Shogun II - Yay or Nay Poll

[Intranetusa]

Will Shogun II be decent (no buggy till the 3rd patch, better AI, etc), and do you plan on buying it?

[gollum]

Absolutely excited about it - definitely will buy. However i have no clue wether it will be good - and other than CA neither does anyone else just now. By the way where is the polling option?

Edit: saw it - voted (yay i'll buy and no predictions)

[Gregoshi]

I voted it will be good only because CA appears to be pulling back from the "more more more" approach - pushing the technology/features ahead without perfecting them. Someone at CA must have read Arthur C. Clarke's short story "Superiority". What the final product will be is hard to say, but I like the philosophical approach they are taking with this game.

[A Nerd]

It will be good. I have faith. Heck, I liked M2TW and ETW, so I guess I am a little biased.

[pevergreen]

I dunno. Would have been more psyched for R2TW, but you gotta figure that is next.

[Kagemusha]

I will buy it and then see what it will be worth. I am very exited and hope that CA will honour the spirit of the original title and dont go towards too Arcade like game.

[Subotan]

Probably Yay, even though I never played it. Hopefully, this will be a return to form for CA.

EDIT: Of course, I may just be being a muppet and falling for CA's tricks again, but if that's true, then I'm an excited muppet.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I hope it will be Yay and Yay.

[Ser Clegane]

I am cautiously optimistic - the currently avaibale information implies a bit of a "back to the roots attitude" of CA which is likely to be a good thing.

I think it very much depends on to which extent they work on the strategic map as the move away from the risk-style map did not really help to improve the gaming experience (at least IMHO).

As I like the setting, I would tend to buy it - but I will definitely wait to see some reviews on this board to see if it is an improvement compared to the recent TW titles.

[Andres]

I love the setting, so a "yay" from me.

[Thermal]

Yay Yay ...


...Yay...

[edyzmedieval]

I will definitely buy it, and I think it will be good.

If it's not good, a torrent of comments and not-so-nice words will go towards CA, along with a trade embargo. Last TW for me, for sure, if STW turns crap.

[Lemur]

I have come to the painful realization that I am CA's catamite, so I'll buy it even if it's horrible. Oh, I can muster the willpower to avoid DLC and add-on campaigns, but to skip an entire game generation? The pain would be unbearable. I do hope they get the AI under control this time.

So where's the "It may be buggy as hell but I'll buy it anyway" option?

[Monk]

Empire can be a very good learning experience for CA if they choose to use it as such, we'll see if S2TW can avoid the same pitfalls.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I will buy it for my collection (I got all TW PC games ) and for the MP part of it. I hope it is as good as the original.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I will purchase it if it meets widespread approval of the community here and can be relatively easily moddable - either by CA providing tools or using open or easily opened formats.

I'm extremely pessimistic that those two criteria will be met.

[AussieGiant]

As I mentioned in the AI thread, this is a solid move by CA and will either propel them forward or potentially be a kill shot. It's their first game, its been 10 years and hopefully with the down sizing of the scope they will produce a tight crisp game with the best elements of the original and the lessons learned from the past 10 years.

Plus, if they screw this, their signature game, then that's just got to be a pressure packed environment. :-)

I LIKE IT!!

[Terazawa]

2v2 Totomi 10k Koku, 5 monks/guns max

gg

Self Explanatory??? =)

[NagaoKagetora]

Haven't been excited about a TW game for years, definate Yay!

[hoom]

I await more information about what they are doing on campaign map side & whether it looks like it'll get the immersion of the original.

[Sp00n]

Haven't been excited about a TW game for years, definate Yay!

About where I am :P

[General Malaise]

I voted that I'd get it, but only if it is not Steam exclusive.

[Beskar]

It will be, but there is nothing wrong with Steam anyway. Haven't got a clue why people are upset with the idea.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I have come to the painful realization that I am CA's catamite, so I'll buy it even if it's horrible. Oh, I can muster the willpower to avoid DLC and add-on campaigns, but to skip an entire game generation? The pain would be unbearable. I do hope they get the AI under control this time.

So where's the "It may be buggy as hell but I'll buy it anyway" option?

I've got the fever as well. I'll give it a yay,yay. I think the smaller scale will help avoid the bugginess issues. I hope they do the original Shogun justice, and I think they will. I've read that the AI is improved/game more polished in NTW compared to ETW, is that a consensus opinion? If I remember one of the biggest issues with Shogun, aside from the battle AI, was the diplomacy side. Hope they can nail it, because like has been mentioned I love the setting and era.

[Intranetusa]

If I remember one of the biggest issues with Shogun, aside from the battle AI, was the diplomacy side. Hope they can nail it, because like has been mentioned I love the setting and era.

Bad battle AI and bad campaign AI were both major problems in RTW and MTW2 too. Not sure about ETW/Napoleon since I didn't get those.

[Intranetusa]

It will be, but there is nothing wrong with Steam anyway. Haven't got a clue why people are upset with the idea.

I don't like paying full price for an electronic download. I'd rather prefer a hard copy, box, manual if I'm gonna shell out $50. And I think regular-copies are more mod-receptive, whereas STEAM versions need to be tweaked around for mods to work (not sure about this, so don't quote me).

[A Nerd]

I don't like paying full price for an electronic download. I'd rather prefer a hard copy, box, manual if I'm gonna shell out $50. And I think regular-copies are more mod-receptive, whereas STEAM versions need to be tweaked around for mods to work (not sure about this, so don't quote me).

Not to mention how much faster install is when using a hard copy vs. download, in my experience anyway.

[caravel]

I dislike Steam for the same reasons I dislike any intrusive copy protection software or unnecessary commercial bloatware that locks the user in to a single service where the available products are not necessarily at the best available prices...

When I buy a game, I expect just that - a game, not some extra bloat that is essentially there to check that I'm not a thief while pushing more products down my neck.

If I then choose not to use Steam and actually go out and buy the game, I do not expect to have to install the same bloatware anyway in order to activate to prove that I am not a thief.

For me the right to choose what I install on my PC is important, to some it isn't which is fair enough. Horses for courses.

[Yoyoma1910]

Hoorah!!!!

[Monk]

I dislike Steam for the same reasons I dislike any intrusive copy protection software or unnecessary commercial bloatware that locks the user in to a single service where the available products are not necessarily at the best available prices...

When I buy a game, I expect just that - a game, not some extra bloat that is essentially there to check that I'm not a thief while pushing more products down my neck.

If I then choose not to use Steam and actually go out and buy the game, I do not expect to have to install the same bloatware anyway in order to activate to prove that I am not a thief.

For me the right to choose what I install on my PC is important, to some it isn't which is fair enough. Horses for courses.

Steam is nice when it isn't the only way to obtain a game, when you have normal and steam versions along side one another. A great many games that come out on steam are not exclusive to the platform (baring valve's own releases, but those have the best steam implementation for obvious reasons). When used as a gaming platform Steam can do some wonderful things, least of all keeping your product up to date and ensuring that if your install gets corrupted somehow it can be easily replaced. It also allows quick and easy DLC purchasing, downloading and installing for games that have quite a bit.

When used as a DRM model, however, Steam can be just as instrusive as any other. ETW was a good example of how not to implement Steam in your games, it just felt off. Combine it with being the only way to obtain the game and it quickly becomes a nightmare not many tw fans are looking forward to. I love Steam for what it is, but its implementation in ETW left a lot to be desired.