Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[wideyedwanderer]

Except Beskar didn't make that suggestion. The accusations against Beskar are half sensible (DiY) and half so off -base or over the top (you, Psychonaut) that I'm convinced they must be coming from mafia.

And now Peppy is outed too? *sigh*

I would probably lynch WEW today, given Beskar one last chance. But if that's not going to happen, how about instead of lynching Beskar we lynch Secura? She's clearly on his team, but she's not Star Wolf herself. If the team has gone over, wouldn't she be just as good? And less valuable if this is all just a massive townie screwup.

Thanks for your input, Renata, but really, you've done enough already. (Helping lynch Rob64, continuously suggest lynching me, who was supported by Double A to be a Cornerian.)

Dude, I'm a dead Cornerian. Good point, though.

Then why do you continue to try and hinder our efforts? I've said a thousand times since the beginning of the game I was Cornerian. Even team Star Wolf thinks I'm likely Cornerian, despite the fact that I've been vehemently against Star Wolf.

Posted by Beskar a couple pages back:

At a guess though, Wideeye might be Cornerian (Some one in Star Wolf who think so, I however, think it is most likely ATPGood being the townie), I think DIY is Peppy. This would leave Autolycus, Chaotix and ATPGood being the mafia.

Regarding WEW, I suppose he may be a good lynch. All he's done recently is add fuel to the fire of my concerns about Beskar, perhaps falling in line with what Beskar describes as "mafia intentionally coming after me".

Regardless, a better lynch that Auto I would surmise, unless there is a legitimate counter-claim.

Unvote: Autolycus
Vote: wideeyedwanderer

And Beskar, if you argue about how nonsensical this is, consider how the town gave you the benefit of the doubt once you revealed and laid your cards on the table. Unless of course, you would like to counter his counter claims within reason.

@Auto: Would you mind giving a more substantiated claim? Right now all we're seeing is someone who got put into the limelight simply passing a name to the general public and hoping that will get him through. Granted we'll give you that, but we need substantiation and reason to let you live, other than just a simple mention of a name that appeared a few times in the write ups and may end up just being fluff that was used for mafia to false-claim.

DIY, you presented the arguments for Beskar being scummy better than anyone. And then you go and retract your arguments, and turn on me? You presented great logic for the case against Beskar, but still refuse to vote for him, and then you vote for me on a whim? Without even looking at the case? You do realize that's exactly what Beskar and the mafia want you to do, right? I've been trying to support the case against Beskar, because I truly believe him to be acting selfishly and not having the best interests of the town. So when I get lynched and you see that I'm Cornerian, what will you do then? With each Cornerian we lose, team Star Wolf is one step closer to their victory. I'm beginning to wonder if we even have enough Cornerians alive to win.

I don't even care if I get lynched. I don't see how the town can pull out of this one.

[Secura]

who was supported by Double A to be a Cornerian.

Actually, I thought Double A's scan was for neutrality only; if you turn up with "non-neutral", it either means you're a member of Star Fox, one of the misc named roles (Bill Grey, Katt Munroe and such), Cornerian or you're Andross/mafia.

[wideyedwanderer]

Actually, I thought Double A's scan was for neutrality only; if you turn up with "non-neutral", it either means you're a member of Star Fox, one of the misc named roles, Cornerian or you're Andross/mafia.

Yes, it's true, but if you take a look at the case on me (go back to the start of the game, if you like), I think you'll see that I'm obviously Cornerian. Or have Beskar investigate me, and then you'll see what I've been telling you all along. Or just lynch me, and you'll see that too. I've got nothing to hide.

[Secura]

Or have Beskar investigate me, and then you'll see what I've been telling you all along.

He can't investigate anyone if he's lynched though, haha. :P

Seriously though, you're already listed as a known quantity, I see no reason to waste an investigation on you when there's still other players we've got no idea about.

[Double A]

Actually, I thought Double A's scan was for neutrality only; if you turn up with "non-neutral", it either means you're a member of Star Fox, one of the misc named roles (Bill Grey, Katt Munroe and such), Cornerian or you're Andross/mafia.

He's new-ish still, and what I can tell he acts like I did when I was new, but with less spam.

[wideyedwanderer]

He can't investigate anyone if he's lynched though, haha. :P

Seriously though, you're already listed as a known quantity, I see no reason to waste an investigation on you when there's still other players we've got no idea about.

That's what I've been wanting to say. I also don't see a reason to lynch me, when there are other players out there who could be the mafia we're searching for. But hey, if anyone wants to lynch me, go right ahead. I've made a decent attempt to stop you, so at least I know I did my part. I've got nothing to lose.

[Death is yonder]

Thanks for your input, Renata, but really, you've done enough already. (Helping lynch Rob64, continuously suggest lynching me, who was supported by Double A to be a Cornerian.)

Hmm okay then. Didn't catch that.

Then why do you continue to try and hinder our efforts? I've said a thousand times since the beginning of the game I was Cornerian. Even team Star Wolf thinks I'm likely Cornerian, despite the fact that I've been vehemently against Star Wolf.

Posted by Beskar a couple pages back:





DIY, you presented the arguments for Beskar being scummy better than anyone. And then you go and retract your arguments, and turn on me? You presented great logic for the case against Beskar, but still refuse to vote for him, and then you vote for me on a whim? Without even looking at the case? You do realize that's exactly what Beskar and the mafia want you to do, right? I've been trying to support the case against Beskar, because I truly believe him to be acting selfishly and not having the best interests of the town. So when I get lynched and you see that I'm Cornerian, what will you do then? With each Cornerian we lose, team Star Wolf is one step closer to their victory. I'm beginning to wonder if we even have enough Cornerians alive to win.

You do notice that I've been basically suggesting that not lynch Beskar, but don't trust him wholeheartedly? Yes true, I didn't look at the case, I was formulating my own opinion based on your actions this round. I admit I've forgotten (if) Double A advocated you as a Cornelian, but its late, and I'm in a hurry.

I don't even care if I get lynched. I don't see how the town can pull out of this one.

Why can I not have five seconds to reply to a post, DiY? I'm not ignoring the implied accusation, because I generally don't have a clue what you're trying to say. :S

Sorry, but I'm in a rush. The location I'm in shuts off the internet at 12 midnight my time, around 30ish minutes ago (you can ask Beskar about it). The only reason I'm still on is that there are still questions unanswered and I managed to borrow a mobile broadband device. [Plus I have a long day tomorrow, more than 5 1/2 hours of sleep would be greatly appreciated].

Well, basically I've been implying that Beskar/Team Star wolf have their own hidden agenda. Your confusion over this matter [secondary goals] likely signifies that:

No.1: Beskar is keeping mum about it
No.2: Not even telling a recruit/core player about his personal goals, evidently something to hide
No.3: Suggests that my accusation of Beskar likely needs to be refined to a personal secondary/primary goal.
No.4: Furthermore, the fact that the team all has differing personal goals increasingly the likelihood that Beskar's was a personal vendetta with Fox that needed to be settled [Hmm odd options]

WEW: In case your still wondering why I'm not lynching Beskar, is that potential fall-out is great. The loss side of the scale could be pretty substantial, yet the gains were hypothetical, as my accusation is that Beskar has a hidden agenda, simply that he should not be trusted 100% on suspicion of working towards his own personal interests. to address the issue of people treated Beskar like a full-blown pro-town role.

You have entirely misread this; autolycus' claimed ability isn't to stop people from becoming neutral, it's to stop them from becoming one of Andross' playthings.

Doesn't really state that explicitly Secura. Understandably I'll have to remain objective when referring to Auto's role, and understandably, I don't have the background information you have. Furthermore, naturally your inclined to choose the option that doesn't damn your team

Its my take on the matter, if you read one of the brackets, its just an idea that popped into my head that seemed to click, because then it would explain why Beskar continually nudged forward pro-town roles, highlighted the replacements (looked where that got Choxorn), and now calls for Peppy to reveal himself, (with so many players alive still, that would be virtual suicide, its unreasonable, considering the only team star wolf member revealed (explicitly) is Beskar, and (highly likely) you. Additionally, it would even explain why Beskar wanted Autolycus dead without explanation, not even citing an investigation, merely asking for trust.

Surely you can understand that from my point of view, the nature of all these coincidences and possible links would give rise to a belief in said conclusion, as it manages to address all the issues IMO?

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Anyway:

Unvote: Wideeyedwander

Since I apparently missed what Double A said. And I also want to go to bed

Vote: Alexander the Pretty Good

Hasn't been around much, hasn't been WoG'd, unknown quantity too, plus his conformist behavior in the early rounds struck me as odd too.

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Meh apologies if these aren't satisfactory enough/doesn't cover everything, but I got a >12 hour day in front of me, and I need to wake up in <5 1/2 hours.

Just leave a query, I'll try and answer when I get back.



Reminder: Beskar, please investigate Autolycus

[Death is yonder]

In any event in case its not clear (rambling at late hours), my main driving point is that Beskar currently doesn't seem like the best lynch at the immediate moment.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Not much for a plain old Venomian townie to do in a game like this; I've mostly been following what Beskar and Romanic suggested since they seemed to know what they are doing but that's not turned out super hot.

[Secura]

Sorry, but I'm in a rush. The location I'm in shuts off the internet at 12 midnight my time, around 30ish minutes ago (you can ask Beskar about it). The only reason I'm still on is that there are still questions unanswered and I managed to borrow a mobile broadband device. [Plus I have a long day tomorrow, more than 5 1/2 hours of sleep would be greatly appreciated].

It's fine, I'll respond anyway as I feel that your efforts thus far deserve it and because it falls to me to do so in Beskar's absence.

Doesn't really state that explicitly Secura. Understandably I'll have to remain objective when referring to Auto's role, and understandably, I don't have the background information you have. Furthermore, naturally your inclined to choose the option that doesn't damn your team

While I understand your stance, I must stress that Star Wolf has never had the ability to convert Cornerians into Venomians or anything else like that; we were only able to recruit two characters that have been members of Star Wolf at some point.

now calls for Peppy to reveal himself

I believe that this is a foolish endeavour as well.

Additionally, it would even explain why Beskar wanted Autolycus dead without explanation, not even citing an investigation, merely asking for trust.

I don't think that he has any investigation result for autolycus, though; we should know by the end of the night, anyway.

Surely you can understand that from my point of view, the nature of all these coincidences and possible links would give rise to a belief in said conclusion, as it manages to address all the issues IMO?

I can understand everything yes, but as I have said, everything is merely coincidence from my own perspective; I cannot really speak for the rest of the team on that one, however.

[Renata]

Double A did not clear you, WEW. He scanned you as non-neutral. This has been covered over and over again (granted, half the time the wrong way around, but still).

[Double A]

There's at most 3 mafia, so... whatever. Maybe Beskie should scan him if they have a "Venomian/mafia or Corneian" scanner (for clarification, mine is "Corneian/mafia or neutral")

[Beskar]

There's at most 3 mafia, so... whatever. Maybe Beskie should scan him if they have a "Venomian/mafia or Corneian" scanner (for clarification, mine is "Corneian/mafia or neutral")

I am the only investigator.

Seriously guys, this is annoying. There are 7 uninvestigated and three mafia. Also, stop telling me to investigate everyone and say to lynch me in the next breath. I like the comments which go "What have you done Wolf" by people who haven't even contributed to the game, while I narrowed it down to seven suspects. (Even funnier when some of those only contribution to the game was killing their own team members)

Also, when am I meant to be investigating all these General Pepper's, Peppy's, townie cornerians/venomians, or Wog Bait? I do not have seven turns, as we will lose.

Those seven have to die, I don't care if they claim the Queen of England. 3 Mafia are within those seven, so you are either going to have them lynched or killed for the greater good anyway.

Stop flaffing around trying to purposefully lose this game, and get killing the mafia suspects. Stop being carebears.

Only free card I will give is Peppy. General Pepper could easily be a false role claim, the thing is, I don't know. Who do you want me to lynch instead?

Wideeyewanderer - "but he might be cornerian, investigate him!"
Chaotix - "he claims venomian, investigate him!"
autolycus - "he claims generalpepper, zomg conspiracy!!"
DIY - "I am simple cornerian, don't kill me!"
ATPGood - "I am simple venomian, don't kill me!"
hell_hound/miotas - WoG Bait.

Unvote; Vote: ATPGood - invalid vote
If he is not the mafia, I am blaming all you damn annoying objectors, from preventing us from winning the game.

I am going to re-read from the beginning of the game.

[Double A]

Just lynch miotas then.