Tea Party funds Obama as Hitler/Lennon message, walks it back

[Centurion1]

Don't throw out ideas that have absolutely no basis in fact and are personally repugnant. Republicans freed the south. Republican forced integration of public schools. Democrats formed the kkk.

[HoreTore]

Don't throw out ideas that have absolutely no basis in fact and are personally repugnant. Republicans freed the south. Republican forced integration of public schools. Democrats formed the kkk.

"Personally repugnant".....?

BTW, I don't see anyone who has disproved my idea, which was that voting for one party may not be actual support for one policy, but may instead be disapproval of another policy. The British political scene is perhaps the best example of this(BNP/Labour).

[Centurion1]

No horetore I'm talking about your basless claim that republican congressmen are in the kkk and that therefore we the voters who put them there are accepting of that

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don't throw out ideas that have absolutely no basis in fact and are personally repugnant. Republicans freed the south. Republican forced integration of public schools. Democrats formed the kkk.

Yes, and Sasaki Kojiro is dead.

[Louis VI the Fat]

(Part of) the Klan endorsed Obama: 'White Christian Supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan has endorsed Barack Obama to be the next President of the United States of America'. http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?a=1227&c=117






This means that like the Tea Party, the KKK is not racist.


Slightly more seriously: It does show that political lunacy is not solely focused on skin colour. The Clintons, both Will and Hill, received pretty much the same treatment from the loony right as Obama does. Full of conspiracies, and the end to freedom and the American Way and blahblahblah.

Bush was said to be a power-grabbing fascist maniac by many groups on the left. This too was taking it too far, and was clear conspirational bollox: it was Cheney who was the power-grabbing fascist maniac.


Conspirational thinking is simply a constant in American politics. There is always some mighty force out to destroy America through some devilish plot.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Conspirational thinking is simply a constant in American politics. There is always some mighty force out to destroy America through some devilish plot.

Quiet you fool! There are Republicans watching this thread...

[HoreTore]

No horetore I'm talking about your basless claim that republican congressmen are in the kkk and that therefore we the voters who put them there are accepting of that

That had absolutely zero to do with my point.

Please try again.

[Hosakawa Tito]

This thread smacks of profiling....party profiling....that's illegal and unconstitutional.

[CountArach]

Don't throw out ideas that have absolutely no basis in fact and are personally repugnant. Republicans freed the south. Republican forced integration of public schools. Democrats formed the kkk.

The insinuation here being that it was a formation of the Party, which clearly has no basis in fact. Further, the Democratic Party of the post Civil War 1860-70s South is NOTHING at all like the modern Democratic Party.

[PanzerJaeger]

I think Centurion's point is that the modern Republican Party is NOTHING like it was described by our friend from Norway.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Just wanted to point out that the South had already began switching from Democratic to Republican in the 1960s before Nixon's "Southern strategy" because they saw their racist views as cause for "irreconcilable differences" between them and the pushing of Civil Rights under Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson. (link in this text).

Also just another note, someone said that a Republican forced integration of public schools. That's false. The Brown vs. Board of Education ruling occurred during Republican Eisenhower's administration, but the Federal government did nothing to enforce it under his administration. It was only until the Civil Rights movement had gained enough strength in the early 1960s to push Democratic president John F. Kennedy administration that the Federal government should send Federal troops to get the Southern states in line. Perfect example is the "Stand in the Schoolhouse Door". (link in text)

[HoreTore]

I think Centurion's point is that the modern Republican Party is NOTHING like it was described by our friend from Norway.

......Which wasn't my actual point, ya know....

It's pretty damn obvious to me that african americans don't all vote democrat because Obama's father is african, as they voted for Bill Clinton too. Further, it seems highly unlikely for a party to have such high support against a single demographic like that, unless they get a lot of votes from people who prefer them simply because the other guy is the bigger idiot. 91%? That's a kind of number you see in "elections" run in dictatorships. No, the reason why 91% of african americans support Obama must be in part because the other guy(republicans) are much, much worse in their opinion.

Just like a few non-fascist Brits voted for the BNP because they hate both Labour and the Tories. And I'm sure the same applies for the teabaggers.

[PanzerJaeger]

......Which wasn't my actual point, ya know....

It's pretty damn obvious to me that african americans don't all vote democrat because Obama's father is african, as they voted for Bill Clinton too. Further, it seems highly unlikely for a party to have such high support against a single demographic like that, unless they get a lot of votes from people who prefer them simply because the other guy is the bigger idiot. 91%? That's a kind of number you see in "elections" run in dictatorships. No, the reason why 91% of african americans support Obama must be in part because the other guy(republicans) are much, much worse in their opinion.

Just like a few non-fascist Brits voted for the BNP because they hate both Labour and the Tories. And I'm sure the same applies for the teabaggers.

Well, a couple of us on this board identify with Republicans so when you make claims about KKK membership, especially when it was in fact a Democrat to whom you were referring, you can expect to get a bit of a reaction.

Also, African-American block voting has several causes, none of which are particularly well reasoned.

[Megas Methuselah]

So blacks whose families have lived in America for hundreds of years have the same past as recent Hispanic immigrants from Latin America? Yeah, let's just lump all minorities' experience together as being the same because they're not white.

It wasn't my intention for you to reach that conclusion from my statement, but ok, fine sure. I guess I could have worded it differently.

[Centurion1]

Democrats get the black vote for three major reasons.

1. The majority of blacks live in urban areas, urban voters overwhelmingly vote democrat.
2. The democratic party has campaigned vigorously for the black vote and that of other minorities by promising them everything under the sun.
3. Economically and demogrqphically african americans have lower incomes, which means they are (this is a bit stereotyped) poorer. Those in abject poverty often vote for the democrats.

Horetore you said what you said don't deny it and act like I'm talking about something else, when you say something like republicans senators and congressmen are often outed as kkk members it is hard to misconstrue.

Actually acin it was eisenhower who ordered in the us army airborne to force the school to desegragate by first allowing that young girl brown into the previously white school. But yes I agree he did it with trepidation but it does not change the fact he did do it.

Horetore what was that last comment even supposed to mean? Clinton was a democrat to for gods sake.

[CountArach]

1. The majority of blacks live in urban areas, urban voters overwhelmingly vote democrat.

That's not an explanation, because you don't explain why urban voters are Democratic. You are swapping two causes over to explain one effect.

2. The democratic party has campaigned vigorously for the black vote and that of other minorities by promising them everything under the sun.

That and Republicans have tried to take their sun away.

3. Economically and demogrqphically african americans have lower incomes, which means they are (this is a bit stereotyped) poorer. Those in abject poverty often vote for the democrats.

Not so - The key graphs are the bottom two. Race plays a huge part in the polarised South. Outside of the South it is true that lower income groups tend to favour Democrats, but inside the South there is a stark difference along racial lines.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Actually acin it was eisenhower who ordered in the us army airborne to force the school to desegragate by first allowing that young girl brown into the previously white school. But yes I agree he did it with trepidation but it does not change the fact he did do it.

Well if we are talking about assigning political points here by examining which party was the first to start desegregation, then you can't really tout Republicans for being the first to desegregate when the fact is that if they could then they would have refused. Supreme Court mandated it, so Eisenhower against his wishes followed, and made no attempt to press the issue further into actual laws like the Democrats did under Kennedy and Johnson. In this case we need to scrap talking about "the first to enforce desegregation" entirely as a point since it was obvious that the first didn't want to and those that "copied" the policy actually did want to.

[HoreTore]

Horetore you said what you said don't deny it and act like I'm talking about something else, when you say something like republicans senators and congressmen are often outed as kkk members it is hard to misconstrue.

What on earth are you on? I have already stated that I had robert byrd mixed up, why are you still discussing this...?

Horetore what was that last comment even supposed to mean? Clinton was a democrat to for gods sake.

Yes, he most certainly is... Which kinda fits together with my point being based on him being a democrat....hmmm.....


And I shall once again bend over and present my goods to the God of polling statistics, CountArach. May he never realize there's more to life than studiyng voting polls!

[Skullheadhq]

(Part of) the Klan endorsed Obama: 'White Christian Supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan has endorsed Barack Obama to be the next President of the United States of America'. http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?a=1227&c=117

Oh my, I love those shades and that vintage KKK uniform is so 2010. But seriously, what makes Hillary worse for the KKK than Obama?

[Vladimir]

Look at the sign though. How can you take them seriously?