Intolerant Spain bans certain types of clothing

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well to play the devil's advocate (heh), burqa wearing Belgians are neighbours of Belgians who may find the burqa a reprehensible rag that goes against their societal norms -- essentially both bans amount to a sort of dress code in public places based on the associations these items of clothing (or un-clothing) provoke.

[Andres]

Well to play the devil's advocate (heh), burqa wearing Belgians are neighbours of Belgians who may find the burqa a reprehensible rag that goes against their societal norms -- essentially both bans amount to a sort of dress code in public places based on the associations these items of clothing (or un-clothing) provoke.

Exactly.

[Myrddraal]

Except one is a dress code enforced by a unanimous population on unwilling visitors, the other is a dress code enforced by a majority of citizens on a minority of citizens.

[Andres]

Except one is a dress code enforced by a unanimous population on unwilling visitors, the other is a dress code enforced by a majority of citizens on a minority of citizens.

So, we can forbid tourists to wear a burqua, but we can't forbid citizens to wear a burqua?

That's ridiculous.

[Andres]

The fundamental difference with the burqa ban in Belgium is that it is not aimed at restricting visitors, it is aimed at restricting a subsection of the population. Visitors are there on the tolerance of the population only. Belgian Muslims (should) have equal rights and respect under Belgian law as any other Belgian citizen.

But they have equal rights! And they have equal duties! I, a non Muslim Belgian citizen, am not allowed to wear a burqua either!

EDIT: just for the sake of being provocative: tourists are not citizens at all, and so their opinion does not directly count for anything in the law making process. You could of course consider Belgian Muslims to be second class citizens, who's opinions and culture do not figure in the law making process because they are not proper Belgians. (I know that isn't your point of view, from the previous thread, you consider yourself to be acting on behalf of Muslim women by banning the Burqa, that's a separate issue to the one you're raising here, i.e. whether it is justifiable in general to ban clothing)

So, you think it is possible for a country to impose all kinds of ridiculous bans on people, as long as the people they are being imposed on are not citizens of that country?

You didn't respond to my question about the Spanish tourist. Following your logic, if she would wear a bikini in a restaurant, she can't be fined because she is Spanish, but the Dutch lady wearing the exact same bikini in that very same restaurant, can be fined?

I'm confused.

[Rhyfelwyr]

But they have equal rights! And they have equal duties! I, a non Muslim Belgian citizen, am not allowed to wear a burqua either!

And if one day Muslims become a majority in Belgium and decide to ban pork and alcohol, then the Belgian Muslims won't be allowed them either. The same rules will apply to all of you! You'll all have equal rights, and equal duties!

So, you think it is possible for a country to impose all kinds of ridiculous bans on people, as long as the people they are being imposed on are not citizens of that country?

Of course. You don't have the right to work in any country you want do you? You leave your rights when you leave the country of your citizenship.