TinCow]

I could say the exact same about you?

You do realize that the fact that I've been attacked by the Sith twice pretty much makes it pointless for you to attempt to lynch me. Might want to try coming up with a better target, you're going to need a scapegoat if you want to survive this round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

pevergreen is lying, he was never attacked by anyone... no one even attempted to attack him. He and ATPG are fabricating PMs from Sigurd.

My PM is not fake at all.

You should know that, you attacked me.

[TinCow]

My PM is not fake at all.

Oh, I know yours isn't. It's pever's that is fake. Given the speed with which you jumped to his defense, at the moment I believe you helped him fabricate it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, I know yours isn't. It's pever's that is fake. Given the speed with which you jumped to his defense, at the moment I believe you helped him fabricate it.

You mean send him mine?

[Askthepizzaguy]

want me to screenshot it? Not against the rules, but hey.

If it were that easy I would have screenshotted my role PM a long time ago, and the results from last night and all the updates to my character. I think that's unsporting.

[TinCow]

You mean send him mine?

Well, to be fair there are two options as I see it. #1) pever got the PM from you, yes. #2) pever is telling the truth, but the person who attacked him was DE.

Neither of those scenarios clears him. Far from it, actually.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, to be fair there are two options as I see it. #1) pever got the PM from you, yes. #2) pever is telling the truth, but the person who attacked him was DE.

Neither of those scenarios clears him. Far from it, actually.

#1 isn't true.

#2 is actually more damning. I agree.

unvote, vote: pevergreen

[pevergreen]

lol k

If it were that easy I would have screenshotted my role PM a long time ago

Cause cover roles never are given to mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmmm

Wait a sec. No, that's not right.

I think I actually have a good defense for pevergreen (which means I must be scum)

One moment

[Askthepizzaguy]

This defense is based on me being innocent, so take that with a grain of salt, but:

I know pevergreen didn't get the following information from me.

You are under attack.

You can use one defensive ability as a Jedi Knight.

Ability1
Ability2

Pm me back with your choice within the hour. If not Random.org will make the choice for you

Sigurd

That matches my PM exactly. The only other place he could possibly have gotten it from is Tincow, and Tincow is obviously saying he didn't send it to pevergreen.

So what does that mean?

Either pevergreen and I are both mafia, or pevergreen is innocent.

unvote, vote: Subotan



Sith blocked DE, DE attacked pever, pever got that PM, the PM matches mine. That means either pevergreen and I are both Sith and he got that PM from me, or....

no I have one ever better than that. Hahahaha.... uno momento.

[TinCow]

This defense is based on me being innocent, so take that with a grain of salt, but:

I know pevergreen didn't get the following information from me.



That matches my PM exactly. The only other place he could possibly have gotten it from is Tincow, and Tincow is obviously saying he didn't send it to pevergreen.

So what does that mean?

Either pevergreen and I are both mafia, or pevergreen is innocent.

unvote, vote: Subotan

Umm... how does this counter the theory that he was attacked by DE, but the attack didn't go through because DE was blocked? You know... the entire reason you voted for pever about 5 minutes ago?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tincow, you know that the PM should match the PM that you got, in general format at least.

You should have had to make those same choices pever and I did. The proof that it is either both me and pever, or neither of us, is sitting in your inbox.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Umm... how does this counter the theory that he was attacked by DE, but the attack didn't go through because DE was blocked? You know... the entire reason you voted for pever about 5 minutes ago?

Because the Sith lord blocked DE.

What I am saying is, that doesn't prove pever did it, only that pever was to be attacked and it was blocked by someone who blocked DE.

But, the format MATCHES my pm, which means that he's a Jedi Knight just as he said. I have firsthand information that pevergreen must be innocent, because the only way that formatting matches if he is guilty is if it came from YOU directly. From my perspective and knowledge.

It's not true, or you wouldn't be trying to get him killed off.

[TinCow]

Tincow, you know that the PM should match the PM that you got, in general format at least.

You should have had to make those same choices pever and I did. The proof that it is either both me and pever, or neither of us, is sitting in your inbox.

And... how does pever being attacked by DE prove that pever is innocent?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So pever and pizza are guilty?

[TinCow]

But, the format MATCHES my pm, which means that he's a Jedi Knight just as he said. I have firsthand information that pevergreen must be innocent, because the only way that formatting matches if he is guilty is if it came from YOU directly. From my perspective and knowledge.

I don't see how that makes any difference. The Sith get promoted by rank just like everyone else, makes sense that their rank would impact their defensive abilities, just as it does yours and mine. Sigurd could easily use the same Jedi-rank defense system for the Sith. In fact, that seems the most fair. If they had extra defenses beyond their cover roles, it would be an easy tell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And... how does pever being attacked by DE prove that pever is innocent?

That part doesn't, that's not what I am arguing.

Sorry I have way too many IM windows and other things going on, I am not making myself very clear.

The proof that I have is proof only I would have, but to a lesser extent, yourself. pevergreen's message from Sigurd is formatted exactly, word for word, with my own results from last night where you attacked me. Which means DE was to attack him but it failed due to Sith interference.

That means pevergreen was going to be attacked and did get that message, and that message does match mine exactly. And, he also got the message that the attack failed, because it did fail. At some point a Sith Lord blocked Diamondeye.

The only way pevergreen is guilty is if I am guilty, or someone else who was attacked (i.e. You) sent him the message. You probably didn't or this attack on pevergreen today makes no sense.

Basically, if Askthepizzaguy is innocent, pevergreen is, or he guessed the exact correct format and wording. I can vouch for him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't see how that makes any difference. The Sith get promoted by rank just like everyone else, makes sense that their rank would impact their defensive abilities, just as it does yours and mine. Sigurd could easily use the same Jedi-rank defense system for the Sith. In fact, that seems the most fair. If they had extra defenses beyond their cover roles, it would be an easy tell.

Hmm.... okay that is a loophole and an outside chance of being true.

I see what you're saying, but I feel that isn't the case. In a judgment call I say it isn't true.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So the sith are supposed to have blocked DE in between when sigurd sent the message to pever and the end of the phase? I guess DE can tell us whether he attacked pever.

[TinCow]

So the sith are supposed to have blocked DE in between when sigurd sent the message to pever and the end of the phase? I guess DE can tell us whether he attacked pever.

I think it's just Sigurd processing all attack orders at the same time. It can't be a change of targets, because those PMs weren't sent out until after the time for submitting orders had ended. Any change in target would not have counted because it would have been too late. So, it has to have been a roleblocked that stopped the attack, and the only roleblock was of DE.

[Chaotix]

Yes, frankly I am surprised that DE left me in the dark about a vig ability (and to a lesser extent TinCow, until last night).

But either way, I think we've got the mafia cornered now. They can't even kill right.

[Askthepizzaguy]

When I saw the attack on me, I assumed it was a Sith attacking me. I thought everyone with vig abilities died off. I thought I had proof I was innocent.

That's what I get for skimming.

Didn't even know Belth survived his attack, or that there was a third attack on split. I was so excited I posted immediately after learning I had survived.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just thinking aloud:

If pevergreen were Sith, and he blocked Diamondeye, then: Why would he get a message about choosing his defense? The block would have stopped all that, and it did stop all that. So the block defeats the kill attempt. There's no way pever would have gotten the message about choosing the defense IF he were the one blocking Diamondeye, because there would have been no need. The block move prevents the kill move.

So, that doesn't prove he's not Sith in and of itself, but it should prove that pevergreen isn't the one who blocked Diamondeye at the very least. And we know that other person has to be a Sith. That, matched up with the fact his "choose your defense" message matches mine, tells me that he legitimately did get the same message I got, which he never would have gotten if he were a Sith blocking Diamondeye.

He wouldn't have gotten the next message either about something stopping the kill attempt either.

[TinCow]

Just thinking aloud:

If pevergreen were Sith, and he blocked Diamondeye, then: Why would he get a message about choosing his defense? The block would have stopped all that, and it did stop all that. So the block defeats the kill attempt. There's no way pever would have gotten the message about choosing the defense IF he were the one blocking Diamondeye, because there would have been no need. The block move prevents the kill move.

The entire 'attack never happened' PM doesn't make sense. Like I said, all that occurred after the deadline for submitting orders, so it couldn't have been an order change. Sigurd would have known that DE was going to be blocked, so why would he have sent the first attack notification PM out to pever in the first place?