Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Beskar]

Right, from the looks of things, the game is almost over for mafia victory. We can guarentee town victory within 4 rounds, if we get a mafia today or tomorrow. By the looks of the write-up, there is an estimate of 3 mafia, Peppy, 3 town left unchecked. This is assuming the mafia are Andross, Gorgon and Shogun Driod (the two recent editions)

The non-investigated:
Wideeyewanderer (anti-wolf)
Chaotix (anti-wolf)
Death is Yonder (anti-wolf)
Autolycus (lurker, anti-wolf)
ATPGood (lurker)
hell_hound (epic lurker)
Miotas (epic lurker)

Since miotas and hell_hound are lurking really badly, I will take a gamble and say these two are probably town.

This leaves the 5 above them to be 3 of the mafia, ??? and Peppy. If Peppy steps forward, this would easily narrow it down to the 3 mafia and either the last being a town or ???.

Perfect Information Syndrome much?

It is in the write-up, plus I know Pizza very well. I can put 1+1 together.

[Beskar]

As I already mentioned, and others have commented on, the anti-wolf bandwagon looks like a mafia attempt, especially considering the latest write-up pretty much commented that there are 3 mafia.

I would like Peppy to reveal himself, because there is a good chance we can win. Especially as I think Peppy might have attacked Pigma. If Peppy is one of the top four, this mean this day phase we can lynch one of the other three, then possibly ??? and Peppy attack the other two and I investigate another. This would leave hell_hound and miotas unaccounted for, so if me and peppy die, it leaves the town two suspects.

The reason I say that, is because Double A talked about a vigilente action last round, so I am guessing/hoping that means Peppy can do this.

[Choxorn]

I love how your story never stops changing, Beskar. Yesteday, you said there were only 6 people you didn't know, including pevergreen and the now-WoG'd shlin. Now there are 7. If you had investigated last round, there should be 3. For that matter, there are 18 people still alive right now, so you not knowing 7 isn't even possible if you've investigated every night. You should know your 10 investigations and Khazaar at the very least, and that's if you didn't know any teammates at the start. Why all the lies and contradictions?

[Beskar]

That is pretty obvious, Choxorn. If you read earlier, I said about "undisclosed uninvestigated". That is on purpose. So the mafia didn't just target all the confirmed innocents, as there was a chance they could have took out Miotas, Hell_hound or ATPGood.

Just because I am a mafia tactician which means I don't play all my cards at once, doesn't make me untrustworthy, quite the opposite. The town can trust me as they know I won't give the game away to the mafia. If I told the complete truth, it would aid the mafia more than the town.

Also, look at the list of names: "Lurkers, CFC and Replacements"

I pretty much told the town who to look at without completely revealing anyway. As the missing names were infact, CFC lurkers.

[Choxorn]

hell hound is a CFC'er, miotas and ATPGood aren't.

Also, like I said, do the math. Assuming you can actually determine exactly who someone's role is by investigation, and have used this ability every night, there's no way you can not know that many people, adding that you know Khazaar, your 4 teammates, and 10 investigations, unless a bunch of them have died already.

[Beskar]

hell hound is a CFC'er, miotas and ATPGood aren't.

Also, like I said, do the math. Assuming you can actually determine exactly who someone's role is by investigation, and have used this ability every night, there's no way you can not know that many people, adding that you know Khazaar, your 4 teammates, and 10 investigations, unless a bunch of them have died already.

There are 18 people.

Star Wolf
4 are Star Wolf (Leon, Panther, Pigma and Andrew)
2 comfirmed Cornerian
4 confirmed Venomians
= 11 people

I listed the 7 unconfirmed.
3 are mafia
1 is Peppy
3 are town.

Hell_hound and Miotas are most likely town (WoG bait)
There is one I suspect of being Peppy.
This leaves 4 who might be mafia.


edit: forgot to add Nightbringer as the 4th Venomian

[Beskar]

By the way, ignore any posts by the 5 prime suspects, unless one of them reveals they are Peppy. The mafia know they are in trouble and attempting to get me lynched.

At a guess though, Wideeye might be Cornerian (Some one in Star Wolf who think so, I however, think it is most likely ATPGood being the townie), I think DIY is Peppy. This would leave Autolycus, Chaotix and ATPGood being the mafia.

Chaotix probably did the error, and therefore is Andross. Since he was the only one who posted after Frozen in Ice in the last page, and the current guesstimate is having DIY as not being the mafia.

ATPGood/Wideeyewander and Autolycus are most likely his mafia partners.

That is my educated guess. Anyone else feel free to contribute.

[Beskar]

Vote: Chaotix

For reasons in the last post.

[Romanic]

There are 17 people.

Star Wolf
4 are Star Wolf (Leon, Panther, Pigma and Andrew)
2 comfirmed Cornerian
3 confirmed Venomians
= 10 people

I listed the 7 unconfirmed.
3 are mafia
1 is Peppy
3 are town.

Hell_hound and Miotas are most likely town (WoG bait)
There is one I suspect of being Peppy.
This leaves 4 who might be mafia.

The above does not work - there's 18 players left alive.

5 Star Wolf
2 confirmed Cornerians
3 confirmed Venomians
--
10

7 unconfirmed.

Total of 17. Who are you missing? Please fix.

[Beskar]

Total of 17. Who are you missing? Please fix.

Sorry about that, 4 Venomians** Forgot to include Nightbringer in the number.

Anyway, I am comfortable with a Chaotix or Autolycus lynch, as my gut feeling is on those two.

The last mafia is between ATPGood and wideeyewander.



edit: Won't be here for the next 22 hours. If i am luckly, I might be able to check the thread in around 8-9 hours time before work.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Beskar

I'm not even going to bother responding. I laid out my case yesterday, but you continue to spout yet a new web of lies.

The reason we have not found the mafia is not because you haven't investigated them yet. It's because YOU are the mafia.

I find it hilarious how all of a sudden everyone who is against Wolf must be mafia.

Let's bring Star Wolf down once and for all.

[Beskar]

The reason we have not found the mafia is not because you haven't investigated them yet. It's because YOU are the mafia.

I find it hilarious how all of a sudden everyone who is against Wolf must be mafia.

Let's bring Star Wolf down once and for all.

Because the mafia obviously want to get me lynched, which is pretty obvious. The reason they didn't kill us last night was to continue with this argument, it is a transparent attempt. This also exemplied by the fact two people supporting me were attacked, but unfortunately for the mafia, one of the people supporting me were already dead.

[Chaotix]

Because the mafia obviously want to get me lynched, which is pretty obvious. The reason they didn't kill us last night was to continue with this argument, it is a transparent attempt. This also exemplied by the fact two people supporting me were attacked, but unfortunately for the mafia, one of the people supporting me were already dead.

The fact that your whole defense is based on WIFOM makes me even less inclined to argue.

This whole game you've been touting yourself as pro-town, and yet you have NOTHING to show for it but the Pinman lynch- which you have been using as a crutch to ride out the rest of the game.

[naut]

I love how your story never stops changing, Beskar.

It's unbelievable. At this stage I really don't care anymore. We've had another failed lynch yesterday. Beskar is leading he show, and the show is failing. Therefore he should go.

It's pretty obvious that Beskar and his cronies played a role in Star Fox's teams downfall, either deliberately or accidentally by being loose with information. So Peppy, DO NOT REVEAL TO BESKAR!

[Nightbringer]

It's unbelievable. At this stage I really don't care anymore. We've had another failed lynch yesterday. Beskar is leading he show, and the show is failing. Therefore he should go.

At this point we don't have time to care whether the show is failing, the show isnt andross. What other objective might star wolf have that would be worth getting rid of him before andross? even if us killing andross leads to star wolf winning over the town somehow (I don't see how this would work), does it really matter. our primary objective is to kill andross, lets do that then deal with any other issues. Beskar is giving us leads towards andross when no one else is so i say follow that. what is the worst that can happen? we lynch another town, we would be very likely to dot hat anyway without other leads and lynching beskar would just remove a strong anti andross role, whether or not he is pro town.

[pevergreen]

what is the worst that can happen? we lynch another town, we would be very likely to dot hat anyway without other leads and lynching beskar would just remove a strong anti andross role, whether or not he is pro town.

Worst that happens:

Star Wolf victory

Lynching probable townie - lynching probably anti town

[Nightbringer]

Worst that happens:

Star Wolf victory

Lynching probable townie - lynching probably anti town

But Star Wolf victory would not prevent town victory. Town victory comes from defeating the mafia. The mafia is andross. And Star Wolf is neutral, which is far from anti town. He is the same as the venomians. being a venomian, i know that all we want is to outnumber the cornarians.

unvote; vote: autolycus

[Double A]

which Romanic/Falco chose out of the likely candidates. I said these are the uninvestigated, never claimed they are mafia. There are bound to be errors. I never said to lynch you, I have said the opposite. In otherwards, quit being a fool.


Show isn't failinng at all, if it follows my lead, we can win by tomorrow. I think that is a very good result. especially since I have stopped proven innocents from being lynched as well.



That is incorrect as Star Fox revealed themselves by themselves. Stop trying to hinder the town efforts to stop the mafia.

I was the only Star Fox member who revealed without a reason other than to reveal themselves. Beefy was being lynched, and whoever Kat Monroe was lost their PVC or something, so they decided to die. Roman KINDA DIED, so his reveal wasn't voluntary.

[Beskar]

It's unbelievable. At this stage I really don't care anymore. We've had another failed lynch yesterday.

which Romanic/Falco chose out of the likely candidates. I said these are the uninvestigated, never claimed they are mafia. There are bound to be errors. I never said to lynch you, I have said the opposite. In otherwards, quit being a fool.

Beskar is leading he show, and the show is failing. Therefore he should go.

Show isn't failinng at all, if it follows my lead, we can win by tomorrow. I think that is a very good result. especially since I have stopped proven innocents from being lynched as well.

It's pretty obvious that Beskar and his cronies played a role in Star Fox's teams downfall, either deliberately or accidentally by being loose with information. So Peppy, DO NOT REVEAL TO BESKAR!

That is incorrect as Star Fox revealed themselves by themselves. Stop trying to hinder the town efforts to stop the mafia.

[autolycus]

Well, looks like it's time for me to reveal.

Right, from the looks of things, the game is almost over for mafia victory. We can guarentee town victory within 4 rounds, if we get a mafia today or tomorrow. By the looks of the write-up, there is an estimate of 3 mafia, Peppy, 3 town left unchecked. This is assuming the mafia are Andross, Gorgon and Shogun Driod (the two recent editions)

The non-investigated:
Wideeyewanderer (anti-wolf)
Chaotix (anti-wolf)
Death is Yonder (anti-wolf)
Autolycus (lurker, anti-wolf)
ATPGood (lurker)
hell_hound (epic lurker)
Miotas (epic lurker)

Since miotas and hell_hound are lurking really badly, I will take a gamble and say these two are probably town.

This leaves the 5 above them to be 3 of the mafia, ??? and Peppy. If Peppy steps forward, this would easily narrow it down to the 3 mafia and either the last being a town or ???.

There's one problem with this idea you're trying to sell us, Beskar. Namely, that I'm none of those five. I happen to be General Pepper. Now how about you be a good little mercenary and die. I think you know darn well who ??? is because I think he's one of your people. You cannot be allowed to raid us from the asteroids any longer.
Vote: Beskar

[pevergreen]

Ghost double innocent pever suggests voting for Beskar.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Vote: Autolycus

Beskar has not accomplished much, but to be honest we made our bed and need to see it through.

[TheFlax]

Vote: Autolycus

Beskar has not accomplished much, but to be honest we made our bed and need to see it through.

Voting for someone who claims General Pepper?

Hmmm, this makes me think, while you are not on Beskar's list, we have no idea what you are...

Vote: CDF

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Voting for someone who claims General Pepper?

Hmmm, this makes me think, while you are not on Beskar's list, we have no idea what you are...

Vote: CDF

wait when did he claim that? I will be honest, I mostly skimmed the thread.


edit: ahhhhhhhhh right above my post. cool

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Unvote: Autolycus, Vote: WideyedWanderer


right. I will actually read through the page before voting next time. Going to take a nap now.

[miotas]

Vote: CDF