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    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    Who said anything about growing anything in soil??????? And grass does not need huge fertility it's huge benefit in Europe is that it rains regular and that grass is cheap just ask NZ farmers.
    EUSOILS reference to soils: "Agricultural soil is a precious and limited resource. Soil is the medium that enables us to grow our food[...] It is not an understatement to say that soil is one of the key issues on which agriculture is based and, thus, fundamental to the existence of human society."

    It is not a matter of finding grass. There may be plentiful grass in mountainous areas, but you aren't going to plant much there.

    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    French products are mainly high value as Furunculus keeps telling us we need to move too and Holland has market gardening greenhouses etc and it would all be exported for cash because Europe is easily self sufficient many times over.
    Eh? What are you ranting on about? I didn't manage to catch anything on it.

    First what does high added value products have to do with anything? Agricultural products are NOT high added value products in any way.

    Second, large-scale agriculture (Required to become the breadbasket of anything - and you said of the world EDIT: Asia and Africa.), isn't done in greenhouse workshops. Sticking your agriculture to greenhouses isn't going to make you the bread-basket of anything.

    I had to make an essay of the CAP for International Economic Relations. The rationale behind CAP is for Europe to be self-sustainable in agricultural products, and to protect domestic players from extra-EU competitors. Such a protection is needed due to many reasons, amongst those is the productivity of European agriculture, which is very significantly impacted by the inadequateness of the European soil. A notable example of why the overall productivity of European agriculture is suffering can be given by the fact that EU subsdies do not even try to respect or foment an economy of scale. Simply put, they are more concerned with making up for the lack productivity with subsidies, to make sure our farmers don't go out of work while the markets are flooded by cheaper Extra-EU agricultural products, thus even supporting the larger agricultural firms to make sure their Intra and Extra-EU quota stays high and they stay competitive globally.

    Another clear example is the price floor (Minimum price) the EU imposes for imported Extra-EU agricultural products so these can only be sold with a cost inside the margin of cost for the European producers, so the (large) European producers can easily compete with imported products.


    The true breadbaskets are the same suspects as usual. We cannot have the productivity of the Pampas region, the Gran Chaco region, the Prairie States of the US and Canada, Ukraine and the Chernozem corridor of Russia.
    Last edited by Jolt; 05-20-2010 at 09:09.
    BLARGH!

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