Islamic group to build mosque adjacent to ground zero

[Fragony]

Fragony, you and Vladimir seem to be doing your very best Tribesman impersonation; declare that you have sources, link to none of them, then walk away declaring victory.

Here's a novel thought: Instead of making vague, unsubstantiated statements about how I haven't done my research, how's about you post a link or article yourself? You know, sack up.

In what newspaper, the NYT? BBC? Blogs aren't accepted as news-sources, not going to make that mistake again. Hence, do your own research, starting with the Imam. If I am wrong I will bite the dust and swallow without chewing.

edit: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-gro...adical-dreams/

Up to you to descredit it now

[Lemur]

In what newspaper, the NYT? BBC? Blogs aren't accepted as news-sources, not going to make that mistake again.

Frags, if you can't or won't provide a link then we're just going off your opinion, which is that the Cordoba House is the tip of the spear of a giant muslim insult/honeytrap and its sole prupose is to be vandalized and provoke more Islamist violence. And we can't really debate it, 'cause you won't provide back-up, but you declare that I haven't done my research so I'm foolish. Or something like that. Where, exactly, am I supposed to go with a dead-end, no-calorie, fact-free argument like that?

Meanwhile, a solid response I can get behind about Bloomberg's speech, which you seem to be ignoring 'cause it doesn't fit into your narrative:

I love the plain "That's life" -- part of the thick-skinned, no-nonsense realism that Americans like to think exemplifies our culture, but doesn't always. Nothing is more admirable about this country in the rest of the world's eyes than the big-shouldered unflappable confidence demonstrated in that speech. Nothing is more contemptible than the touchy, nervous, intolerant defensiveness we sometimes show. [...]

Good for Bloomberg. Shame on Newt Gingrich, Joe Lieberman, and the ADL -- who, unlike Sarah Palin and the Tea Partyers, presumably know better. I will never be a New York guy, but New York is a very American city today.

[Fragony]

One of my posts up, edited it.

edit: look up what 'taqiyya' means.

[Lemur]

edit: look up what 'taqiyya' means.

Thanks for the link, gotta work so I won't be able to respond for a bit, but again, thanks.

As for "taqiyya," looked it up as instructed by your stern order. So taqiyya means that when threatened, compelled or under duress, muslims are allowed to disavow their faith or misrepresent themselves. And not every muslim scholar agrees on that.

Okay. Aren't Jews allowed to lie when threatened? Aren't Christians, unless they want to be martyrs, which is strictly voluntary? Aren't Mormons and Scientologists? How about Sikhs and Hindus?

You seem to believe that the concept of taqiyya means that any muslim can lie to any kafir for any reason whatsoever, and therefore this stands a conclusive evidence that the muslims who want to build the Coroba House must be lying. Sketchy and doctrinally unsound, friend.

[Fragony]

As for "taqiyya," looked it up as instructed by your stern order. So taqiyya means that when threatened, compelled or under duress, muslims are allowed to disavow their faith or misrepresent themselves. And not every muslim scholar agrees on that.

Your welcome

Correct; in the hardline version the expansionalist version of Islam, it also means that you are allowed to lie or 'hide your true believes' if it serves the Islam, to conquer by infiltration and deceit. Ask any Islamic scholar if that's bull.

Guess what version of Islam is behind the Cordoba Foundation.

[PanzerJaeger]

I love the plain "That's life" -- part of the thick-skinned, no-nonsense realism that Americans like to think exemplifies our culture, but doesn't always. Nothing is more admirable about this country in the rest of the world's eyes than the big-shouldered unflappable confidence demonstrated in that speech.

[rant]Sometimes it seems like I’m living in some sort of alternate reality. A group of radical, religiously motivated muslims that believed American foreign policy is to kill muslim babies runs a few planes filled with Americans into two skyscrapers and now a muslim cleric with the same worldview, who believes America was somehow an accessory to what has to be the biggest crime against itself... ever, wants to put up a Mosque on the very site… And this is what makes America great? This episode somehow demonstrates the strength of our society? To me it seems a sign of a weak, fickle culture that has lost sight of the forest for the trees. [/rant]

[Fragony]

[rant]Sometimes it seems like I’m living in some sort of alternate reality. A group of radical, religiously motivated muslims that believed American foreign policy is to kill muslim babies runs a few planes filled with Americans into two skyscrapers and now a muslim cleric with the same worldview, who believes America was somehow an accessory to what has to be the biggest crime against itself... ever, wants to put up a Mosque on the very site… And this is what makes America great? This episode somehow demonstrates the strength of our society? To me it seems a sign of a weak, fickle culture that has lost sight of the forest for the trees. [/rant]

And you are a much bigger price. To these people that mosque is like the Conquest of Cordoba (the power at the time) and the Haggia Sophia (Constantinoble). Or do you fellow orgahs seriously believe that calling it the Cordoba Mosque isn't kinda related to the fact that the west was hit in the heart of capitalism.