Going to be studying Wing Tsun with a Grandmaster next semester!

[Fragony]

A single punch knockout is highly unlikely no matter what people say

There is reason boxers wear bits.

[Centurion1]

Even in professional boxing single knockouts to open a fight are very rare.

I don't know my dad knows judo and he can throw me around. (Not like I can use boxing or the like three krav maga moves I have)

Martial arts can be applicable if you actually delve deep into it and seperate the mysticism from the realistic moves I'm not a fan of Kung Fu and their high kicks think its bull I caught a kids leg once and threw him down, most people are way to inflexible and slow to do that with any And any form of wrestling will serve you well in fighting

[Vuk]

There is reason boxers wear bits.

Frag, when adrenaline is pumping, people can take a lot more than you would think. That is why you have to strike the throat where they cannot breath no matter how little pain they feel, and the knees so that they cannot pursue you or fight effectively.

[Fragony]

Frag, when adrenaline is pumping, people can take a lot more than you would think. That is why you have to strike the throat where they cannot breath no matter how little pain they feel, and the knees so that they cannot pursue you or fight effectively.

I am a big fan of the strike first policy. Trick is to slap back the jaw. Won't work with a bit though. Other good one is upward palm between lower and upper chest muscles, watch them fly great fun! I am from the countryside by the way drunken barfights was all the fun we had ;)

[Azathoth]

As it happens, I am going to Wisconsin in September. Or Chicago, at least, for a wedding. But I have relatives in Wisconsin, which, alas, means I likely won't have time to learn from the grandmaster.



I don't know, you might like Bas Rutten's video, which focuses on kicking the groin and smashing people's heads into things:




Anyway, have fun!

CR

It is a shame that you will not be able to come. It would be fun to meet another Orgah.
I really don't like Bas Rutten's video. A lot of his techniques rely on being larger and stronger than the guy who he is fighting. What if you are not? Overall I was not impressed with his techniques, and I do not like the idea that he is encouraging people to attack and maim others. A guy like Bas Rutten gets by because he is bigger and stronger than most other people. If he was not, he would get his arse whooped. If a technique cannot be effectively used against someone who weighs 100 lbs. more than you, then I do not think that it is a good technique. Not all of it was bad, but even what was good was not as good as it could have been.
Too bad that you cannot come to the seminar, then you could see how effective Wing Tsun is. Some one like Rutten would get seriously killed (:P) by a skilled Wing Tsun practician half his size.

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

[Vuk]

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

Why?

[Kagemusha]

Why?

You know much martial artist and mixed martial artist history of Mr.Rutten? You are saying that run of a mil Wing Tsun practitioner would take out this guy with black belt in Taekwando,Karate, successful Thai and Kickboxer+ One of the legends in mixed martial arts scene. I doubt it could be done just like that. Otherwise i would expect that Wing Tsun practitioners would be dominating the MMA scene, which is not the case.

[Vuk]

You know much martial artist and mixed martial artist history of Mr.Rutten? You are saying that run of a mil Wing Tsun practitioner would take out this guy with black belt in Taekwando,Karate, successful Thai and Kickboxer+ One of the legends in mixed martial arts scene. I doubt it could be done just like that. Otherwise i would expect that Wing Tsun practitioners would be dominating the MMA scene, which is not the case.

lol, yes, I do know his history. 5th Dan in Karate and 2nd Dan in TKD I believe. As I said though, it seems that he is relying more on force than technique. Look at his groin kicks for instance. They are outrageously slow (slower than the average TKDist where I study), barely chambered, he leans back when he does them, and he throws his guard down. I don't know how much (if any) is due to his injuries, but surely he could not throw his hands down at his sides. I don't know how good he used to be, but I am judging by his 'bar fighting' advice and technique.
And there is nothing 'run of the mill' about a WT practician. A practician is someone at master level who learns for themselves rather than to teach. It takes a LOT more to reach instructor level as a WTist than to get a black belt in most karate or TKD schools. (same can be said for most Chinese martial arts.
I never said that a WTist would beat him in MMA, I said in a bar fight. In the types of life or death scenarios that he is describing. If he used techniques like those, he would most certainly end up dead on the ground in a very short amount of time.

Even forgetting technique and just looking at speed, judging by a few videos of Rutten fighting that I have seen, he can get just about two punches a second into his opponent at his fastest. Any WT Practician would be able to get seven punches a second. Also, Rutten (even in his bar fighting video) loves to aim his punches at the face and the torso, while a Wing Tsunist would strike him in the throat...seven times each second. Also, a Wing Tsunist would coordinate his leg attacks with his arm attacks, something Rutten is unfamiliar with, so he would have to be defending against kicks the same time as punches.
Add technique in to speed, target, and strategy, and you have a no-win situation for Mr. Rutten. :P

EDIT: and even forgetting whether or not a skilled WT master could defeat Mr. Rutten, his techniques still do not work if you are not twice the size of your opponent! Therefore it is not good street fighting advice!