Re: Wikileaks reveals identity of Afgan informants
So you mean to say that those defending Wikileaks are entirely partisan supporters of the Taliban, and that because Afgan informers help the Coalition, they deserve to die? I find it hard to believe that we have supporters of the Taliban posting in this topic. Is that the only way in which discussions of 9/11 and civilian casualties are relevant to the topic?
Re: Wikileaks reveals identity of Afgan informants
Meh, I think people are bringing in all kind of irrelevant stuff into this topic, while the issue at hand is pretty simple.
a) military has a leak;
b) wikileaks guy gets information;
c) information is evidence that government(s)/NATO/whatever lied/misinformed/kept things secret;
d) information also contains names of people who will be in danger if their names are made public, publishing those names is not necessary to point out that the information is evidence of c);
e) wikileaks publishes evidence, but "forgets" to blot out names of people who will be in danger or did not read all the stuff they threw out in public themselves;
wikileaks has made a terrible mistake by publishing these names and there are no excuses for it. They could have published their evidence without bringing people in danger. Since it is crystal clear that wikileaks has no way to justify their stupidity, all kinds of irrelevant stuff is brought up.
That's the issue at hand. wikileaks screwed up and they have no excuses and nobody or nothing to hide behind.
The questions whether the war in Afhganistan is just or not, if Iraq was a mistake or not, if the Taleban are evil or not, if the US is evil or not, if anti-militarism is naive or not, if Bush looks more like Hitler than like Woody Woodpecker are attempts to divert attention away from the naked truth (oh, the irony) that wikileaks made an unforgivable mistake, are completely irrelevant and belong in seperate threads.
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Re: Wikileaks reveals identity of Afgan informants
I view threads as having a life of their own and should be allowed to go off on tangents.
If wikileaks is trying to get rid of censoring that might be why they didn't censor the material. Perhaps they view unfettered information is more important than a few deaths.
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At the risk of repeating myself, I'd again like to ask.... If Wikileaks is to be believed, that they abhor secrecy and that their leak of massive numbers of classified documents was not done to weaken the NATO position, but to lead to openness in government....
1) Where is any hint of divulgence of information the Taleban might find harmful?
2) Why did they attempt to protect the identity of their source?
It seems to me the height of hypocricy to use "unnamed sources" to attempt to get more openness and disclosure in anything...
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2 seems like a valid point to me, 1 however may just be because the Taliban don't take records of everything they do and/or there is no crazy whacko jihadist who is willing to sacrifice his 72 virgins in order to provide wikileaks with the secret hello kitty diary of Osama bin Laden...Originally Posted by Don Corleone
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Re: Wikileaks reveals identity of Afgan informants
Though, that is unless Obama Bin Laden has got access to the best medical services money can buy, very hard to do, since we was pretty much already dying with cancer before the war on terror.
There has always been the referenced report of:
"On Dec. 8, 1998, NBC News reported that bin Laden had only 'months to live,' explaining that he was suffering from heart problems and possibly cancer"
Perhaps the USA has been chasing ghosts while in reality, he is dead and buried in some random unmarked grave?
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Re: Wikileaks reveals identity of Afgan informants
“wikileaks has made a terrible mistake by publishing these names and there are no excuses for it. They could have published their evidence without bringing people in danger. Since it is crystal clear that wikileaks has no way to justify their stupidity, all kinds of irrelevant stuff is brought up.”
I still didn’t find any evidence of names published. And again, exclusivity was given to 3 major media and apparently only one newspaper found this leaks, and this is relayed by a US general with the good moral tone that this betrayal deserved…
As this affair doesn’t do any front page even in the most conservative newspapers I think it was a hoax to discredit the site…
The problem I have with these Crusaders Searching For the True Truth is they have access to only one source…
As in Vietnam where they never saw one Assassination Committee, journalist and Reporters are able to report only the Allies side, for the bad. The Taliban will give interview after a successful ambush but will hardly invited journalists in preparing an IED or the slaughters of alleged informants.
I don’t think the Talibans are so powerful. I don’t think they have one chance to win the war on the front. They even weren’t able to defeat the Masoud’s Northern Alliances.
As very well explain by Major Robert Dump, a lot of people don’t see with a good eye progress and development to come in their villages, as they will loose their power…
If the Allies don’t make the mistake done by the USSR when they withdraw (and there is no reason they should as the “mistake” was do to the collapse of the USSR), the Talibans are finished.
In fact, military speaking the Allies have just to go outside and wait for the Talibans leaders to show-up and eliminate them…
I still think that the men who are actually crediting the Talibans of powers they haven’t and spreading this history of names given are de facto playing in the Talibans’ hands.
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Maybe truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies? I can see them making a similar argument.
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Re: Wikileaks reveals identity of Afgan informants
Ok, so you mean that, but said less provocatively.So you mean to say that those defending Wikileaks are entirely partisan supporters of the Taliban, and that because Afgan informers help the Coalition, they deserve to die? I find it hard to believe that we have supporters of the Taliban posting in this topic. Is that the only way in which discussions of 9/11 and civilian casualties are relevant to the topic?I honestly don't see the link between civilian casualties and the revelation of informants names, unless you mean as some kind of justification, which is partisan.
You just summed up the last three pages of text.That's the issue at hand. wikileaks screwed up and they have no excuses and nobody or nothing to hide behind.
The questions whether the war in Afhganistan is just or not, if Iraq was a mistake or not, if the Taleban are evil or not, if the US is evil or not, if anti-militarism is naive or not, if Bush looks more like Hitler than like Woody Woodpecker are attempts to divert attention away from the naked truth (oh, the irony) that wikileaks made an unforgivable mistake, are completely irrelevant and belong in seperate threads.
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