So, we need more gay people to have kids...

**Beskar** · 06-12-2010, 01:00

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

There is some circular logic going on in this statement.

The children of a homosexual couple will only have trouble fitting into a school full of children who have been taught, either directly or indirectly, that homosexuality is somehow wrong. Does the issue lie with the homosexual couple or the dimwits who instill intolerance in their children?

Agreed. I take the view that it is the dimwits who instill the intolerance in their children. Any good parent would educate the child on something they don't understand, in order to promote tolerance. Intolerance breeds in ignorance.

Even if a child initially "doesn't understand" why Timmy has two mothers, it is the parents/teachers job simply to educate them.

This issue occurs in similar subjects, such as adopted children, children in carehomes, etc.

**Kadagar_AV** · 06-12-2010, 01:02

Seamus, Beskar,

As much as I respect your arguing for what it is worth, it is in fact worth very little.

"Was homosexuality OK in a time where it was OK to have sex with a girl when she bled" - the whole issue is rather irrelevant.

Let us have a look at the issue with more logical eyes, you know logic, the thing we strive for as humans - and let us rephrase: "Who cares who people love, it is their own decision".

Then of course, you can argue that people who love X is not suitable as parent, but if so, you need to back it up.

I for one think that people who "loves" children should not be allowed to have them. I do not however think that a gay couple would do a worse job than, say, a single mother or a dysfunctinal (or even average?) heterosexual couple.

**Hosakawa Tito** · 06-12-2010, 01:48

Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

If it wasn't for straight people, there'd be no gay people.

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

....and for his next performance, The Amazing Hosa will need the services of one hen's egg and one chicken. May we have a volunteer from the audience?

I keep setting them up and Seamus hits them outta the park. Guess I'm a straight man in more ways than one, eh?

Actually, my astute observation

is atributed to gay pride fatigue. I'm rather tired of all the constant in your face and shouting it from the mountain top coming from some of the cross gender crowd. Apparently some are not as secure with this as all their shouting out would lead one to believe, or they wouldn't even go out of their way to bring it up. My reaction, okay you're gay so uh what's your point? I really don't care who you cuddle up with at night, as long as they're a consenting adult. Being a good parent definitely requires certain skills and personal characteristics, however, sexual orientation isn't one of them.

**Kadagar_AV** · 06-12-2010, 02:13

Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

I keep setting them up and Seamus hits them outta the park. Guess I'm a straight man in more ways than one, eh?

Actually, my astute observation

is atributed to gay pride fatigue. I'm rather tired of all the constant in your face and shouting it from the mountain top coming from some of the cross gender crowd. Apparently some are not as secure with this as all their shouting out would lead one to believe, or they wouldn't even go out of their way to bring it up. My reaction, okay you're gay so uh what's your point? I really don't care who you cuddle up with at night, as long as they're a consenting adult. Being a good parent definitely requires certain skills and personal characteristics, however, sexual orientation isn't one of them.

Kudos for the very last sentence.

As to the rest. If gays would have equal rights, I would also have some issues with the "gay pride". But let's face it, they do have some very real obstacles in their everyday life. I know a guy who was not allowed to visit his boyfriend (for the last 10 years) in hospital because... They were not family. Can you blame him for being on the barricade on gay peoples rights? Or can you blame people who might end up in the same situation, or even have an understanding of it?

"Gay pride fatigue", sure, when they have made their point come across. Until then, I as a very heterosexual being will fully support them. Not because it affects me, but because they are RIGHT.

If you are not a part in the solution, you are a part of the problem, no? Where does that leave you?

**PanzerJaeger** · 06-12-2010, 02:44

Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

Actually, my astute observation

is atributed to gay pride fatigue. I'm rather tired of all the constant in your face and shouting it from the mountain top coming from some of the cross gender crowd. Apparently some are not as secure with this as all their shouting out would lead one to believe, or they wouldn't even go out of their way to bring it up. My reaction, okay you're gay so uh what's your point? I really don't care who you cuddle up with at night, as long as they're a consenting adult. Being a good parent definitely requires certain skills and personal characteristics, however, sexual orientation isn't one of them.

Those uppitty negros in the 60's should have kept quiet, too. Hell, they weren't slaves anymore, and should have been thankful to be allowed to live in the dark recesses of our society.

I do so enjoy the rare occasions where I allow my heart to bleed.

**Centurion1** · 06-12-2010, 04:32

Yeah its annoying hosa I agree. So was malcolm x. But the point remains that they do have a reason for the actions.

As for this entire study its so........ like duh. A heterosexual couple adopting or using fertilization processes should be the only comparable factor to the gay couples not billy joe and leeann in 10th grade. So to be perfectly honest this means jack **** to me. We all knew this beforehand no one thinks homosexuals can't love, lol.

**Kadagar_AV** · 06-12-2010, 04:51

Originally Posted by Centurion1

Yeah its annoying hosa I agree. So was malcolm x. But the point remains that they do have a reason for the actions.

As for this entire study its so........ like duh. A heterosexual couple adopting or using fertilization processes should be the only comparable factor to the gay couples not billy joe and leeann in 10th grade. So to be perfectly honest this means jack **** to me. We all knew this beforehand no one thinks homosexuals can't love, lol.

Using asterisks much are we?

As I usually say to toddlers and less brained when trying to teach them - use your words. I am of course not implying you would be less brained.

As to the claim that We all knew this beforhand - as you said Billy Joe and Leeann might not. Not really arguing your point, just saying that those people are out there, and they have a political impact. Sometimes more of a political impact than one would wish. And yes, you could change Billy Joe to Jimmy Håkansson (or whatever national country bumpkin name).

And as a PS: Try and diminish the use of lol when you support me, it diminishes my point.

**Centurion1** · 06-12-2010, 04:59

I did use a word kadagar but I saved seamus the trouble of asterisking part of it out.

"Being pedantic doesn't make you more intelligent, it simply furthers your own self illusion of intelligence, pedanticism does not correlate to intelligence it correlates to an overinflated ego.

Which can be construed as using big words for the simple purpose of sounding more smart no make you smarter it makes you look like a donkey.

And being told by someone in english how they speak to "less brained" people makes me LOL

Anyway I do not agree with you kadagar I believe this study absolute rubbish anyone with an iq above 90 could tell you and a waste of money

**Kadagar_AV** · 06-12-2010, 05:20

Originally Posted by Centurion1

I did use a word kadagar but I saved seamus the trouble of asterisking part of it out.

"Being pedantic doesn't make you more intelligent, it simply furthers your own self illusion of intelligence, pedanticism does not correlate to intelligence it correlates to an overinflated ego.

Which can be construed as using big words for the simple purpose of sounding more smart no make you smarter it makes you look like a donkey.

And being told by someone in english how they speak to "less brained" people makes me LOL

Anyway I do not agree with you kadagar I believe this study absolute rubbish anyone with an iq above 90 could tell you and a waste of money

Straying away from topic much, are we?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

As to if the study was a waste of money... I disagree. When it is seen as normal that homosexuals can adopt, I will agree with you. But until then, I find this study very much valid.

**Centurion1** · 06-12-2010, 05:29

Would you like to take this conversation into russian or latin? I could meander through both. However, if you were a native speaker I would be very wary before insulting you in said language. (Especially russian, mát is an ugly ugly thing)