Oda campaign

**p_nutter** · 09-02-2005, 20:46

I've just finished a campaign - Oda, starting in 1530, expert mode. There's something about the Oda starting position, which is so bad the AI routinely gets wiped out by the rebels. I did a better job :)

20 years ago, the ruler of Owari (and only Owari) attacked the monks in Ise with everything he could spare. This year, the same man - now a R6 general and ruler of almost all of Japan - finished the job in Kaga, defeating over 1000 monks in the last and greatest battle of the campaign.

There will be other campaigns, but none like this.

There will be other castle assaults, but they probably won't end with SA charging down the hill into monks. (Yes, I am the attacker in this battle!)

There will be other victories, and other defeats, but few will be as glorious as this one. (not shown here: there were more than 800 men on the other side. All enemies are dead or routed, but I lost on time limit.

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There will be other treacherous alliance-breaking enemy daimyos, but most of them will not get the dishonourable death they deserve.

Although outnumbered at amost every battle, the Oda clan prevailed. Monks were surrounded and routed by ashigaru. Huge rebel hordes were chased off the battlefield, and caused to disappear. Enemy capitals were invaded and pillaged - and so was ours! The invading armies of the western clans were beaten back by the victorious samurai returning from the east, and finally broken on the slopes of Shinano.

The men of the Oda clan - from the lowly ashigarus to the mighty H2W2 cavalry archers - were the finest army I have ever commanded. They can return home to their families now, as such an army is no longer needed. Perhaps in another life I will lead them to victory again.

PS: Thanks to Sasaki Kojiro, for this thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=40292, which inspired me to attack those pesky monks as early as possible.

**NodachiSam** · 09-03-2005, 02:03

Sounds like a very thrilling campaign!

Congratulations on your successes too. Kudos on the very funny commentry.

All the rebels just simply decided to go back to their farms and give you koku after you taught em who's boss

Your Daimyo would be wise to keep your armies in good shape with periodic military exercises, maybe in the winters, just in case

That was a very good thread. I wonder if he still plays STW once in a while. I've never won with Oda, they just have it so rough I can't seem to hack it, though I haven't tried it in a while.

Edit: I was kinda bored tonight but now I'm going to try my hand at Oda, at normal or hard though, cus I'm a wimp and not so hard core.

lol

**NodachiSam** · 09-03-2005, 02:14

I am so impressed by how he handeled the monks, with two archers, an ashigaru unit and his daimyo- to me that sounds so suicidal! Maybe I will wait a little while and hit them with a few yari samurai. Anyways, wish me luck.

**p_nutter** · 09-03-2005, 08:13

I was kinda bored tonight but now I'm going to try my hand at Oda

Heh, it's like a virus.

Maybe I will wait a little while and hit them with a few yari samurai. Anyways, wish me luck.

I don't think that's a good idea. They have a temple in Ise and will build more monks if you leave them alone. It's best to deal with them as soon as possible. And to capture the temple, so you can build your own monks. But since I'm a wimp and not hardcore (compared to some people), I invaded Ise with 3 archers, 1 yari samurais, 2 ashigarus, and the daimyo. I don't think I could win at Ise with Sasaki's army.

**NodachiSam** · 09-04-2005, 02:02

I actually just bribed them the first turn lol

I did get the temple intact, which was nice.

Here is where I got last night, sadly I didn't take the initiative to take Mino before another clan did. My major trouble is that I am allied with both Takeda and Mori.

I really hate attacking my allies so I suppose I will need to ally with an enemy of my ally or lure one to attack me. I don't know if the TW games fits my prefered playing style, ahwell. Perhaps I should focus on economy for a little while Any suggestions?

**p_nutter** · 09-04-2005, 08:56

The best thing you could do for your economy right now is to take Harima off Mori.

Oh, and don't bother with any more border fortresses, because the upgrade costs less than a shinobi.

You could try encouraging your allies to attack by leaving one of your provinces undefended. But none of your border provinces seem ideal for this.

Or try the shinobi rush: build loads of shinobi, send them to an enemy province with a very small garrison. The idea is to cause a revolt, then you can take the province, since you're not allied with the rebels. Awaji looks like a good place to try this, since you'd get access to the little island to the west of it, if it worked. (Assuming Mori's not there already)

**Drisos** · 09-05-2005, 10:31

Originally Posted by NodachiSam

I actually just bribed them the first turn lol

I did get the temple intact, which was nice.

Here is where I got last night, sadly I didn't take the initiative to take Mino before another clan did. My major trouble is that I am allied with both Takeda and Mori.

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I really hate attacking my allies so I suppose I will need to ally with an enemy of my ally or lure one to attack me. I don't know if the TW games fits my prefered playing style, ahwell. Perhaps I should focus on economy for a little while Any suggestions?

Bribing them might have been a very good idea. Now you have monks and no more rebels. bribing is expensive though.

Well the alliance problem is bad. you can concentrate on your own, but then the enemy will also grow stronger. later in the game you will have several enemies, and they should better not be so good. best thing to do is to prevent them from growing strong and attack them. personally I'd prepare an attack on mino. that secures owari, your hq. I don't know about mino's economy though. harima might be good too, but takeda has some big armies and facing three enemy's can be hard. regions like totomi and shinano are useful for their honour improvements, so are good to have too. attacking mori is easy, but attacking takeda is more useful, I think. only problem is that if they're in alliance the other might turn against you too. well if you have some money build up your dojo's in yamashiro as it deliveres extra honour. some imporved farmland in owari is great for your economy.

thanks a lot for this thread, p_nutter! fun to read, with some intresting aspects of the oda 1530 campaign. nice screens also

congratulations on your victories.

**p_nutter** · 09-05-2005, 19:15

Bribing them might have been a very good idea. Now you have monks and no more rebels. bribing is expensive though.

I'm surprised it worked...

Emissary: 2000 koku if you join our team.

Monks: We do not care for such crass worldly possessions. Ours is a spiritual life of meditation, tranquility, and tearing our enemies apart in battle. While not wearing armour. Money is no use to us in the next life.

Emissary: 4000 koku.

Monks: OK, where do we sign up?

attacking mori is easy, but attacking takeda is more useful, I think.

I never know whether to go east or west as Oda. In my campaign I only went east as far as Echizen, Mino and Totomi (and I only grabbed Totomi so I could weaken Imagawa and sell his buildings - I'd rather have Mikawa as a border) then went west. Uesugi and Hojo then went crazy fighting each other for Shinano so I just built a watchtower and wached the fights.

And I didn't have any Mori to deal with because he doesn't exist in 1530. I had some big rebel armies over there and Takeda Shingen, though. Looks like NodachiSam's playing the classic Sengoku Jidai campaign. Which also starts in 1530, whatever.

How about attacking both of them? I'd attack Awaji, Harima, Tamba, Wakasa and Mino all at once.

Attack! Kill! Pillage!

**NodachiSam** · 09-06-2005, 03:04

lol! The monks did clear out my treasury fairly well. They took 2500 or so. Greedy guys, there were only 180 of them. They took the lives on none of my soldiers though.

I am actually playing the 1550 game, no SJ. I like to expand out a bit and I'm usually not too aggressive against other clans immediately. After my experience with MTW I am putting the taxes at punitive as much as possible, where as before I would rarely ever put it above normal. I'm not really that ruthless.

Why do I post so many?
Laziness perhaps? No,
Photobucket easy makes.

I decided to stab dear innocent Lord takeda in the backside and attacked Mino. He had about 650 soldiers at the beginning. Not a bad battle for me considering the difficulty is on hard.

Nobunaga got back the star he lost.

This is an ambitious season. I actually have no intention of taking Hida though since I don't don't know what my army is up against. I just cancelled the attack but hopefully prevented those soldiers from joining in the Shinano battle.

I'm not a great ally here. Mori sent in a 4 star calv archer and two yari sam units to help me but I was rather sluggish to help

He happily charged into the woods where the enemy greated him but he came out with 11 of his men.

Charge! I like the MTW camera for making cinamatic shots, I assume the RTW camera is even better.

Not a bad victory. I nearly lost my impetuos Daimyo though in the forest.

It doesn't show but Uesugi and Hojo also attacked but I decided to attack anyways hoping they would trie themselves out and I could clean up.

Feng Tsu would be proud, not a drop of blood was shed. Takeda ran and I had the largest force so I kept the province.

Echizen is empty but I need to keep Mino guarded. I know that Takeda probably has a few monks besieged with a stack. Maybe I will send in two ashigaru to claim to province but not hold it seriously.

I will possibly take Awaji if these revolts keep happening. Then again Harima has low loyalty, maybe I can create a big revolt there and take it. I need more shinobi for that though.

**Drisos** · 09-06-2005, 09:02

Originally Posted by NodachiSam

lol! The monks did clear out my treasury fairly well. They took 2500 or so. Greedy guys, there were only 180 of them. They took the lives on none of my soldiers though.

I am actually playing the 1550 game, no SJ. I like to expand out a bit and I'm usually not too aggressive against other clans immediately. After my experience with MTW I am putting the taxes at punitive as much as possible, where as before I would rarely ever put it above normal. I'm not really that ruthless.

Why do I post so many?
Laziness perhaps? No,
Photobucket easy makes.

I decided to stab dear innocent Lord takeda in the backside and attacked Mino. He had about 650 soldiers at the beginning. Not a bad battle for me considering the difficulty is on hard.

This is an ambitious season. I actually have no intention of taking Hida though since I don't don't know what my army is up against. I just cancelled the attack but hopefully prevented those soldiers from joining in the Shinano battle.

I'm not a great ally here. Mori sent in a 4 star calv archer and two yari sam units to help me but I was rather sluggish to help

He happily charged into the woods where the enemy greated him but he came out with 11 of his men.

Charge! I like the MTW camera for making cinamatic shots, I assume the RTW camera is even better.

Not a bad victory. I nearly lost my impetuos Daimyo though in the forest.
It doesn't show but Uesugi and Hojo also attacked but I decided to attack anyways hoping they would trie themselves out and I could clean up.

Feng Tsu would be proud, not a drop of blood was shed. Takeda ran and I had the largest force so I kept the province.

Echizen is empty but I need to keep Mino guarded. I know that Takeda probably has a few monks besieged with a stack. Maybe I will send in two ashigaru to claim to province but not hold it seriously.

I will possibly take Awaji if these revolts keep happening. Then again Harima has low loyalty, maybe I can create a big revolt there and take it. I need more shinobi for that though.

Thank you for this post. very nice to read

magnificent screens too!

congrats on your victories! it goes very well now!

one tip: try to maintain peace with hojo and uesugi and even get in alliance with one of them. you should now finish off takeda and maybe start attacking the mori sometime.

**p_nutter** · 09-06-2005, 20:00

I am actually playing the 1550 game, no SJ.

Oops - I saw 1558 in your picture and somehow read 1538.

Your campaign is going well. Suddenly Takeda doesn't look so threatening, and Mori has some revolts to deal with.

Just thought of something: What happens if you send an army in to help your buddy Mori with the revolts? If your army is larger than his, do you get to keep the province, and stay allied with him?

**NodachiSam** · 09-09-2005, 06:29

Thanks for the responses! The school year has started for me again so I've been pretty busy. It takes a long time to do these and I will try to skip less crucial parts in the future of this campaign.

I'm glad you like the screen shots. :) I'll offer alliances to both Hojo and Uesugi. I've sent two diplomats east but ninjas keep getting to them. Hopefully my messangers will make it out of my own lands this time, yeesh. My lands are pretty lawless apparently. Thanks for the advice.

Yea I hope to take over Takeda's lands soon. His forces in Kaga pose a large problem. My shinobi are doing their jobs :D though it doesn't seem to have a large effect. I am thinking about sending 4 shinobi through his lands to Aki or is it Kii and spring up some rebels and optomistically cause him to lose his capital.

This was the only battle I've logged since last time. I invaded Suruga, and Echizen with under 100 men and Takeda fled both provinces (a high star general popped up in Echizen but sadly decided to flee to his troops.) This battle for Hida was a bittersweat victory. I did get the province and I kill more men than lost but considering the just the numbers we did fairly equally which is good since I was feeling very uneasy about the outcome of this battle once I got on the battlefield. My army probably was much cheaper than his though.

I looked in the battle log and this force I fought had two full units of sam archers 1hon and 2hon, 28 yari cav about 3 avg hon (contained general) and 31 cav archers (who all escaped

) Not having any spear infantry would definately be this guys weakness but I was still pretty worried when I saw what my ashis were up against. You probably are thinking I should invest in horses, hehe.

Get your mittens on the battle begins!

I don't know how I would have faired under these circumstances were I defending but I probably would have put all my men on the other side of that cliff on the hill. Through most of this battle I had higher ground.

The takeda general began to charge his men but I moved on a hill and he changed his mind.

I planned to send two ashis up the hill and hit the flank of these archers from uphill while my other men would hit their fronts. The archers picked my yari unit but I think the general would've been a better choice. The yari calvary general, seeing the exposed flank and hind corner of my ashis decided to march uphill to try to show those stupid farmers who is boss. Which perhaps was his best move considering he faced an army of spears. My men greeted him with a firm hug- of death! Bwahahaha

My general and another unit took on the archers. Only one yari cav unit made it off the battlefield that day but not their general!

The enemy routed shortly after the death of its general. A bitter sweat victory.

Mino, Mikawa, Omi, Ise and Owari all are unit producing and I've gathered a small force instead of sending them to their nearby front provinces. I'm going to try to take Kaga, they have a number of horses and will probably have two units of monks by the time my army gets there.

I am considering sending all the units in Hida and Echizen to fight but I am concerned the Uesugi might take the opportunity to attack Hida and Shinano. I've never really left a border province unguarded before, I would restock it if I have a siege going in Kaga.

Mori is a great concern. Do they start with a famous smith or something?? Soon my shinobi plan to travel to Aki to find out.

This is what the map looks like right now. Mori has to guard 8 provinces and I've noted and he is probably stronger than Shimazu by now considering their domain. The last time I checked all three of us southern clans are allied.

**Drisos** · 09-09-2005, 10:18

Originally Posted by NodachiSam

I'm glad you like the screen shots. :) I'll offer alliances to both Hojo and Uesugi. I've sent two diplomats east but ninjas keep getting to them. Hopefully my messangers will make it out of my own lands this time, yeesh.

I you have time and money, get yourself some border forts.

Yea I hope to take over Takeda's lands soon. His forces in Kaga pose a large problem. My shinobi are doing their jobs :D though it doesn't seem to have a large effect. I am thinking about sending 4 shinobi through his lands to Aki or is it Kii and spring up some rebels and optomistically cause him to lose his capital.

small chance of rebellion in a region with such a big army... when you get you mino forces to echigo and spy a bit victory over kaga should be an easy job. (also for the non balanced armies of takeda

Nice tactiks in that battle. good postion and well finished.

not a surprise to see you win

The yari calvary general, seeing the exposed flank and hind corner of my ashis decided to march uphill to try to show those stupid farmers who is boss.

haha

your own ashi's are farmers too

This is what the map looks like right now. Mori has to guard 8 provinces and I've noted and he is probably stronger than Shimazu by now considering their domain. The last time I checked all three of us southern clans are allied.

strong clans: oda mori and uesugi.
weak clans: shimazu takeda and hojo.

in this situation I think you should wait a sec getting in war with more then one of the strong clans. maybe start attacking the mori, and concentrate a bit more on your economy. (maybe less shinobi, more better fields)

**p_nutter** · 09-09-2005, 19:19

If you have time and money, get yourself some border forts.

Hmm.. Shinobi are cheaper, gain honour, and have legs.
Enemy ninjas can be really annoying sometimes. I once had an emissary assassinated on the same turn he was built! A really rude cheat by the AI.

I like to use emissaries as ninja bait: Put an emissary and some shinobi on one of your border provinces (so the enemy can see them) and watch the shinobis' honour go up as they catch ninjas.

Nice job with the ashigarus, NodachiSam. Your peasants with pointy sticks showed those expensive professional soldiers who is the boss.

It was very nice of Takeda to deal with the monks in Kaga for you. Attacking it seems like a good move, since Takeda's nasty cavalry isn't so useful in the forests and hills.

Mori's cavalry is even worse! He has gold shielded heavy cav, and silver shielded naginata cav.

He might start building gold shielded monks too. Send more shinobi to keep him busy, and be ready for him if he attacks. I'm surprised he hasn't attacked you already - Mori rarely keeps his alliances.

**Drisos** · 09-10-2005, 08:12

Originally Posted by p_nutter

Hmm.. Shinobi are cheaper, gain honour, and have legs.

That's true m8. But in the campaigns I've played (not really very much) border forts seemed to do better then shinobi, probably because they didn't have much honour. another problem for me was that I didn't want to train them all the time, because then I couldn't train other units. (because I need shinobi in every port region, and every border region + I mostly used some as spy's too.) that they have legs is indeed a pro to train them. (and I've used shinobi often too) Well NoDachiSam you'll see for yourself which suits better in this situation... slow-conquering campaigns I prefer the forts.. but you're not being slow

**NodachiSam** · 10-01-2005, 02:14

Thanks for your responses! I haven't updated because I've been very busy with school starting and I keep getting into terrible situations when I continue playing, hehe. I'll try to get back to it. I'm spread a little too thin I think and I'm outclassed by the enemies armies so its been hard.