Did Prince Charles completely go bonkers?

[Fragony]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...referrer=yahoo

Must be my birthday. Dhimmitude, climate-madness and royals, the trinity of everything that annoys me all in one man. I mean what is going on here.

[al Roumi]

I mean wtf is going on here.

Indeed, I isn't it gloriously unexpected that he be learned, tolerant and royalty?

Here frags, have a tissue for the foam around your mouth.

[Fragony]

Indeed, I isn't it gloriously unexpected that he be learned, tolerant and royalty?

uh-huh, naturally.

[rory_20_uk]

No idea. I imagine he saw Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Lybia and Saudi Arabia and was overcome with their tolerance and progressive environmental principles and saw this as the way forward...

Just remember that anything European or God Forbid English or Christian is Eeeevil. The only good comes foreign religions and practices.

[tibilicus]

I still like his stance on genetically modified food.

Don't eat the tomatoes, they'll turn you into a monster!

[Fragony]

No idea. I imagine he saw Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Lybia and Saudi Arabia and was overcome with their tolerance and progressive environmental principles and saw this as the way forward...

Just remember that anything European or God Forbid English or Christian is Eeeevil. The only good comes foreign religions and practices.

If a royal did this here we would be very upset, the English must be more used to it by now

[al Roumi]

No idea. I imagine he saw Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Lybia and Saudi Arabia and was overcome with their tolerance and progressive environmental principles and saw this as the way forward...

Just remember that anything European or God Forbid English or Christian is Eeeevil. The only good comes foreign religions and practices.

Maybe. Or maybe he has actualy read the Quran himself? I don't think his comments call on the western world to follow the example set by the Muslim world, he says instead that there is something to learn from islamic principles. I am again labouring under the assumption that this is not at the hand cutting, stoning and chauvinist side of the cultural spectrum however.

I pity the mod who will have to clean up after this thread.

[al Roumi]

If a royal did this here we would be very upset, the English must be more used to it by now

pff. Perhaps in the same way the UK should be self congratulatory about not handing a degree of electoral power to a celebrated xenophobic bigot?

[Fragony]

pff. Perhaps in the same way the UK should be self congratulatory about not handing a degree of electoral power to a celebrated xenopoibic bigot?

easy with that I bite

oh he not me nvm

[al Roumi]

oh he not me nvm

yes, regretably, there is probably more tolerance for hate mongers here than peaceful muslims.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I mean wtf is going on here.

Frags, he was giving a speech on environmentalism at the oxford center for islamic studies. Speeches are always tailored for the audience. It leads to some amusing moments when they are reported on though.

Maybe. Or maybe he has actualy read the Quran himself? I don't think his comments call on the western world to follow the example set by the Muslim world, he says instead that there is something to learn from islamic principles.

Like what?

Koran which, he said, tells its followers that there is 'no separation between man and nature'

What do you think we learn from the teaching "there is no separation between man and nature"?

[rory_20_uk]

In any religious books there are many principles to follow any possible view. Even paedophilia is covered
There are a similar number of ones that can be taken out of the bible... Sadly Jesus managed to keep his hands off 6 year olds though...

[Fragony]

yes, regretably, there is probably more tolerance for hate mongers here than peaceful muslims.

And you wonder why? These normal everydaybakeyourbread-muslims aren't interesting to leftist idealists there has got to be more, even they they can fold in the warmth of their embrace. No matter that they really can't but scrap that. Can we please just act normal? How egocentric can one possibly be to use other people's living-space as a testground.

[al Roumi]

What do you think we learn from the teaching "there is no separation between man and nature"?

Respec', innit. Respect for nature, as we (belatedly) have respect for man. Clearly, that allows for a lot -as consistency is by no means a watch word for "good".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Respec', innit. Respect for nature, as we (belatedly) have respect for man. Clearly, that allows for a lot -as consistency is by no means a watch word for "good".

But what on earth does that mean? I have no idea. What is unnatural about man? What does it mean to have respect for nature? Are we trying to stop global warming because it's bad for the earth or because it's bad for us? And in what way is there "no separation between man and nature"?

[Beskar]

Even paedophilia is covered
There are a similar number of ones that can be taken out of the bible... Sadly Jesus managed to keep his hands off 6 year olds though...

paedophilia is a modern concept, in those days, if a female bleeds, she is a woman, not a child. Both christians, muslims and non-christians alive during that time did it, probably even the pope. (The popes were known for their secret wives and love affairs).

[Louis VI the Fat]

paedophilia is a modern concept, in those days, if a female bleeds, she is a woman, not a child.

I would assume that even back then it would've been exceedingly rare for a six or nine year old girl to mentruate.

But bleed, that I'm quite sure they did. That's what happens when grown up brutes force themselves onto (into) nine year olds. Maybe Mohammed was very underendowed, and his insecurity about this led him to rape nine year olds and write violent fantasies about subjugating other peoples.

Moderator NOTE: While Mohamed's marriage to a girl who was very much underage by modern standards is a historical fact, characterizing it as rape takes a harsh tone and is a charaterization with which many followers of Islam (and some others) might disagree. By our modern ethical and legal standards, informed consent is simply impossible at 6, or 9 or whatever, and it would indeed be labeled as a "rape." Sadly, Louis is all to correct as to the physical damage possible from mature male/immature female pairings.

To ALL: be careful with this, remember that more than just a few of us read this, regardless of how many respond in a given thread.

[Beskar]

I would assume that even back then it would've been exceedingly rare for a six or nine year old girl to mentruate.


But bleed, that I'm quite sure they did. That's what happens when grown up brutes force themselves onto (into) nine year olds. Maybe Mohammed was very underendowed, and his insecurity about this led him to rape nine year olds and write violent fantasies about subjugating other peoples.

I believe he didn't have sex with the 6 year old, he only married her then. Akin to the European Kings between cousins, sisters, daughters, etc. It depends if we are going to call a bunch of people paedophiles or just realise it is a product of its times, rather then lamblast muslims over it.

I mean, there are lots of things you could object to in the Koran on a ideological or moral settings, but to point something out which is obviously a product of a time, just to insult them? It really shows immaturity, if that is the most "evil" or "objectionable" thing in the Koran.

[Vladimir]

What do you think we learn from the teaching "there is no separation between man and nature"?

If man is meant to be a slave to God should we not enslave nature as well?

I believe he didn't have sex with the 6 year old, he only married her then. Akin to the European Kings between cousins, sisters, daughters, etc. It depends if we are going to call a bunch of people paedophiles or just realise it is a product of its times, rather then lamblast muslims over it.

Consummate isn't a soup.

[Rhyfelwyr]

but to point something out which is obviously a product of a time

But they do claim to believe in absolute morality, so they can't dismiss things as being appropriate in certain times/culture etc...

[Hax]

The Daily Mail? That's donkey feces of the highest order, comparable to our Telegraaf.

[Subotan]

The Sun and Sexpress are worse.

Anyhoo, the three most terrifying words in the British vocabulary are King Charles III.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Frags, he was giving a speech on environmentalism at the oxford center for islamic studies. Speeches are always tailored for the audience. It leads to some amusing moments when they are reported on though....

Actually, this is a common mistake that pols world over have been making for a decade or more now. EVERY speech, presentation, quip, or comment is made to ALL potential audiences at the same time and you will be held accountable. That is the joy of our internet-mediated, twittered, polarized world village -- MacLuhan has come true with a vengeance.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

... (The popes were known for their secret wives and love affairs).

Some Holy Fathers strayed thus. Just as many were known for their personal piety.

[PanzerJaeger]

The Daily Mail? That's donkey feces of the highest order, comparable to our Telegraaf.

Do you have any specific criticism of the story or how it was reported? Factual errors, misquotes, or editorial bias, perhaps?


Anyway, I wouldn't get to worked up Frag. He isn't saying that Britons should live like Muslims, but that Muslims should go green - which is excruciatingly nauseating in its own right.

[Beskar]

Do you have any specific criticism of the story or how it was reported?

It is bias advocation towards islamophobia. Taking the comments out of context, and slapping "Follow the Islamic way!" as the title which is a distortion of the truth compared to the point that was actually being made. It's aim is to fire at the core readership, typically made up of intolerant, ignorant and psuedo-fascist who seem to get a kick about screaming and ranting on something banal as this matter.

As Hax said, it is typical of the Murdoch branded steam rolls which ruins good journalism.

[Fragony]

Do you have any specific criticism of the story or how it was reported? Factual errors, misquotes, or editorial bias, perhaps?


Anyway, I wouldn't get to worked up Frag. He isn't saying that Britons should live like Muslims, but that Muslims should go green - which is excruciatingly nauseating in its own right.

The islamphilia of the British is absolutely something to get worked up about.

[Pannonian]

No idea. I imagine he saw Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Lybia and Saudi Arabia and was overcome with their tolerance and progressive environmental principles and saw this as the way forward...

Just remember that anything European or God Forbid English or Christian is Eeeevil. The only good comes foreign religions and practices.

Citing the progressiveness and tolerance of Islam is missing his point. He belongs to the ultra-big CoE, which includes all religions under its roof. Sure, he's the only person who belongs to that wing, but it's still better to understand his view than to mischaracterise it. His view of Englishness isn't our view of Englishness, one in which the rule of law, tolerance of minorities, respect for people's rights, etc. are grounded in secular arguments. His view of Englishness is a society that is grounded in religious principles, and its enemy isn't Islam, but the decay of religious belief. He probably admires the fanaticism of Islamists, whilst finding their specific ideas to be a little odd.

[Kadagar_AV]

Some Holy Fathers strayed thus. Just as many were known for their personal piety.

And given the popes are Gods man on earth, this would mean that... Nah, I'll just be froody :)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And given the popes are Gods man on earth, this would mean that...

That anyone can make poor choices and sin. Most of us are well-intentioned but hardly infallible. The same holds true for the Holy Fathers; past, present, and future.