Proposition 8 declared unconstitutional

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Err... no? Why would you think I'd want that?

So what do they get, then?

"Marriage" or something else?

[The Celtic Viking]

So what do they get, then?

"Marriage" or something else?

They get marriage. I don't really see what you're getting at. Having sex is not a requirement for it.

[Fragony]

They get marriage. I don't really see what you're getting at. Having sex is not a requirement for it.

Some people care about marriage, a union between a man and a woman, why do gays demand something they don't really care about in the first place? Marriage is also a promise of bloodline, ah well just adopt a child it's almost real! I am not against it but I do question their motivations, they want what they can't have and demand we all act as if they do. Nothing was ever born out of an anus.

[The Celtic Viking]

Some people care about marriage, a union between a man and a woman, why do gays demand something they don't really care about in the first place?

Oh, I don't know... perhaps because they obviously do care about it? Perhaps because marriage gives heterosexual couples rights that are blocked to homosexuals? It couldn't be anything like that?

Why would you say a marriage is "between a man and a woman", anyway? It might be that it's the typical marriage, but that doesn't mean that it should be the only sort of marriage. Allowing homosexuals to marry doesn't devalue heterosexual marriages in any way.

Marriage is also a promise of bloodline, ah well just adopt a child it's almost real! I am not against it but I do question their motivations, they want what they can't have and demand we all act as if they do. Nothing was ever born out of an anus.

So if a heterosexual couple is sterile, or for whatever other reason can't make babies, they shouldn't be allowed to marry? If a heterosexual couple doesn't want to have kids, they shouldn't be allowed to marry?

[Fragony]

So if a heterosexual couple is sterile, or for whatever other reason can't make babies, they shouldn't be allowed to marry? If a heterosexual couple doesn't want to have kids, they shouldn't be allowed to marry?

What does it matter? You can demand others to say that a tomatoe is really blue but it remains red. Gay marriage is demanding from others to pretend, and I don't like that. Couldn't care less about gay marriage itself it's all fine with me, but why they want it is beyond me.

[The Celtic Viking]

What does it matter? You can demand others to say that a tomatoe is really blue but it remains red. Gay marriage is demanding from others to pretend, and I don't like that. Couldn't care less about gay marriage itself it's all fine with me, but why they want it is beyond me.

What does it matter? You were making the argument that gay marriage is "a promise of bloodline", that marriage is about conceiving babies. From that it only follows that you should take the same kind of aversion to heterosexuals who can't or won't make babies getting married. But you don't care about that, so your objection is obviously not about the ability to conceive children.

As for why they want it... no, now you're just trolling.

As I said I think they should be equal, by scrapping marriage. If you just expand marriage, I think it leaves the problems with asexuals etc as below...

Then you seem to be agreeing with me that they have the right to be treated the same way as everyone else. Good.

I know you are saying asexuals can technically marry, but my point is that they are far less likely to want to marry because of a condition they are probably born with. And their reluctance to marry will mean they miss out on all these state-granted privileges being given to heterosexual/homosexual couples. That's discrimination.

No, it isn't. They can marry whoever they want, just like everyone else. They are being treated the same as the rest by the law - ergo, no discrimination. Choosing not to get married, even if it is because of your nature, doesn't mean that you're discriminated against when others choose to do it.

Yes legally speaking they can marry, just as homosexual men could marry women in the past... the point is they won't want to.

Again, that is not the same thing. Heterosexuals could marry the person they love. Homosexuals could not. The law clearly made a distinction between homosexuality and heterosexuality and treated them differently. That is discrimination. By giving everyone the right to marry whoever they want, with the same benefits, name and all, regardless of whether you're homosexual, heterosexual, asexual, bisexual or Swedish, you are not making a distinction between sexual preferences. Thus, you are not discriminating.

I ask you: since I have chosen not to get married because of my nature, am I being discriminated against right now?

[Fragony]

Nope what makes you think I'm trolling. Point is simple, they want everyone to pretend they are something they are not. Again, I have no objections, but I can understand our more conservative members. These gays only care about marriage because normal people hold it dearly. If it would be cartracing they would demand gay cartracing.