So, I am the only one thinking things are going downhill in Europe?

[Fragony]

Yep, going downhill, Sweden 2010

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Leftist people know that it is an enrichment to our culture, but I am not 100% sure if that is the truth.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yep, going downhill, Sweden 2010

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Leftist people know that it is an enrichment to our culture, but I am not 100% sure if that is the truth.

The cop on the left at 04:19 looks like my dad!

[Rhyfelwyr]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Why is the girl in the hijab swearing? How unfemenine. Come to think of it, why is she even in an educational facility? There's work in the kitchen that needs doing...

Hypocritical Muslims...

[Fragony]

Hypocrite Swedes imho

[Husar]

Yep, going downhill, Sweden 2010

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Leftist people know that it is an enrichment to our culture, but I am not 100% sure if that is the truth.

Well, yes and no.

How is that film an enrichment to any culture? I don't care whether the guy calls himself some newfangled modern film artist or whatever, he mixed muslim symbology with pictures of gay people and that gay.bar song and then expected them to appreciate it?
What a fool...seriously...
It's like showing an audience of Christians The Life of Brian, might be lucky if they're christian only on paper but if they take their religion seriously they will hardly appreciate it.
There will probably be less middle-eastern macho-posing, violence and bad words than you get with these muslims, but then again in certain areas in the US you might find that just as well.

Which still doesn't change the fact that a lot of it seems way out of place, there are actually enrichments to be found with foreign people, but you're not going to find them by insulting their religious beliefs.

[Ironside]

Well, yes and no.

How is that film an enrichment to any culture? I don't care whether the guy calls himself some newfangled modern film artist or whatever, he mixed muslim symbology with pictures of gay people and that gay.bar song and then expected them to appreciate it?
What a fool...seriously...
It's like showing an audience of Christians The Life of Brian, might be lucky if they're christian only on paper but if they take their religion seriously they will hardly appreciate it.
There will probably be less middle-eastern macho-posing, violence and bad words than you get with these muslims, but then again in certain areas in the US you might find that just as well.

Which still doesn't change the fact that a lot of it seems way out of place, there are actually enrichments to be found with foreign people, but you're not going to find them by insulting their religious beliefs.

That movie is made of an Iranian woman (Sooreh Hera) and was showed here in the context of what the borders of freedom of speech lies. He did start with pictures provoking Christianity, which were appearently fine by these people. Short story, they went there so they could be offended by an artist who only did this because of the massive reaction of a previous picture from him (Muhammad as a roundabout dog).

The true irony is that these attemts to shut him up makes him more famous than ever and making this stuff going to the mainstream headlines instead of being something barely commented on and missed by almost everyone not searching it out.

Can be noted that he was exposed for attemted arson today (he wasn't home and the fire self-died). That religious elements is certainly overdoing it.

[Hax]

The true irony is that these attemts to shut him up makes him more famous than ever and making this stuff going to the mainstream headlines instead of being something barely commented on and missed by almost everyone not searching it out.

That's pretty much true. I wouldn't be surprised if Salman Rushdie sent Ayatollah Khomeini a personal letter expressing his gratitute, after the latter ordered a fatwa against him. I read "The Satanic Verses" and it's a horrible book, and it hardly even references Muhammed, and when it did, it was in some sort of weird dream sequence..thingie. The only people it could possibly offend are people who like easy books.

[Fragony]

Yeah and I bet it were hired actors, they will do anything to stigmatize.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, yes and no.

How is that film an enrichment to any culture? I don't care whether the guy calls himself some newfangled modern film artist or whatever, he mixed muslim symbology with pictures of gay people and that gay.bar song and then expected them to appreciate it?
What a fool...seriously...
It's like showing an audience of Christians The Life of Brian, might be lucky if they're christian only on paper but if they take their religion seriously they will hardly appreciate it.
There will probably be less middle-eastern macho-posing, violence and bad words than you get with these muslims, but then again in certain areas in the US you might find that just as well.

Which still doesn't change the fact that a lot of it seems way out of place, there are actually enrichments to be found with foreign people, but you're not going to find them by insulting their religious beliefs.

Well, the film itself is not the art. The actual art is the thing Frag linked to, the image of a bunch of Swedish Muslims, speaking Swedish with an Arab accent, chanting obcenities, calling people pigs, and threatening violence. Normally I would say the artist's production piece was just pointlessly offensive and crass, but it got exactly the reaction it was supposed to from those people.

That was the point, to see apparently "normal" people in a university setting (that looks to be a lecture theatre) react like barbarians.

If something similar happened with Christians most of them would just walk out in disgust.

The Life of Brian is, btw the way Killingly funny if you are a Christian, know your history and theology, and actually bother to watch it. The people who initially complained never actually watched the film.

[A Nerd]

I think integration is possible under the right circumstances. Just look at the Irish, Germans, Italians and Jews who immigrated to the US during the 19th century. Though their skin tones were very similar to the majority of that time. People were made not to get along, I guess that's just a fact of life.

[rotorgun]

I think integration is possible under the right circumstances. Just look at the Irish, Germans, Italians and Jews who immigrated to the US during the 19th century. Though their skin tones were very similar to the majority of that time. People were made not to get along, I guess that's just a fact of life.

Really...just look at the Backroom. We're ready to knock each other on the head and we can't even see one another! If you don't like the country you move to, or live, in than either work to change it through the political process, or shut up and assimilate. If you can't assimilate than leave.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Really...just look at the Backroom. We're ready to knock each other on the head and we can't even see one another! If you don't like the country you move to, or live, in than either work to change it through the political process, or shut up and assimilate. If you can't assimilate than leave.

....and that goes for the country of your birth tto.

[rotorgun]

....and that goes for the country of your birth tto.

....and there is this option as well. True indeed.

[Husar]

It's almost time to bring back dueling. If some dude, black or white, Christian or Muslim, Lithuanian or not would have called my sister or my date a whore, I would have walked across the street and socked him on the yapper so that his lips would be sore for a week or more. I probably would have had a few choice remarks about his family lineage as well.

Isn't that exactly what we are criticizing as barbaric behaviour here?

The Life of Brian is, btw the way Killingly funny if you are a Christian, know your history and theology, and actually bother to watch it. The people who initially complained never actually watched the film.

I found it funny as well but also felt guilty because of that at the time.

[Vladimir]

Yep, going downhill, Sweden 2010

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Leftist people know that it is an enrichment to our culture, but I am not 100% sure if that is the truth.

That video is a blatant provocation and says as much about the person who made it as does the crowd.

It's difficult to respect people who blatantly mock the deeply held beliefs of others.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think it's just human nature that we identify most with people that are like us, so the multicultural society will never work. People are never going to live in a society full of different cultures that actually integrate with each other while at the same time keeping their cultural distinctiveness.

One of two things will happen. Either the minority culture will be gradually assimilated into that of the majority, or there will keep their separate ways and relations will continue to deteriorate.

Whether or not they can be assimilated depends on how similar they are. Culture might be the main factor, but in reality I suspect skin tone really does make a big difference on a subconcious level.

And even then the cultural compatablity is more complex that you might think. For example, why do Indian's integrate OK, but no Arabs?

Also, Meneldil, on that point you made regarding Qeuebecers rejecting multi-culturalism, I'm not sure how true that is. Certainly it was in the past, but even since their Quiet Revolution back in the 60's they've been going the for the soppy civic 'everyone that lives in x is nationality x' type approach, much the same way as Scottish nationalist have.

[gaelic cowboy]

For example, why do Indian's integrate OK, but no Arabs?

I would imagine in the past it was because of the socio-economic grouping most Indians belonged too they were generally a doctor or hospital consultant at least in the past.

There is also a theory I heard once that the more gods you have in your beliefs the less important any one particular god becomes handy if your interacting with monotheist westerners

[Fragony]

That video is a blatant provocation and says as much about the person who made it as does the crowd.

It's difficult to respect people who blatantly mock the deeply held beliefs of others.

Screw their religion, if they can't handle that they don't belong in a civilization and should go back to herding goats in the deserts of Backwardstan.

Teeuwen (comedian) says it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOS9vsccJs

I fundamentally believe I am not a pig by the way

Can be noted that he was exposed for attemted arson today (he wasn't home and the fire self-died). That religious elements is certainly overdoing it.

That's not what my sources say

[Megas Methuselah]

-delete post-

[Ironside]

That's not what my sources say

What part? You know something about the 21 year old now arrested for the deed that we don't?

Or do your sources not consider attempted arson as overdoing protests?

[Fragony]

The part where he is setting his own house on fire.

[Ironside]

The part where he is setting his own house on fire.

Getting exposed for something means that someone else were doing it. Religious element is refering to suspected fundies. Bit complicated formulation, but I never claimed that he was doing it to himself.

[Fragony]

Getting exposed for something means that someone else were doing it.

no it doesn't

[Moros]

Screw their religion, if they can't handle that they don't belong in a civilization and should go back to herding goats in the deserts of Backwardstan.

Teeuwen (comedian) says it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOS9vsccJs

I fundamentally believe I am not a pig by the way

Well I bet, Frag knows it, it might be of interest to others. Here we have the same man interviewed by the moslim girls (meiden van halal) he made fun of in their islamic program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knRL...eature=related

Well I'm not such a big fan of the man's comedy, he doesn't give the poor girls a chance. I remember this clip as one of the first things I showed my Islamic girlfriend when we started dating. Yes, I'm overly hounest and stuff when it comes to these things. One of the first conversations I had with her, was about the fact that I indeed could and would get erections because of other girls lol. Eitherway I'm getting way off topic.