Shogun 2 Total War - confirmed

[gollum]

Originally posted by Intratenusa
I hope CA at least makes the the AI decent, then I will still buy it and wait for mods that might add new land like the rest of East Asia...

You could even mod in 8th century Britain

[Intranetusa]

You could even mod in 8th century Britain

Nah, 8th century Britain isn't much better than 15th century Japan. In fact, I'd say it's probably even more boring.
I'd prefer a truly diverse and expansive empire - ie. Byzantines, Muslim Caliphate, or the Tang.

[gollum]

This is but one of many links:
http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm

Reproducing from the part The Samurai's sword:
"As a sword, the Japanese katana is unmatched in its sharpness and cutting power."

I gave up on the "argument" as "dont feed the troll" is a maxim i hold to, once i realise one behaves as such



edit: not to mention that those who throw "arguments" because they don't really know what they are talking about but do so for a war of impressions, aren't all that sportive at all.

[Gregoshi]

You just can't take things too serious. We are talking about a game - not even that - a game announcement.

[gollum]

Only that you are saying this to the wrong guy Gregoshi:)

Again you are making a war of impressions. I talked about the exact same thing just before. Nothing is "ultimate" against everything - but it can be ultimate in its role and category.For a sword such a role is cuting. And a metallographic analysis shows jst that: the quality of themetal that translates directly into sharpness and cuting power. You said that katanas cut the same as european swords but the point of the text (and other similar texts) is that katana is a far better quality weapon for its class and purpose, as far as cuting is concerned.

However the point is that you are making a war of impressions - and who wouldn't at this stage if you have taken it so far. So lets just let it be becaues in all probability you are some very young person, and this sort of behaviour and stance is as forgivable as unworthy.

Throwing the ball to the others and feeling clever with that (whle you have no clue yourself), picking up points of disagreement and create an argument that fits ours etc is trolling - so: be my guest and troll all you want ;)

[A Nerd]

Ah, what a lively bunch. Warring clans are forming already...to arms men, to arms!

[Intranetusa]

This is but one of many links:
http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm
Reproducing from the part The Samurai's sword:
"As a sword, the Japanese katana is unmatched in its sharpness and cutting power."
I gave up on the "argument" as "dont feed the troll" is a maxim i hold to, once i realise one behaves as such

edit: not to mention that those who throw "arguments" because they don't really know what they are talking about but do so for a war of impressions, aren't all that sportive at all.

From the same link, just further down the page:

"[katana] is not quite the "ultimate sword" some of its ardent admirers occasionally build it up as. The katana's exceptionally hard edge was prone to chipping and needed frequent re-polishing and its blade could break or bend the same as any other sword might (...and no, they won't slice through cars or chop into concrete pillars either). It was not designed to take a great deal of abuse, and is not as resilient in flexibility nor intended to directly oppose soft or hard armors as some forms of Medieval swords had to be. "

[Intranetusa]

This is but one of many links:
http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm
Reproducing from the part The Samurai's sword:
"As a sword, the Japanese katana is unmatched in its sharpness and cutting power."
I gave up on the "argument" as "dont feed the troll" is a maxim i hold to, once i realise one behaves as such

edit: not to mention that those who throw "arguments" because they don't really know what they are talking about but do so for a war of impressions, aren't all that sportive at all.

Another paragraph from the same link:

"Surprisingly, the longsword or greatsword is arguably a more complex weapon that the katana. Though there were single-edge versions, it generally has two edges that can be used, as well as a versatile crossguard and pommel permitting a variety of specialized techniques....

"...Knightly blades could be excellent swords, but are often denigrated merely as crude hunks of iron while samurai swords are venerated and exalted sometimes to the point of absurdity by collectors and enthusiasts (something the Japanese themselves do not discourage). Bad films and poorly trained martial artists reinforce this myth. The bottom line is that Medieval swords were indeed well-made, light, agile fighting weapons equally capable of delivering dismembering cuts or cleaving deep into body cavities. They were far from the clumsy, heavy things they're often portrayed as in popular media and far, far more than a mere "club with edges."Interestingly, the weight of katanas compared to longswords is very close with each on average being less than 4 pounds. "


Your own source says that the katana is exaggerated by movies while European swords are underrated.

[gollum]

It also says that the katana cuts better. I never argued that european swords are lesser weapons - just that in sheer metal quality the japanese weapons are unmtched and they are. I made the point of weapon purpose already, so you say nothing new. You are just repeating your self and changing your words just as a good troll would ;)

[A Nerd]

You are just repeating your self and changing your words just as a good troll would ;)

Trolls are people too ya know..be nice!

[Intranetusa]

It also says that the katana cuts better.

And it says quality European swords were more flexible and had more durable edges.

I never argued that european swords are lesser weapons
- just that in sheer metal quality the japanese weapons are unmtched and they are. I made the point of weapon purpose already, so you say nothing new.

Actually, you did. You said katanas are "far better."

Actually - katanas are really far better - there is a reason for the hype, and i can tell you that its not Hollywood based as you think

And you mentioned some statistics about how Japanese swords has more 7x more layers, which really doesn't mean squat in terms of quality and combat effectiveness.

As far as weapons are concerned, japanese swords - katanas - are the highest quality hand-to-hand weapons ever produced - metallographic analysis in the highest quality european swords (from Toledo) showed about 200,000 layers of iron/carbon in the steel alloy. The equivalent number for a katana is 1,500,000 - making it a killing tool that hasn't been repeated. Other Japanese blades for yaris (spears) and naginatas (halberds) were of comparable quality..

You are just repeating your self and changing your words just as a good troll would ;)

The only troll here is your own Japanese fanboy self worshiping the overrated katana and your mystical samurai that never existed. Sorry pal, but anime and movies will only get you so far.