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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Except for Norway, which has an infinte ATM in the North Sea and consequently has much lower personal taxation than the rest of Northwest Europe.
    Art thou insane?

    The tax level for Norway is over 56.7%, according to this. Which beats the rest of Europe by a large margin.

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    should serve to minimize tax evasion (legal and otherwise) by the rich.
    Legal stuff won't ever reduce tax evasion by much; increasing tax morale is the only way. If people agree that their tax is appropriate, they will pay it. And people won't accept paying much more in taxes than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Art thou insane?

    The tax level for Norway is over 56.7%, according to this. Which beats the rest of Europe by a large margin.
    Nah, that's not really the most useful. For income taxes, check this wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

    Norway is well below the other social paradises of Northwest Europe. Most Norwegians, except those in very high income brackets, pay a measly 28% income tax. If I'm a good boy and die and go to heaven, I'll only ever have to pay 28% income tax ever again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Nah, that's not really the most useful. For income taxes, check this wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

    Norway is well below the other social paradises of Northwest Europe. Most Norwegians, except those in very high income brackets, pay a measly 28% income tax. If I'm a good boy and die and go to heaven, I'll only ever have to pay 28% income tax ever again.
    Yes, our income tax is much lower because we collect our tax in other ways.

    EDIT: Why on earth you care about "income tax" is beyond me really.... The only thing that matters is the total amount of tax paid, and paid by who. Just how that tax is collected is completely irrelevant when comparing taxation between countries.

    And Norway still beats all of you. Heck, a brit only pays two thirds of my tax....
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    Blimey I agree with HoreTore. I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room with a wet flannel on me head!

    No wait! I realise now that he's just growing up.
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    Blimey I agree with HoreTore. I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room with a wet flannel on me head!

    No wait! I realise now that he's just growing up.
    Growing up, getting selfish, same thing under the eyes of everyone anti-tax.

    I had my gf tell me after a day of working on a movie set that she was assigned to organizing and filing whatever the papers are called that deal with taxes for the crew working on the set. She noticed that one person was making $7,000 a week. The person was losing a little under half of it to taxes. My gf then proclaims **** taxes. Do people lose sight of what is going on here? 7,000 a week is $364,000 for a year. Take in account for a moment, that instead of a movie (which I believe usually has about 40-50ish days of on set working), the guy had a stable job with a steady year round paycheck. Half of that gone means the man is making 182,000 a year! This man is still making more then 90% of Americans and I get **** taxes?


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    No not selfish. Realistic.

    If someone's worth is $7,000 a week then it's right he/she gets the correct renumeration. I have no problem with that. One of the faults of communism is that it takes away incentive. Why get a job as, say, an oil tanker captain and get paid the same as the bog cleaner?

    As for taxes. My view is that it's a racket. Taking money from some people to give to oher people is, what's the word I'm struggling for here? Oh yes I remember, it's called stealing. When it involves punishment such as fines and imprisonment if you don't pay up....now your in Al Capone territory.

    Of course some taxation is necessary but punitive taxation is counter productive. I'm so pleased the scales have fallen from HoreTores eyes as he now advocates a flat rate tax. Good lad
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    Default Re: "Tax the rich!" - The dumbest slogan ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    As for taxes. My view is that it's a racket. Taking money from some people to give to oher people is, what's the word I'm struggling for here? Oh yes I remember, it's called stealing. When it involves punishment such as fines and imprisonment if you don't pay up....now your in Al Capone territory.
    Stealing? Damn, that means I must be a thief, or accessory to theft, as I'm studying across the country, going through college thanks to the Scholarship I get from the State, without which I could never study (Because I am in fact poor). I am most thankful to our thieving overlords, without whose thefts I could have never gotten the opportunities I have today.
    BLARGH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    No not selfish. Realistic.

    If someone's worth is $7,000 a week then it's right he/she gets the correct renumeration. I have no problem with that. One of the faults of communism is that it takes away incentive. Why get a job as, say, an oil tanker captain and get paid the same as the bog cleaner?

    As for taxes. My view is that it's a racket. Taking money from some people to give to oher people is, what's the word I'm struggling for here? Oh yes I remember, it's called stealing. When it involves punishment such as fines and imprisonment if you don't pay up....now your in Al Capone territory.

    Of course some taxation is necessary but punitive taxation is counter productive. I'm so pleased the scales have fallen from HoreTores eyes as he now advocates a flat rate tax. Good lad
    I was not arguing he should be paid less. I was simply annoyed at the sudden defiance towards taxes for having a man's standard of living not even drop.

    The authority of the government is derived from the consent of the governed. We have all consented to be ruled by the government in charge of the region in which we reside through a social contract. Therefor, the actions of the government cannot be called stealing. If you feel you can not consent to the government due to its actions, then renounce your citizenship and reside under another government.

    Comparing Al Capone to the government is absolutely nonsensical. AL Capone did not have the consent of the American people to rule over them and do as he judged should be done, the government does. Capone's actions violated people's rights since they did not consent to his actions whereas they have with the government. Everyone signs a social contract toward the government, Al Capone didn't have anyone sign any such contract to give him authority over their rights.

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    Default Re: "Tax the rich!" - The dumbest slogan ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Of course some taxation is necessary but punitive taxation is counter productive. I'm so pleased the scales have fallen from HoreTores eyes as he now advocates a flat rate tax. Good lad

    Why are so many people equating high taxation with flat taxation? Saying that punitive taxation is counter productive is not the same as saying that progressive taxes are bad/good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Blimey I agree with HoreTore. I'm going to have a lie down in a darkened room with a wet flannel on me head!

    No wait! I realise now that he's just growing up.
    Wow. Busy thread.

    He is, but his ideology will bind him to his current thinking. This thread will likely confirm biases and prevent any real maturation.


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