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Kagemusha
06-27-2007, 18:23
Sengoku Jidai

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The date is 1560. Since Onin War Japan has been in turmoil. Almost hundred years of internal strife between various Daimyos has left the country in ruins. The weak Ashikaga shogunate has no power over the warring factions and has themselves fallen on the role of puppets for various lords pursuing the power on the central Japan. With the arrival of European traders in 1543. The new gunpowder weapons are changing the image of the traditional Samurai warfare and any worthy Daimyo have been trying to secure these new weapons as much as possible.

Few stronger clans have been able to raise their lands and status, but anything is possible,when a single battle can mean victory or death for any of the contenders for power.
In the Southern Island of Kuyshu. Shimazu Takahisa has been able to secure the provinces of Satsuma and Osumi and is now on the lookout for expansion towards the Northern parts of the island.
In the Northern Kuyshu. Otomo clan lead by Otomo Sorin,has strong position. Their domain includes the provinces of Bungo,Buzen and Chikuzen. It seems its only matter of time when Otomo and Shimazu will clash against eachother in order to find out the true owner of Kuyshu island. But currently Otomo has other enemies to worry about.
After destroying his former masters,the Ouchi Clan in 1555. Mori Motonari,the leader of Mori clan has become master of the Western part of Honshu,the main island of Japan. Mori clan now holds the provinces of Aki,Suo, Nagato and Iwami. His forces have also attacked Kuyshy,endangering the Otomo domain,which have caused war between the two powers.
To the East of the Mori,lies the other power house of Western Japan, mighty Amako clan,lead by Amako Haruhisa. From their capital Gassan Toda, Amako holds the provinces of Izumo, Bingo and Hoki. Two decades a go Haruhisa tryed to annihilate the Mori, but while the odds were 3 to 1 on his favour,the war wasnt succesfull, but there is no doubt that his goal is still clear in his head.
To the South of the lands of Amako and Mori, is another island of Japan, Shikoku.There on the Southern Tosa province, Chosokabe Kunichika has worked long and hard to gain control of the province. While he has been able to consolidate his domain, other factors have gained him a giant of a clan as his neighbour.
Miyoshi clan led by Miyoshi Chokei has effectively crushed their former masters the Hosokawa and while they are based on Shikoku, currently their vast lands conclude large parts of the central Japan and also the Capital Kyoto is under their rule,while the Ashikaga Shogun, Yoshiteru is mere puppet of Miyoshi and their Matsunaga allies. Currently Miyoshi domain includes the provinces of Sanuki and Awa in Shikoku island, the small island of Awaji between the Honshu and Shikoku and Izumi,Settsu and Yamashiro on the main island.
West from Capital,Clan Asai rule the province of Omi. Their leader Hisamasa rules from his capital Odani the turbulent province. The Asai are allied to the Asakura Clan which is their Northern neighbour. Asakura Yoshikage rules the province of Echizen and has committed lot of his efforts on defeating the Ikko Ikki rebels that rule the neighbouring Kaga province.
South of Asai and their allies Asakura. A young ambitious Daimio has united the various branches of his family and has taken control over Owari province. This man is called Oda Nobunaga. Some say that there is a great future for the young Daimyo,but his neighbour Imagawa Clan has other thoughts.
Imagawa Yoshimoto has been dreaming of conquering of Kyoto for a long time. Now he has gathered his men of provinces that are under Imagawa authority and is preparing to fullfill his dream. The provinces of Suruga, Totomi and Mikawa have provided him lots of men,but the stubborn Oda stand between his dreams of conquests and reality. To the North of Imagawa lives another Daimyo with dreams of conquering Japan.
Takeda Shingen has relentlesly campaigned against almost all of his neighbours to largen the Takeda domain. With provinces of Kai and most of Shinano.He is a force to be reckoned with.
To the North Of Takeda Domain is the Clan Uesugi. Relentless enemies of Takeda,lead by Uesugi Kenshin. Kenshin holds the title of Kanto Kanrei and is determined to to take all Kanto under Uesugi power. The current Uesugi domain is largely Echigo and parts of Shinano and Kozuke. In Kozuke the other Clan determined to take the province is the large Hojo clan. The leader of Hojo ,Ujiasy has fought all his life against all directions. In result of that the Hojo domain is the strongest on the Kanto plain. Their provinces are Izu, Sagami, Musashi and the Southern part of Kozuke. They are surrounded by hostile clans,but so far it has been the Hojo taking the lands of their enemies. While Imagawa,Takeda and Uesugi are threatening Hojo from West and North. There are more enemies in the East.Including Satomi and Satake clans.
Satomi clan,lead by Satomi Yoshitaka own the Awai province on the Southern tip of Boso peninsula. They have warred Hojo for decades,trying to stop the advances of Hojo,both on sea and land.
To the North of Satomi on the Eastern coast of Honshu, Satake holds the province of Hitachi. Their leader Satake Yoshiaki has taken Hitachi with multiple wars against multiple opponents. While Hojo is a imminent danger to Satake,there are more threats coming from the North. These threats include Date clan.
Date Harumune owns parts of the large Northern province of Mutsu. He has worked hard to raise the status of his clan that fell deep during the civil war inside the clan not so long a go. With good use of force and diplomacy,the Date has chances to become the rulers of Northern Japan. But without those virtues a destruction in the hands of multiple enemies is very much possible.

provinces/ ownership after Autumn 1563

The name in list means the official owner of the province. A clan will be named as the owner of a province untill its completely conquered. Occupation of parts of province will not effect the owner in this list,only total conquering.

Kyushu

Satsuma/ Shimazu

Osumi/ Shimazu

Higo/ Shimazu

Huyga/ Shimazu

Bungo/ Otomo

Chikugo/ Shimazu

Buzen / Otomo

Hizen/ Otomo

Chikuzen/ Otomo


Shikoku

Tosa/ Chosokabe

Iyo/ Kono

Sanuki / Miyoshi

Awa/ Miyoshi

Awaji island / Miyoshi

Honshu

Nagato /Mori

Suo/ Mori

Aki/ Mori

Iwami West / Mori , Iwami East / Amako

Bingo / Amako

Izumo / Amako

Hoki/ Amako

Bitchu /Amako

Mimasaka / Amako west, Yamana East

Bizen /Ukita

Inaba /Yamana

Tajima /Yamana

Harima/ Akamatsu

Tamba/ Hatano

Tango/ Isshiki

Wakasa / Takeda( not main Takeda)

Settsu / Miyoshi

Izumi/ Miyoshi

Yamashiro / Miyoshi

Kwatchi/ Miyoshi

Yamato/ Tsutsui

Kii / Suzuki

Iga / Iga Monto

Ise / Kitabatake

Shima / Kitabatake

Omi / Asai

Echizen / Oda

Kaga / Hatakeyama

Mino / Saito

Hida / Anekagoji

Noto / Hatakeyama

Etchu/ Shiina

Shinano/ Takeda south,central, Uesugi north

Kai/ Takeda

Owari / Saito

Mikawa / Imagawa

Totomi / Imagawa

Suruga / Imagawa

Izu/ Hojo

Sagami /Hojo

Musashi/ Hojo

Kozuke/ Ashina

Kazusa / Satomi

Shimosa / Satomi

Awai/ Satomi

Hitachi/ Satake

Shimotsuke / Satake

Echigo/ Uesugi

Dewa/ Uesugi South west, Date South East, Mogami central and North.

Mutsu/ Ashina south, Date central, Date North East, Oura North West

Map of provinces from Samurai Archives,(with corrrect provincial borders).:

http://www.samurai-archives.com/map.html

Map of Provinces of Japan from Revolting Friendship:

https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9640/japankunijo4.jpg

Map of current situation,after Autumn 1563:


https://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5332/japanau1563.jpg


From here you can find district maps for each province:

http://jpimg.digital.archives.go.jp/kouseisai/category/ezu/kuniezu_genroku_e.html


Lots of information concerning Clans and characters:

http://www.samurai-archives.com/dictionary/index.html

Rules

There will be four seasons per year. Each chapter represents a season. After each chapter i will give options for each Clan for the next chapter. The diplomacy between players will last for one week. After a week the players will submit their answers.
A player can pm other players with their diplomatic offers,with nonplayable Clans pm me. Players can also demand submission to Vassal for other clans or submit themselves if the other player accepts via diplomacy. This means that when submitting the player continues playing the game with limited options under the rule of the player they have submitted to. Also when a player conquers another human players clans last areas,he has the choice to make him vassal or exterminate his clan. If he makes the other player his vassal.The player that has turned into vassal continues playing the game as vassal of the other player with limited options. Decided by the victor,they can continue serving as generals for example fighting campaigns semi independently. If the players Clan is exterminated by the Conquer,he will drop out of the game. Also the loosing player can decide to commit Seppuku, which will result in him dropping out of the game after he has lost all his lands.
When player conquers the whole territory of nonplayable clan he has basicly the same options.To include the Clan in his retainers as vassal or destroy it and give the lands to new lord of his choosing. Vassals can revolt, but as they are only semi independent there is always high risk of getting cought. If the players reach a deal in diplomacy they should make a public announcement about it.If the deal is secret one,all you need to do is for other of the deal makers to pm me about it,so i can take the deal in account. During the second week i will write the new chapter and post it in the end of that week or following weekend. The first playable factions are:

Economy

Each player has the knowledge of the maximum amount of troops he can raise. This is also the indicator of their wealth. Basicly one man= one koku (amount of rise to feed a man for a year). I have thought long and hard about how to solve this and this is how the economy will play out.

For example if you can raise maximum of 20000 men for your army, that means you can alternatively build for the amount of 20000 koku. As Japan is feudal society, the amount of trade is very limited and most income comes from taxing the agriculture.Here are prizes for buildings you can build:

Church/Temple 1000 koku (helps keeping the province happy,converting to other religion).

Teppo factory 10000 Koku (starts construction of your own teppos, first about 100 per season,later cannons etc. and increases its production.)

Castle upgrade 5000 koku (makes you stand sieges longer and betters the training of your men)

The castle sizes are from smallest to largest:

simple
small
medium
large
huge

Simple castle can hold out about 1 year of siege if well supplied, small about 1 and one quarter of year, medium one and half of year, large one and three quarters of a year and huge about two years of siege.

ship for your fleet 100 koku( each ship can carry 100 men.) Annual upkeep for each ship you have is 20 koku.

Each building takes an year to finish,you can build up to 10 ships per season on your coastal provinces.

For example if you can draft 15000 men in maximum, you can start building teppo factory during spring, but after that you only have resources left to maintain army of 5000 untill its completed after an year.

Portuguese and other European traders.

European traders arrive each Spring to Kuyshu. From there they move to Honshu and Shikoku during summer. They carry muskets and cannons as their merchandise,but not enough for all Japan, so depending on the Western Daimyos, the Eatern lords might not get any. Here are the prizes of their products.

musket 10 koku

cannon 500 koku


Players

Hojo

Takeda Fahad I

Uesugi Marshal Murat

Imagawa King Jan III Sobieski

Oda AggonyDuck

Asai Ravie

Miyoshi Stephen Asen

Amako King Kurt

Mori Xehh II

Otomo Revolting Friendship

Shimazu patdj

Yamana Rhyfelwyr

Satomi seireikhaan

Chosokabe Wishazu

Date Herakleitos

Satake Tiberius of the Drake

Tokugawa woad&fangs

Mogami Monk

Ashina Ichigo

Suzuki Seingthelas

past chapters

Autumn 1563 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...postcount=1242

Summer 1563 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...postcount=1160

Spring 1563 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=965

Winter 1562/1563 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=902


Autumn 1562 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=829


Summer 1562 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=779

Spring 1562 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=717

Winter 1561/1562 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=574

Autumn 1561 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=495

Summer 1561 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=425

Spring 1561 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=331

Winter 1560/1561 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=286

Autumn 1560 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=189

Summer 1560 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=133

Spring 1560 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...6&postcount=64



If there is lots of intrest i will put up more playable clans.If less we will strip few of these off.I will control the clans that are not playable and will also play their diplomacy with the human players. The signing phase for this interactive will last two weeks.After people start signing in,i will start pm´ing them information about their clan,military power,neighbours etc. :bow:

Cheers!

Kage

Marshal Murat
06-27-2007, 18:38
Uesugi
MY CLAN!

Kagemusha
06-27-2007, 18:41
Uesugi
MY CLAN!

Wellcome aboard m8!:2thumbsup: Then Uesugi it is.:smash:

shlin28
06-27-2007, 18:47
MORI!!!

Plz? :sweatdrop:

Rodion Romanovich
06-27-2007, 18:54
This looks very interesting - and now I have an excuse to finally learn more about Japanese history ~:). However, I'm worried that my current knowledge of the period (close to none at all :shrug:) will make me unable to participate that well. If I have time to read about the basics of Japanese history of this period in the coming few days before this interactive really starts up, I'd not mind controlling one of the easier factions, unfortunately due to my still lacking knowledge of the period I have still no idea which faction that would be ~:)

Derfasciti
06-27-2007, 18:59
I'm very interested. As for a clan, I think i'd like to play Shimazu. However, I might be open to change factions later.

Kagemusha
06-27-2007, 19:27
Adding shlin28 as Mori and Derfasciti as Shimazu. I will start writing pm´s to you two gentlemen:bow:


This looks very interesting - and now I have an excuse to finally learn more about Japanese history ~:). However, I'm worried that my current knowledge of the period (close to none at all :shrug:) will make me unable to participate that well. If I have time to read about the basics of Japanese history of this period in the coming few days before this interactive really starts up, I'd not mind controlling one of the easier factions, unfortunately due to my still lacking knowledge of the period I have still no idea which faction that would be ~:)

Legio.The beuty is that you dont have to know all that much of Japanese history to start with.Once you pick a clan. I will pm you additional information about your clan and its neighbours.The warfare during the time of this game is not that different from pike and musket warfare. So pick a clan and find out. Basicly more lands the clan has on the start.Stronger it is.So just read the epilogue carefully and pick one.:smash:

Rodion Romanovich
06-27-2007, 20:05
Ok! I think I'll take Takeda then :2thumbsup:

Kagemusha
06-27-2007, 20:11
Ok! I think I'll take Takeda then :2thumbsup:

Then Takeda it is.:bow:

Csargo
06-27-2007, 20:54
Hojo for me.

Kagemusha
06-27-2007, 21:02
Hojo for me.

Adding Ichi as Hojo.:yes:

AggonyDuck
06-27-2007, 23:11
Seeing as the Takeda are already taken, sign me up for Oda. By the way, what a superb choice of setting for an interactive history Kage. :bow:

Warluster
06-28-2007, 07:42
Sign me up as Otomo!

Franconicus
06-28-2007, 08:26
I am Imagawa! Although I do not know what that means!

Rodion Romanovich
06-28-2007, 09:18
That means, that you're my ally, and fighting for the good cause :charge:

CountArach
06-28-2007, 09:23
The Oda, I love playing against Adversity.

GiantMonkeyMan
06-28-2007, 11:31
what a great idea! i was thinking about doing this a few weeks ago because of my love for shogun: total war but didn't know enough about the era :sweatdrop:

please sign me for Asai

Franconicus
06-28-2007, 12:12
The Oda, I love playing against Adversity.
Oda is already taken by Aggony Duck, isn't it?

King Kurt
06-28-2007, 13:34
Kagemusha san

Can I humbly request the pleasure of representing the forces of Amako:shame:
(I know the smiley says shame, but it the nearest to a bow!)

Kagemusha
06-28-2007, 13:36
Alrighty then.Wellcome all new comers.:2thumbsup: So Duckie is Oda, Warluster Otomo, GiantMonkeyman Asai and Franc is Imagawa. I will try to write you your starting information as soon as possible.:bow: Count Arach,Oda is taken so pick another one.:smash: Edit: Wellcome also to my good friend King Kurt who will wield the Amako Clan.:yes:

Marshal Murat
06-28-2007, 13:58
I can't wait for the interactive to start.

Kagemusha
06-28-2007, 14:35
Ooops.:oops: King Kurt changed as the player of Amako.Also added the rest of the playable clans. When and if these will be filled we will start.There wont be more coming anymore.:sweatdrop:

Atalus
06-28-2007, 15:30
I'll grab Urakami if you wouldn't mind me joining

Kagemusha
06-28-2007, 15:33
I'll grab Urakami if you wouldn't mind me joining

Wellcome Atalus!:2thumbsup: Urakami it is then.:smash:

Rodion Romanovich
06-28-2007, 18:30
Takeda announces that we have managed to bring an end to the war in Shinano, after Uesugi accepted peace. :angel:

Kagemusha
06-28-2007, 19:53
Info pm´s sent to all the players signed up so far.There is still 5 slots open so please join up so we get this show started.:smash:

Kagemusha
06-28-2007, 21:28
Ashina Clan has entered in military alliance with mighty Uesugi.May our foes tremble before our combined armies.

Ashina Moriuji ,Daimyo of Ashina Clan

IrishArmenian
06-29-2007, 06:21
May I take the Date clan?

CountArach
06-29-2007, 07:02
Alright, I'll take Asakura.

Franconicus
06-29-2007, 08:00
Kagemusha san

Can I humbly request the pleasure of representing the forces of Amako:shame:
(I know the smiley says shame, but it the nearest to a bow!)
Closest to a bow is a bow: :bow:

Kagemusha
06-29-2007, 11:32
Added IrishArmenian as Date and CountArach as Asakura.Wellcome Gentlemen!:2thumbsup:

Prince Cobra
06-29-2007, 12:26
This hurts. I have decided I am busy enough to take this task but this one... Well, Japan... OK. Well, I'll try to take Miyoshi. :bow:

Prince Cobra
06-29-2007, 12:30
:beam: Double post.
It seems I have big ambitions for a vast area.

Kagemusha
06-29-2007, 12:51
Wellcome Stephen Asen! You have chosen a large clan,but also a large challenge.:bow: I will try to write info pm´s for you guys before tomorrow.:2thumbsup:

shlin28
06-29-2007, 16:36
The clan of Mori is pleased to announce that the pointless war against the Otomo has ended with a peace treaty.

Derfasciti
06-29-2007, 17:51
The Shimazu clan is pleased to announce that the Mori clan has accepted a proposal of military alliance with the Shimazu clan. Long may this friendship last.

Kagemusha
06-29-2007, 19:08
Info Pm´s sent to all new players.:yes: There are still three empty slots remaining so join up.Those three are: Satake the locally powerfull Lords of Hitachi ,Satomi, the stubborn enemies of Hojo and Chosokabe the small but determined clan from Shikoku island. Also guys remember if you include any secret pacts on your diplomatic deals.PM me about those.:smash:

Edit: Updated the rules section a bit.

Kagemusha
06-29-2007, 21:30
Official Announcement from Ashikaga Shogunate

Shogun Ashikaga Yoshiteru has named Miyoshi Chokei as Kanrei (deputy Shogun) and calls for all Shugos of provinces to submit to the authority of Miyoshi Kanrei under Ashikaga Shogun!

(OOC: All playable clans should give out official statements if they will submit under the authority of the Miyoshi or not. Basically this means that those Clans who will submit, will announce that Miyoshi Clan that holds the capital currently is the ruler of Japan. If you want to communicate privately with the Ashikaga Shogun.pm me.)

darkragnar
06-29-2007, 22:58
It would be an Honor to lead the Chosokabe to victory.https://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3904/01jo1.gif

IrishArmenian
06-30-2007, 01:50
Clan Date has agreed to clan Uesugi's alliance proposal with much enthusiasm!
-Date Termune, Daiymo of clan Date

Kagemusha
06-30-2007, 02:39
Darkrankar old friend you can go this through with Chosokabe.You will get extra points for taking the challence.(im drunk)

Kagemusha
06-30-2007, 02:46
(Clans,please comment.Will Miyoshi be the ruler of Japan? Declare war or submit to their rule.Or show your lame excuses for supporting Miyoshi or not.Please show your comments.)

Marshal Murat
06-30-2007, 05:12
We the Uesugi will recognize the Miyoshi as Shoguns, so long as they may be able to claim the title.

AggonyDuck
06-30-2007, 05:33
Clan Oda doesn't give its support to a Miyoshi rulership.

-Oda Nobunaga

IrishArmenian
06-30-2007, 06:14
The Date feel that the Miyoshi must... prove their leadership in order to gain our support.

seireikhaan
06-30-2007, 07:13
Is it too late to join as Satomi?

shlin28
06-30-2007, 08:51
The Mori Clan submits to the Miyoshi Shoguns, however should they harm or threaten other clans without good reason, they will not be able to count on us.

Kagemusha
06-30-2007, 10:11
Added darkragnar as Chosokabe and greaterkhaan as Satomi. Last Clan available is Satake.:yes:

seireikhaan
06-30-2007, 15:57
The Satomi clan feels there is no reason to offer its support to the Miyoshi Shogun. Therefore, we will not.

Derfasciti
06-30-2007, 16:30
Clan Shimazu, while offering no ill-will to the Ashikaga's declares that they cannot and will not swear loyalty to such a foreign body. The clan comes first.

shlin28
06-30-2007, 16:51
The Mori proudly announces our alliance with the Urakami

darkragnar
06-30-2007, 17:20
ah isn't there an Intelligence brief(PM?) that details all intelligence ? like who's my neighbor, whats my strength how many Koku i make or how many Samurai retainers i have ?

or do i have to search all this my self ?

sorry being a noob but im new to these kinds of games.
i just wanted to know before i made an decsion on Miyoshi San.

Rodion Romanovich
06-30-2007, 17:34
Takeda thinks these isles need peace, and therefore we offer our support to shogun Ashikaga Yoshiteru, if he is willing to bring peace and accept the local authority of each clan in their home territories. May he rule our isles wisely and fairly, and put and end to the chaos!

Derfasciti
06-30-2007, 20:22
ah isn't there an Intelligence brief(PM?) that details all intelligence ? like who's my neighbor, whats my strength how many Koku i make or how many Samurai retainers i have ?

or do i have to search all this my self ?

sorry being a noob but im new to these kinds of games.
i just wanted to know before i made an decsion on Miyoshi San.


I think Kage was supposed to PM you with the details you need. Perhaps he hasn't gotten around to it just yet.

Franconicus
06-30-2007, 22:24
IMAGAWA supports the shogun Ashikaga Yoshiteru in his struggle for peace and honor!

Warluster
07-01-2007, 03:43
Otowa doesn't support th Ashikaga right now, as several things are to be solved first. Then we might change our minds.

Csargo
07-01-2007, 04:57
Hojo supports the new shogun may he bring peace and stability to the land.

Kagemusha
07-01-2007, 12:00
ah isn't there an Intelligence brief(PM?) that details all intelligence ? like who's my neighbor, whats my strength how many Koku i make or how many Samurai retainers i have ?

or do i have to search all this my self ?

sorry being a noob but im new to these kinds of games.
i just wanted to know before i made an decsion on Miyoshi San.

Im moving to an new apartment during the weekend,so you can expect your info pm on monday.:smash:

GiantMonkeyMan
07-01-2007, 13:11
Asai proclaims support for the Shogun. We hope the Shogun can bring stability to the region and unite the clans.

Prince Cobra
07-02-2007, 10:02
Your trust will not be abused and the peace will be restored.

OOC: I am still reading all the info. On 4th, when all of my exams are over, I will be able to make a more serious and detailed statement. At the same time I am ready to read any proposals you have.

Tiberius of the Drake
07-02-2007, 13:35
May I Take Satake?

Kagemusha
07-03-2007, 19:00
Wellcome Tiberius of the Drake.:2thumbsup: My moving between apartments have turned into a nightmare,but tomorrow evening i should have time to get us all up to date,so we can start the game with full steam. Sorry for keeping some of you waiting.:bow:

darkragnar
07-04-2007, 08:04
Wellcome Tiberius of the Drake.:2thumbsup: My moving between apartments have turned into a nightmare,but tomorrow evening i should have time to get us all up to date,so we can start the game with full steam. Sorry for keeping some of you waiting.:bow:

No problem kimosabe https://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5633/11pq3.gif

Kagemusha
07-04-2007, 18:57
Chapter 1.Spring 1560.

Answers for this chapter will effect untill Summer 1560.

Many things have happened during the early months of 1560. Maybe the most important issue was that Shogun Ashikaga Yoshiteru named Miyoshi Chokei as Kanrei. The various Clans had different opinions on the Miyoshi Kanrei. While some gave their full support,others denied it outright and there were even rumours about that the declaration of the Ashikaga Shogun was forced by the Miyoshi Clan who have Kyoto under their control.
In the Kuyshu, Shimazu Clan announced alliance with the Mori Clan of Western Honshu. There have been rumours that this treaty was somehow aimed against the Otomo Clan,but the peace announcement between Mori and Otomo didnt support that assumption. Maybe in the future the reasons for this alliance will be revealed. Shimazu Clan didnt swear loyalty to the appointing of Miyoshi Chokei as Kanrei. The Kanrei appointment effected also the neighbours of Shimazu, causing war between Ito and Sagara. The respectfull leaders of the two clans met in february to talk about their mutual intrests and possible defensive cooperation between these clans. But nevertheles after long evening of Sake and tight negotiations,the two Daimyos got into serios argument about the Shoguns announcement. While Ito clans leader Yoshisuke supported the Miyoshi Kanrei. Sagara Yoshiaki refused to give any support to Miyoshi´s cause.The heated argument led to the fact that now Sagara and Ito have mobilized their forces and are ready to wage war any day now.
In the Northern Kyushu Otomo Sorin didnt accept the authority of Miyoshi Chokei. Now that Otomo´s war with Mori is over,there are speculations where Otomo might target their intrest´s next. On the Ryozoji domain in the North Western part of Kyushu,nothing notable happened except that the Clan calmlu declared that they will not accept anyones authority over them currently. This leaves Kuyshu island definately out from the authority of the Ashikaga Shogun and his Miyoshi Kanrei, except the Ito who went even to war about the affair.

On the Western Honshu, Mori has been active on the diplomatic side of affairs. After they announced peace with Otomo and alliance with Shimazu, another announcement was made. Alliance witht the Urakami was made,leaving Amako between the two powers. Mori also declared their support on the new Miyoshi Kanrei. The Amako clan has been silent and also it didnt take any standing on the Ashikaga announcement. Matsuda Clan didnt support Miyoshi Kanrei.As former friends of now perished Hosokawa they are still hostile towards the usurpers of power as they put it. Urakami didnt comment the appointment of the Kanrei at all,while their alliance with Mori could show signs of support. Yamana Clan declared strongly that they feel that Shogun was forced to name Miyoshi Chokei as Kanrei and they wouldnt want to have anything to do with the appointment,which they saw as Miyoshi puppeteering of Shogun. Akamatsu wouldnt give any comments on the announcement.

On the Kinai, Hatano rejected also the appointment of the new Kanrei. As neighbours of Miyoshi, this could mean war. At the province of Wakasa the local Takeda clan(not Legios clan) supported the Miyoshi Kanrei. The Southern Neighbours of Miyoshi the Suzuki that rule Kii province wouldnt comment and sayed that they would be looking carefully how the situation would unfold. The two enemies of Miyoshi from Kwatchi and Yamato Hatakeyma and Tsutsui refused the appointment and declared that their goal would be to free the capital from Miyoshi as soon as possible. The war in Yamato was in stand still during the winter months as the weather made it impossible to accomplish anything significant. Iga Monto didnt say anything on the issue about the Kanrei.

At the Island of Shikoku The retainers of the Ichijo clan rebelled.Currently there is civil war going on on their domain. The Kono clan watches the situation carefully as do Chosokabe. These clans stand on the Kanrei issue is not clear. Miyoshi Chokei himself havent done any new political moves since the appointment. It seems he is concentrating on the ongoing wars and consolidating his power over his domain.

Asai Clan supported its neighbour Miyoshi as Kanrei,while their allies Asakura and Saito didnt comment on the issue. Kaga Monto from Kaga province supported Miyoshi,but the situation in the province with the effects of the war with Asakura made the comments very light. Hatakeyama of Noto refused the Miyoshi in support of their Kwatchi province relatives. Shiina and Jinbo clans of Etchu were too deep in their war to give out any announcements over the issue. Anekagoji of Hida didnt make any statement on the issue.

Kitabatake and Oda outright refused the new Kanrei. It seems that Oda has more worries then the Miyoshi Kanrei as the Alliance between Hojo,Takeda and Imagawa seems stronger then ever.All three supported the Miyoshi on the Kanrei issue. Also another long war ended,when Uesugi and Takeda made a peace and by that separating the control of Shinano province between the two.

Uesugi declared support to Miyoshi Kanrei. They also announced an alliance with the Ashina and Date. Also the ongoing war in Etchu may have caught their attention. Ashina rejected the Miyoshi as did Date. Hatakeyama of Southern Dewa joined them on the issue while otherwise the war between Ashina and Hatakeyama continued. Mogami didnt comment in any way. There was no word from the most Northern clans on the issue.

On the East, Utsinomiya and Yuki didnt support Miyshi Kanrei.The standings of Satake and Satomi are unknown currently. As the Winter is turning into Spring,there are many intresting developments going on and many clans need to plan well what to do when the spring comes and the war season starts.

Options of the clans for the Spring

The options are here just to give out direction what to do.If you have plans that are not issued by the options tell me about your plans on your answering pm.From this day onward you have week for diplomacy and answering your options for the next chapter. Try to include all your diplomacy towards the nonplayable factions on a single pm so my pm box wont get too full,too quickly.:yes:


Shimazu

War has started between your neighbours Ito and Sagara.How to react on that affair? Also you have large Christian population.What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Ito of Hyaga
a) attack Ito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Ito (use pm)
c) demand Ito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Sagara of Higo
a) attack Sagara (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Sagara (use pm)
c) demand Sagara to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing


Otomo

With your peace with Mori,you have freed lots of resources what to do now? Also the Ito Sagara affair concerns you becouse you are their Northern neighbour.Will you get involved? Also what to do with Ryozoji and Akizuki,your Western neighbours? You are at war with them both. And finally the civil war in Shikoku clan Ichijo. Will you get involved? Also you have large Christian population.What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Ito of Hyaga
a) attack Ito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Ito (use pm)
c) demand Ito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Sagara of Higo
a) attack Sagara (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Sagara (use pm)
c) demand Sagara to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ryozoji of Hizen
a) attack Ryozoji (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Ryozoji (use pm)
c) demand Ryozoji to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Akizuki of Chikuzen
a) attack Akizuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Akizuki (use pm)
c) demand Akizuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Ichijo of Tosa
a) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Mori

With the ending of war with Otomo,you have additional resources against Amako.What to do in that war? There are both your and Amako troops in Iwami.Is it time to decide the faith of that province?Also you have moderate Christian population.What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Amako
a) attack Amako (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Amako (use pm)
c) demand Amako to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Amako

It seems that Mori is trying to create a nest of allies to surround you with.You need to use diplomacy to overcome the odds,before you are crushed by multiple enemies. Also what to do with your other neighbours?Also you have moderate Christian population.What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Mori
a) attack Mori (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Mori (use pm)
c) demand Mori to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Urakami
a) attack Urakami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Urakami (use pm)
c) demand Urakami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Yamana
a) attack Yamana (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Yamana (use pm)
c) demand Yamana to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Matsuda
a) attack Matsuda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Matsuda (use pm)
c) demand Matsuda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Urakami

You are at war with Matsuda and Akamatsu.Is it now time to attack?Your alliance with Mori could have soured your relations with the Amako.What to do in this situation? Also you have large seaborder with Miyoshi. Will you declare your stand on the Kanrei issue? This will have no doubt effect on your relations with Miyoshi.Also you have moderate Christian population.What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Akamatsu
a) attack Akamatsu (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Akamatsu (use pm)
c) demand Akamatsu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Amako
a) attack Amako (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Amako (use pm)
c) demand Amako to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Yamana
a) attack Yamana (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Yamana (use pm)
c) demand Yamana to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Matsuda
a) attack Matsuda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Matsuda (use pm)
c) demand Matsuda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

5. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Miyoshi

Ashikaga Yoshiteru appointed you as Kanrei.This could be good or bad thing,depending on the wiew on the issue. Your relationship with the Shogunate is a complicated issue that cant be resolved very easily you should think carefully what to do on it. Also after few quiet months the war in Yamato seems to flaring up again.The Hatakeyama and Tsutsui are determined to fight you.What could be an answer to that issue and how to prevent others joining into that war? What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel,specially the buddhist sects that control Kii and also the Ishiyama Honganji a temple complex of warrior monks right near Kyoto.


1. Hatakeyama
a) attack Hatakeyama (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Hatakeyama (use pm)
c) demand Hatakeyama to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Tsutsui
a) attack Tsutsui (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Tsutsui (use pm)
c) demand Tsutsui to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ashikaga Shogun
a) Kill Ashikaga Yoshiteru and announce yourself Shogun
b)Kill Ashikaga Yoshiteru and set someone else on his place
c) Try to negotiate with the Ahikaga Shogun,so he would be more on your favour (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Suzuki of Kii
a) attack Suzuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Suzuki (use pm)
c) demand Suzuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

4. Monto of Iga
a) attack Iga Monto (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Iga Monto (use pm)
c) demand Iga Monto to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

5. Asai of Omi
a) attack Asai (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Asai (use pm)
c) demand Asai to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

6. Urakami
a) attack Urakami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Urakami (use pm)
c) demand Urakami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

7. Hatano of Tamba
a) attack Hatano (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Hatano (use pm)
c) demand Hatano to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

8. Akamatsu of Harima
a) attack Akamatsu (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Akamatsu (use pm)
c) demand Akamatsu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

9. Kono of Iyo
a) attack Kono (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kono (use pm)
c) demand Kono to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

10. Chosokabe of Tosa
a) attack Chosokabe (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Chosokabe (use pm)
c) demand Chosokabe to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

11. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

12.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Chosokabe

With the civil war in Ichijo clan,there could be opportunity for expansion of Chosokabe domain. Also what to do with your giant neighbour Miyoshi?You have small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Ichijo
a) attack Ichijo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Ichijo (use pm)
c) demand Ichijo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Kono of Iyo
a) attack Kono (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kono (use pm)
c) demand Kono to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Miyoshi
a) attack Miyoshi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Miyoshi (use pm)
c) demand Miyoshi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Asai

Plans for this season? You are currently in a pretty quiet spot in Japan,but things could change in a vary short time, maybe you could start the change yourself?You have small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.


1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Asakura
a) attack Asakura (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Asakura
c) demand Asakura to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Miyoshi
a) attack Miyoshi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Miyoshi (use pm)
c) demand Miyoshi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Kitabatake
a) attack Kitabatake (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kitabatake (use pm)
c) demand Kitabatake to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Iga Monto
a) attack Iga Monto (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Iga Monto (use pm)
c) demand Iga Monto to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Hatano
a) attack Hatano (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Hatano (use pm)
c) demand Hatano to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Takeda of Wakasa
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Takeda (use pm)
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

8.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Asakura

You are at war with the Kaga Monto.Would it be now the time to take care of that enemy?You have small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel,apecially when you are bordering Ikko Ikki rebels.

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Asai
a) attack Asai (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Asai
c) demand Asai to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Takeda of Wakasa
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Takeda (use pm)
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Kaga Monto
a) attack Kaga Monto (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kaga Monto (use pm)
c) demand Kaga Monto to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Anegakoji of Hida
a) attack Anegakoji (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Anegakoji (use pm)
c) demand Anegakoji to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Oda

You are at war with Imagawa and it seems that your bigger neighbour is preparing for attack.Do you have a change against the forces of Imagawa,or should you submit to their rule? Also could it be possible to somehow brake the Imagawa,Hojo,Takeda alliance?You have moderate Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel,apecially when you are bordering Ikko Ikki rebels of Nagashino in Ise.

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Kitabatake
a) attack Kitabatake (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kitabatake (use pm)
c) demand Kitabatake to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Imagawa
a) attack Imagawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Imagawa (use pm)
c) demand Imagawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) submit to rule of Imagawa
e) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Imagawa

Your back seems to be safe now that your trippel alliance with Hojo and Takeda seems strong. You have the upper hand on your war with Oda.Has the time come to end the long war with final attack?You have moderate Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Oda
a) attack Oda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Oda
c) demand Oda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Takeda
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Takeda
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Takeda

After you made peace with Uesugi,you now control most of Shinano.What now?Where should armies of Takeda head to?You have very small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Imagawa
a) attack Imagawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Imagawa
c) demand Imagawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Uesugi
a) attack Uesugi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Uesugi
c) demand Uesugi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Anegakoji of Hida
a) attack Anegakoji (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Anegakoji (use pm)
c) demand Anegakoji to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Jinbo of Etchu
a) attack Jinbo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Jinbo (use pm)
c) demand Jinbo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

8.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Hojo

Your alliance with Takeda and Imagawa gives you opportunity to concentrate on the Eastern Japan.Will the Hojo continue expanding to new areas? Is it time to take Kozuke completely from Uesugi?You have small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Uesugi
a) attack Uesugi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Uesugi
c) demand Uesugi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Imagawa
a) attack Imagawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Imagawa
c) demand Imagawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Takeda
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Takeda
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Satomi
a) attack Satomi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Satomi
c) demand Satomi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Yuki
a) attack Yuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Yuki
c) demand Yuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Utsunomiya
a) attack Utsunomiya (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Utsunomiya
c) demand Utsunomiya to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Satomi

You are at war with Hojo.Have been for some time. Should you press on,or take new targets for conquest?You have small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Yuki
a) attack Yuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Yuki
c) demand Yuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Satake

You are currently in safe situation.You are locally the strongest clan and you have no active enemies.This gives you options to choose your enemies.You have small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Yuki
a) attack Yuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Yuki
c) demand Yuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Utsunomiya
a) attack Utsunomiya (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Utsunomiya
c) demand Utsunomiya to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ashina
a) attack Ashina (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Ashina
c) demand Ashina to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Uesugi

After the peace with Takeda you have now options both East and West,but you should not forget or underestimate the thread Hojo causes to you. Think twice before acting. You have small Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Mogami
a) attack Mogami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Mogami
c) demand Mogami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Hatakeyama of Southern Dewa
a) attack Hatakeyama (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Hatakeyama
c) demand Hatakeyama to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ashina
a) attack Ashina (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Ashina
c) demand Ashina to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Takeda
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Takeda
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Jinbo of Etchu
a) attack Jinbo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Jinbo (use pm)
c) demand Jinbo to become your vassal (use pm)

7. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

8.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Date

With your alliance with Uesugi,you have gained an powerfull ally.What are your next moves?You have tiny Christian population. What is your stand on the new religion, you are buddhist yourself? The supporting of the Christian population will no doubt benefit your relations with the Portuguese traders,but the Buddhist population will not be happy if you support the Christianity and the extremist could even pick up arms and rebel.

1. Mogami
a) attack Mogami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Mogami
c) demand Mogami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Hatakeyama of Southern Dewa
a) attack Hatakeyama (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Hatakeyama
c) demand Hatakeyama to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ashina
a) attack Ashina (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Ashina
c) demand Ashina to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Nanbu of Northern Mutsu
a) attack Nanbu (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Nanbu
c) demand Nanbu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Tenbu of Northern Dewa
a) attack Tenbu (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Tenbu
c) demand Tenbu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Oura of extremely Northern Mutsu
a) attack Oura (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Oura
c) demand Oura to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

8.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Franconicus
07-04-2007, 19:33
Kagemusha-San!
Great chapter, and a big one. :bow:

Derfasciti
07-04-2007, 19:55
Kagemusha, it looks great. Thanks a lot.


Could you please explain what exactly having a certain faction as a vassal does though?

Rodion Romanovich
07-04-2007, 19:59
Nice opening to what I believe will be a great interactive! :smash:

darkragnar
07-04-2007, 20:28
Bravo , very intersting and involving chapter, i shall enjoy this very much.

Franconicus
07-04-2007, 20:45
Kagemusha, it looks great. Thanks a lot.


Could you please explain what exactly having a certain faction as a vassal does though?
I think that depends on the arrangement with your "protector" :stwshame:

Rodion Romanovich
07-04-2007, 21:00
Yes, if you're a vassal of Takeda, you get all the saké you can drink for free :barrel:

IrishArmenian
07-04-2007, 21:06
Great chapter, Kagemusha-san! Very interesting and a good kick-off to this IH!
Takeda, send some sake as a sample and the Date may consider~:cheers:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
07-04-2007, 21:08
May I take Yuki?

Tiberius of the Drake
07-04-2007, 21:10
Great start Kagemusha. Now are we going to post are actions in this thread or in a new one?


EDIT:Nvm

Tiberius of the Drake
07-04-2007, 21:30
(OOC:This is abit delayed and im srry about double post.)

The Satake clan does not see a fit reason why to support the new deputy shogun and therfore will not submit.

Marshal Murat
07-04-2007, 21:36
Very good Kage, very good.

Prince Cobra
07-05-2007, 07:38
Declaration of Kanrei

We would like to announce that the new religion called Christianity is incompatible with the traditions and customs of our lands! I ask the Daimyo, loyal to their Shogun and Emperor, to preserve the traditions of our country!

( Declare your attitude to the new religion! )

Miyoshi Chokei,
Kanrei, Defender of our true religion
P.S. OOC: Great, Kage!!!!!!!

Franconicus
07-05-2007, 08:03
I am glad to see that the Kansei is respecting and defending our old and time-tested traditions.

Imagawa Yoshimoto

Prince Cobra
07-05-2007, 08:18
The tradition and customs of Japan will never become old, my friend.

shlin28
07-05-2007, 09:57
OOC: Great chapter!

IC: The people of Mori proudly announces that their mighty Daimyo, had recieve the title of Mori Motonari the Peaceful Diplomat! People of Mori rejoice!

On a more serious note, the Clan Mori supports the Shogunate on the orders to suppress Christanity, the old ways shall prevail!

Rodion Romanovich
07-05-2007, 10:15
From Takeda

Takeda is curious - what is this thing called Christianity? Can you eat it? Can you drink it? Or is it a new type of weapon?

Franconicus
07-05-2007, 10:19
Yes, if you're a vassal of Takeda, you get all the saké you can drink for free :barrel
If you are vassal of Imagawa, you will - live! :scared:


Takeda is curious - what is this thing called Christianity? Can you eat it? Can you drink it? Or is it a new type of weapon?

:no: Hillbilly
:karate:

Kagemusha
07-05-2007, 15:09
Thanks for the complements guys!:2thumbsup: The first chapter was nightmare to write and was pretty repetative,but il try to get more nyances as we move further. So that everyone knows,you have now one week to discuss your options via diplomacy.Also remember that if you want to discuss things with the non playable clans,pm me.If possible,compile your letters to an single pm for your neighbours controlled by me,so my poor pm box wont die on me. Once the week is over,pm me your answers and the deals you have made with the other players,after that i will write the next chapter.
Few more things. Some of you have asked about Clans that are not neighbouring you.It is part of the game that you have detailed info only about your neighbours,but when you look at the map you can see that all players combined will have knowledge of just about any clan.This knowledge is valuable and you shouldnt pass it out for free. You can also choose to send spyes to your neighbours to collect data,but if revealed it will have negative effect on your relations with that clan.

Marshal Murat
07-05-2007, 15:10
Uesugi Kenshin, Lord of Echigo, Friend of Takeda, would like to extend an offer of cease-fire to the noble Lords of Hojo. We have no qualms with the Lords of Hojo, and we ask that the current split of Kozuke Province be established as a boundary, as we have done with the Noble Takeda.

IrishArmenian
07-05-2007, 15:28
On the other hand, allowing Christianity to run its course does bring advantages of better relations with the men that call themselves "Por-Tu-Guese". They have access to Teppous of all sorts and other exotic goods.

This is not neccessarily an opinion, it is just a fact and something to think about.
Date Haramune, Daiymo of clan Date

Franconicus
07-05-2007, 15:46
On the other hand, allowing Christianity to run its course does bring advantages of better relations with the men that call themselves "Por-Tu-Guese". ... Date Haramune, Daiymo of clan Date

Naban! :cry: :whip:
We shuld not allow that these southern barbarians flood our country.:stwmean:

Kagemusha
07-05-2007, 15:48
May I take Yuki?

Hi you are now at first in the replacement list if someone quits or will be too busy to play for a while.:yes:

AggonyDuck
07-05-2007, 17:09
The Oda clan tolerates Christianity in Owari, albeit it doesn't encourage it in any way. After all we value the loyalty of our subjects higher than their choice of religion. Additionally we will offer protection to any Christians who feel that they are being persecuted by their warlords in return for their loyalty.

-Oda Nobunaga

GiantMonkeyMan
07-05-2007, 17:58
While the noble Asai will not submit to the new religion and continue to be devout Buddhists, we find that the persecution of the Christians will only hamper our ability to establish new trade with the Por-Tu-Guese and develop unity within our lands.

We remain officially Buddhist but shall not lower ourselves to persecution of those of other faiths simply because they do not agree with us.

Derfasciti
07-05-2007, 18:00
I have decided upon a matter of religion. After being thoroughly educated in the ways of the Bible by several jesuit priests who have visited my clan's lands I have fully and honestly accepted Jesus the Christ as my soul's Lord. As I am lord over my subjects, so is Jesus the lord over his. All Christian subjects of mine may know that they will be protected.

However, I realize that Christianity may not be for all of my subjects and Buddhists will be given every opportunity to worship the way they see fit although I personally wish to express that I hope everyone of my people soon find Christ.

Therefore I cannot, and will not bow before the "kanrei" to supress this religion, and in fact I will declare that I will defend this religion and it's God to my last drop of blood.


Shimazu Takahisa, defender of Christianity and protector of clan Shimazu.

Tiberius of the Drake
07-05-2007, 19:12
I will not lower myself, or my subjects, to the persecution of another faith. I will not give them any special privaleges but they will be treated as equla to the buddhist. I will not interfere with such a personal matter as religion.

But if either religion feels persecuted or looked down upon in any way i will offer protection to the members of that religion. Through this prosperity will reign throughout my land.

-Lord Satake

Csargo
07-06-2007, 06:21
I think I'm going to have to drop out I don't think I can take this on right now sorry.

Franconicus
07-06-2007, 07:28
I think I'm going to have to drop out I don't think I can take this on right now sorry.

Sad to loose my ally! :cry:

Nevermind! Good luck!! :bow:

Franconicus
07-06-2007, 07:41
From Takeda

Takeda is curious - what is this thing called Christianity? Can you eat it? Can you drink it? Or is it a new type of weapon?


Imagawa had first contact with the strangers several years ago. They come from the south. Therefore we call them Nanban; they call themselves poor-toy-kease or cristians.

They had big ships and superior firearms. However, in the meantime, Imagawa artisans know how to manufacture even better firearms and we also started to build large ships, similar to the Nanban ones.

The Nanban are the most barbaric people we know. They do not show self-control. They show their feelings – happiness as well as anger – to everybody. They do not know respect, not even to their own commanders. They have no manners – they eat with their hands, they do not use handkerchiefs, they do not wash themselves. They do not have any traditions.

Their big ships are useful for trade. Most of the goods they sell come from China. Obviously they are not able to produce other goods than guns. They are keen on silver and copper.

They do not know the lessons from Buddha. They believe that world was created by their God and that it will be gobbled by a dragon someday. They do not understand that the world has no beginning and no end. That is why we call this religion Creationism or Dragonism .

They believe that the world is a bullet, flying through space without any fixing.

They believe that there is only one god, which had made many rules, which they ignore completely. You see, they do not respect even their own god! They believe that, when they are dead, they will come to a place called Hell. They do not believe in reincarnation, which is probably the reason for the complete lack of traditions.

In Hell they think they will be punished for their crimes. This is something they fear. However, they do not stop committing crimes, but they pray for forgiveness all the time. Although they say that there is only one god, the Nanban pray to several thousand little gods.

They cannot behave and they are fighting all the time. There had been many causes to sentence them, but due to hospitality, we haven’t sentenced anyone to death.

Although every little child can see how inconsistent and ridiculous Creationism is, there are people from our country – simple minded ones – that have decided to believe in this theory. The Nanban are very aggressively spreading their religion.

We decided that if someone wants to believe that he is living on a bullet that is flying through space, we do not see any reason to stop this. According to the wisdom of Buddhism, we will be tolerant to those which have no access to truth. Therefore we decided, that every can freely decide about the religion of his family.

However, do to the aggressive behaviour of the Creationists; there are some precautions to assure order.

There will be a harbour at Totomi, where the poor-toy-kease can live and sell their goods. However, they may not enter any other part of my provinces. There may not be more than 100 Nanban at a time. The trade with poor-toy-kease will be controlled by the authorities.

Japanese Creationists have to live in Totomi province. There they are may build there temples and can pray to their God.

Any kind of missionary work is strictly forbidden!

CountArach
07-06-2007, 08:30
The Asakura openly announces that it will persecute these Christians. Their beliefs are not in line with the true way of things. As such, they shall be slaughtered mercilessly.

Franconicus
07-06-2007, 09:19
Imagawa Yoshimoto decided to end war with Oda. He and Oda Nobunaga already agreed on a honorable way to end the conflict.

Imagawa will protect the territorial integrity of the Hojo provinces against any agressor until a new daimyo can restore order.

Rodion Romanovich
07-06-2007, 12:27
I think I'm going to have to drop out I don't think I can take this on right now sorry.
~:mecry: Hope you will be able to come back soon! :2thumbsup:

Rodion Romanovich
07-06-2007, 12:42
[...]
We thank Imagawa for their explanation, and the forewarning, so that we may keep our children hidden safely, when the Poor-toy-geese come to our provinces.

Takeda too, will protect the Hojo provinces against any aggressions until a new leader can be found.

King Kurt
07-06-2007, 14:55
Hi everybody - I am off for the weekend,:beam: so any PMs will not be answered until Monday.:yes:

Atalus
07-06-2007, 15:20
The Urakami will not stop the Christian holy men from traveling our lands on one condition. For every one of their holy men on our soil they must take one of our holy men willing to travel to their lands with them. Should none of our holy men wish to go we simply will not allow Christian holy men to travel on our land.

seireikhaan
07-08-2007, 05:03
The Satomi clan offers an olive branch to these new foreign men. Any persecuted Christians seeking sanctuary may come to our lands. While I myself shall remain a Buddhist, I will support the religious beliefs of any in my lands, whether they be Taoist, Buddhist, Shinto, Christian, or other.

IrishArmenian
07-08-2007, 06:09
The Date will neither harass harass nor detain any Christian Holy Men travelling in our lands. Religion of our subjects does not concern us, loyalty does; the two are not intertwined!

People of all religions are welcomed by the Date as long as they remain loyal!

EDIT: If Ichigo drops out, does that make KW the Daiymo of Clan Hojo?

shlin28
07-08-2007, 11:47
After considering with our allies and my advisors, the Mori clan evokes the earlier edict and now will tolerate the Christians in my clan.

GiantMonkeyMan
07-08-2007, 19:05
The respectful Miyoshi Clan and the honourable Asai Clan are anouncing that they have forged a mutually beneficial alliance. We hope our friendship can bring stabilisation to the region. :bow:


ooc: Kage, could you delete a few pms cos i need to send in my decisions

shlin28
07-08-2007, 20:10
I need to send in the pm as well :shame:

Franconicus
07-09-2007, 09:15
Who's playing Hojo now?

Kagemusha
07-09-2007, 14:07
Weekend off and you guys have already spammed my box full.:clown: I will now make some room in there.Im sorry to hear that you dont have time to play Ichigo.So the next in line is {BHC}KingWarman888. If you want the Hojo, confirm in this thread and i will send you your starting info. If Warman wont take Hojo it will be who ever claims them next.

Prince Cobra
07-09-2007, 14:44
The respectful Miyoshi Clan and the honourable Asai Clan are anouncing that they have forged a mutually beneficial alliance. We hope our friendship can bring stabilisation to the region. :bow:


ooc: Kage, could you delete a few pms cos i need to send in my decisions

:bow:

Franconicus
07-10-2007, 09:02
To the respected Daimyos, Leaders of the Japanese clans!

I would like to ask you to treat the followers of this new socalled religion with care! It is completly different to the esteemed wisdom of Kung fu tse, Buddha or Laozi.

While these religions offer wisdom, love and tolerance, the Christian religion does not tolerate any other religion! Christianity is violent and will only spread disorder and rebellion.

Last month there were men of another Christian clan coming to our provinces. Their clan is called イスパニア (Is Pania). They are drunk all the time and they tell everybody that the Christian priests are their assault troops. After the population of a country has been converted, the Spaniards attack the country and enslave it. They say that this is the mission from their god and a man they call "el Papa".

CountArach
07-10-2007, 09:08
This is good advice fellow Daimyo. These people are here to enslave us and convert us from our most sacred and true religion. They must be violently persecuted in order to save our way of life!

Prince Cobra
07-10-2007, 18:48
The peace is important for us! The western part of the Shikoku island is in a complete chaos. The neighbours of Ichijo should be patient and should not make the things worse by interfering. We have already sent emissaries to the warring sides in attempt to end this useless war and to establish the peace there.



Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

OOC: Kage, please have a look on my decisions esp. on the second part. Is everything clear? Thanks.

Actually, I am going to be off-line for several days I do hope you will not miss your Kanrei too much

Derfasciti
07-11-2007, 05:08
Orders sent. I was at a college orientation-type thing so I didn't really have internet access for a while.

IrishArmenian
07-11-2007, 06:31
Clan Date has sent our orders!

Kagemusha
07-12-2007, 13:58
Waiting decisions from Warluster (Otomo), Darkragnar (Chosokabe) and since Warman hasnt confirmed that he takes Hojo, please someone join as the Hojo clan,so we can get the next chapter up:bow:

Tiberius of the Drake
07-12-2007, 15:49
*posing as Hojo Leader*

My orders are for my clan to surrender all lands, money, and military troops to the Clan Satake.


:D:D:D:D:D:D

Franconicus
07-13-2007, 07:37
Waiting decisions from Warluster (Otomo), Darkragnar (Chosokabe)

Do they have no honor? I think they know what they have to do!!:karate:

Kagemusha
07-13-2007, 20:08
C`mon guys nobody wants to take Hojo?:shame: I will be going on to wedding tomorrow and will come back on sunday.If i wont get replies from Warluster and Darkragnar by then i will control their clans for the next chapter and also Hojo if noone is intrested on taking it.We cant get this interactive killed even before it starts,now can we?:embarassed:

darkragnar
07-13-2007, 23:35
I am very very very sorry for the delay, my computer was on the frisk for the past week, but im glad to say the Technician Responisble for this mishap has been asked to commit Seppuku.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5d/Seppuku.jpg

darkragnar
07-14-2007, 00:00
If no one wants to step up and take hojo, id like to control them both for the next choices.


Btw my choices have been sent.

Warluster
07-14-2007, 06:13
The Otomo Clan wishes to express its support for the portuguese traders, and I allow their eligion to be practised, as long as they abide our rules, culture and the rest.

I warn any who are thinking of attacking me, don't. If you attack, expect a swift counter attack. I will just look at you and you die. :P

CountArach
07-15-2007, 01:14
and I allow their eligion to be practised, as long as they abide our rules, culture and the rest.
Do the Otomo realise that Buddhism has long been a part of our culture and that these Christians are a threat to that. We have long lived as we are now and there is no need to upset that. Or are you one of them now?

IrishArmenian
07-15-2007, 02:50
The Asakura must adapt to their sorroundings, lest they whither as the tree in an inhospitable environment.

Date Haramune, Daiymo of Clan Date, Ruler of Rikuzen

CountArach
07-15-2007, 02:53
On the contrary it is the Date who should be compared to the trees. They are like a leaf floating in the wind. These Christians will blow you around and who knows where you will end up? We may be the tree, but at least we are firm rooted and no wind shall knock us away from our place in the World.

Tiberius of the Drake
07-15-2007, 03:38
not to be demanding but when can we expect an update Kage.

Rodion Romanovich
07-15-2007, 10:03
I'll have to drop out temporarily for around 3 weeks, so I probably need a replacement. I'll send a PM to Kage about the general strategy I wish the replacement to follow, but leaving tactical and detail decisions to the person who acts as replacement.

IrishArmenian
07-15-2007, 20:52
Asakura, believe what you will. To continue the metaphor, clan Date have merely learned to absorb the condensation of the rock... Clan Date shall flower in glory, but you alone, Asakura Daiymo, determine the fate of your clan.

Date Haramune, Daiymo of Clan Date, Ruler of Rikuzen

Rodion Romanovich
07-16-2007, 14:52
Takeda are happy to announce that a worthy replacement has been found for the daimyo from the next turn and about three weeks ahead, during the time when the current daimyo will be unable to attend to the matters of his clan himself.

SwordsMaster
07-17-2007, 16:00
Hey all, this is shaping up as a great interactive, and I would like to join if there is still room available, and with Kage's blessing.

EDIT: Clan Hojo seems unoccupied, and I liked it in Shogun... *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*

Kagemusha
07-17-2007, 20:59
SwordsMaster,wellcome to the game!:2thumbsup: I will send you your info pm and there should be a new chapter coming out tomorrow. I think you should contact your old ally Franconicus in order to get briefed,what Hojo,Imagawa and Takeda have been cooking.I hope you wont do drastic chances on your policies,before the next chapter is out.:yes:

SwordsMaster
07-18-2007, 02:12
SwordsMaster,wellcome to the game!:2thumbsup: I will send you your info pm and there should be a new chapter coming out tomorrow. I think you should contact your old ally Franconicus in order to get briefed,what Hojo,Imagawa and Takeda have been cooking.I hope you wont do drastic chances on your policies,before the next chapter is out.:yes:

:laugh4: Sure. I hope it wasn't anything too rash.

IrishArmenian
07-18-2007, 06:06
Rash? You are merely a day into being Daiymo and already the diseased concubines have gotten to you. A bad omen... Clan Date feels much sorrow for your... .... condition

Date Haramune, Daiymo of Clan Date, Ruler of Rikuzen

OOC: Good to see you in a new game, Swords!

darkragnar
07-18-2007, 06:22
Rash? You are merely a day into being Daiymo and already the diseased concubines have gotten to you. A bad omen... Clan Date feels much sorrow for your... .... condition

Date Haramune, Daiymo of Clan Date, Ruler of Rikuzen

OOC: Good to see you in a new game, Swords!

The Daiymo of Clan Chosokabe is much intrigued as to how the Daiymo Rikuuzen came by the information on SwordsMaster san's physical condition, perhaps a lot more goes on in Date " Vigorous Negotiations" than everybody else's.



Welcome SwordsMaster san, sorry to hear about your rash , i am in the know abouts of a Geisha that has a cure for such remedy; she has a very Poisonous personality that gets under your skin and makes you experience sensations that one has never felt before , you could say these sensations are the last feelings in the world that one feels.

Do inform me if you require her treatment , i will dispatch here immediately with her contingent of Gardner's, crazy women doesn't go anywhere without her gardeners and peddlers, some superstitions beliefs no doubt.

Franconicus
07-18-2007, 07:20
Sad news for our enemies, in deed! :yes:

I think swordsmaster knows a lot about those Poor-Toy-Kease. Haven't you been their emperor in another life long time ago?

Kagemusha
07-19-2007, 18:06
Chapter 2. Summer 1560.

After lot of diplomacy during winter and spring, the war brakes out again on various parts of Nippon. In all three main islands armies march out of castles and move out according to the orders of their Daimyos.

In Kuyshu after initial small skirmishes,the war between Sagara and Ito take´s an dramatic turn, as Shimazu joins the war on Sagara´s side and marches in to Huyaga with army as strong as 13000 men,supported by 5000 Sagara samurais and Ashigarus. Ito leadership is left with no other option then to fortify its army in to Obi castle, in hope that the combined Shimazu, Sagara force cant brake their defences.

In the Northern Kuyshu, Otomo sends emissaries to Ryozoji, demanding them to become vassals of Otomo. Ryozoji, at war with Otomo, replies by sending back the head of their emissary to Otomo headquarters. In July a combined army of Akizuki and Ryozoji of about 15000 men, lead by Ryozoji Takanobu, march into Chikugo, leaving trail of devastation and burning villages behind them. The local Otomo garrisons can do little more then hide behind their castle walls as the superior enemy army roams around the province.

At the western Japan, Mori and Amako have both fortified at Iwami province, but there is no actual fighting going on. It seems both are building their forces in the sayed province.
Amako clan´s activities are not limited on the Iwami. Thanks to lot of diplomacy,it seems they have been able to gather a serious forces to match the Mori, Urakami alliance. In the start of Summer, Matsuda Clan submits to Amako as the larger clan promises to protect them from Urakami agression. On July a combined army of Amako,Matsuda and Yamana invade, Urakami´s Mimasaka province. The army of about 13000 men doesnt make contact with any real opposition,as the lot smaller Urakami forces in Mimasaka, avoid contact at all cost. At the End of August, much of Mimasaka are under control of the allied army. There are still pockets of resistance all around the province,but these forces doesnt count lot more then 5000 men and as seprated are pretty much out of any other options, then hide behind the walls of their forts and castles.
Before the Invasion on Mimasaka takes place, Urakami itself have invaded the Akamatsu of Harima. The clan has been in state of chaos for eyars and a Urakami force of about 2500 men march through Harima province facing very little resistance and lay siege on Miki castle. The siege seems pretty wierd,since there are about same amount or even more of Akamatsu warriors inside Miki, then Urakami warriors outside of the castle.

On the Island of Shikoku, The civil war inside Ichijo clan continues. While the Kono clan doesnt take action on the situation, the Chosokabe invade The Western Tosa with support of many former Ichijo retainers. After a brief siege of the Ichijo capital, the clan leader Ichijo Kanesada decides to commit seppuku, as he sees that the situation is hopeless, soon after that the remaining retainers of the dead lord open the gates of Nakamura and surrender to Chosokabe. With the lightning fast reaction Chosokabe clan is now master of the whole Tosa province and the Miyoshi emissaries that have been dispatched to monitor the situation can only report that the situation is over.

In the central Japan,Miyoshi gathers a large army of over 20000 men and attacks Kwatchi province. Hatakeyama Takamasa is surrounded inside Takaya castle.He has strong garrison of about 10000 men and hopes to survive the siege.
In Yamato, as the Miyoshi withdraws some of their men to take part on the attack against Kwatchi province, Tsutsui uses the opportunity and throws out the Miyoshi from Yamato completely. Near Tsigi castle, in a bloody battle Tsutsui Junkei with 10000 of his own and supported by 5000 Hatakeyama troops destroyes the Miyoshi army of maybe 5000 men lead by Matsunaga Hisahide. Only about 2000 or so of the Miyoshi warriors are lead out alive of Yamato by Hisahide,constantly harassed by vanguard elements of the enemy army.
Asai of Omi decides also that war could profit them and launches an attack on Ise province. Combined army of Asai and Saito, numbering about 6000 men, cross the border of Ise in June. Once Kitabatake the lords of Ise,hear the news,they decide to mobilize all their men to greet the newcomers. army of 8000 men, lead by Kitabatake Harumoto, meets the Asai, Saito army in a large plain on northern Ise. Instead of battle the two forces camp facing each other and Kitabatake sends out messengers to the opposing army asking what are their intentions, since there has not been declaration of war from the Asai or Saito.
Asai´s northern neighbours, Asakura decide also that time of action have become. Asakura attack the Kaga Monto with all possible effort and near the walls of Kanazawa castle the Asakura army numbering about 14000 men, lead by Asakura Kagetaka. Deal a decisive defeat to Kaga Monto which have gathered about 10000 men to resist the Asakura attack. The battle is bloody beyond regignition, as the Ikko Ikki rebels are mercilesly slaughtered by the Asakura.leaving only 2000 alive after the surrender. Asakura also suffer a lot of the battle loosing about 3000 men,but after the devastating defeat of Kaga Monto Asakura is left as undisputed masters of Kaga province.

In the Tokaido coast it seems that a long war is nearing end. Imagawa determined to destroy Oda, for once and for all with its allies creates large armies in preparation to invade Owari and destroy Oda and its leader Nobunaga.
The bold plan is to create two large armies called Dragon and Tiger. Tiger commanded by the Imagawa daimyo Yoshimoto and Dragon commanded by the young Mikawa warlord Tokugawa Ieasy. Thanks to earlier strategig moves the Dragon army comprising of about 20000 Imagawa and their retainer troops is first ready to move out, while the Tiger is waiting for the Takeda allies to arrive,so it can move out from Totomi in order to follow the Dragon.
As the Dragon army starts advancing towards the border of Owari, the vanguard elements start sending back information that there are no small detachments of Oda troops nowhere to be seen. Ieasy marches on and crosses the border of Owari on june 12th. At the morning of 12th Ieasy receives information from local peasants through torture that Oda has raised all capable men and is coming towards the Tiger army with all speed.
From some strange reason Ieasy keeps the knowledge to himself and soesnt dispatch an messenger to Yoshimoto at all.
At the night of 13th vanguard of Oda army reaches the Tiger, but as Shibata Katsuie sends a probe to gather information, the Tiger or most of it is gone. To the amazement of many Imagawa retainers, at the morning of 13th,Tokugawa Ieasy and his Mikawa samurais numbering about 10000 have vanished from the army. The rest Imagawa men numbering about the same,find now themselves outnumbered as the 14000 strong Oda army marches towards them. Ogasawara Haruyoshi resumes command of the rest of army and starts immediate withdrawal. The forces that Oda confront are only rear guard elements that Nobunaga and Katsuie destroy in swift pincer manouver. Imagawa looses some 1000 men in the process,while Oda looses about 500 men. Becouse of the shady situation Oda decides to halt and only send scouts forward to clear up the situation.
As the remnants of Imagawa army reach Mikawa and Okazaki castle, instead of wellcome the Tokugawa troops open fire on the Imagawa scouts. It seems that the remnants of Tiger are in hostile territory and it has become a fact that Tokugawa Ieasy has rebelled. The Dragon picks up the news also when that army passes into Mikawa. It seems that the campaign has turned lot more complicated then expected.

Apart from supporting Imagawa, Takeda decides that no further actions should not be taken and instead they only manouver inside their domain. Hojo also doesnt launch any offenses, but decides only to make internal troop movements and focus on civilian projects.
East from Hojo, war wages in all fury. In August Utsunomiya Hirotsuna is called to an meeting on Satake domain. On the road to Hitachi, he encounters various military formations and as he reaches his target The headquarters of his Satake allies, he asks the Satake Daimyo what are the troops marching towards Shimotsuke. Satake Yoshiaki clamly explains that the troops are marching there to take over the Utsunomiya lands. Unable to resist, the Utsunomiya Daimyo and most of his closest retainers are captured. Without leadership, the Satake armies with their Satomi allies capture Shimotsuke, virtually without shedding blood at all, since without leadership the Utsunomiya troops surrender to their larger allies.
South from Satake, the Satomi also launch an campaign. This time the target is Yuki clan. 19000 allied troops invade Shimosa and demoralized Yûki Harumoto sends a message to the advancing army, offering to surrender if he can remain in his lands, but as vassal of Satomi.

In the North. Uesugi is active. They send about 2000 men under Kakizaki Kageie to support Shiina in their war against Jinbo. With these additional troops the Shiina is able to siege Jinbo headquarters Toyama, but becouse the numbers are relatively matched the siege could last a long time without additional forces.
On the Western Uesugi border, they support Ashina in their struggle against Hatakeyama. 3500 troops under Ayukawa Kiyonaga, join the 8000 strong Ashina army and together they defeat the Mutsu Hatakeyama under Yoshikuni, near Nihonmatsu castle. In the battle the Hatakeyama suffers about 4000 casulties as the Uesugi´s casulties are about 500 and Ashinas about 2000. After the hard pressed battle Hatakeyama Yoshikuni withdraws his remaining 2000 men to Nihonmatsu and swears that he will never surrender. Only after about week of siege, at the night of August 5th the Hatakeyma charges out from the castle with torches on their hands. The brave charge goes in vain as the Uesugi and Ashina teppos and bows finish fo most the attackers,leaving only remnants of them for the Samurais and Ashigarus to deal with. At the next morning Yoshikuni kills himself and his family and sets the main donjon of the Nihonmatsu to fire,creating a grim funeral pyree to himself and the Hatakeyma of Mutsu.
At Northern Dewa, combined army of Date,Mogami and Nanbu attacks the Tendo clan. Facing about 8000 men,the Tendo daimyo decides to avoid battle and fortifies on his castle. The combined enemy army layes siege and starts to wait for the downfall of Tendo.

Shimazu

You have been succesfull on your campaign in Hyaga. Now its time to decide what to do with the siege of Obi.And any other things that may pop up.

1. plans for Ito? You could try assaulting Obi castle,it would most likely cost you and your Sagara allies even 10000 men in worst case,becouse of the large Ito garrison. If you plan to continue the siege,Obi will propably fall inside one year,becouse of the large number of troops eating up its supplies.

a) Assault Obi castle
b)try to persuade Ito to surrender(use pm)
c) demand Ito to become your vassal (use pm)
d)continue the siege.The castle could hold on for even about 1 year.
e) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Plans with Sagara?

3.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing


Otomo

You are under a serious threat from Ryozoji and Akizuki. Their roaming inside Chikugo may have already costed you the harvest in that province and a famine is very much possible next winter. Also the Shimazu and Sagara are winning the battle against Ito and that could create a situation where you will gain a new neighbour from Shimazu. What to do in this situation?

1. Plans for Ito? joined Shimazu, Sagara army is sieging the Ito capital.It will propably last for about year without any outside help. What is your stand on the situation?

a) attack Ito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Ito (use pm)
c) demand Ito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Sagara of Higo
a) attack Sagara (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Sagara (use pm)
c) demand Sagara to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ryozoji of Hizen
a) attack Ryozoji (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Ryozoji (use pm)
c) demand Ryozoji to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Akizuki of Chikuzen
a) attack Akizuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Akizuki (use pm)
c) demand Akizuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Mori

Your moves?

1. Amako
a) attack Amako (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Amako (use pm)
c) demand Amako to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Amako

You have made good progress with your allies on the attack on Mimasaka.What are your plans now?

1. Mori
a) attack Mori (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Mori (use pm)
c) demand Mori to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Urakami
a) attack Urakami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Urakami (use pm)
c) demand Urakami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Yamana
a) attack Yamana (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Yamana (use pm)
c) demand Yamana to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Matsuda
a) attack Matsuda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Matsuda (use pm)
c) demand Matsuda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Urakami

You are in trouble currently.You are sieging one enemy and at the same time three of your enemies have nearly captured province from you.Is it time to activate the alliance with Mori? Or should you look for help from somewhere else?

1. Akamatsu
a) attack Akamatsu (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Akamatsu (use pm)
c) demand Akamatsu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Amako
a) attack Amako (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Amako (use pm)
c) demand Amako to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Yamana
a) attack Yamana (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Yamana (use pm)
c) demand Yamana to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Matsuda
a) attack Matsuda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Matsuda (use pm)
c) demand Matsuda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

5.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Miyoshi

You are successfull in Kwatchi while unsuccesfull in Yamato.The enemy in Yamato could threaten now Kyoto itself.What to now?Also Chosokabe seems to be growing fast in Shikoku.Is that an threat?

1. Hatakeyama
a) attack Hatakeyama (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Hatakeyama (use pm)
c) demand Hatakeyama to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Tsutsui
a) attack Tsutsui (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Tsutsui (use pm)
c) demand Tsutsui to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ashikaga Shogun
a) Kill Ashikaga Yoshiteru and announce yourself Shogun
b)Kill Ashikaga Yoshiteru and set someone else on his place
c) Try to negotiate with the Ahikaga Shogun,so he would be more on your favour (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Suzuki of Kii
a) attack Suzuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Suzuki (use pm)
c) demand Suzuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

4. Monto of Iga
a) attack Iga Monto (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Iga Monto (use pm)
c) demand Iga Monto to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

5. Asai of Omi
a) attack Asai (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Asai (use pm)
c) demand Asai to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

6. Urakami
a) attack Urakami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Urakami (use pm)
c) demand Urakami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

7. Hatano of Tamba
a) attack Hatano (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Hatano (use pm)
c) demand Hatano to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

8. Akamatsu of Harima
a) attack Akamatsu (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Akamatsu (use pm)
c) demand Akamatsu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

9. Kono of Iyo
a) attack Kono (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kono (use pm)
c) demand Kono to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

10. Chosokabe of Tosa
a) attack Chosokabe (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Chosokabe (use pm)
c) demand Chosokabe to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing

11.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Chosokabe

You have taken the Tosa province as the whole.The autmn is coming,so should you stabilize your domain or keep on pushing to take lands of other clans?

1. Kono of Iyo
a) attack Kono (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kono (use pm)
c) demand Kono to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Miyoshi
a) attack Miyoshi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Miyoshi (use pm)
c) demand Miyoshi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.


4.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Asai

You have invaded Ise with Saito,but what to do now when the masters of that province are facing you with an bigger army?


1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Asakura
a) attack Asakura (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Asakura
c) demand Asakura to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Miyoshi
a) attack Miyoshi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Miyoshi (use pm)
c) demand Miyoshi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Kitabatake
a) attack Kitabatake (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kitabatake (use pm)
c) demand Kitabatake to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Iga Monto
a) attack Iga Monto (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Iga Monto (use pm)
c) demand Iga Monto to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Hatano
a) attack Hatano (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Hatano (use pm)
c) demand Hatano to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Takeda of Wakasa
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Takeda (use pm)
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Asakura

Congratulations on your victory over the Kaga Monto. What will you do in the province?Will you kill all the remaining rebels or give amnesty to survivors?Any other moves?

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Asai
a) attack Asai (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Asai
c) demand Asai to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Takeda of Wakasa
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Takeda (use pm)
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Anegakoji of Hida
a) attack Anegakoji (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Anegakoji (use pm)
c) demand Anegakoji to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.


6.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Oda

It seems that the situation has changed.What to do now? It seems that Tokugawa wants to be an independent,what is Odas stand on that?

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Kitabatake
a) attack Kitabatake (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Kitabatake (use pm)
c) demand Kitabatake to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Imagawa
a) attack Imagawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Imagawa (use pm)
c) demand Imagawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) submit to rule of Imagawa
e) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6.Tokugawa
a) attack Tokugawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Tokugawa (use pm)
c) demand Tokugawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) submit to rule of Tokugawa
e) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm

7.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Imagawa

Rebellion of Ieasy has changed things.What to do now?Press on to Owari or deal with Ieasy one way or another?

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Oda
a) attack Oda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Oda
c) demand Oda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Takeda
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Takeda
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5.Tokugawa
a) attack Tokugawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to make peace with Tokugawa (use pm)
c) demand Tokugawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) submit to rule of Tokugawa
e) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm

6.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Takeda

What next?

1. Saito
a) attack Saito (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Saito
c) demand Saito to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Imagawa
a) attack Imagawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Imagawa
c) demand Imagawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Uesugi
a) attack Uesugi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Uesugi
c) demand Uesugi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Anegakoji of Hida
a) attack Anegakoji (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Anegakoji (use pm)
c) demand Anegakoji to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Jinbo of Etchu
a) attack Jinbo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Jinbo (use pm)
c) demand Jinbo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

8.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Hojo

What are Hojo´s plans for the Autumn?

1. Uesugi
a) attack Uesugi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Uesugi
c) demand Uesugi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Imagawa
a) attack Imagawa (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Imagawa
c) demand Imagawa to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Takeda
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) cancel alliance with Takeda
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Satomi
a) attack Satomi (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Satomi
c) demand Satomi to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Yuki
a) attack Yuki (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Yuki
c) demand Yuki to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Utsunomiya
a) attack Utsunomiya (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Utsunomiya
c) demand Utsunomiya to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. religion
a) support christianity on your lands
b) forbid christianity on your lands
c) turn into Christian yourself.
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Satomi

Your invasion on Shimosa has been succesfull. Will you accept Yuki clans surrender or not? Also do you have any other plans?

1. Yuki
a) accept surrender.
(other) explain on answering pm.

2. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Satake

You suprised Utsunomiya and everyone else with your scheme.There is possibility that many wont think well of how you handled your own ally.



2. Utsunomiya
a) kill Utsunomiya leadership
b) give Utsunomiya control of Shimotsuke as your vassals
c) spare Utsunomiya clan,but banish them
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Ashina
a) attack Ashina (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Ashina
c) demand Ashina to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.


4.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Uesugi

You were succesfull in Southern Dewa and also your forces helped to siege your enemies in Etchu.What now?

1. Mogami
a) attack Mogami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Mogami
c) demand Mogami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

2. Ashina
a) attack Ashina (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Ashina
c) demand Ashina to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

4. Takeda
a) attack Takeda (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Takeda
c) demand Takeda to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Hojo
a) attack Hojo (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to make peace with Hojo
c) demand Hojo to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Jinbo of Etchu
a) assault Toyoma (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b)try to ally with Jinbo (use pm)
c) demand Jinbo to become your vassal (use pm)
d)continue siege (could last atleast 2 years with your current forces)


7.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

Date

Your coalition succesfully surrounded Tendo. Will you finish the job now or are there more pressing issues?

1. Mogami
a) attack Mogami (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Mogami
c) demand Mogami to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.


2. Ashina
a) attack Ashina (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Ashina
c) demand Ashina to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

3. Nanbu of Northern Mutsu
a) attack Nanbu (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Nanbu
c) demand Nanbu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

5. Tenbu of Northern Dewa
a) assault Tendo castle (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) try to ally with Tendu
c) demand Tenbu to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
e)continue siege
other) explain on answering pm.

6. Oura of extremely Northern Mutsu
a) attack Oura (define with how many men and any allies that have agreed to support the attack)
b) end alliance with Oura
c) demand Oura to become your vassal (use pm)
d) do nothing
other) explain on answering pm.

7.Military
a)maintain the same army size
b)increase your army size
c) decrease your army size
d) do nothing

PS. I will pm additional info to the players that is not public during the next few days.:smash:

AggonyDuck
07-19-2007, 18:26
Definately an interesting update Kage. Seems like things are first starting to heat up. :2thumbsup:

Prince Cobra
07-20-2007, 10:32
I, Miyoshi Chokei, demand a full report about the current situation like the size of my armies province by province and all the information about the surrounding.

( The chapter was great, Kage, though it was not very good for the Miyoshi clan :smash: . Please send me the report as soon as possible and also the answers of the facti ons; actually all I am allowed to know; and also how much Hatakeyama can resist on my siege; thank you) :bow:

King Kurt
07-20-2007, 11:25
Great chapter Kage :bow:

- I am impressed with how you have handled what seems to be a highly confused situation with everybody attacking some and allying with others!! Do you intend to set us a date for when you need our moves?

Kagemusha
07-20-2007, 16:09
Thanks guys!:bow: Kurt i think next friday could be good for a deadline,if everyone thinks its ok, what is the current wiew.Has there been enough time for diplomacy? Im personally pretty disappointed about the decision options i give out currently. What you guys think,do you need specific options at all,like a,b,c on everything?

King Kurt
07-20-2007, 16:34
I don't think you need to give such multiple choice options for all neighbouring factions - we know the options. Perhaps a more broader question for the issues facing the clan might be better. Using my faction as an example:

1) Your conflict with the Mori - what next?

Then it is up to the quality of the move we put together as to what happens. This also gives you a bit more to play with. If one clan's move is quite bland or lacking in its details while an enemey has put a lot of work into their response then this can be a reflection on the clan's ability and planning. Legio's 17th Century IA had a sense of this. I think you should make us work at the quality of our responses as that makes for a better IA.

Prince Cobra
07-20-2007, 16:36
Thanks guys!:bow: Kurt i think next friday could be good for a deadline,if everyone thinks its ok, what is the current wiew.Has there been enough time for diplomacy? Im personally pretty disappointed about the decision options i give out currently. What you guys think,do you need specific options at all,like a,b,c on everything?

IMHO the time for diplomacy was enough. Not more but not less than necessary. As for the decisions a,b,c it gives the basic options so I do not mind. Well, there were some mistakes (like forgetting about my alliance with Asai) but it is acceptable since you have really many things to worry about. I think the current options are OK (since nobody expects full list of options that is impossible). You have no reason to worry, Kage.

AggonyDuck
07-20-2007, 18:09
Thanks guys!:bow: Kurt i think next friday could be good for a deadline,if everyone thinks its ok, what is the current wiew.Has there been enough time for diplomacy? Im personally pretty disappointed about the decision options i give out currently. What you guys think,do you need specific options at all,like a,b,c on everything?

Things have been great for now. There has been enough time for diplomacy and the "other" option tends to cover for the more specific options quite adequately. To be honest the only thing I do find lacking is the lack of more specific information required for detailed decision making, but providing highly detailed information is both impossible and highly tiresome, so I won't complain about that.

Also while I'm at it, did my emissary arrive or not at his destination? :bow:

Derfasciti
07-20-2007, 19:45
Cool chapter, Kage. Thank you and keep up the great work.:bow:

Next Friday is fine for me.

GiantMonkeyMan
07-20-2007, 23:50
hey Kage, i'm on holiday next week for about two weeks... if i don't send the orders by sunday then assume that i haven't had time and won't be able to and could you please get someone else to do it for me?

cheers
GMM

Tiberius of the Drake
07-22-2007, 02:39
Kage if yhere is any private info that needs to be sent to me can you do it asasp as im going away monday for a week.

shlin28
07-22-2007, 13:03
Sorry Kage, but i dont think i will be able to continue in this Interactive because i am just really busy at the moment...

darkragnar
07-22-2007, 23:49
excellent work mate, kudos.

But could you respond to a couple of PM's i sent you eariler if thats possible.

The choices are good, but i think what Stephen Asen says would be better, the quality of our respones should determine to some degree what happens next.

That ways atleast we'll get some sembiance of control of our clans, rather than following history.

Prince Cobra
07-23-2007, 08:08
excellent work mate, kudos.

But could you respond to a couple of PM's i sent you eariler if thats possible.

The choices are good, but i think what Stephen Asen says would be better, the quality of our respones should determine to some degree what happens next.

That ways atleast we'll get some sembiance of control of our clans, rather than following history.

I am not sure if we can talk about quality. Probably it is more to creativity to find out the way. And in some cases you would follow the history, in others not... What I said is that the main possibilities are all right but they are not always enough. And it is up to the player to decide whether they are enough or not for the particular moment. Actually, I think much of this has already happened and will give even an example - Franconicus. He was not very certain in the loyalty in his generals. So he had two basic choices: to attack or not. But he chose the middle one: to attack but to separate his armies. So much of this happens. :bow:

Franconicus
07-23-2007, 08:32
Thanks guys!:bow: Kurt i think next friday could be good for a deadline,if everyone thinks its ok, what is the current wiew.Has there been enough time for diplomacy? Im personally pretty disappointed about the decision options i give out currently. What you guys think,do you need specific options at all,like a,b,c on everything?

kagemusha-san,

I do not think that you have to give option at all, only if there are speial topics, like what about the Christian rebels in your country or what are you going to do with that emprisoned general?

What would be extremly helpful was a chart with who is fighting whom and who is allied with whom!

Announcement:

Legio, the beloved leader of Takeda clan, temporarily retired to a Buddhist monestary to gain more wisdom and to free his mind. During his absence you can contact me1 :bow:

IrishArmenian
07-23-2007, 21:53
I like the options, they serve as guidlines and we can go from there.

CountArach
07-24-2007, 10:27
Nice update!

What is the religious situation with the Christians across the lands?

Asakura annouce that it is content with the lands that it has gained from the rebellious peasants to our south. They will be hunted down and prosecuted. At that point, we shall engage in no further agression against any of our neighbours.

Derfasciti
07-24-2007, 18:05
I don't mind having the options at all. I like 'em!:smiley2:

Kagemusha
07-24-2007, 19:59
I will be sending the info pm´s to players tomorrow. If Shlin really doesnt have time to play, Mori is open for another player.

Seign Thelas
07-24-2007, 23:06
I'll take Mori if he doesn't want it.

Prince Cobra
07-26-2007, 08:50
I will be sending the info pm´s to players tomorrow.

Welcome, seignthelas!

Sorry, Kage, but I have not received any PM yet. If you are busy, then you can just put the deadline on Saturday or something like that. Otherwise, I am patient :yes: .

King Kurt
07-26-2007, 09:15
Kage

A friday move from me is not very likely as I have not yet got an answer to my PM.... any news?

SwordsMaster
07-26-2007, 11:36
Hi all, I have received everyone's PMs and will be responding today. Sorry about the long silence - was on a trip - but back now and ready to mobilise them samurai!:whip:

Kagemusha
07-26-2007, 14:27
Hi all! I have had an really busy week and i have to postpone the deadline untill next friday, since i have completely failed to deliver you the info you need. Im very sorry about that and try to do it as soon as possible.:embarassed:

Derfasciti
07-26-2007, 17:24
It's ok, Kage. No use crying over spilt milk as they say. I'm sure we'll all be here waiting patiently (if also a little anxiously) for you. :bow:

Seign Thelas
07-26-2007, 17:32
So is Shlin out?

shlin28
07-26-2007, 17:36
Yep

Seign Thelas
07-26-2007, 19:00
I guess I'll take Mori then...I hope you stay in the GIH :beam:

Prince Cobra
07-30-2007, 14:36
Kage, I expect the info. Probably I will go on a small holiday on Thursday (to the end of the week) so please send the report as soon as you can. :bow:

darkragnar
07-30-2007, 17:11
Kage, I expect the info. Probably I will go on a small holiday on Thursday (to the end of the week) so please send the report as soon as you can. :bow:
give him the man's got a lot to do besides the game.

I like this pace , it suits me perfectly it really lets get my RL things out of the way, the thread reminds me of Eating , best done slowly.

Kagemusha
07-31-2007, 21:17
Open letter from Matsudaira Motoasy aka Tokugawa Ieasy to Imagawa Yoshimoto and other Daimyos of Japan.

We declare Mikawa as province ruled by Tokugawa. For a time Imagawa has ruled here without no real mandate. We decided to take control of our destiny,while Imagawa threatens the lives of our loved ones.Nonetheless we will defend this province with all fury. To Takeda and Hojo. Why are you supporting the butcher Yoshimoto,when he has no legimite claim over Mikawa? Retreat your forces and we will become your friends. Any clan that accepts Tokugawa as Shugo of Mikawa,we will guarantee our eternal friendship.

Tokugawa Ieasy

IrishArmenian
08-01-2007, 20:47
Clan Date accepts Tokugawa rule over Mikawa!

Seign Thelas
08-01-2007, 20:48
Clan Mori is indifferent to the Tokugawa rule of Mikawa.

Franconicus
08-02-2007, 07:40
Imagawa imposes martial law on Mikawa. We outlaw the rebel Tokugawa Ieasy as well as his followers. There is a high reward on the head of Tokugawa.

Imagawa expels all members of Date clan from Her territory!

Imagawa Yoshimoto

Seign Thelas
08-02-2007, 08:02
Is chapter 2 still in effect?

Rodion Romanovich
08-02-2007, 17:33
Open letter from Matsudaira Motoasy aka Tokugawa Ieasy to Imagawa Yoshimoto and other Daimyos of Japan.

We declare Mikawa as province ruled by Tokugawa. For a time Imagawa has ruled here without no real mandate. We decided to take control of our destiny,while Imagawa threatens the lives of our loved ones.Nonetheless we will defend this province with all fury. To Takeda and Hojo. Why are you supporting the butcher Yoshimoto,when he has no legimite claim over Mikawa? Retreat your forces and we will become your friends. Any clan that accepts Tokugawa as Shugo of Mikawa,we will guarantee our eternal friendship.

Tokugawa Ieasy
The daimyo of Takeda wishes to announce his return. He makes the following annoucements to the honroable samurai of Takeda, as well as the entire people of Japan, including the daimyo of the other clans:
1. we would like to know about all significant negotiations that resulted in agreements with other clans, or were otherwise crucial, and we are happy to continue these negotiations

2. I come back from meditation in a Buddhist monastery. On the third night after my arrival there, I saw a sign in the sky. There was a red sign shaped like the sign for "death", and over it, a cross - the sign of the Poor-Toy-Geese. A voice spoke from the earth: take this message to your countrymen: "Buddhism is not only a religion for ourselves, but the culture and soul of our forefathers. Shall we kill the soul of our forefathers and submit to the murderous Poor-Toy-Geese? The Poor-Toy-Geese have not come in peace. Beware of their snake-like split tongues"

Takeda has decided to answer "no" to the question asked by the voice. Only Poor-Toy-Geese willing to sell weapons and carry out honorable affairs without trying to brainwash Takeda subjects into submission and slavery are welcome. They may trade their items in Takeda controlled territories, and will be payed well for this as long as it is merely a question of fair trade. Misled Takeda subjects who wish to practise the rites of Christianty will be allowed to do this, as long as they pay a tax for it, and it is additionally their duty to provide 10 muskets per practising Christian, or 1 cannon per 5 Christians. We allow this because Buddhism, unlike Christianity, is a religion that speaks of acceptance.

3. Takeda Shingen wishes to personally give his thanks to his dear ally Imagawa, whom he trusts has handled the affairs of his clan well in his absense. He also greets the new daimyo of Hojo, Swordsmaster-san. May our friendship flourish as much as in the days of Ichigo-san!

4. the unpatriotic band of robbers and murderers in the province of Mikawa have found a more than lousy excuse for raping and murdering innocent civilians and disrespecting Imagawa's law in their province. That they call themselves "clan" instead of "band" is disrespectful of our traditions in Japan, and a humiliation to all clans in our beloved home isles, as well as to the shogun himself. Takeda wishes to inform the Tokugawa band that it is every man's duty to follow the law, and if there's a valid complaint against the way Imagawa rules the Mikawa province, the only justifiable procedure is to contact representatives of the administration in the province, or the shogun. To take up arms is the way of brutes and savages. Takeda can not promise clemency for those brigands who don't lay down their weapons, until we have discussed the matter with Imagawa, but those who do turn back to the righteous side, will be allowed to settle in Takeda territory with full rights as any other citizen, provided they swear and oath to support Takeda and Imagawa and never take up arms in such a dishonorable way again. If they had valid complaints we are also confident that our allies will listen to them through the abovementioned procedures.

5. which side started the war between Jinbo and Shiina? Both are our friends, and we therefore have to choose which side to support. All our allies are held in high regard and given the support they deserve, however, when we must choose between an aggressor who disrespectes the virtues peace, justice and freedom, and a side who merely defends himself against such an aggressor, the choice is easy to make. Better still is however the alternative of peace. If there's still a chance that these two warring parts could settle their conflict peacefully, we offer to act as mediators.

Seign Thelas
08-02-2007, 20:28
The Mori daimyo does not condemn Christianity, nor does he condone it.

Kagemusha
08-06-2007, 06:29
Waiting decisions from Shimazu,Otomo,Chosokabe, Urakami and Satomi.:yes:

Derfasciti
08-06-2007, 08:53
I'd send you the orders, but your box is full. :(

GiantMonkeyMan
08-06-2007, 09:07
sorry guys, I've not been having as much time available to be on the .org these days and i doubt i'd be able to focus on two IH's and since i haven't really had a chance to get stuck into this one yet (i went on holiday), I'm going to have to step out and focus on the NATO-Warsaw Pact one :embarassed:

sorry
GMM

Prince Cobra
08-06-2007, 14:04
Kage, could you find some space for one up-date of mine decisions. :bow:

Kagemusha
08-06-2007, 14:20
Now there is space.:yes: Damned the box gets full fast.Im really sad to see you go GiantMonkeyman,please reconsider,since the pace isnt too fast for this one,but taking in new people on each round will be pretty hard.:sweatdrop:

King Kurt
08-06-2007, 14:39
Kage - I never recieved a PM re our detailed info... I also see that you are not expecting a decision from me!! - strange as I haven't sent one yet!!!!!!!!

Kagemusha
08-06-2007, 14:42
Sorry Kurt.You will get yours and also you can send your decisions.:shame: Few additional things. In the start of the game each player has been informed about the maximum amount of men they can raise from their provinces. So basicly when you enlarge your armies,thats the limit. If you will get a new areas under your control,i will send you info about how many more you can field then.If you dont get information about increased troop capacity straight after you have taken a province,that means that you cant recruit from that province yet. Usually it takes several seasons untill you gain complete control over province,in some cases even more.Edit: Created a list of the ownership of the provinces of Japan on the first post. It will be edited after each chapter. If any of you feel that you need more information please pm me with the question. Im very sorry for my slappines.

Rodion Romanovich
08-06-2007, 20:01
From Takeda:

Takeda will send 1,000 neutral troops to supervise the conflict between Jinbo and Shiina to make sure neither side commits any atrocities. These troops are neutral and Takeda will consider it a declaration of war on our clan, and a disrespectful transgression towards the shogun, if they are attacked without reason.

Prince Cobra
08-07-2007, 14:44
sorry guys, I've not been having as much time available to be on the .org these days and i doubt i'd be able to focus on two IH's and since i haven't really had a chance to get stuck into this one yet (i went on holiday), I'm going to have to step out and focus on the NATO-Warsaw Pact one :embarassed:

sorry
GMM

Kage is right the pace is slow which is good so you can reconsider it. But it is you who choose.

Your ally,

Miyoshi Chokei

Derfasciti
08-07-2007, 15:12
Orders sent, Kage. :bow:

CountArach
08-10-2007, 04:10
I can't remember if I sent my orders or not. I think I did...

Tiberius of the Drake
08-10-2007, 04:29
err....can we expect an update soon?

Kagemusha
08-10-2007, 06:04
Once we get answers from all the respective Clan leaders.:yes:

Kagemusha
08-10-2007, 12:57
Waiting answers from Otomo and Urakami. I will have to take that GMM quit as Asai, which is very unfortunate and i will be taking over Asai for the following season, unless GiantMonkeyMan chances his mind before Otomo and Urakami have sent their decisions. Guys please hurry up,so i could write the chapter during this weekend.:yes:

AggonyDuck
08-10-2007, 16:42
Well if they do not send you decisions by tomorrow morning, you could always do the decisions for them.

Kagemusha
08-11-2007, 00:15
Well if they do not send you decisions by tomorrow morning, you could always do the decisions for them.

I agree. I will get the next chapter up on Sunday. With or without their decisions.:yes:

CountArach
08-11-2007, 00:24
Yay!

IrishArmenian
08-12-2007, 05:58
Have Clan Date's messengers arrived?

Kagemusha
08-12-2007, 06:34
Have Clan Date's messengers arrived?

Yes they have. A long time a go.:bow:

Kagemusha
08-12-2007, 21:39
Chapter 3. Autumn 1560.

The harvest season doesnt seem to make any halt on the ongoing wars across Japan. War rages on all main islands as intensive as before.
On the island of Kyushu,after many months of siege Shimazu Takahisa have had enough of the prolonged siege of Obi castle and after negotiations with Sagara. He decides to order an all out assault against the Ito capital.
On the morning of september 11th the combined Shimazu, Sagara force launch an ferocious assault against the walls and gates of Obi castle. the 18000 strong force pour against the walls supported by strong fire from teppos and Yumi ashigarus. But the 6000 strong Ito garrison fight of all attacks during the first day with ferocity rarely seen on the battlefields of Japan.
After hearing the casulties numbering almost 3000 men, Takahisa decides to lead the attacks on the second day personally. He decides to gather a elite force of most courageous Shimazu samurais to attack a certain side gate of Obi, while other parts of army will launch diversive attacks on other parts of defences.
Joining the battle personally Shimazu Takahisa plows off all enemies from his Satsuma Samurais path. After hours of heavy fighting the Shimazu force secures the Western gate of Obi and other parts of the army start pouring in from the gap.
Seeing the desperate situation, Ito Yoshisuke commands to abort the outer defences and the rest of the defenders,now numbering about 2000 withdraw to inner walls and are able to secure its defenses before the night fall.
After the second day of assault the casulties in Shimazu,Sagara army are already well over 7000 men,while Ito has lost about 3000 most in the confusion of the second day, when they were making a fighting withdrawal to the inner walls of Obi. During the night of september 13th,Shimazu forces secure the outer parts of defences, destroying pockets of resistance that remain still here and there. Ito Yoshisuke orders to play flute during the night and the combined sounds of flute, random musket shots and fighting sounds,create an ghostly atmosphere on the Obi castle.
At morning of 13th Takahisa continues his determined attack against the inner walls of Obi. He masses all possible teppo´s and bows against the main gate of the inner castle,creating a storm of flaming arrows and shots of muskets. Around noon the infantry starts an attack against the main gate, but in vain.The remaining Ito Samurai and Ahigaru,push back the attackers time and time again, creating huge casulties. At the evening of 13th its clear that the fortress havent been taken. Takahisa decides to give his troops few hours of rest and gives orders that at midnight the gates should be tryed to torch. So during the night,Shimazu troops carry bundles of hay and branches, to all gates under heavy fire from the castle. Few hours after dawn the besieger starts loosing flame arrows to those bundles and infantry run giant torched rams against the gates,setting the gates a blaze.
At the early hours of morning of 14th the gates and gate houses ar but charred remains and Takahisa orders an final assault against the castle. Ito Yoshisuke greets the attacker on the inner yard of the castle. The Ito warriors fight to the last man. Youshisuke himself among the last of them. Already wounded by yari spear, many arrows and katana slashes, he finally grumbles at the stairs of the main donjon of the castle after hit from numerous musket balls.
So the Obi castle and with it the Hyuaga province fall in hands of Shimazu. But with terrible prize. While Ito clan has ceased to exist along many of its retainer clans meaning all 6000 men at their disposal are dead, wounded or run away. The besieger suffered even more. During the four day assault against Obi Shimazu has lost about 7000 men while Sagara´s casulties are about 3000.
After counting the casulties, Sagara Yoshiaki explains to Shimazu Takahisa that with his few men he can hardly protect his own province and proposes to submit under Shimazu authority, if Shimazu can protect them and their province. The huge casulties of Shimazu will mean that it will take some time,before Shimazu can again start offensive operations against anyone.

At the northern Kyushu, The combined army of Ryozoji and Akizuki under leadership of Ryozoji Takanobu take complete control of Otomo province of Chikugo, becouse of the lack of activity from Otomos part,without reinforcements the local Otomo garrisons surrender one by one to larger Ryozoji army. Otomo leadership seems somehow paralyzed,but atleast there are indications that they are mobilizing their armies in Bungo and Buzen.

On the Western Honshu, peace deal is made between Mori and Amako. It seems that Mori has decided not to interfere on the Amakos campaign against Urakami. The province of Iwami and the large profits,from its silvermines are divided equally between Mori and Amako. Both sides effectively move most of their troops from the province.

Amako and Yamana troops take down the remaining Urakami forces in Mimasaka during autumn loosing about 2000 men,the casulties are about half and half for Amako and Yamana. Most of the casulties are spearmen. Yamana starts negotiations with Amako about the future of province by suggesting to split it half and half with Amako,so Amako would rule the eastern part and Yamana the western part.
Urakami,decides to withdraw its troops from Harima and concentrate on defense of Bizen.

On Shikoku, Chosokabe continues its shock tactics. With his new forces gained from conquering Ichijo. Chosokabe Kunichika launches an all out assault against Kono,numbering about 14000 men. As Kono has been carefully monitoring the situation they start immediately delaying action against the attacker,thus gaining time to prepare their defences and call their men to arms. At the end of September the army lead by Chosokabe Kunichika lays siege to Kono capital Kutsunashima, which is garrisoned by 7000 Kono warriors and have large storages of supplies. Miyoshi doesnt show any reaction yet to Chosokabes agressive campaign to conquer Shikoku. But in Honshu the situation is completely different.

The garrison of Kyoto is put on high alert and the warrior monks from Mount Hiei are refused to enter the city. Against the speculations,Tsutsui stays out from Yamashiro and it seems they are just securing Yamato.
In Kwatchi Miyoshi continues reinforcing its forces there and also continue sigeing Hatakeyama capital. Altough there are no indications that the castle is about to fall,its estimated to last atleast the next summer. There are rumours that the Hatakeyama daimyo might be sick,but that doesnt chance the situation. The Miysohi forces under Miyoshi Yoshikata prepare for a long siege and the hardships of winter siege carefully.

At Ise the combined Asai & Saito army decide to attack Kitabatake, but are defeated on a plain at Northern Ise. Kitabatake Harumoto with his larger force of about 8000 men defeats the Asai lead 6000 strong army easily as they are forced to attack prepared defences. After the attacker has tired trying to get pass the Kitabatake defences, Harumoto suddenly charges all of his cavalry against the left flank of the attacker causing mass rout. Kitabatake looses only about 500 men in the battle,while the combined Asai and Saito casulties number about 4000. The remnants of the army withdraw from Ise unharassed as Kitabatake decides not to follow them.

While their ally Asai has suffered defeat, Asakura sends 3000 men to protect the Asai lands after the defeat. In Kaga.Asakura concentrates on terminating all the rebellious elements during the autumn months and is succesfull in that annexing Kaga completely before winter. Also great purges of Christians are started in Asakura lands.Many missionaries and other christians are executed and rest flee from the provinces under Asakura rule. While in Kaga which has been long under buddhist extrimist the purges are wellcomed and population is very happy with the new lords of the province.

On the Tokaido coast war rips through the land as more and more troops march in to take part of the huge war.In early august Imagawa lays siege to Okazaki the Tokugawa capital with army of about 30000 men. The 10000 Tokugawa troops defend the castle with determination and Imagawa Yoshimoto decides to keep on sieging the castle without assaulting it. Simultaneously he deploys most of his cavalry to scout Mikawa in order to locate the Oda army, while waiting for reinforcements from Takeda and Hojo,numbering about 14000 men.
Oda runs early to Imagawa scouts with their own and few minor clashes happend between the forces with mixed results. Nevertheless Oda marches towards Okazaki and camps on a safe distance from the castle.

On september 2nd Imagawa receives information that long distance scouts have spotted an Hojo contingent marching towards Okazaki from the East.Also there are indications that the Oda is preparing to attack and has broken camp. Yoshimoto decides to send message to Hojo force to attack the Oda flank when they reach the battle. The Takeda force is also located,but they cant reach Okazaki before the next morning.

At the evening of 2nd the Tsukai Ban scouts of Imagawa come into contact with the Hojo forces, about hour or so of march from Okazaki, but as they reach the force.They are suddenly killed and none of them are able to run away to tell about the deception.

After about an hour or so the Hojo force marches in the vicinity of Imagawa,while Oda has only made little contact during the day. Imagawa thinks that his messengers have been guiding the Hojo force towards the main army and is not suspecting anything extraordinary, he just complains to his retainers that the Hojo force is miss located,as they should have striked the Odas right flank. As he sends messengers to the contingent they are met with hail of bullets and the contingent slams into rear of the Imagawa Takeda army. At the same time Tokugawa orders a full scale sally from the castle and the Oda attacks from the front. When Takeda Yoshinobu the commander of the Takeda contingent realizes the situation,he dispatches his best scouts to bring word to the 9000 strong Takeda reinforcements led by Yamamoto Kansuke to come as quickly as they possibly can to the rescue. Imitially the suprise works in the benefit of the Oda, but their main target Yoshimoto is not captured or killed thanks to the brave fight of Yoshimotos hatamoto. The Imagawa,Takeda army is pushed from three sides and it has no other option then to withdraw north where there is still open corridor to escape. After suffering large casulties they manage to withdraw and after few hours of nightly attacks Yamamoto Kansukes reinforcements end the Oda,Tokugawa assaults.
But the result is clear.Again Nobunaga has outsmarted his enemy. The devious plan clears up on the following day when the first scouts of the real Hojo contingent reach the allied army and are shot when seen. The second ones are able to make contact and the situation reveals itself. The first "Hojo" contingent was infact Oda troops dressed with Hojo heraldry.
The casulties of the allied side are about 9000,while Oda and Tokugawa have lost less then 2000 men. Okazaki is again free from Siege and the winter is coming which will make campaigning lot harder. The two armies camp,the allied one numbering now about 35000 in the Eastern Mikawa,while the Oda Tokugawa numbering about 21500 around Okazaki.

On Etchu,Takeda sends a small detachment to the province while Uesugi has strengthened the sieging army with sonsiderable reinforcements. Takeda sends messengers to all sides that they are coming in peace and offer to evacuate the women and children from Toyma castle. While Shiina and Uesugi accept the proposal,Jinbo answers that they rather die together if they have to and say to Takeda envoy that if they wont to save Jinbo clan from perishing they should next time send a force large enough to defeat Uesugi and Shiina army. The siege continues and it seems that the castle will be able to hold until the next spring.

At Kozuke,Uesugi withdraws from the province after they have made peace with Hojo,thus granting Hojo the full ownership of the province.

In the eastern Japan,Satomi banishes Yuki clan after its surrender.The Yuki leadership goes to Hojo and ask for Asylum there. Satake has been as ruthless as their allies and in face of the Satake terms,Utsinomiya Hirotsuna commits seppuku in the Satake hands.Many neighbours including Ashina,consider the ruthlesness of Satake to be repulsive.

In the North the Date clan and its allies decide to wait out the fall of Tendo capital.It seems that it will be miracle if it lasts the winter.

Options for the winter 1561

Shimazu

You have taken your objectives,but need to refill before advancing possibly further.Also with your new regions you have met new neighbours.

Plans for Otomo?

Plans for Ryozoji?

Otomo

You have lost Chikugo to Ryozoji.Also with conquering and annexing Hyaga and Higo, Shimazu has become you neighbour.

Plans on war against Ryozoji& Akizuki?

Plans for Shimazu?

Mori

You have made peace with Amako thus stabilizing your domain. In Kuyshu Otomo seems to be in trouble,maybe there is something to gain?

Plans for Amako?

Plans for Otomo?

Amako.

You have captured Mimasaka with Yamana.It seems that Yamana wants to negotiate about the province.Also winter is coming.What to do with the war with Urakami?

Plans for Yamana?

Plans for Urakami?

Plans for Mori?

Urakami

You have lost Mimasaka and seem to be surrounded by hostile powers.Plans to get out from this mess?

Plans for Amako?

Plans for Yamana?

Plans for Akamatsu?

Chosokabe

You are continuing your Blitzkrieg,but the winter is coming.Your plans for the winter?

Plans for Kono?

Plans for Miyoshi?

Miyoshi.

The situation seem to have stabilized a bit in Kinai,but Chosokabe is roaming around in Shikoku.

Your plans?

Asai.

You have been defeated at Ise,but your allies have brought more troops to defend your home province.

Plans for Kitabatake?

Any other plans?

Asakura

You have taken full control of Kaga.What to do next,or will you remain in place for the winter?

Your plans?

Oda

You have defeated your enemies again,but in the war of attrition you cant outsmart your enemies for ever.

Your plans?

Imagawa

You have been defeated now twiceand your army in Mikawa is mostly made from your allies,but still your home provinces are intact.

Your plans for the winter?

Takeda

It seems your chivalric offer to Jinbo has failed.What to do in north? Also will you continue your large commitment in Mikawa?

Your plans?

Hojo

You have gained control of Kozuke,thus increasing your power.Also the Yuki seeks refuge from you.Will you accept them.Also what to do with the Satomi, Satake alliance and what to do with situation in Mikawa?

Your plans?

Satomi

You have taken control of Kazusa. What next?

Your plans?

Satake

You have gained complete control of Shimotsuke after seppuku of Utsunomiya daimyo.What next?

Uesugi

You lost Kozuke in peace to Hojo,but gained little yet from other places.What to do next?

Your plans?

Date.The Tendo are about to fall.Your next plans?

Your plans?

Rodion Romanovich
08-12-2007, 22:38
From Takeda:

Takeda has, as you may know, kept a force to supervise the war between Jinbo and Shiina and to report of any atrocities committed by either side. It turns out that the men of the Jinbo clan are holding women and children from their home province hostage inside the Jinbo castle that the Shiina have put under siege, in order to make it impossible for the Shiina to attack without potentially by accident killing one or more of these women and children. If this course of action from the Jinbo clan is not an atrocity, then we don't know what is.

We promised earlier that we would coordinate our actions with Uesugi and Shiina if we found the Jinbo to be guilty of atrocities (just as we promised the opposite if Shiina were to do the same). Now we will fulfill that promise. Our forces outside the castle number 1,000 men. We have 6,500 more on their way to the castle. These forces will assist in the siege, and have been ordered to coordinate the military actions with Shiina and Uesugi as is best to overcome the Jinbo forces and save the women and children that they hold as hostages.

Additionally, we would like to discuss with Uesugi and Shiina how to diplomatically handle the situation in the province after Jinbo have been defeated. Takeda suggests an offer of clemency and freedom to all clan members expect those that are directly responsible for the hostage taking, who should be tried in a neutral court - perhaps the shogun's court, and punished or released as per the judgement of this legal council. Takeda also offers to garrison the western two thirds of Jinbo's province, while Shiina, under supervision from their official protector Uesugi, should take the responsibility to maintain order in the eastern third.

Finally, we would also like to plead Jinbo to surrender without unnecessary further bloodshed, and hand over the hostage women and children to safety. If you wish to fight to death for your right to commit atrocities, then go ahead, but have the decency to avoid dragging innocents into this battle. Women and children are not soldiers. We offered our help to escort them safely either to our own domains until the war was over, and would also have accepted to escort them to any of your own cities of choice, and if you had accepted while Shiina had not, we would have given you our full support. Let it be known in your home province that you are a man who has no respect for the lives of women and children, or any other innocent civilians living in it.

Takeda Shingen

Tiberius of the Drake
08-13-2007, 00:43
A message to the daimyos of Japan,

regarding the fate of Utsonomiya, I did offer him another option in which he would become my vassal and be spared. He chose seppuku. also his family has been spared.

Satake Yosiaki

AggonyDuck
08-13-2007, 17:22
A brilliant update again. Will be interesting to see if the battles cools down for the winter. :2thumbsup:

Kagemusha
08-13-2007, 18:07
Message from Jinbo Nagamoto to Takeda Shingen

We have received the announcement of Takeda and would like to ask why are we accused of taking hostages? Taking our own families as hostage? Jinbo Clan will live and die as together men,women and children. Also we would like to point the fact that any of our women can beat atleast two of Shiina or Uesugi samurais in battle,so why send away warriors more fierce then our enemies?

Jinbo Nagamoto

Rodion Romanovich
08-13-2007, 18:57
From Takeda:

Why should we trust the words of the hostage takers themselves? That these women would like to die to defend the dubious cause you represent, we doubt strongly. And that you claim that children too young to even hold a musket or katana in their hands are willing to "die in battle" - is something we are not foolish enough to believe in. This is by the way a meaningless battle for no other cause than your own personal pride as a man, and not your pride as a protector and leader of your clan.

Kagemusha
08-13-2007, 19:09
From Jinbo

We dont understand the words of Takeda. Since for ever the wifes of Samurai have fought their enemies when needed,if enemy has attacked their home castles. There is not an single hostage in Toyma.
Also what is this talk about futile fighting.If our enemies attack us,we will fight them.This has been the way of Bushi always and always it will be the way also. Isnt it better to fight and die like men,then submit to others like cowards? What is this talk of Takeda,who are so well known of ther fighting spirit. If you act like you and your allies are fighting for the cause of Ashikaga Shogun. Why then you havent submitted to Uesugi Kenshin,who is the Ashikaga appointed Kanto Kanrei and should hold the authority of Shogun in Kanto region? We can honestly say that we will not bow to Ashikaga,becouse he is no true Shogun, merely a puppet of Miyoshi clan. Why are you trying to show up as other then you actually are?

Rodion Romanovich
08-13-2007, 19:42
From Takeda:

So, you claim all women and children are combattants and may be slain as such? Is that what you would do when conquering a province? Kill the children that are too young to lift a musket or katana? Would you kill Buddhist monks too? Takeda at least does not think women and children fight like men, because they are not men, but women and children. But perhaps your men fight like your women and children, so that there is no difference between them? Then this will be an easy fight.

We are fighting for the cause of peace and stability in our isles. We don't wish for a despotic shogun either, but for a shogun who looks to the best interests of us all, and coordinates his ruling with a council consisting of the wisest daimyo. A single daimyo trying to conquer all others will not establish peace in these isles: that daimyo will soon lose all his gains to an alliance consisting of all he tried to conquer, and the wars will start over from the beginning again. And truly, is it your sense of honorable death to die in a dirty struggle between peasant armies 50 times smaller than even the smallest armies put in the field by other nations, in a struggle between countrymen killing each other?

AggonyDuck
08-13-2007, 20:17
From Takeda:

So, you claim all women and children are combattants and may be slain as such? Is that what you would do when conquering a province? Kill the children that are too young to lift a musket or katana? Would you kill Buddhist monks too? Takeda at least does not think women and children fight like men, because they are not men, but women and children. But perhaps your men fight like your women and children, so that there is no difference between them? Then this will be an easy fight.

We are fighting for the cause of peace and stability in our isles. We don't wish for a despotic shogun either, but for a shogun who looks to the best interests of us all, and coordinates his ruling with a council consisting of the wisest daimyo. A single daimyo trying to conquer all others will not establish peace in these isles: that daimyo will soon lose all his gains to an alliance consisting of all he tried to conquer, and the wars will start over from the beginning again. And truly, is it your sense of honorable death to die in a dirty struggle between peasant armies 50 times smaller than even the smallest armies put in the field by other nations, in a struggle between countrymen killing each other?

So the great Shingen still fails to see that without a powerful army behind him the Shogun is naught but a powerless puppet of the feuding daimyo, as the Ashikaga Shogunate has clearly shown during the recent century. Our country can only be united by the sword and it can only be ruled by the sword. But a strong sword itself is worthless without the wits to utilise it properly, so no doubt a wise and powerful Shogun will arise from this era of strife.

Kagemusha
08-13-2007, 20:20
From Jinbo

Our families will die by their own hand rather then submit to enemy. Maybe Takeda has spent too much time with the European missionaries, becouse they are talking like foreigners. You want to change Japan to something else then it is. Emperor rules with divine mandate. Shogun is the one who has the power over all others, Shogun places his key allies and retainers to govern provinces as Shugo´s. That is the way Japan is governed, for now and in the future. What divine mandate does Takeda and its allies hold to judge others? What puts Takeda in place above others?

Rodion Romanovich
08-14-2007, 09:56
So the great Shingen still fails to see that without a powerful army behind him the Shogun is naught but a powerless puppet of the feuding daimyo, as the Ashikaga Shogunate has clearly shown during the recent century. Our country can only be united by the sword and it can only be ruled by the sword. But a strong sword itself is worthless without the wits to utilise it properly, so no doubt a wise and powerful Shogun will arise from this era of strife.
Our country can and will be united by a strong army: the army of the righteous clans who seek unity and peace over own power, richess, humiliation of others, and raping and murdering women and children. All are allowed to join this cause, and they will surely in the end become more powerful than those who seek power first. There are greater battles to be fought outside these islands, against our true enemies. And with the Poor-Toy-Geese trying to invade, we must stand united for our own survival! Is your concept of honor so brutish that you would rather kill your neighbor - your countryman - over an acre and then be defeated by the Poor-Toy-Geese: odd and foreign monsters as they are?

To stand up to this threat we do not only need a military leader, but also one who can make alliances and make sure there is food for the people, there are industries for weaponry, and vivid trade. We need merit to elect the offices: the best commander leads the military, the wisest daimyo lead a council to gather information and advice the shogun, and the divinely empowered shogun makes decisions based on the advice given by these councils.

You, Oda Nobunaga, are neither a skilled commander - for luck in the field of battle abandons men at the most inconvenient of times and you have shown to be foolish enough to go to battle with opposition stronger than yourself, risking to lose all instead of waiting for better times when victory is possible. You seek battle and bloodshed, not victory. And diplomacy and politics are things you know nothing of either. A Japan under your greedy rule would contain exterminations, rape, and you would lead our mighty nation to death.

Rodion Romanovich
08-14-2007, 10:03
From Jinbo

Our families will die by their own hand rather then submit to enemy. Maybe Takeda has spent too much time with the European missionaries, becouse they are talking like foreigners. You want to change Japan to something else then it is. Emperor rules with divine mandate. Shogun is the one who has the power over all others, Shogun places his key allies and retainers to govern provinces as Shugo´s. That is the way Japan is governed, for now and in the future. What divine mandate does Takeda and its allies hold to judge others? What puts Takeda in place above others?
You will have to try this defense again when you have been defeated and sent to a neutral court to be tried for the murder of women and children and your abuse of the mandate the shogun gave you to rule part of Etchu. I doubt it will help you much. You speak loud for a man who fights like a woman. Remember that you have a chance of not dishonoring yourself by never lifting the sword, that nobody may ever see how feebly you swing it.

Franconicus
08-14-2007, 10:04
So the great Shingen still fails to see that without a powerful army behind him the Shogun is naught but a powerless puppet of the feuding daimyo, as the Ashikaga Shogunate has clearly shown during the recent century. Our country can only be united by the sword and it can only be ruled by the sword. But a strong sword itself is worthless without the wits to utilise it properly, so no doubt a wise and powerful Shogun will arise from this era of strife.

Our great country will certainly not be ruled by anybody who is allied with traitors!

Kagemusha
08-14-2007, 15:23
Some points in general. Winter time will not be good for campaigning. Unless you have already planted a supply chain before hand to the target area of your campaign, there will be casulties coming from frost bites,starvation and desertion. Becouse many mountain passes will be blocked completely,in many regions, moving an large army specially in unknown terrain will be hazardious. About mercenaries.
Becouse of the feodal nature of Japan, there arent many mercenaries (ronin) for hire,specially at this stage. Most are just individuals and not large groups of men, becouse local lords didnt tolerate wondering groups inside their domains, becouse they couldnt have lived without ravaging the countryside.
So be carefull not to overstretch your armies. Casulties can be repaired, but it takes time to train more Ashigarus to fill in the places of the dead ones. Guys would Sunday 19th be a good deadline for your answers for the winter 1561?

seireikhaan
08-14-2007, 17:42
The 19th should work fine. Also, another great chapter, Kagemusha-Sama.

Seign Thelas
08-15-2007, 01:17
The Mori hereby declare we do not wish for war with any other of the Daimyo of Japan. We wish for a peaceful solution to the current civil war that embroils the country and would like to form a large scale alliance with any willing Daimyo, near or far from our lands. We hold no ill will toward any Daimyo, and forgive all past wars with any and all we have fought.

---

And as for the deadline, the 19th is good.

Rodion Romanovich
08-15-2007, 09:20
From Takeda:

We would like to announce that many of our informers confirm that civilians in the province of Mikawa are facing starvation, due to the brigand Tokugawa Ieasy who, aided by the threacherous Oda Nobunaga, are blocking Takeda and Imagawa from sending aid to the civilians in this province, which rightfully belongs to Imagawa. They have already more than once tried to fool us that they would allow us to enter the province with supplies, only to treacherously ambush our men while wearing our own uniforms, and stealing the supplies aimed at the civilians for their own band of brigands. Therefore, any civilian refugees from the province (who are forced to flee because of this Oda and Tokugawa brutality) are welcome to settle in Takeda domains, or temporarily or permanently be recruited into Takeda's army to fight to liberate the province again. We extend the same offer to civilians in Oda's home domains in Owari, who must realize that with leaders so respectless of civilian lives, the same fate may soon strike Owari as well.

Any Oda or Tokugawa spies trying to abuse this hospitality will be summarily executed as the lowest of dogs for trying to ruin a service aimed to save the lives of innocent civilians.

We also encourage all civilians in Mikawa and Owari to wage an all out partisan guerilla war on the brigand forces to make sure their supplies are disrupted and their forces start deserting, so that the Takeda-Imagawa-Hojo liberation army will have an easier time liberating the province.

Finally, we announce a trade embargo on Oda and Tokugawa. Selling rice, meat or weaponry to either of these two is strictly forbidden. However, spices, dyes, jewelry and similar artifacts may still be sold freely to them, and merchants who manage to fool Oda and Tokugawa to pay overprice for such products, will be greatly rewarded.

AggonyDuck
08-15-2007, 14:34
We do not have any problems with you sending supplies to our peasants, in fact we would welcome it, but we do have a problem with the fact that it seems to be that all your supplies are used just to supply your 35,000 strong army in Mikawa. If you are truly interested in stopping a humanitarian crisis, then leave Mikawa with your army. Anything else is just an act of sheer hypocrisy from your part.

Oda Nobunaga

Prince Cobra
08-15-2007, 14:58
Who rules Asai now?

Rodion Romanovich
08-15-2007, 15:03
From Takeda:

Dear Oda Nobunaga, we are not fools enough to listen to your promises that we are allowed to bring food to the civilians again, only to be ambushed a third time. Instead we offer to now help the civilians in the way we can: by offering them shelter and settling in our provinces. In due time, our army will move into Mikawa and liberate it as well as Owari, and then be capable of bringing supplies to these province without risking to be ambushed by Oda and Tokugawa brigands and rapists.

Kagemusha
08-15-2007, 15:03
Who rules Asai now?

I do currently.:smash:

Kagemusha
08-15-2007, 19:22
https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/9377/1560ks7.jpg

Here above in the spoiler tags is an map for helping to visualize the current holdings of the playable clans. Im planning to put it also to the first post of the interactive and update it as changes happen.Do you guys think,should i add the playable/ unplayable clan names to it,or does it already do its job,like it is?

Rodion Romanovich
08-15-2007, 19:27
It's good as it is, IMO :2thumbsup:

SwordsMaster
08-15-2007, 21:38
I'd like the names added, please, and also the province names if at all possible. My japanese geography is still far from great

Kagemusha
08-15-2007, 22:06
I'd like the names added, please, and also the province names if at all possible. My japanese geography is still far from great

Swordsmaster.Have you checked the map link on the first post on the provinces of Japan? Also here are more then few from where it came from::bow:

http://samurai-archives.com/maphome.html

SwordsMaster
08-15-2007, 22:53
Swordsmaster.Have you checked the map link on the first post on the provinces of Japan? Also here are more then few from where it came from::bow:

http://samurai-archives.com/maphome.html

Yeah, but i thought if you're making a new map anyway, we could have all the info on it. That way there's no need to have 3 of them open...

Lazy who? me?:no:

Kagemusha
08-15-2007, 23:01
Yeah, but i thought if you're making a new map anyway, we could have all the info on it. That way there's no need to have 3 of them open...

Lazy who? me?:no:

The thing is that with all that info including names of provinces, Clans and colours,the map will get messy and the small central provinces almost impossible to do. So the province names will be no, no. The map from archives deals with that completely.:smash:

Seign Thelas
08-15-2007, 23:10
Could you label the clans, at least? I'm colorblind, and where I think its Hojo and Uesugi are, I can't tell where one starts and the next begins.

CountArach
08-15-2007, 23:41
A key on the side would be helpful.

darkragnar
08-16-2007, 05:02
let me be the first say awesome work man, that really helps out a lot.
I just realized i have way more neighbours than i perviously thought i had.

darkragnar
08-16-2007, 05:15
An Emissary to the Clan Kono from clan Chosokabe
My Lord,i bring word from lord Chosokabe, he wishes me to say that, the time is right for all wise me to consider the words of Sun Tzu and to apply sensai's teachings to the situation that they find themselves in, please make sure that you will follow the same path and arrive at the same destination as he.

He humbly requests an meeting with you Lord to clear up this unfortunate series of events that have spiraled out of order because he did not wish for all these tragic events to occur and would like a chance to clear this misunderstanding with you.

Kagemusha
08-16-2007, 06:03
Ok. I will name the clans in the map this evening,when i get back home from work.:bow:

King Kurt
08-16-2007, 11:08
Kage

Great map - even more useful with a colour code for the Clans.

Franconicus
08-16-2007, 14:12
Ok. I will name the clans in the map this evening,when i get back home from work.:bow:
Excellent! That was exactly what I missed! Now I see much clearer. :shocked2: Hey, is it Kurt down there?

kage, maybe you could post the link at the beginning of the last chapter, so that all info is at one place.

Thank you!:karate:

King Kurt
08-16-2007, 14:37
Franc

I am the clan in black in the west - where are you??

Prince Cobra
08-16-2007, 14:40
An Emissary to the Clan Kono from clan Chosokabe
My Lord,i bring word from lord Chosokabe, he wishes me to say that, the time is right for all wise me to consider the words of Sun Tzu and to apply sensai's teachings to the situation that they find themselves in, please make sure that you will follow the same path and arrive at the same destination as he.

He humbly requests an meeting with you Lord to clear up this unfortunate series of events that have spiraled out of order because he did not wish for all these tragic events to occur and would like a chance to clear this misunderstanding with you.


:no: Your arrogance had gone too far!
I, Miyoshi Chokei, have sent an emissary to the noble Kono and I have to say he was peaceful. He respected both the Miyoshi and Chosokabe clans. But it was Chosokabe who broke this peace. Do not try to mislead my neighbour Kono, rightful ruler of Kono's lands, do not lead him to a trap. For I see this is a trap. Kono, I am sure, also sees it. And the noble Kono can rely on my help.

And you should not ask for meeting but to ask Kono for mercy and pardon! If I invite you in Kyoto ( I will not invite Kono, who I greatly respect, because he has to recover his lands from the great harm you did to his lands; ), I am sure you will not come. Why do you want something you are not ready to do yourself????

Franconicus
08-16-2007, 14:48
Franc

I am the clan in black in the west - where are you??

I am the tiny light blue realm!:stwshame:

Tiberius of the Drake
08-16-2007, 16:22
which map are you guys looking at? can yuo post a link to it?

Kagemusha
08-16-2007, 17:05
https://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7994/15602op3.jpg

Here is the updated map with Clan names.It will be found also from the first post of the interactive, where i will update it after each chapter. Also guys, if you have diplomatic letters to the clans i represent,please send those today and tomorrow as im available then to answer those, on saturday,im going on a cruise and will be back next on Sunday evening.:bow:

darkragnar
08-16-2007, 20:27
:no: Your arrogance had gone too far!
I, Miyoshi Chokei, have sent an emissary to the noble Kono and I have to say he was peaceful. He respected both the Miyoshi and Chosokabe clans. But it was Chosokabe who broke this peace. Do not try to mislead my neighbour Kono, rightful ruler of Kono's lands, do not lead him to a trap. For I see this is a trap. Kono, I am sure, also sees it. And the noble Kono can rely on my help.

And you should not ask for meeting but to ask Kono for mercy and pardon! If I invite you in Kyoto ( I will not invite Kono, who I greatly respect, because he has to recover his lands from the great harm you did to his lands; ), I am sure you will not come. Why do you want something you are not ready to do yourself????

Emissary to Lord Miyoshi
Great Lord the Chosokabe clan wish to put an end to an pointless misunderstanding that has come between some followers in both our respected clans, and the Lord Accepts the contested Kenrai's invitation and depart as soon as preparations are complete,perhaps this will show the lord where the Chosokabe stand,it would do the lord good to remember the teachings of sensai
at this moment.

My lord in your wisdom you might be aware that the Kono are under siege in their castle and it was our lord Chosokabe who offered his protection to your emissary,and blessed the kono reply with haste to you thorugh the Chosokabe lands.

Also If the lord Miyoshi is not truly as unjust, as some enviably whisper nowadays about the lord and his clan dealings, he would notice that Chosokabe have always respected and followed where Miyoshi requested and complied with their every wish at every turn perhaps that might not be enough for the lord and perhaps there are other lords that might place loyalty on a different pedestal than the lord Miyoshi, already the rest of japan is afloat with rumors of harsh treatment being doled out to clan Chosokabe for no just reason and undoubtedly there are many who would wish to take advantage of this rumor if not for our lord Chosokabe who refuses to even acknowledge some unjust behavior towards the Chosokabe for he firmly believes in the friendship between our two great clans.

My Lord Chosokabe knows that the Lord Miyoshi hasnt been prevy to the full story of why the War with kono started,and so he wishes that i tell you about it in brief, and he would give an fuller account to you at his meet.

The Treacherous Kono clan cannot be trusted , they will betray anyone as they betrayed us, The Clan Chosokabe was called upon by Clan Kono to help them against the cruel Ichijo Clan, if it wasnt for them we would never have gotten our hands sully in this affair, for we are a peacful clan that only goes to war if it must.

When the War with Ichijo was in full effect , the clan Kono being treacherous assailed and assasinated the Lord Chosokabe's Favorite retainer and sensai Yoshida Shigetoshi, Every Chosokabe bushi and every Kono peasant knows how the Kono assailed the Chosokabe Retainer , they ambushed him during a simple simple skirmish against the Ichijo, the skirmish would have been a routine one , hadn't the Kono Troops disguised under Ichijo armor assailed the Retainer and the Hatamoto around him,the leader of this Kono assassination was none other than Iyo Suigun the Chief Retainer of the Kono Clan,if it wasn't for Tani Tadasumi who recognized Suigun we would never have know of this, Tani Tadasumi if the lord wishes to know is recovering from his injury's sustained by the Assassins and will most probably pass away , may Buddha's blessing be with him and let him be reincarnated as a man again.

The Clan Chosokabe demanded Iyo Suigun be handed over to them but the Treacherous Kono Refused request after request, so the Lord had no other option available to him but Honor the Spirit of Yoshida Shigetoshi as a bushi.

That is why The Lord Chosokabe even now, when we have all but defeated the Treacherous Kono wishes for one last time to talk reason with Kono and the Lord Miyoshi forgetting every ounce of manner that is taught to him as a Japaneses calls the lord as arrogant and treacherous When it was been the lord Chosokabe has been the only one True to Lord Miyoshi and stands by his side even when the lord dose not see him.

Kagemusha
08-16-2007, 22:10
To Chosokabe Kunichika

Kono clan accepts your offer for talks. We think that a meeting between the Daimyos of Kono and Chosokabe could be arranged outside Kutsunashima castle as we are both in the vicinity, on a good day for talks. We will send an Tsukai Ban to inform you about a good date.

Kono Michinao

darkragnar
08-17-2007, 05:20
To Chosokabe Kunichika

Kono clan accepts your offer for talks. We think that a meeting between the Daimyos of Kono and Chosokabe could be arranged outside Kutsunashima castle as we are both in the vicinity, on a good day for talks. We will send an Tsukai Ban to inform you about a good date.

Kono Michinao

To Kono
The Lord Chosokabe is greatly honored at Konos acceptance and the willingness of Kono to show reason at this most dark of times,but the lord Chosokabe wishes this matter be resolved quickly now that Kono sees the light of reason because it profits neither the Clan Kono to carry out this war which weakens the Kono Clan and perhaps even the Chosokabe clan, additionally as the Lord Chosokabe has been summoned by the Kenrai on separate business the Lord requests the meeting should take place within the next coming days as he would be unavailable hence forth from that time and a matter of such importance should not be delayed when the future of so much hangs in the balance.

Prince Cobra
08-17-2007, 14:41
The Miyoshi damiyo sees there might be a hope for peaceful Shikoku. Consequently, he would like to invite emissary from Kono and one from Chosokabe in his lands in order Miyoshi also to participate in the negotiations.
First, the Kono emissary will be heard (the first day), then (the second day) those of Chosokabe. I'd like to hear from both of the sides.

The Miyoshi daimyo will also send an emissary to Kono. He asks Chosokabe for asisstance and to let both Kono's and mine emissaries passing through the siege ring. Let this be Chosokabe's first test

King Kurt
08-17-2007, 15:49
I have just sent my move to Kage as well as PMs to various people. I will now be on holiday until 29/8/07 so probably no replies to PMs etc until then as I don't anticipate much contact with a PC:laugh4:

Tiberius of the Drake
08-19-2007, 20:55
srry avbout delay on orders will send later tonight. waiting on replies.

SwordsMaster
08-19-2007, 21:28
Sorry, can't sent the orders in today. Wil do that by the end of European tomorrow.

Tiberius of the Drake
08-20-2007, 01:18
orders sent.

Seign Thelas
08-20-2007, 03:48
How often are new chapters?

Prince Cobra
08-20-2007, 09:56
To Kono
The Lord Chosokabe is greatly honored at Konos acceptance and the willingness of Kono to show reason at this most dark of times,but the lord Chosokabe wishes this matter be resolved quickly now that Kono sees the light of reason because it profits neither the Clan Kono to carry out this war which weakens the Kono Clan and perhaps even the Chosokabe clan, additionally as the Lord Chosokabe has been summoned by the Kenrai on separate business the Lord requests the meeting should take place within the next coming days as he would be unavailable hence forth from that time and a matter of such importance should not be delayed when the future of so much hangs in the balance.

Summoning in Kyoto is postponed until the summer when the conditions are better.

OOC: Kage, could you answer to my PM, I'll send my decisions tomorrow

Rodion Romanovich
08-20-2007, 10:23
Could Uesugi please answer our latest letter? Now I had to send in turn decisions assuming we had already agreed upon our responsibilities in Etchu? I also wrote up military plans which may not be the same as yours (I suggested assault if possible with <2,000 losses, otherwise continued siege).

Rodion Romanovich
08-20-2007, 10:40
From Takeda:

Oda receives one more chance to surrender. If you fail to take this chance, we will invade with 93,500 men. Do not lead the able and brave samurai that you command into such an unworthy and meaningless slaughter.

AggonyDuck
08-20-2007, 15:01
From Takeda:

Oda receives one more chance to surrender. If you fail to take this chance, we will invade with 93,500 men. Do not lead the able and brave samurai that you command into such an unworthy and meaningless slaughter.

What exactly would surrender mean then?

Franconicus
08-20-2007, 15:06
What exactly would surrender mean then?
Hadn't we had this discussion before?

AggonyDuck
08-20-2007, 15:09
Yes we've had it before, but I am just curious whether your conditions have changed or not.

Rodion Romanovich
08-20-2007, 15:12
From Takeda:

Our conditions are still that we make peace as we initially proposed, but that now you or we must also find a suitable arrangement through which you can repair for the damages you have caused. For example by accepting to pay a tribute to Imagawa, Takeda and Hojo and handing over garrisoning of your province to Imagawa, or by declaring an end to your revolt towards the shogun and kanrei.

AggonyDuck
08-20-2007, 15:50
Surrender is unacceptable unless it comes with an insurance that both Owari and Mikawa will remain under independent rule of the Oda and Tokugawa clans.

Oda Nobunaga

Rodion Romanovich
08-20-2007, 16:01
From Takeda:

You mean, if Owari and Mikawa come under independent rule of the Oda clan.

We have decided to release to the public letters from our diplomatic exchange with Oda:



Dear Oda Nobunanga,

As you know, our isles are ravaged by war and chaos. In such times of trouble, it is necessary to stand fast. The Takeda clan would be interested to invite the Oda clan for discussions about trade and your views on what needs to be done in order to reestablish the peace on our troubled isles. Is the Oda clan willing to make peace with the Imawaga clan, which is loosely allied to Takeda?




The war and chaos ravaging this island will not end until one warlord has acquired the power to rule over others. The land needs to be unified and that act can only be done through the sword and the fear and respect that it's wielder commands. As long as there is no central power in this country lasting peace will be impossible. I urge you Shingen to do your utmost to unite Japan under your rule, after all there are few who are more capable than you to fulfill that task.

As to Imagawa Yoshimoto, his ambitions have caused this war, a war which I have accepted with a heavy heart, knowing fully that the war can doom me. But I have come to embrace death and look forward to making Yoshimoto pay for his foolish ambition. Here lies an opportunity for you. He will have to mobilize a good part of his forces against me to win a crushing victory over me. He is only able to do so because of your and Hojo's alliance with him. Seeing as you have recently concluded a peace with the Uesugi clan, the whole rationale behind your alliance has vanished. If you hold any ambitions of unifying the country, I suggest that you take advantage of the opportunity that you have been given, and seize Totomi and Suruga. I urge you to be mindful of the possibilities that this opportunity gives you. Regardless of your decision, I will fight against the Imagawa clan. A peace would only delay the inevitable.

Oda Nobunaga




Some of your words are wise, others are those of a snake. You suggest uniting Japan under Takeda, but you must realize that this would include putting Oda under the control of Takeda, something we both know you will not accept. Why would we then trust your intentions, when you call for us to invade Imawaga, while you may be preparing to strike us in the back? How can we know, that you are not trying to make Imawaga and Takeda fight each other so that you can conquer us both when we are weakened by our strife? If you are so eager to have Japan united under Takeda, then your first action should be to ask for our protection, and to become our vassals, not to ask us to sacrifice our men to assist you in a war intended only to fulfill your own ambitions. No, Takeda does not believe the way out of chaos goes through the subjugation of all clans under a single leader, but through honor and peace.




I only suggest that you strive for uniting Japan under your rule, as I will strive to unite Japan under my rule. Honour and peace will only lead to you being subjugated by an opponent who chooses not to abide those rules, so I suggest you abandon those concepts. As to the Imagawa and my suggestion; How can I strike you in the back when I am currently busy with an army of Imagawa dogs in Owari? Also if I may point out I do not actually neighbour you at the moment, so striking you in the back would be rather impossible. Also if I may suggest to you it would be a far better position for you to face an Oda clan with control of Owari and Mikawa with you controlling Suruga and Totomi, than you facing an Imagawa clan controlling Owari, Mikawa, Totomi and Suruga. Either way there can be no lasting peace until Japan is ruled by one supreme warlord.

Oda Nobunaga




I want to start by repeating the question I asked you earlier: What will you gain from Imagawa defeating me and seizing Owari? He is already strong and will only grow stronger by seizing my territory. Have you ever thought of the possibility of a Hojo-Imagawa-Uesugi alliance against you after Imagawa has seized Owari and Hojo has seized Kazusa, Hitachi and Shimosa. This would pit you against three opponents that have only grown stronger due to your inaction. You need to remember that your allies can become your enemies when they feel that the odds are in their favour.

I offer you an opportunity that would avoid such a possibility and put the Takeda in a position to dominate northern Japan. If you help me defeat Imagawa, I will offer you my friendship and support you when you need it the most. I will promise that no Oda aggression will take place against your clan, which is a promise I shall keep. I urge you to think of the advantages of betraying the Imagawa. You will conquer Totomi and Suruga, thus doubling the provinces under your control, destroy a strong opponent for national hegemony and replace him with a warlord who will not attack you. Even if you would doubt my integrity, my immediate concerns after an Imagawa defeat, would be Mino, Omi and Ise, which will take atleast ten years to conquer. During this time you would be free to act in the east and in the north without fear from an attack from the west, thus achieving a dominant position in northern Japan.

I urge you to consider my offer, because for me it appears to be far more beneficial to you than the alliance with Hojo and Imagawa ever will.

-Oda Nobunaga




Let us answer your question: if I were to backstab Imagawa, not only would all clans think of me as a backstabber and all my alliances dissolve, but additionally, the only replacement I would get for these valuable and honorable alliances would, at best, be an alliance with an Oda clan that is likely to backstab, since they did not hesitate to advice me to abandon my honor in such a manner.

Takeda is not a clan known for stupidity, but for honor and intelligence. And so it will remain.


Any daimyo wishing to see the original letters can send an emissary to Takeda, and look at them and confirm that it is Oda's handwriting and signature.

AggonyDuck
08-20-2007, 16:46
I would like to point out that those letters were written prior to the defection of Tokugawa from the Imagawa. I had in no way expected such a turn of events. Tokugawa has proven himself as a friend of mine and I intend to support him to the end.

As to the other contents of the letters; I think they present my ambitions and my views on how this strife will be ended quite clearly.

Oda Nobunaga

Ravie
08-20-2007, 16:48
Hail.

Just inquiring whether this is still open to entry? or Whether it is to late?

Ravie

Kagemusha
08-20-2007, 17:42
Hail.

Just inquiring whether this is still open to entry? or Whether it is to late?

Ravie

Hi Ravie!

I will include you to the next chapter and send you your starting information after i have finished this one. Atalus informed that he is having PC problems and he has to drop out. So you can pick from Asai or Urakami. Also i havent yet gained decisions from Warluster, which could indicate that Otomo could turn free also, hopefully not.:smash:

Ravie
08-20-2007, 18:02
Thank You kindly :)

I think will have to pick Asai

I await your PM


Rav

Rodion Romanovich
08-20-2007, 19:15
I would like to point out that those letters were written prior to the defection of Tokugawa from the Imagawa. I had in no way expected such a turn of events. Tokugawa has proven himself as a friend of mine and I intend to support him to the end.

As to the other contents of the letters; I think they present my ambitions and my views on how this strife will be ended quite clearly.

Oda Nobunaga
At the beginning of this war, Imagawa held Totomi, Suruga and Mikawa. You attack Imagawa in order to take control over Mikawa, Totomi and Suruga and subjugate Tokugawa and Imagawa. This made it necessary for Takeda and Hojo to join the war and stand up to your unprovoked, malicious aggression. Takeda even warned you before you started this war on our ally Imagawa that we would not let you conquer Imagawa, yet you refused to withdraw your declaration of war on Imagawa and accept our generous offer of white peace on behalf of Imagawa. Then you treacherously attacked and slaughtered Imagawa's vanguard of 5,000 men as they were sent forward to negotiate with you, by dressing half of your force of 15,000 men up in the uniforms of Imagawa's friends, to attack them from the rear. Imagawa's men bravely killed 2,500 of your men and successfully retreated with 3,000 men.

Now, when we're sending in our full might of 93,500 men, you refuse to surrender even though we are giving you very favorable terms considering your aggression, but instead you wish to lead your 12,500 men to a certain death. You are even foolish to think that after such aggression you can surrender while in return demanding from the side that defeated you - the side that you attacked without reason - that they should give up one of their provinces to you when you surrender to them?!!! Dear Oda, you are the laughing stock of all of Japan - truly there has never been a more amusing jester in command of any of the clans in our country.

And about Mino, Omi and Ise - you're not even denying that, but claiming that "the other contents of the letters; I think they present my ambitions [...] clearly." Or perhaps there's still time for you to write a second apologetic statement where you promise them too, that your letter was written "before some other random event", and therefore "doesn't apply", and hope they will believe in your gracious promises: for truly the great Oda "country daimyo" cannot be treacherous, no no, not even if he previously stated to another clan that it his intention to eventually exterminate both Asai, Sasaki, Kitabatake and Saito...