Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[naut]

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer

Yep.

vote: nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote:autolycus

Its time to finish this, scum. You've been riding a trail of trust ever since you made that fake role-claim as general pepper. I don't need to go over everything that makes it clear that the details are fake, as that has already been made clear to everyone.
The motivations for faking the claim are obvious, you are mafia.
You came up with the role of General Pepper based on info you had and because of some lucky guesses you made about the nature of this character.
You knew only venomians could be converted from your mafia quick-topic and used this to claim an ability that sounds reasonable, but is completely redundant because cornarians simply cannot be converted to begin with.

You chose general pepper because he appears to be a character in the game but he is not
The evidence of this is that General Pepper has not been taking part in actions, he has merely been advising Cornarians what to do. He is present in the write-ups, but in a very different way from all the other roles. Never have we seen the Bloodhound take part in the fighting, never has General Pepper blasted away at any ships or flown in with the team, he is just the voice in the background, much like James Wolf. Every other role in the game has taken some kind of direct action.
You took advantage of general peppers presence and guessed based on the factors above that he was an NPC, and so you took the role as your cover.

Now, lets analyze voting
[QUOTE=Romanic;2526847]
Let's go back again to the bad guys votes:

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(living players are highlighted in red)

merciary/Chaotix : abstain, civplayah, no vote, no vote, no vote, hell_hound, Khazaar, wideyedwanderer, no vote, Beskar, Beskar, autolycus

Winston/civplayah: JHT, civplayah, no vote, no vote, Beefy, Khazaar, no vote, no vote, pevergreen, no vote, Chaotix

Pinman: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar

Skooma: Double A, civplayah, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, Miotas

TheFlax: no lynch, Renata, Krill, Pinman, Seon, Beefy, Khazaar, Diana, Krill, pevergreen, ATPGood, Chaotix

***

We can see that the only times mafia voted for autolycus is when an irreversible bandwagon came down on them. With the safety of being the for sure lynch Pinman and Chaotix voted their undercover man autolycus to attempt to give him some credibility.

Here is autolycus voting history

A vote analysis would be useful to get a better prespective. Especially of the three confirmed Mafia.
Auto: remake20 (second), Nictel (only), shlin28 (third), Pinman (middle), hell_hound (only), Khazaar (only),
Frozen (third), ATPGood (third), Chaotix (middle)

ALSO: Voted by Pinman once

We can see that he has voted for Pinman, Khazaar, and Chaotix.
The chaotix and Pinman votes are irrelevant because they were bandwagoned so badly it didn't matter and all the mafia voted for them.
The Khazaar vote was during the Beeefy Bandwagon, which is odd, but perhaps he just wasn't paying attention.
More likely though, he was recently recruited, possibly right before his fake claim as general pepper.
In fact, he could have been recruited AT ANY TIME during the game because he was never scanned.

Here's a list of the scan status from Beskar's posts from yesterday:

Autolycus - ?Claimed General Pepper? - [COLOR=DarkOrange]Unscanned

I hope this isn't too full of typos and such, but I believe it can stand as proof to my loyal cornarian allies that auto is the scum we need to get rid of.
If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???
but it is certainly worse than just killing him now and ending this thing once and for all.

[Secura]

If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???

The very same situation applies to you though.

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer

Now is the time for a proper reveal of your role PM, auto; this is the final lynch of the game and it apparantly boils down to you or Nightbringer.

Anything you can provide that will help people decide would help, obviously.

[autolycus]

You chose general pepper because he appears to be a character in the game but he is not
The evidence of this is that General Pepper has not been taking part in actions, he has merely been advising Cornarians what to do. He is present in the write-ups, but in a very different way from all the other roles. Never have we seen the Bloodhound take part in the fighting, never has General Pepper blasted away at any ships or flown in with the team, he is just the voice in the background, much like James Wolf. Every other role in the game has taken some kind of direct action.
You took advantage of general peppers presence and guessed based on the factors above that he was an NPC, and so you took the role as your cover.

If you look at the opening post, it lists a whole list of characters, and also has a featuring list of spaceships. General Pepper is listed in the list of characters, and there is a picture of the Bloodhound in the many more section of the spaceships. Also, the Bloodhound did indeed show up in a write-up as part of the arrival of the Cornerian fleet on day 7 (post 1093), and before that as an image on Day 2. Not participate in the fighting? On Day 8, and I quote "The Cornerian fleet, comprised of Lylat Cruisers, Lylat Carriers, and General Pepper's flagship, breaks through the first line defenses and begins to assist in the battle." And by the way, it's James McCloud, who is a Fox, not a Wolf, and who is technically listed as a dead player character (that player being Atpg, our lovely host). There has been no sign of any literal NPC all game long, except for possibly the Venomian fleet Commander that showed up in day 8, who I would not be at all surprised to discover after the game ends was one of those Venomians who got converted, possibly even you yourself, nightbringer.
Secura, I wish I could show you what I'd hidden in my role PM, but since I didn't hide or change anything, I can't do that.

[Death is yonder]

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote:autolycus

Right... common excuse for both townies AND scums, although arguably scums use it more. Just saying, doesn't prove anything ;)

Its time to finish this, scum. You've been riding a trail of trust ever since you made that fake role-claim as general pepper. I don't need to go over everything that makes it clear that the details are fake, as that has already been made clear to everyone.

He has? He's been thoroughly questioned, doubted heavily, and even at one point of time, was actively considered to be lynched.

Do elaborate further on why Autolycus is guilty Master Nightbringer

I would like to see your opinion of how all the public information co-relates to his guiltiness. Or are you at this stage, trying to avoid making yourself seem scummy with a bad judgment or giving a stance?

The motivations for faking the claim are obvious, you are mafia.

So obvious that there is no need to review anything, even though its the last round?

You came up with the role of General Pepper based on info you had and because of some lucky guesses you made about the nature of this character.
You knew only venomians could be converted from your mafia quick-topic and used this to claim an ability that sounds reasonable, but is completely redundant because cornarians simply cannot be converted to begin with.

And the reason why you only brought up these doubts now and not earlier when he role claim was because..?

There was ample opportunity to present all these doubts except in the last round when you desperately need a lynch in your favor.

You chose general pepper because he appears to be a character in the game but he is not
The evidence of this is that General Pepper has not been taking part in actions, he has merely been advising Cornarians what to do. He is present in the write-ups, but in a very different way from all the other roles. Never have we seen the Bloodhound take part in the fighting, never has General Pepper blasted away at any ships or flown in with the team, he is just the voice in the background, much like James Wolf. Every other role in the game has taken some kind of direct action.

Weak argument IMO, every single character that ended up appearing in the write ups has been a real character. So because Double A claimed Slippy when Slippy at that point of the write ups had only appeared once, he was lying? Evidently, Pepper has taken a more public face. I strongly doubt that pizza will cast away his neutrality in regards to the players to support a fake claim by having Pepper appear more often. If that isn't enough proof, look. After Double A and Johnhughthom claimed, they started appearing more often.

Post-Preview Edit: I believe Auto's post just above mine explains the logic behind why his claim is to be taken more seriously too.

You took advantage of general peppers presence and guessed based on the factors above that he was an NPC, and so you took the role as your cover.

And that's why every character that appeared in the write up has been a real character. And that's also why Granga is a fake character eh Nightbringer?

Now, lets analyze voting

-Snip, random statistics blabla

We can see that the only times mafia voted for autolycus is when an irreversible bandwagon came down on them. With the safety of being the for sure lynch Pinman and Chaotix voted their undercover man autolycus to attempt to give him some credibility.

And all I saw is some barely plausible argument/coincident being taken as strong supporting evidence

Here is autolycus voting history




We can see that he has voted for Pinman, Khazaar, and Chaotix.
The chaotix and Pinman votes are irrelevant because they were bandwagoned so badly it didn't matter and all the mafia voted for them.
The Khazaar vote was during the Beeefy Bandwagon, which is odd, but perhaps he just wasn't paying attention. Actively downplaying the alternatives
More likely though, he was recently recruited, possibly right before his fake claim as general pepper.
In fact, he could have been recruited AT ANY TIME during the game because he was never scanned.

Fact remains that no Cornelians were ever converted, and that falls under the jurisdiction of Auto's role abilities.

Fact also remains that you were a convertable Venomian, in fact, the only known one left in the game.

In line with mafia recruits being those that Star Wolf team investigated to be neutral and publicly declared as such, therefore, you are more strongly likelier to be guilty. You seemed to agree with it for Khazaar's lynch, why are you disputing it now?




I hope this isn't too full of typos and such, but I believe it can stand as proof to my loyal cornarian allies that auto is the scum we need to get rid of. Right so your a cornelian now Mr Venomian? The redundant word "loyal" here just smacked of fake appealing too
If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???
but it is certainly worse than just killing him now and ending this thing once and for all.

Your most certainly right Master Nightbringer, its the last round, and you are definitely likelier than Autolycus to be guilty.

Nightbringer needs to be lynched this round

I also didn't like how he kept defending Beskar and agreeing with him on virtually everything those few rounds where I was pressuring Beskar.

At first we thought he was a Star Wolf member, but since they're all dead, I'm more inclined to believe that he's an Androssian.

That is all

[wideyedwanderer]

So it comes down to the final four...one of us has to be mafia.

Psychoanut is likely not mafia. He claimed Cornerian. Earlier, teams star fox and star wolf seemed to have cleared him, for the most part. I don't remember if he was scanned. But I do know that he nailed a mafia who otherwise wouldn't have been lynched at that time. Heck, he might even still be alive if not for Psycho. I don't see any reason why a mafia would do that to his teammate, when it appears that all the mafia are indeed on one team.

I'm inclined to believe Autolycus' role claim of General Pepper. We've never seen an NPC in this game, and there's no reason to think that ATPG wouldn't include Pepper as a role. The role looks legit. Yeah, there's a typo, and ATPG is pretty good with catching those. But even the best make typos sometimes. That's pretty much the best case anyone (including myself) has been able to find regarding why Auto's role claim might be fake. And if one typo is the only reason we have why it might be fake, then it's probably legit.

That leaves Nightbringer. At one point it became obvious that you were Venomian. It made sense for Andross to only attempt to recruit known Venomians, or risk wasting a night on an un-recruitable character. You were likely recruited by Andross. Vote: Nightbringer.

[Diana Abnoba]

Very good, Nightbringer has to be lynched this phase, then we win!

[Nightbringer]

All i can really say is that yes, it is hard to build a case against auto. But what else am i supposed to do. We all know psycho and WEW are cornarians at this point, so its either auto or me. If I know it is not me, that it must be auto and i have to do the best i can to make the other town players realize that. it appears I've failed.

@DIY
The first line was a direct copy of auto's post, i just put it in there to be funny i guess, idk. I attempted to elaborate as much as I could on the evidence of auto eing scum, if I failed to convince you, its my fault but there really is nothing else I can do.
As to not bringing up my doubts earlier... ????????
I DID! As soon as he posted his roleclaim I made my doubts about it very clear. I have campaigned to lynch auto numerous times since then, including before I was scanned. My argument about the gen pepper role is that while he has appeared he has done so in a way more similar to james mccloud than to the other role characters. As to no cornarians being converted, I agree with what psycho said about that simply being an innate part of them. As to your last comment on the lyal allies thing, I meant the loyal part to reflect that they can't be converted, and allies to represent the fact that cornarians and venomians are united against the mafia.

I was agreeing with Beskar because I was a venomian, and i believed (i think correctly) that the venomian and star wolf objectives were the same. Much like the Star fox and cornarian objectives were the same.

Anyway, its pretty clear I'm dead.
So thanks for a great game guys!

[Choxorn]

Why would Cornerians simply be totally unable to be converted? That means they're stuck with a generic townie role the whole game, while the Venomians have a chance to become not-generic-townie mafia. It would make sense if it was somehow possible to convert them, and maybe Pepper is protecting them. Who knows?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Phase Fourteeen

General Pepper: This is General Pepper calling all Cornerian units... The enemy has taken our base! Please respond!

......

Final Battle: Corneria


Good Luck!

The remnants of the Cornerian Army returned home, only to find their homeworld under attack by the Androssian menace: Granga.

Granga: I'm looking forward to this. The Cornerian Army will be destroyed, and Lord Andross will control the galaxy!

Psychonaut: I don't think so. You're going down punk!

wideyedwanderer: When General Pepper gets here, you will be singing a different tune.

Granga: We'll see.... oh look, there he is!

General Pepper: Attention Troops, Pepper speaking. Congratulations, on a job well done!

Psychonaut: But sir, the job is not quite done yet! We need to defeat the mech.

General Pepper: Correct, the job isn't quite done yet, but the ending was a foregone conclusion a long time ago.

wideyedwanderer: Sir???

General Pepper: Where is the Creator?

Psychonaut: What's he talking about? Hold on, his ship is entering orbit.

wideyedwanderer: Something is wrong. That's not the Bloodhound....

Psychonaut: That's a Saruzin-class battleship! Something is emerging....

General Pepper: Destroy.... Destroy.....

wideyedwanderer: General Pepper?!?

Psychonaut: What's going on here??

Granga: Here comes the cavalry!

"General Pepper": YOU are an enemy.

Psychonaut: How is this possible?

wideyedwanderer: Let's stay focused. Concentrate all firepower on the Mech Commander.

Granga: Yeah, come closer.... FIRE REMAINING BATTERIES!!!

Spyborg: DESTROY.... DESTROY.....

Psychonaut: THIS IS PSYCHOTIC!!! IS THIS THE END OF CORNERIA???

wideyedwanderer: MY EYES ARE REALLY.... REALLY.... WIDE RIGHT NOW!!!

GAME OVER





ANDROSSIAN VICTORY

Psychonaut: But... the vote tally....

Askthepizzaguy: Game's been over for a while now. This was all for suspense.

Alive: (2/44)

Autolycus- Spyborg
Nightbringer- Granga

Dead: (39/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon
Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
wideyedwanderer- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Psychonaut- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot




Out of this Dimension: (7/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.


Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

CONGRATULATIONS, MAFIA!!!!

Well played game. Commentary to follow shortly.

[naut]

LOL. I knew auto was Mafia. But, ya'll didn't listen.

Y'all have to eat humble pie.

Let me guess, this was like Star Wars Mafia. Where the Maf. get infinite recruitment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Phase Fourteeen

General Pepper: This is General Pepper calling all Cornerian units... The enemy has taken our base! Please respond!

......

Final Battle: Corneria


Good Luck!

The remnants of the Cornerian Army returned home, only to find their homeworld under attack by the Androssian menace: Granga.

Granga: I'm looking forward to this. The Cornerian Army will be destroyed, and Lord Andross will control the galaxy!

Psychonaut: I don't think so. You're going down punk!

wideyedwanderer: When General Pepper gets here, you will be singing a different tune.

Granga: We'll see.... oh look, there he is!

General Pepper: Attention Troops, Pepper speaking. Congratulations, on a job well done!

Psychonaut: But sir, the job is not quite done yet! We need to defeat the mech.

General Pepper: Correct, the job isn't quite done yet, but the ending was a foregone conclusion a long time ago.

wideyedwanderer: Sir???

General Pepper: The Star Wolf team has defeated Andross! It's time to end this war.

Granga: I'm.... no match for you..... I admit defeat.

General Pepper: I'll accept your unconditional surrender. Lower your shields and prepare to be apprehended.

wideyedwanderer: Closing to tractor beam range...

Granga: I'd never surrender to YOU!!! PREPARE TO DIE!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!! SELF-DESTRUCT, ACTIVATE!!!

wideyedwanderer: GAHAHHHH!!!!!!

wideyedwanderer: Whh...whh... What happened??

General Pepper: I had my weapons trained on his power generator. I wasn't about to let you be destroyed like that. You men are heroes.... you've saved Corneria.... and ALL of the LYLAT SYSTEM!!!

Psychonaut: That's our leader!

wideyedwanderer: YES!!! I knew we could do it!

General Pepper: Let's rebuild our cities and our society. Now begins a new era of peace for all life in the Galaxy. Let us never forget the sacrifices made by our fallen heroes.... yes, even our Venomian counterparts. Star Fox, Star Wolf, and all the others, fought bravely to bring us this peace, and their names and deeds will echo throughout history.... until the last star in the sky goes dim.

Psychonaut: Hear, hear! Way to go, Star Fox!

wideyedwanderer: Nicely done, Star Wolf!

VICTORY MUSIC






GAME OVER





CORNERIAN VICTORY!!!

Alive: (3/44)

Autolycus- General Pepper - Bloodhound
wideyedwanderer- Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot
Psychonaut- Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot


Dead: (38/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon
Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Nightbringer- Mech Commander- Granga




Out of this Dimension: (7/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.


Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

CONGRATULATIONS, CORNERIANS, STAR FOX TEAM, STAR WOLF, AND VENOMIANS!!!!

Well played game. Commentary to follow shortly.