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Sasaki Kojiro
05-21-2008, 19:07
Vote:caius
Seems I don't have much choice. Would rather w&f. But, those are the only two I can see being mafia, so it's not that bad.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-21-2008, 19:15
Lynch the quiet folk. They're your biggest threat.
At the very least, they do you no good. Coming on-board once a day and saying "Oh noes, I don't know who to suspect" is disingenuous. We're all totalWar players here - who doesn't pay attention when signed up for a mission/game? Such a tw player would be laughed off the MP battlefield, and roundly ignored/disinvited to future contests, no?
Don't qutie get your MP refence, but argeed, Get the Lurkers.
I say Get Sasaki And Caius. Seem like the most likey, or almost. :clown:
Where are the other dead townies? GH, CR, Seamus, Kukri, Ichigo, Glenn and Rythmic.
You can't mean to leave the rest out to dry, do you. If the dead were not to influence this game, then it would have been dead stay dead and do not talk.
:freak:
:freak:
That's it? You think the weirdo is guilty?
Now come on axel, Caius and Prole. Lynch one or the other... rather PK than any of the other.
Tally:
Caius 4 : (Elite F, Curio, PK, Sasaki)
Sasaki 2 : (LG, W&F)
not voting 3 : (axel, Caius, Prole)
@LittleGirzzly: I was on your confirmed innocent list last time, what have I done that is suspicious?
I'd say Sasaki is better off deadzies or LG
What else can I say? Sasaki is being coward, voting me for staying alive. He could be hiding a role.
Vote:Sasaki
seireikhaan
05-21-2008, 19:51
Is it me, or does Caius always get lynched for this exact same reason in every mafia game? And he's NEVER been mafia? Sheesh, folks, come on...
Is it me, or does Caius always get lynched for this exact same reason in every mafia game? And he's NEVER been mafia? Sheesh, folks, come on...
In fact, the only game which I was lynched for other reason was my first one, and I was lynched thanks to Sasaki... I think he has led me to death several times... thats why dont trust him.
What else can I say? Sasaki is being coward, voting me for staying alive. He could be hiding a role.
Vote:Sasaki
Yeah, what is up with that Sasaki? Do you genuinely think Caius is mafia?
You mentioned W&F, why not make a case against him and drum up a wagon?
seireikhaan
05-21-2008, 20:06
Yeah, what is up with that Sasaki? Do you genuinely think Caius is mafia?
You mentioned W&F, why not make a case against him and drum up a wagon?
Well, Master Dragonslayer, allow me to answer your rhetorical question. Because Caius is an easy lynch this time of the game, which is why Sasaki made sure to try and keep him alive so as to distract the town with a pointless and error-laden bandwagon just like in almost every other game. :whip:
GeneralHankerchief
05-21-2008, 20:18
Yeah, I'd go for Sasaki right now.
Voting closed. Stand by for execution.
seireikhaan
05-21-2008, 21:23
:wall:
I'm with khaan on this one.
:wall:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-21-2008, 21:43
Is it me, or does Caius always get lynched for this exact same reason in every mafia game? And he's NEVER been mafia? Sheesh, folks, come on...
I was partner with him once in a mini mafia. He played like this and coasted to victory.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-21-2008, 21:45
Yeah, what is up with that Sasaki? Do you genuinely think Caius is mafia?
You mentioned W&F, why not make a case against him and drum up a wagon?
I was going out, and did not have time. Participation this round was also abysmal. Don't blame me. W&F has a little better chance but Caius is still almost 50/50.
lynch sasaki
Flattering and all, but you guys are wrong. I guess this was inevitable though.
edit: is it just me or has no one who voted me offered any evidence at all? Logical fallacies don't count as evidence. Tomorrow is the last day, guess I don't have a choice.
Good evening,
It seems that LittleGrizzly just votes the ones wot aint on forum that much, is it to make him not a suspicious player himself ?? or just wanting to vote SOMMEONE ? any one cane vote like this that aint hard, why not just lynch every one wot aint on forum for a fue days, make the game a lot easyer!! in this case LittleGrizzly is a suspicious suspect
but there are more players wot vote like this but they are lucky to be on forum everyday so they aint suspicious (Ye right) and that makes every one of those guys suspicious ......why? well you got the head of the family and all the rest dose wot he say s just like the voting :yes:
Privateerkev
05-21-2008, 22:01
Tomorrow is the last day, guess I don't have a choice.
Umm... what do you mean you don't have a choice?
o_O
Day 6 - Conclusion
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/TeatroGrecoTaormina.jpg
Teatro Greco - Taormina - 10.30 pm
The nine remaining inhabitants of Taormina continued the debate.
Paranoia had all of them in their grasp.
In the end, two people were considered to be the most suspicious. The smooth talker Sasaki and the silent lurker Caius.
Both men were seen as evil in person, but in the end it was decided that the silent Caius had to be one of the dangerous killers.
Soon, Caius found himself surrounded by the other survivors, yet he kept silent.
One of the villagers took a hammer, another one a crowbar. Tools lay shattered around the Teatro Greco which had just been renovated, and they all ganged up on Caius, armed with whatever they found.
"It's not me! It's the other guy!" Caius yelled, pointing his finger at Sasaki.
The wind seemed to whisper the same, but the crowd already made up its' mind.
Caius pushed somebody aside and punched another one in the face.
The small mob grew angry and enraged and they jumped on Caius. After having received several blows and kicks he was tied up and thrown at the floor of the theatre, the sand mercifully blinding him.
Somebody walked up to the rotting body of Pino and took the death Carabinieri's gun. He walked up to Caius, pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger.
The bullet in Caius' head instantly ended his life.
"Too many corpses here at this place," the man said with a raw voice, a bewildered look on his face. "Let's gather at Isola Bella tomorrow morning."
The remaining townies nodded silently in agreement and walked back to their almost empty hotels.
****
While walking back to his hotel, axel stumbled and fell on his head.While he was crawling back to his knees, he didn't notice the falling brick that broke his neck.
****
Tally:
Caius : 4 :skull: (Curio, Sasaki, LittleGrizzly, Privateerkev)
Sasaki : 3 (woad&fangs, Caius, LittleGrizzly)
Not voting : 2 (Proletariat, axel)
****
Alive (7)
woad&fangs
Gaius Sribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Elite Ferret
LittleGrizzly
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Killed (15)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
pevergreen
Rythmic
Husar
Haudegen
Omanes
Makanyane
TinCow
Lynched (6)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sarathos
Northnovas
Caius
WoG'ed (6)
Zorg
TwilightBlade
Bananabob
Tratorix
Tiberius of the Drake
axel
Suicide (4)
Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk
Mithrandir
***
It's now night. PM's please. Night will end at +/- 22.00 (GMT +2).
Sasaki Kojiro
05-21-2008, 22:04
Manfredo
You are Manfredo, a hired assasin. This was supposed to be your last assignment before your retirement.
Since you are about to retire anyway, you figured you could as well earn a few easy bucks after taking out your target.
You can investigate 3 players each night. These investigations won't learn you anything but "this is Juliette" or "this is not Juliette."
Once you found her, you can assisinate her. You're a pro, so your assasination will be a guaranteed succes. Since you're that good, you'll always turn out innocent upon investigation and you will survive any attack made on you by the mafia. When Juliette discovers you, she can attack you. In that case it's 50/50: you or Juliette will die.
After Juliette died (you will be informed in case she gets wasted by the mafia or gets lynched), you'll probably want to earn some extra cash before retirement.
After her demise, you'll be given the choice to work for the town or work for the mafia. The Yakuza and the Sicilian mafia will send you an offer. If you choose to accept, I'll bring you in contact with whatever is left of the family of your choice. If you choose to refuse, you become a vigilante (you must kill a mafioso in order to become affiliated with the town).
Whatever you do, your survival is critical. If you die, you lose the game, even if the team of your choice succeeds.
Good luck!
Andres.
The Carelli offer:
Hello unnamed recruit,
The carellis have a long standing tradition of mafioso excellence. If you join us we will be the most powerful mafioso family in taormina. Additionaly, half the money made from the sale of the nuclear weapons will be delivered to you. After my failed hit on taketsi last night I am aware of his identity. Join us.
Yakuza offer:
The secret society, Kokuryakai herby invites you to join in our efforts. By means of our intelligence, we know that you secretly desire to join a mafia family.
We are gathering support and will if you decide to join us be the largest mafia family in the game (we have won every recruiting round so far). The Carelli mafia have not the investigation power we do and we are therefore way ahead when it comes to gathering intelligence.
You will in our service attain full rank of Assassin and will be able to perform kills every night in the style you prefer.
Kokuryakai
I refused both offers. I rather enjoyed being the lone assassin and wanted to do something to shake my "sasaki will always try to become mafia" reputation.
Manfredo Vigilante stats:
Always innocent upon investigation while not performing a night action When investigated while performing a kill, the Carabinieri (if he's still alive) will find out that the room is empty. Won’t find anything incriminating though+what he finds insinuates innocence.
When attacked by mafia: 1/3 chance that the attack fails ; 1/3 chance that the attack succeeds ; 1/3 chance that the attack fails + the mafioso dies during the attempt.
Killings always 100 % success, one or two possible exceptions on this rule, but that's classified information.
Manfredo can no longer investigate.
So here is my proposal. I am revealing because it's evident I'm going to be lynched tomorrow. I have a decent chance of survival if attacked by mafia though--so I dare them to try. Meanwhile, I'll keep making vigilante kills (Omanes is my only one so far). W&F is next. Just quit wasting your votes on me!
Proletariat
05-21-2008, 22:06
Ugh! I just got here, too late. Would've voted for Sasaki, sorry town.
:bow:
Privateerkev
05-21-2008, 22:06
wait... your Manfredo!?!
:dizzy2:
Aww... you should have joined Yakuza.
Privateerkev
05-21-2008, 22:11
Aww... you should have joined Yakuza.
I had a feeling you were with Sigurd...
woad&fangs
05-21-2008, 22:12
I believe the reveal. I also believe that Sasaki is truly interested in siding with the town.
However, I am not mafia. What exactly do you have as evidence against me?
I had a feeling you were with Sigurd...
I was never with Sigurd. If you read back over the thread, you'll notice I didn't lift a finger to save him from the lynch.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-21-2008, 22:13
I believe the reveal. I also believe that Sasaki is truly interested in siding with the town.
However, I am not mafia. What exactly do you have as evidence against me?
Why did you unvote me yesterday but vote me today?
There's also process of elimination.
Privateerkev
05-21-2008, 22:15
I was never with Sigurd. If you read back over the thread, you'll notice I didn't lift a finger to save him from the lynch.
Since you were the "noob", you might not have known about Sigurd when he was lynched. You might have only gotten that information when you "activated".
:wall: Should have know the little comment by Andres after my first investigation meant something
Northnovas
05-21-2008, 23:20
I refused both offers. I rather enjoyed being the lone assassin and wanted to do something to shake my "sasaki will always try to become mafia" reputation.
Reputations are hard to change in this game but it is the effort that counts. If you can share it! :laugh4:
Does the Yakuza offer mean there was indeed recruitment going on? :dizzy2:
Unexpected. Is this game over?
Makanyane
05-22-2008, 00:06
Unexpected. Is this game over?
not yet - though you are now technically dead like most of the town....
still it's nice to know Sasaki is only a pro-town killer :wall:
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 00:09
Ahem, LITTLEGRIZZ is MAFIA
The proof is in the night writeups. Notice the Tommy Gun wielding mafioso. He first appears on Night 4, May 15th. The first night phase after LittleGrizz returns to the game from a bout of power lurking. Tommy is then absent on Night 5, May 18th. Notice how LittleGrizz was did not make a post on any part of the forum that day or the day before. He then reappears on Night 6 when Grizz was participating.
With the relevations about recruiting I do believe that Grizz is our mafioso.:magnify:
Correction: Sasaki is only a pro-town killer after he kills a mafioso (read his role PM). Unless Omanes was a mafioso, Sasaki is still an army of one. If the town just lynched the last mafioso, Sasaki cannot go pro-town.
Makanyane
05-22-2008, 00:28
the :wall: element after the 'its nice to know...' was intended to express an element of sarcasm in the preceding comment... :balloon2:
on the lines of Oh Good - 'Mr Innocent', ''I'll direct the town in nice 'logical' conclusions and FoS anyone suspecting me'' - maybe only killed a couple of people so far...
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 00:49
Correction: Sasaki is only a pro-town killer after he kills a mafioso (read his role PM). Unless Omanes was a mafioso, Sasaki is still an army of one. If the town just lynched the last mafioso, Sasaki cannot go pro-town.
My assumption is that if we just lynched the last mafioso then the game would be over, with my character having "lost". We'll see tomorrow I guess.
seireikhaan
05-22-2008, 00:54
Hmm, is anyone else having flashbacks to Netherworld? With Sasaki drawing parallel to TinCow? "Yah, I'm a killer, but I'm on YOUR side guys, don't worry..."*fingers crossed*
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 00:56
Nobody is paying attention to me :bigcry:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-22-2008, 01:21
I've only just woke up (well an hour ago, but who's counting).
OK...
First the Sasaki reveal seems to be genuine. And I'd still say that atm, he looks pro-town. His only kills have been Juliette (necessary for him) and Omanes (most likely mafia). I can honestly say I didn't see that coming...
Woad&Fangs: I'm listening. As is always the case with me, I want to check for myself your evidence, but if you are indeed correct then it is certainly damning towards Little Grizzly. Sasaki take note. If you are pro-town go with evidence rather than hunches.
Finally, if the game isn't over there is at least one mafioso left, we need to take stock in the morning, how many kills etc. Which we can't do yet.
I was told during Capo II that Sasaki hates playing town and will always be mafia if he has a choice. The most likely situation here is that Sasaki did indeed accept the Carelli offer and joined them. All he had to do was make up a fake PM with his 'vigilante stats' and pretend to be working for the town. With 2 or 3 killers left in the game, he only needs to avoid the next lynch vote, and then the Carellis will outnumber the town and win. Tonight Sasaki will kill someone who is suspicious, but it will just happen to be the wrong person and the game will continue. He'll then convince you not to lynch him and to let him try again the next night, at which point the town will lose. A well-earned Carelli victory, IMO.
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 03:03
I was told during Capo II that Sasaki hates playing town and will always be mafia if he has a choice. The most likely situation here is that Sasaki did indeed accept the Carelli offer and joined them. All he had to do was make up a fake PM with his 'vigilante stats' and pretend to be working for the town. With 2 or 3 killers left in the game, he only needs to avoid the next lynch vote, and then the Carellis will outnumber the town and win. Tonight Sasaki will kill someone who is suspicious, but it will just happen to be the wrong person and the game will continue. He'll then convince you not to lynch him and to let him try again the next night, at which point the town will lose. A well-earned Carelli victory, IMO.
Trusting Sigurd's nooby killer would be very bad for us... :yes:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 03:52
Ahem, LITTLEGRIZZ is MAFIA
The proof is in the night writeups. Notice the Tommy Gun wielding mafioso. He first appears on Night 4, May 15th. The first night phase after LittleGrizz returns to the game from a bout of power lurking. Tommy is then absent on Night 5, May 18th. Notice how LittleGrizz was did not make a post on any part of the forum that day or the day before. He then reappears on Night 6 when Grizz was participating.
With the relevations about recruiting I do believe that Grizz is our mafioso.:magnify:
This is interesting. I reviewed the night kills:
Night one killer:
Later that night, a well dressed man entered Seamus room. he took his pillow and choked him to dead.
The experienced killer took his sharp stiletto and stabbed it through the soft bit at the back of Seamus' head, just for good measure.
Night two killer:
While he was looking in his closet for a shirt, a well dressed man, a fibre wire in his hand, grabbed the General, aimed under his adam's apple and garrotted him. GeneralHankerchief didn't make a sound while slowly dieing, his last thoughts going to the local beauty he just met a couple of minutes ago...
Night three:
While he was walking down one of the narrow streets of Taormina, very early in the morning, a man jumped out of the shadows and punched him in the face. Crazed Rabbit fell down, his nose heavily bleeding. The man started to kick him in the stomach, on his back, on his head, knees, ... without saying a word. Crazed Rabbit tried to call for help, but the streets were still empty at this time of the day.
A man entered his room. Another man pushed the first one and punched him in his face. While the first man was recovering from the blow, the agressor took a piano fibre, ready to strangle his victim. Somehow, the first man managed to roll on his side. He pulled his gun and pointed it at his attacker. The shot, aimed at the attacker's head, missed.
Night 4:
One kill blocked
Night 5:
Two well placed kicks chopped of Husar's legs. Husar kept taunting his attacker until he bleeded to dead.
The answer of the man consisted of three bullets in Rythmic's stomach.
Rythmic bleeded to dead, his attacker slowly left the scene.
Night 6:
In one fluent move, the attacker pierced the sword through TinCow's chest, for good measure. The killer limped away, still suffering from the hard kick in the groin.
The salvo of the machine gun litterally butchered her to dead.
The attacker limped away.
A close examination of the kills reveals that Andres leaves clues. The serial killer always grins. I always put two in the head and one in the chest. The first two nights had kills by a well dressed man who afterwards disappeared. This evidence points to 00jebus.
Now, in the kills thereafter, the kills that aren't me or the serial killer are linked by language. It isn't clear from the first few whether that is Andres's way if indicating that the two kills are carried out by the two mafia groups or if they are carried out by the same person. However in the night six kills, the attacker limps after the fight with TinCow and again after makanye. I think the conclusion is inescapable that the same killer has been hitting two targets a night since the third round. This means that either carelli or yakuza was eliminated early on. I think sigurd is likely although it is unclear which family he was from. His actions this game have reeked scum. His investigations were almost certainly false--the yakuza would have had 2 investigations a night and he was not the detective. It appears to have been merely an attempt to get Husar lynched.
The mechanism which allowed the remaining mafioso to kill twice per night is unclear and will probably remain so. Recruitment is possible. Actually, a theory just occured to me, perhaps the night 3-5 kills were performed by two men from the same family (one a recruit) and after one of them died the other was given the power to make the two attempts last night. This seems most likely--it is the only night where the kill text explicitly links the killers. The others are linked by actions only. This would indicate that sigurd was the last carelli and that the yakuza managed to recruit a partner (in my offer the yakuza says that they have succeeded in recruitment). Although they could have been lying.
Well, that's a lot of words to say that the presence of the tommy gun can't be linked to LittleGrizz. The well dress man killed with both a stiletto and a fibre wire. The choice of weapon is apparently up to the killer. Your theory is therefore null and void. It's my opinion that it was merely an attempt to save yourself. I get an innocent feel from everyone else, and there hasn't been evidence brought against them and isn't any that I can see. It must be you.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 03:56
I was told during Capo II that Sasaki hates playing town and will always be mafia if he has a choice.
A retired assassin helping the town for his own benefit is way cooler than normal townie roles which tend to be goody-goody. Also note I am trying to change my reputation.
The most likely situation here is that Sasaki did indeed accept the Carelli offer and joined them. All he had to do was make up a fake PM with his 'vigilante stats' and pretend to be working for the town.
Hi Tincow, if you read my analysis it should be clear that this is false.
With 2 or 3 killers left in the game, he only needs to avoid the next lynch vote, and then the Carellis will outnumber the town and win. Tonight Sasaki will kill someone who is suspicious, but it will just happen to be the wrong person and the game will continue. He'll then convince you not to lynch him and to let him try again the next night, at which point the town will lose. A well-earned Carelli victory, IMO.
I'm very confident that I'll hit the last mafioso tonight.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 03:58
Hmm, is anyone else having flashbacks to Netherworld? With Sasaki drawing parallel to TinCow? "Yah, I'm a killer, but I'm on YOUR side guys, don't worry..."*fingers crossed*
It was foolish to trust TinCow and it would be foolish to trust me completely. If tomorrow I haven't killed the last mafioso and try to get you guys to lynch LG or prole or something you can go ahead and lynch me.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 04:01
the :wall: element after the 'its nice to know...' was intended to express an element of sarcasm in the preceding comment... :balloon2:
on the lines of Oh Good - 'Mr Innocent', ''I'll direct the town in nice 'logical' conclusions and FoS anyone suspecting me'' - maybe only killed a couple of people so far...
I was required to kill Ichigo and Omanes was a prime suspect. Your derision of logic is un-townie, but if you wish to stand by it you may. I shall in that case accuse you of being mafia despite the fact that you're dead (silly logic!) and on the basis that your username begins with M (I don't know, doesn't that give you a guilty feeling when you see that capital M?). :stare:
Proletariat
05-22-2008, 04:23
Haha! If Sasaki says he wants to buck his trend of always going scum whenever possible at any cost, he should say so before the final rounds of a game where he's about to be lynched for being scummy.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 04:26
Haha! If Sasaki says he wants to buck his trend of always going scum whenever possible at any cost, he should say so before the final rounds of a game where he's about to be lynched for being scummy.
I don't see what you mean. What I say here won't buck any trends--the game write up will.
Proletariat
05-22-2008, 04:31
I'm having a difficult time believing your turning over a new leaf, and even if you are, this is a rich time to hear about it. Guess we'll see with the write up tomorrow
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 05:46
I have yet to hear any evidence against Sasaki other than "he's a good player so he must be mafia".
Can't people think of anything else?
All of the lynches against him have been baseless and due to feelings about him because of past games.
Though I will disagree with Sasaki on one point. Sigurd is not a Carelli. He is a yakuza crime boss named Taketsi and TC is his newest recruit. :book:
Ahem, LITTLEGRIZZ is MAFIA
The proof is in the night writeups. Notice the Tommy Gun wielding mafioso. He first appears on Night 4, May 15th. The first night phase after LittleGrizz returns to the game from a bout of power lurking. Tommy is then absent on Night 5, May 18th. Notice how LittleGrizz was did not make a post on any part of the forum that day or the day before. He then reappears on Night 6 when Grizz was participating.
With the relevations about recruiting I do believe that Grizz is our mafioso.:magnify:
I've been saying that the whole time. :holmes:
Not that I provided any evidence
I have yet to hear any evidence against Sasaki other than "he's a good player so he must be mafia".
Can't people think of anything else?
All of the lynches against him have been baseless and due to feelings about him because of past games.
Though I will disagree with Sasaki on one point. Sigurd is not a Carelli. He is a yakuza crime boss named Taketsi and TC is his newest recruit. :book:
If you are right... Then you must be the last Carelli. :yes:
Haha, I can already envision Capo 2 all over the place again, probably Sasaki joined the Yakuza gang of Sigurd and now the Carellis, Prole and Privateerkev, are trying to get him lynched, I don't really know which crime family Gaius Scribonius Curio belongs to but maybe he's a serial killer.
The second likely scenario is that Sasaki actually does want to join the town, which does not make his suspicions correct but might make him somewhat useful in some way.
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 13:02
Sasaki, not a single person in this game agrees with you.
I have put a LOT of effort and analysis into this game. To be killed now by Manfredo of all people, with no real evidence against me, is a lousy way to end this game for me.
Look at the first post Grizz makes when coming back on the 14th. At the end of it he claims that he is "back on his best townie behaviour" or something to that effect. How does Grizz not scream out SCUM to you?
Get some real evidence against me or go with the town's wishes.
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 14:09
If you are right... Then you must be the last Carelli. :yes:
Finally your own logic trips you up.
Carellis have two choices each night. Kill or don't kill. If they kill, they show up as completely guilty upon investigation. If they don't kill, they show up as completely innocent. Which means they show up as "at home".
You have been saying the whole game that you found me "not home, but innocent."
The game mechanics do not allow for a Carelli to be "not home, but innocent."
So you are either lying about one of two things.
a.) you are lying about your investigation results or
b.) you are lying about me being a Carelli
Either way... you are lying.
And I finally caught you. :2thumbsup:
Mithrandir
05-22-2008, 14:27
Can't everybody suicide? This way we'll finally get to know who was what ~:)
KukriKhan
05-22-2008, 14:36
LOL, "Drink the Taormina Kool-Aid."
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 14:41
You know what, Sasaki's Manfredo claim finally proves he was lying about his prostitute reveal.
He claimed the prostitute found him "at home". But as Manfredo, he would be looking for Juliette on N1 and would therefore be found "not at home".
Unless he is going to convince us that he decided to take a night off of investigating...
Why didn't Husar get this information out to us?
Mithrandir
05-22-2008, 14:42
:laugh4:
(kukri)
You know what, Sasaki's Manfredo claim finally proves he was lying about his prostitute reveal.
He claimed the prostitute found him "at home". But as Manfredo, he would be looking for Juliette on N1 and would therefore be found "not at home".
Unless he is going to convince us that he decided to take a night off of investigating...
Why didn't Husar get this information out to us?
I don't think Sasaki was lying. He is a very high-profile player and was bound to be an early investigation target. If I were him, I wouldn't have investigated on the first night either. It's just good strategy, and Sasaki is an expert mafia strategist.
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 14:59
I don't think Sasaki was lying. He is a very high-profile player and was bound to be an early investigation target. If I were him, I wouldn't have investigated on the first night either. It's just good strategy, and Sasaki is an expert mafia strategist.
Though taking a night off is a risk as well. Juliette was looking for him and could attack him if she found him.
I don't know...
Something doesn't seem right...
Why didn't Husar get this information out to us?
How could I get any information out to you? You don't even know my role and since I'm dead I'm not allowed to talk about any possible roles or night actions I may or may not have had or "committed". :laugh4:
Finally your own logic trips you up.
Carellis have two choices each night. Kill or don't kill. If they kill, they show up as completely guilty upon investigation. If they don't kill, they show up as completely innocent. Which means they show up as "at home".
You have been saying the whole game that you found me "not home, but innocent."
The game mechanics do not allow for a Carelli to be "not home, but innocent."
So you are either lying about one of two things.
a.) you are lying about your investigation results or
b.) you are lying about me being a Carelli
Either way... you are lying.
And I finally caught you. :2thumbsup: My oh my, aren't we tripping all over our words. You caught me in nothing.
All I said was: If you are right, meaning:
If you are right in all of your crazy claims, then you wrote the Carelli offer to Sasaki. If I was Taketsi, then you attacked me on night 3 and have been brewing on how to release this information.
If you are completely wrong about me, which I know you are, then I caught you out of bed on night 3, but nothing I found in your room told me you were guilty. I am waiting eagerly for Andres' explanation or your confession. I am greatly puzzled why you out of the blue claimed that my results was wrong.
Again I will ask Sasaki why, considering your new claims, have you not put privateerkev to the question?
All he has said now fits with your revealed offers from the mafias. About the possibility of recruits etc.
In light of your reveal, why did you ask privateerkev's name to be removed when I posted my watch log?
Mithrandir
05-22-2008, 15:25
What is a watch log?
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 15:32
What is a watch log?
It's something Sigurd made up.
He has claimed a secret "watching" role for himself as a way of explaining why he has "investigation" results. He doesn't want to admit he is Taketsi so he has lied multiple times about some secret "watching" power.
What is a watch log?
I could call them investigation reports, but then somebody will trip over themselves claiming that only so and so can investigate and therefore you must be this role because the other roles .. bla .. bla .. bla. etc.
:smash:
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 15:33
How could I get any information out to you? You don't even know my role and since I'm dead I'm not allowed to talk about any possible roles or night actions I may or may not have had or "committed". :laugh4:
I meant when you were alive. You let Manfredo get away with lying about his prostitute action. That helped lead to Juliette's death. Not very pro-town of you... :no:
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 15:36
I could call them investigation reports, but then somebody will trip over themselves claiming that only so and so can investigate and therefore you must be this role because the other roles .. bla .. bla .. bla. etc.
:smash:
Yes, I would use logic upon your argument. But doing so ends up proving your argument is made up of nothing but lies.
You can't keep straight who you claim I am.
You have claimed that I'm Taketsi, the noob, and Carelli.
And I have nicely smashed each and every one of those theories to little bits.
a.) I can't be Taketsi because that means you couldn't have investigated since all of the investigation roles would be spoken for.
b.) I can't be the noob because TC is clearly the noob.
c.) I can't be Carelli because that throws off your own investigation claims.
:book:
c.) I can't be Carelli because that throws off your own investigation claims.
Not true, you could be a Carelli recruit. You accuse me of joining the yakuza after Sigurd was lynched. That means you think recruiting could have occurred after Sigurd investigated you. Which means you could have been recruited after Sigurd investigated you.
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 16:12
Not true, you could be a Carelli recruit. You accuse me of joining the yakuza after Sigurd was lynched. That means you think recruiting could have occurred after Sigurd investigated you. Which means you could have been recruited after Sigurd investigated you.
Yet we've seen no other "noob" kills have we?
So, Sigurd is claiming I am actually one of the original Carellis. While flattered, he gives me far too much credit. Plus, it would prove that he did indeed lie in his investigation reveal.
Also, for me to be a "recruit" means the rules that applied to me, applied to you. If "recruits" show up as "innocent but not home" before they are recruited, then you would have showed up the same way when the prostitute blocked you. But when you were visited by the prostitute, you were "at home". If I was a recruit, I would be "at home" as well. Hence, for this to be true, Sigurd would have to be lying.
As much as Sigurd likes trying to have it both ways, he can't. :laugh4:
seireikhaan
05-22-2008, 16:37
Hmm... lets not forget the possibility of Kev being a Don of sorts. If he was a Don, then even though he was out, he would appear innocent to anyone trying to observe him anyways.
Yet we've seen no other "noob" kills have we?
So, Sigurd is claiming I am actually one of the original Carellis. While flattered, he gives me far too much credit. Plus, it would prove that he did indeed lie in his investigation reveal.
Also, for me to be a "recruit" means the rules that applied to me, applied to you. If "recruits" show up as "innocent but not home" before they are recruited, then you would have showed up the same way when the prostitute blocked you. But when you were visited by the prostitute, you were "at home". If I was a recruit, I would be "at home" as well. Hence, for this to be true, Sigurd would have to be lying.
As much as Sigurd likes trying to have it both ways, he can't. :laugh4:
You are way ahead of me when it comes to having figured it all out. You seem to be THE authority on this game's mechanics.
Right... Sasaki claims that he was wanted as a recruit my both mafia factions, if we believe him.
He claims to be Manfredo. Then you claim there are other recruits in this game, like TinCow. Fair enough, the offers seems to suggest this. If we add up all the town killers (according to you):
We have 6 killers that can perform 7 kills every night:
A little unbalanced, don't you think? Considering there only being 4 pro town roles.
I think maybe Sasaki took one of the offers and acted all n00bish on his first official hit as mafioso.
Since you seem to have figured it all out, pray tell us. Who is the last one on your list, the double hit killer? If you really are pro-town, shouldn't you be worried about losing right now? Yet, you seem all cherry.
Yet we've seen no other "noob" kills have we?
You could have held off on killing until now, or you could have a calling card that was a bit more subtle than the "noob" killer's. You accuse me of being the "noob" but as other people have pointed out, my death write-up showed me as an entirely competent fighter.
Also, for me to be a "recruit" means the rules that applied to me, applied to you. If "recruits" show up as "innocent but not home" before they are recruited, then you would have showed up the same way when the prostitute blocked you. But when you were visited by the prostitute, you were "at home". If I was a recruit, I would be "at home" as well. Hence, for this to be true, Sigurd would have to be lying.
Sigurd's arguments are massively full of holes, but his errors don't make you innocent. If there are 'recruits' in this game, then there are roles that were not listed in the original rules. That means there are plenty of things you could have been out doing when you were investigated. There are many reasons why you could have been found to be "out" while I could have been found to be "at home" but going into them in more detail would probably make me break the rules since I am now dead. The point is simply that you are far from cleared, regardless of whatever disinformation Sigurd may be spinning.
LittleGrizzly
05-22-2008, 16:42
Tally:
Caius : 4 (Curio, Sasaki, LittleGrizzly, Privateerkev)
Sasaki : 3 (woad&fangs, Caius, LittleGrizzly)
Not voting : 2 (Proletariat, axel)
Firstly i have a problem with the tally, it seems a bit late to do anything about this now.... incase you didn't notice i voted for 2 seperate people
So here is my proposal. I am revealing because it's evident I'm going to be lynched tomorrow. I have a decent chance of survival if attacked by mafia though--so I dare them to try. Meanwhile, I'll keep making vigilante kills (Omanes is my only one so far). W&F is next. Just quit wasting your votes on me!
I believe we should take sasaki's offer, we can direct him to kill as we chose and if he is killing who we ask him to hes a useful pro-town service, if he's not killing who we ask him to he's scum and we lynch him.
The proof is in the night writeups. Notice the Tommy Gun wielding mafioso. He first appears on Night 4, May 15th. The first night phase after LittleGrizz returns to the game from a bout of power lurking. Tommy is then absent on Night 5, May 18th. Notice how LittleGrizz was did not make a post on any part of the forum that day or the day before. He then reappears on Night 6 when Grizz was participating.
pure coincidence sasaki's write up is better reference for answers to this bit though, also if i was mafia i would at least make the effort to send my pm in even if i was avoiding the thread to stay out of sight.
Woad&Fangs: I'm listening. As is always the case with me, I want to check for myself your evidence, but if you are indeed correct then it is certainly damning towards Little Grizzly. Sasaki take note. If you are pro-town go with evidence rather than hunches.
I think there isn't much more than hunches to go on atm, and ive had a bad feeling about woad for a few turns now.
I have yet to hear any evidence against Sasaki other than "he's a good player so he must be mafia".
Can't people think of anything else?
All the suspicion i can put on sasaki is hes a skilled player and he often is mafia, can't say my suspcions of him have been based on anything else, i think ive pretty much said this when i have raised concerns or voted for him.
I've been saying that the whole time.
I like you to specify that your suspicion on me is based on no investigations, just my posts (and occasional lack of posts)
Woad & Fangs says this
Look at the first post Grizz makes when coming back on the 14th. At the end of it he claims that he is "back on his best townie behaviour" or something to that effect. How does Grizz not scream out SCUM to you?
Get some real evidence against me or go with the town's wishes.
then this
I have put a LOT of effort and analysis into this game. To be killed now by Manfredo of all people, with no real evidence against me, is a lousy way to end this game for me.
Im sorry woad don't kill people without real evidence against them.... so why are you trying to get me killed ? i seem to have missed the 'real evidence' you have on grizzy
we have the line i said 'back on best townie behaviour' what i meant by that was because of 2-3 days inactivity i was not being a helpful townie, by returning, analysing the game and trying to find the mafia i was trying to be a helpful townie, which would mean i was back on best townie behaviour, a throw away comment hardly the damning 'real evidence' you talk off.
I find this especially suspicious as you had let your suspicion off me go the other day
Woad & Fangs post 974 (page 33)
One of Grizz'z earlier posts said he was inactive because he was playing PS3. I can't see a mafioso doing that.
and then one or two days later i deserve big bolded letters in bright red saying LittleGrizzly is mafia
I went from suspect to not a suspect to definitly mafia, why has this happened ? what has changed ? the only thing i can think off is the fact woad nows the game might be up now sasaki has his sights on him and hes trying to redirect attention (scummy tactic)
Elite ferret that list you were in was supposed to include everyone (i think i missed someone) i said in it that i have no real reason to suspect you, the only thing that i can think off against you is the fact you replaced TS rather than him suiciding, i always thought this was a harsh reason to vote for you though...
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 17:11
Tally:
Caius : 4 (Curio, Sasaki, LittleGrizzly, Privateerkev)
Sasaki : 3 (woad&fangs, Caius, LittleGrizzly)
Not voting : 2 (Proletariat, axel)
Firstly i have a problem with the tally, it seems a bit late to do anything about this now.... incase you didn't notice i voted for 2 seperate people
Yeah, the vote on Caius should read "Elite Ferret". It doesn't effect the actual vote tally though.
Hmm... lets not forget the possibility of Kev being a Don of sorts. If he was a Don, then even though he was out, he would appear innocent to anyone trying to observe him anyways.
But that makes for 3 Carelli roles. 4 actually if there is indeed a Carelli noob as some have theorized.
You are way ahead of me when it comes to having figured it all out. You seem to be THE authority on this game's mechanics.
I appreciate the compliment. But it was you that forced me to look into the mechanics of the game. Your constant jumping of roles that you claimed I had caused me to look at what each role could actually do.
Right... Sasaki claims that he was wanted as a recruit my both mafia factions, if we believe him.
He claims to be Manfredo. Then you claim there are other recruits in this game, like TinCow. Fair enough, the offers seems to suggest this. If we add up all the town killers (according to you):
We have 6 killers that can perform 7 kills every night:
A little unbalanced, don't you think? Considering there only being 4 pro town roles.
The night reports seem to suggest 6 killers. As for the 7 kills, that might be off. It seems common in mafia games to let the remaining mafia member do 2 kills when 1 member is lynched. So, it is 6 killers with 6 kills. I suspect the 1 Carelli was able to do 2 kills because 00Jebus got lynched.
I think maybe Sasaki took one of the offers and acted all n00bish on his first official hit as mafioso.
Since you seem to have figured it all out, pray tell us. Who is the last one on your list, the double hit killer? If you really are pro-town, shouldn't you be worried about losing right now? Yet, you seem all cherry.
I'm cheery because I have finally proven that you have been lying the entire game. :2thumbsup:
As for my suspect, I don't know. W&F might be a good choice. LG as well. Maybe Prole. I know it isn't me, Sasaki, EF, or Curio.
You could have held off on killing until now, or you could have a calling card that was a bit more subtle than the "noob" killer's. You accuse me of being the "noob" but as other people have pointed out, my death write-up showed me as an entirely competent fighter.
Not really. You lost if you recall.
Why would I have held off on killing? All the investigative and blocking roles are dead. It would have made more sense to kill to thin out the numbers I'd have to face later.
Sigurd's arguments are massively full of holes, but his errors don't make you innocent. If there are 'recruits' in this game, then there are roles that were not listed in the original rules. That means there are plenty of things you could have been out doing when you were investigated. There are many reasons why you could have been found to be "out" while I could have been found to be "at home" but going into them in more detail would probably make me break the rules since I am now dead. The point is simply that you are far from cleared, regardless of whatever disinformation Sigurd may be spinning.
So far we have one confirmed role that was not up in the 1st post. I doubt there are any more. As has been pointed out, this game is full of killing roles as it is.
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 18:22
LittleGrizzly, my comment about mafioso not playing PS3 is null and void. At the time I did not know about the recruiting mechanic. Once I learned about that things started making sense. I do not believe you were recruited into the mafia until the 14th when you suddenly became more active. You were on the .Org before the 14th but were not active in the thread. What made you come back? Perhaps a shiny PM in your inbox to recruit you into a family?
One last thing. I did a quick scenario and it turns out that my death isn't a deathblow to the town. If Sasaki kills me and Grizz kills 2 others. And if Grizz is the last remaining mafioso then we still have the next day phase to lynch him.
So, if Sasaki does kill me tonight then PLEASE lynch Littlegrizz tomorrow.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 18:35
Sasaki, not a single person in this game agrees with you.
I'm pretty sure Grizz agrees with me.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-22-2008, 18:48
I don't think Sasaki was lying. He is a very high-profile player and was bound to be an early investigation target. If I were him, I wouldn't have investigated on the first night either. It's just good strategy, and Sasaki is an expert mafia strategist.
Heh, I always thought it was funny how people took the prostitute report as evidence of anything when it should have been clear that I would have stayed home no matter my role (well, except prostitute).
Heh, I always thought it was funny how people took the prostitute report as evidence of anything when it should have been clear that I would have stayed home no matter my role (well, except prostitute).
Being a top suspect on peoples' lists by reputation alone causes problems, but it also makes everyone else a lot more predictable. If handled right, it can actually work in your favor.
Night 7 : Conclusion
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Teatro Greco - Taormina - 11.45 pm
The theatre was empty.
Only one man was still standing there : Curio. He looked at the bodies lying on the ground and shaked his head in disbelief. How did all of this happen? First there was this disaster with the eruption of Mount Etna. And then there was this seemingly endless nightmare of killings, lynchings, strange accidents, suicides...
"Murphy's law?" he thought by himself, a bit surprised by his hard sarcastic sense of humor.
Finally, he walked out of the theatre.
As soon as he was outside the ancient structure, he came face to face with a man, lurking in the shadows, wearing a fedora.
Curio couldn't see him very well, but he noticed that the man was smiling and smoking a cigarette.
When he looked down, he saw that the was also holding a tommy gun.
The burst of bullets instantly transformed Curio's body into a bloody mess.
The smiling man dropped his cigarette and calmly left the scene.
***
Elite Ferret was hungry. He hadn't eaten for two days, because he was too afraid to enter any other building but his hotel.
But he couldn't sleep, so he went out, late at night, looking for a pizzeria.
He finally found one where there were still lights shining. Obviously, there was nobody in the pizzeria.
"Guess I'll have to prepare my own dish. Oh well, why not."
On the other side of the street a man wearing a fedora watched Elite Ferret entering the building. He waited for a couple of minutes and then pushed the button on a device.
An enormous explosion devastated the building. With an overwhelming noise, the walls of the restaurant collapsed, burrying Elite Ferret under several tons of bricks.
The man walked to the building and watched the flames. He lights a cigarette from the smoldering rubble and smokes it, enjoying his work. After a few minutes he dropped his cigarette and quickly ran away from the scene.
****
woad&fangs was out of breath. Never before had he run that fast.
He quickly entered his hotel room and blocked the door with some pieces of furniture. Finally feeling safe, he took off his clothes and went to the bathroom, to take a shower.
When the water started to run, the window of the third floor room was silently opened. A man calmy walked into the room and followed the noise of the singing woad&fangs.
When he entered the room, woad&fangs had just ended his shower and turned around to see a silenced gun pointed at his head.
"It's a mistake, really..." woad&fangs murmured.
The bullet between his eyes ended all of his fears.
The man walked up to the body and fired two more shots in the head and one in the chest. He left the room through the window, disappearing unnoticed into the night.
***
Day 7
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Isola Bella - Taormina - 7.30 am
4 people showed up at Isola Bella.
They didn't quite expect for this to happen. Only 4 of them left and one of them had to be a murdering mafioso.
They silently stared at each other.
Again, they had to vote...
Alive (4)
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Killed (18)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
pevergreen
Rythmic
Husar
Haudegen
Omanes
Makanyane
TinCow
woad&fangs
Curio
Elite Ferret
Lynched (6)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sarathos
Northnovas
Caius
WoG'ed (6)
Zorg
TwilightBlade
Bananabob
Tratorix
Tiberius of the Drake
axel
Suicide (4)
Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk
Mithrandir
***
It's now day. Please, start voting. Day will last until tomorrow, 22.00 (GMT +2)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Hopefully now you'll believe I wasn't mafia :laugh4:
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 21:26
:daisy: Okay, I just ran scenarios through my head one more time and I realized something. Sasaki must kill a mafioso to turn protown. I am not a mafioso so this poses a problem. If we lynch Grizz tomorrow then Sasaki will not have a mafioso to kill. Therefore he will have to win as a serial killer by killing everybody. Sasaki will kill one townie the next night and then win because it will only be him and one surviving player(Killers=number of townies=victory for killer).
So here is what should happen.
Tonight: Sasaki kills Woad(:shame: ), Grizz kills two townies. In this scenario we will use Pkev and Curio as examples but it doesn't matter which he chooses.
So at the beginning of day the alive list would look something like this...
Sasaki
Grizz
EF
Prole
Some one other than Sasaki or Grizz should be lynched. In this case we will use Prole as the example.
Players alive at the end of the day are Sasaki, Grizz, and EF
Grizz has to attack Sasaki and EF
Sasaki attacks Grizz
Grizz only has a 1/3 chance of killing Sasaki. We have to hope that we get lucky here. EF dies. Sasaki kills Grizz, this kill converts him to the town side. He is the lone survivor and is on the town side, hence TOWNIE victory.
Of course, whether it is a townie victory or a singular victory in this scenario is uncertain.
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 21:31
Okay, night phase posted while I was posting so here is the new scenario.
First off, Mafioso do not sing in the shower and I saw a tommy gun in that writeup. :clown:
Secondly
Privateerkev
Sasaki
Prole
Grizz
Sasaki is still a serial killer
If you lynch a mafioso(Grizz) you lose.:laugh4:
I say we lynch Pkev. He is less likely to be a mafioso then prole I think. but that is up to you guys I guess.
So, Grizz kills Prole, Grizz attacks Sasaki but fails(we hope), Sasaki kills Grizz and converts to the town(we hope).
Any questions?:clown:
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 21:32
Interesting. Compare the killing of EF with the beginning of the post about W&F.
The man walked to the building and watched the flames. He lights a cigarette from the smoldering rubble and smokes it, enjoying his work. After a few minutes he dropped his cigarette and quickly ran away from the scene.
woad&fangs was out of breath. Never before had he run that fast.
Looks like Sasaki was right after all.
Of course, if we're still here, that means Manfredo must be mafia.
vote: Sasaki
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 21:35
crap, wait a minute. I'm confused.
unvote Sasaki; vote abstain
If Manfredo is pro-town, how can he be mafia?
But W&F probably was the mafioso.
Gah...
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 21:37
*stares at the other three people not knowing who to trust*
Unfortunately for the town, it's too late PK. Even if you lynch Sasaki, the remaining mafioso can obviously kill two at once and will kill the other two off tonight. Your only hope is to guess the right other mafioso and lynch them, but that will be complicated by the fact that they're working together. At best, it'll be up to chance on the lynch with a 2/2 split. Even if you are lucky, that leaves Sasaki alive to kill one of you, resulting in another 1/1 lynch vote split. Unless the town is absurdly lucky, the game is over. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Good job mafia! :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 21:39
Unfortunately for the town, it's too late PK. Even if you lynch Sasaki, the remaining mafioso can obviously kill two at once and will kill the other two off tonight. Your only hope is to guess the right other mafioso and lynch them, but that will be complicated by the fact that they're working together. At best, it'll be up to chance on the lynch with a 2/2 split. Even if you are lucky, that leaves Sasaki alive to kill one of you, resulting in another 1/1 lynch vote split. Unless the town is absurdly lucky, the game is over. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Good job mafia! :2thumbsup:
Bah, I refuse to let the pessimistic ramblings of a yakuza ghost dishearten me.
*keeps staring at the townies*
Apparently you missed the part where we all told you that Sasaki always goes mafia.
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 21:44
Apparently you missed the part where we all told you that Sasaki always goes mafia.
No I was simply ignoring you. Since your yakuza, nothing you say is to be trusted. Even if it is the truth, it is put there strategically.
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 21:50
I sent this by PM to Pkev a minute ago but he reminded me that I can't communicate that way now that I'm dead so I'm just posting the PM here.
I normally don't make promises or swear on anything when it comes to mafia games. Either you get a reputation as a lying sack of :daisy: or people take advantage of your honesty and you can never win.
But I swear that I was not a Mafioso.
I have worked to hard on this game to have it thrown away by coincidental writing and Sasaki's stubborness.
If you lynch Sasaki then Grizz will kill the two remaining players and the town will lose.
If you lynch Grizz then Sasaki will win.
If you lynch Prole there is a slight chance she was mafia and Sasaki will win.
YOU must be lynched for your team to win.
And Yes, this has got to be the most :daisy:ed up situation I have ever seen in a mafia game.:clown:
The only changes I made were to daisy some swear words.
The four remaining people of Taormina started the discussion.
Voices from the dead were carried by the wind, urging them to vote.
All of the sudden, Sasaki yelled: "Look! Over there!"
Proletariat and LittleGrizzly watched in the direction indicated by Sasaki.
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It was a sailboat! Did help finally arrive? Was the nightmare over?
LittleGrizzly jumped in the air. "Hurray, we made it!" and ran towards the beach.
Proletariat couldn't help herself and bursted out in tears. She couldn't believe the nightmare was finally over. Soon she would be back home, to her family and hopefully she would recover from this nightmare.
Okay... so the game is over?
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 21:54
YOU must be lynched for your team to win.
Actually, I have a better idea...
*draws silenced pistol*
Yeah, I don't get the pm either :dizzy2:
That has the be the ballsiest post I've ever seen. You're actually trying to get the only confirmed townie alive to lynch himself on the basis that doing so is the only way for the town to win? That is very, very impressive.
:bow:
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While Proletariat was crying, she didn't notice how Privateerkev sneaked up on her.
A bullet from his silenced gun in the back of her head ended her life.
Manfredo shoots two more bullets in her head and one more in her chest.
That was totally ironic considering Tincow's post :laugh4:
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 21:56
*sets silenced pistol down and takes sniper rifle from the case*
seireikhaan
05-22-2008, 21:56
Yup, here we go.
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 21:57
Okay, Now I'm confused:dizzy2:
I wanna know the ending!!! I hate refreshing my screens every 10 seconds to read a new part to the story...
seireikhaan
05-22-2008, 21:58
So how's your mafia lord, Pkev? Sasaki doing ok?
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2008, 21:58
PK won.
Although this is kinda getting dragged out, I mean for Chrissake end it already.
seireikhaan
05-22-2008, 21:59
Btw, I humbly bow down to Sasaki's superior mafia skills. Well done.:bow:
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/sniperrifle.jpg
Manfredo calmly kneeled down, pointing his sniper rifle at the running LittleGrizzly.
A moving target was always hard to hit, but Manfredo was a pro.
One shot was all he needed to take LittleGrizzly down.
LittleGrizzly still had that big smile on his face when he fell down on the rocks, a bullet in his head.
***
Sasaki and Privateerkev calmly walked to the sailboat.
The female crew greeted them enthousiastically.
https://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3070/07uy6.th.jpg (https://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=07uy6.jpg)
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8144/moranatias05uo2.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moranatias05uo2.jpg)
"Hi Luciano, good to see you back", Francesca and Adriana greeted the well known Carelli killer.
"Good to see you girls back too," Sasaki said, smiling and dropping his cigarette.
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8250/italianboobsiq8.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=italianboobsiq8.jpg)
"Hmmm, you must be the new guy, Manfredo... Handsome..." Antonia and Allessandra giggled.
Privateerkev blushed.
https://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7431/11105geqh5.th.jpg (https://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11105geqh5.jpg)
"Oh girls, don't scare our new guy, will you?" Gina added, biting in Privateerkev's cheek.
"Can you give us a hand lifting up our nuclear rockets?", Luciano asked...
"Sure we can :eyebrows:!", Gina said and all started to laugh hysterically...
CARRELLI MAFIA VICTORY !!
Congratulations ! Very well played :bow:
~:cheers:
Alive (2)
Sasaki Kojiro - Luciano - Carelli mafia
Privateerkev - Manfredo - killed Juliette, recruited by Carelli later in the game
Killed (20)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan - recruitable townie - has not been recruited (died too soon)
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo - Juliette
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
pevergreen
Rythmic - Carabinieri (Pino)
Husar - Angelica - Prostitute
Haudegen
Omanes
Makanyane
TinCow - Tommaso - recruitable townie - recruited by yakuza
woad&fangs
Curio
Elite Ferret
LittleGrizzly
Proletariat
Lynched (6)
shlin28
00jebus - Gianluca - Carelli
Sigurd Fafnesbane - Taketsi
Sarathos
Northnovas
Caius
WoG'ed (6)
Zorg
TwilightBlade
Bananabob
Tratorix
Tiberius of the Drake - recruitable townie - has not been recruited
axel
Suicide (4)
Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk
Mithrandir - Bernard, Juliette's Brother aka MiB
When the boat finally sailed away, several days later, a man crawled towards the beach. He just managed to see Manfredo's face.
He heard the first chopper of the rescue team and before falling unconscious, he grinned...
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 22:05
I liked my ending better:clown:
BTW, Those former KotRs players are kicking our butts.
And congratulations Sasaki and Privateerkev.
seireikhaan
05-22-2008, 22:07
:brood:
What'd I tell you guys? Hmm? Hmm? Sasaki is teh scum. Had your chance, and you let him direct yet another, predictable late game lynch of Caius.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2008, 22:08
Meh, no wonder I got nailed N2. Voted for 00jebus and was skeptical about Sasaki's reveal.
I meant when you were alive. You let Manfredo get away with lying about his prostitute action. That helped lead to Juliette's death. Not very pro-town of you... :no:
Yeees! It's all my fault now because I should have revealed my possibly held role on day one so you could kill me earlier.
I see, everybody is guilty for a town defeat except you...
If I could I'd vote for you...
Privateerkev
05-22-2008, 22:14
Here is the real Manfredo role PM:
Manfredo
You are Manfredo, a hired assasin. This was supposed to be your last assignment before your retirement.
Since you are about to retire anyway, you figured you could as well earn a few easy bucks after taking out your target.
You can investigate 3 players each night. These investigations won't learn you anything but "this is Juliette" or "this is not Juliette."
Once you found her, you can assisinate her. You're a pro, so your assasination will be a guaranteed succes. Since you're that good, you'll always turn out innocent upon investigation and you will survive any attack made on you by the mafia. When Juliette discovers you, she can attack you. In that case it's 50/50: you or Juliette will die.
After Juliette died (you will be informed in case she gets wasted by the mafia or gets lynched), you'll probably want to earn some extra cash before retirement.
After her demise, you'll be given the choice to work for the Yakuza or the Sicilian mafia. Once you made your choice, I'll bring you in contact with whatever is left of the family of your choice. If said family is extinct, you'll revive it. In that case, you might be able to find a reinforcement.
Whatever you do, your survival is critical. If you die, you lose the game, even if the team of your choice succeeds.
Good luck!
Andres.
Here is the real Carelli offer:
Hello unnamed recruit,
Here are just a few of the benefits of joining the carellis:
Our extensive wine cellar survived the explosion due to being located in our underground fortress:
https://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9200/winecellardatabaselc3.jpg
Of course we have to maintain the appearance of normality, so we keep a mountain top mansion as well, the view unfortunately is not as nice as I would like:
https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3646/p172829sicilyviewfromsuyx1.jpg
But you certainly can't have everything in life! Access to the underground fortress is through an elevator.
We have held a strangle hold on crime in Taormina for some time. "The Prostitute" you may have heard about is nothing but a lowly street walker. We have controlled a high class prostitute ring in Taormina for quite some time, of course what with the recent crisis we've been forced to remove them to the fortress for their safety.
This is Francesca:
https://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3070/07uy6.th.jpg (https://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=07uy6.jpg)
This is Adriana:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8144/moranatias05uo2.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moranatias05uo2.jpg)
Antonia and Alessandra, who seem to be inseparable...
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8250/italianboobsiq8.th.jpg (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=italianboobsiq8.jpg)
And of course, Gina, who was quite "insistent" that you join us...
https://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7431/11105geqh5.th.jpg (https://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11105geqh5.jpg)
It must be lonely down in the fortress (though Antonia and Alessandra don't seem quite as lonely as the others) because whenever I visit they don't want me to leave and go to great lengths to convince me to stay.
Ah, but enough of pleasures of the flesh. You are after all a man of business. So, let me tell you a few things. It is true that my partner Gianluca has been lynched. A great tragedy for sure. However, even without him I am still capable of killing two people per night. I abstained the first two nights in order to appear innocent. Last night I killed Crazed Rabbit (making it appear that the yakuza had done it) and failed in my attempt at offing the Taketsi himself. Of course this means I now know his identity while he does not know mine. It seems he is searching for me instead of killing. Together we will have twice the numbers and three times the kills as the lonely Taketsi.
The money from the nuclear weapons will of course be split between us.
Luciano
Here is the Carelli QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/neu9hx9txtr
Here is Manfredo's Carelli stats:
Tonight, the new Carelli family member Privateerkev aka Manfredo has to take care of a personal matter. From the next night on, he can kill 1 person each night for the Carelli family, which will bring the number of total possible kills/night for the Carelli to 3.
Manfredo Carelli stats:
Always innocent upon investigation while not performing a night action When investigated while performing a kill, the Carabinieri (if he's still alive) will find out that the room is empty. Won’t find anything incriminating though+what he finds insinuates innocence.
When attacked by mafia: 1/3 chance that the attack fails ; 1/3 chance that the attack succeeds ; 1/3 chance that the attack fails + the mafioso dies during the attempt.
Killings always 100 % success, one or two possible exceptions on this rule, but that's classified information.
Manfredo can no longer investigate.
And here is the townie QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/7mYXVeVbvbBEn
I have to go AFK for the evening. I'll be back later to answer any questions.
I had a blast and thank you to everyone for showing a noob how to play. :bow:
woad&fangs
05-22-2008, 22:18
Talk about an offer you can't refuse...
Talk about an offer you can't refuse...
Yeah, I was tempted to WoG all of you and accept the offer for myself :laugh4:
Hosts' write-up will follow later.
Thank you all for joining :bow:
Good game Privateerkev and Sasaki, and good job hosting Andres.
I almost investigated Privateer after he initially contacted me to join his group, but thought I was just being paranoid, so I decided against it. :wall:
I relied too much on that stupid list, but it was half right, as far as hitting roles.
Very well done to both. I was almost certain Sasaki was mafia, but never thought twice of PK. That does raise a major question for me, though. These are Sigurd's investigation results and the reason I didn't suspect PK:
Night 1:
TinCow is innocent. However, you found a book in his room, Mario Puzzo's "The Godfather". You also found his diary. Seems like TinCow has been dreaming of joining a mafia family.
Husar wasn't at home that night. You found some objects suggesting an interesting sex life. Husar is innocent.
Night 2:
GeneralHankerchief and pevergreen are both innocent.
Night 3:
Privateerkev wasn't in his room when you investigated it. You found his belongings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Privateerkev seems to be a boring townie.
Proletariat was in her room. There was a massive crowd gathered in front of her door, so you went outside and looked through the window. It was... interesting. Two hot women, one dressed like a businesswoman wearing glasses, the other one wearing lingerie, both playing with dolls and giggling like little girls...
Other then that, you didn't see something out of the ordinary in Proletariat's room. She also seems to be a boring townie.
It specifically says PK was a "boring townie." What gives?
Oh, I completely missed the last page earlier, thus my comment about the vote etc. :sweatdrop:
Ah well, anyway, as you might have known, all the prostitute claims were correct and Andres specifically asked me to come up with details which is why you all ended up having weird fetishes. Now I would only like to know who killed me and why it took him so long.
Apart from that, congrats.
Makanyane
05-22-2008, 23:44
Congrats and grrrrr... to the winners :balloon2:
Thanks Andres, that was good fun even if us poor townies fluffed it!
Sasaki Kojiro
05-23-2008, 00:18
~:pimp:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-23-2008, 00:19
Very well done to both. I was almost certain Sasaki was mafia, but never thought twice of PK. That does raise a major question for me, though. These are Sigurd's investigation results and the reason I didn't suspect PK:
It specifically says PK was a "boring townie." What gives?
My esteemed colleague Manfredo is somewhat investigation immune. He wasn't killing anyone that night so he appears innocent.
Now I would only like to know who killed me and why it took him so long.
I killed you eventually. I thought you were the detective after sigurd's reveal but figured you might get lynched the next day so I didn't kill you.
Here is the Carelli QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/neu9hx9txtr
So everyone can see our ridiculously off base suspicions :laugh4:
And here is the townie QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/7mYXVeVbvbBEn
Man I forgot about this!
Was a really fun game, well done Andres. For some reason the thought of there being more recruitable townies than just tiberius didn't occur to me until the "nooby mafioso" kill. Btw TinCow, what round did you get recruited and why did you target pevergreen who was on the SK list?
We had a lot of luck this game. Getting Ichigo to reveal day two ended up being key. That got me a new recruit who took care of ichigo, all the votes on ichigo led to string of deaths from the SK, we used the "sk-bait" argument to get off the hook, and the mith decided to suicide...very fortunate. Winning vs TinCow was a nice piece of luck as well. On the other hand, jebus getting investigated and tiberius getting WoG'd was pretty bad luck.
Toughest choice for me was deciding whether to attack kev in thread or not. Not doing so revealed myself to sigurd and anyone else with a discerning eye. But, a lot of people seemed to trust kev and I needed him for the last round. His work with the curio and EF saved the day. I'm curious how it would have went if I'd used the manfredo reveal though.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-23-2008, 00:28
Luciano
Yes! You're in the mafia ~:pimp:
You are Luciano, Made Gangster of the Carelli family. You are a hardened veteran of this family business. An ice cold killer who doesn't care about ethics.
You don't have class, nor style and you don't care if your victim is female, disabled, a child, etc.
Your partner is Gianluca aka 00jebus
Each of you is allowed to kill one player, so your family has two kills each night. The night you perform a hit, you'll turn out guilty. If you don't kill on a certain night, the investigation result will be "innocent", unless you're investigated by Juliette, then the result will be "unclear".
You have to pm me the name of your victim before the night phase ends.
If one of you dies, the other one is allowed to kill two players on his own each night.
There might be reinforcement later in the game. To convince this person to help out your family, you'll have to pm me an offer he can't refuse. Use your imagination for this! This person will get to chose from different offers, including yours. Unless he accepts your offer, this is the last you will hear from me about this subject (exciting, isn't it? :evil:)
If you attack the yakuza, I will roll a dice. If I roll 1 or 2, the yakuza dies, 3 or 4, you die, 5 or 6, nobody dies. If you target each other, both the yakuza and the Carelli will flee the scene.
Any questions, feel free to pm me.
Good luck!
A.
My role pm.
Also, we sent the kill methods in to andres. Although husar was supposed to have his arms and legs chopped off not "kicked off".
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-23-2008, 01:32
Congratulations Sasaki and PK.
I now see why everyone has such respect for your ability Sasaki :bow:
PK, well played mate, had me like a puppet on a string until the last couple of rounds and even then I had nothing other than a gut feeling that I was walking steadily to my doom... :creep:
... maybe next time I'll trust it.
It was a nice touch to 'switch' roles, and it that just hauled even more of the spotlight away from PK.
Thanks Andres for a great and entertaining game. I have to say I enjoyed reading about my demise (having anticipated it for a while).
Again congratulations to the Carellis, seems like I have a lot to learn... :wall: ... :creep:
LittleGrizzly
05-23-2008, 02:09
Me and woad were too intrested in each other!
damn it sasaki does it again! and p kev you seemed so innocent!
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-23-2008, 03:00
Only one man was still standing there : Curio. He looked at the bodies lying on the ground and shaked his head in disbelief. How did all of this happen? First there was this disaster with the eruption of Mount Etna. And then there was this seemingly endless nightmare of killings, lynchings, strange accidents, suicides...
"Murphy's law?" he thought by himself, a bit surprised by his hard sarcastic sense of humor.
Finally, he walked out of the theatre.
As soon as he was outside the ancient structure, he came face to face with a man, lurking in the shadows, wearing a fedora.
Curio couldn't see him very well, but he noticed that the man was smiling and smoking a cigarette.
When he looked down, he saw that the was also holding a tommy gun.
The burst of bullets instantly transformed Curio's body into a bloody mess.
The smiling man dropped his cigarette and calmly left the scene.
I have to comment on this, I mean its my first death in a mafia game (and won't be my last I'd think). I have to ask Andres, do you read the thread and attempt to link the deaths to the personalitys and comments and happenings regarding the unlucky victims and mafiosos?
I have to say if so I'm impressed, and if not, I'm doubly impressed. :beam:
As soon as I saw this:
...the man was smiling and smoking a cigarette.
...I realised my mistake... and that it was Sasaki...
Great game though.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-23-2008, 03:04
...I realised my mistake... and that it was Sasaki...
Heh, I requested that detail in honor of my favorite emoticon: ~:pimp:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-23-2008, 03:10
Ah... I see...
I was more imagining the wry smile on your face, along with the 'tut-tut' shake of the head :no:, and the internal monolouge going 'foolish amateur' :laugh4:
Edit: I have a pretty vivid imagination, maybe thats why I enjoy reading so much?
KukriKhan
05-23-2008, 03:16
Hearty congrats winners! GG :thumbsup:
From the Carelli QT board (thanks for that link; way informative):
Well, the key to being mafia is to ask yourself "what would I do if I was town" and then ask yourself "does this benefit me as mafia".
The Master tutors the n00b. Touching.:beam:
For my own part: too late did I abandon my "kill the lurkers" crusade, and instead go by intuition and "smell"; Sasaki, P-kev & Sigurd were all lying. Sigurd was dead, so a lesser threat. Sasaki & P-kev alive, so more of one. Why would a townie lie?
At first, I believed Sasaki's reveal of the prostitute visit. But I've now learned (after this game) that not only can he be persuasive, he can effectively mimic other people's writing styles, even educated ESL'ers. That's no mean feat (kudos given :bow:), and blows any supposed expertise I thought I had at parsing writing styles... out of the water.
Again: GG, and congrats you guys; and thanks for the 3-week game Andres! You gave me something else to occupy my attention while the rest of the family was engrossed in American Idol.
Proletariat
05-23-2008, 03:23
Haha! If Sasaki says he wants to buck his trend of always going scum whenever possible at any cost, he should say so before the final rounds of a game where he's about to be lynched for being scummy.
I don't see what you mean. What I say here won't buck any trends--the game write up will.
Not much of a trend being cast off here. :laugh4: :laugh4: :sweatdrop: :cry: :cry:
I was just too late to get the tying vote on you the night before, Sasaki!
This is all just sour grapes. Hats off, Sasaki, you're brilliant at this. And major kudos to Kev, who I never really suspected.
Well Kukri, Sigurd was actually making a whole lot of sense if you filtered out the nonsense hiding his own role. Sometimes it's not important which role someone has as long as his logic is good, it was in Sigurd's interest to kill the other mafia family.
And Sasaki, this is what you prevented:
Hi Andres, tonight I want to sleep with Privateerkev.
He will use lipstick and other cosmetics and he has weird fantasies about mice, he sits in a small cage when I come in and wants me to join him in there.
:no:
seireikhaan
05-23-2008, 04:08
Oh, and a "You're welcome" to Sasaki and Pkev for my trying to chew Ichigo out like a dog on a bone early on.:sweatdrop:
Btw TinCow, what round did you get recruited and why did you target pevergreen who was on the SK list?
I was recruited on Turn 3 (or whatever turn it was that Sigurd got lynched) and had no clue I could even be recruited before then. My starting PM was just a normal townie PM. Even after I was recruited, Sigurd didn't completely trust me and all communications I had with him came via Andres to protect Sigurd's identity. The reason I did not do anything to save Sigurd was that I didn't know he was Taketski. I found that out approximately 5 minutes before the lynch was written up, by which time it was too late for me to do anything. That was major bad luck and pretty much game over for us from there.
My main problem was that my stats gave me only a 50% change of killing a regular townie and only a 1/6 chance of killing a mafioso. On my own, I had no chance in hell. Fortunately, Sigurd made some IC comment to Andres about passing on some kind of sacred book to me before he died. So, Andres changed the rules so that after I made one successful kill I would gain Taketski's stats on killing (100% on townies, 1/3 kill 1/3 draw 1/3 die on mafioso) but without his ability to investigate. On N4 I didn't do anything, but I suspected I was going to be investigated. On N5 I killed pevergreen specifically because I knew he was a townie from Sigurd's investigations. I desperately needed the 'upgrade' to my stats to survive, and that outweighed the risk from slimming down the MiB's target pool.
By that point I was sure you were mafioso of some kind, though I thought recruit was more likely. So, my strategy was to buddy up to you and try to act ignorant so that you wouldn't see me as a threat. I needed the town to get smaller before I started killing again, so I did not do anything on N6 when I got killed. On N7, I would have attacked you. I don't know what I would have done after that, as I hadn't thought that far ahead by the time I died. After I died, I just tried to sow as much confusion as I could to help the Carellis win.
In hindsight, I shouldn't have discarded PK's investigation results so readily. Sigurd kept telling me that PK was a major threat to be eliminated, but I was convinced he was innocent, or at most a recruit. That he could be Manfredo never occurred to me once in the entire game. Very well played.
I do have a question for you, though. Did the post about me PMing Andres have any impact on choosing me as a target? I was positive I was toast when that happened. I quickly wrote up a fake PM conversation, but it was pretty weak and would have been seen for a fake by multiple people.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-23-2008, 06:35
In hindsight, I shouldn't have discarded PK's investigation results so readily. Sigurd kept telling me that PK was a major threat to be eliminated, but I was convinced he was innocent, or at most a recruit. That he could be Manfredo never occurred to me once in the entire game. Very well played.
I spent some time arguing to you that he was Manfredo, but you were resistant to the idea. I assumed that if sigurd thought pkev was guilty even with the investigation then you would if you were linked to him. Interesting.
I do have a question for you, though. Did the post about me PMing Andres have any impact on choosing me as a target? I was positive I was toast when that happened. I quickly wrote up a fake PM conversation, but it was pretty weak and would have been seen for a fake by multiple people.
No. I often pm the game host as town. We killed you because you were an influential townie who was viewed as almost certainly innocent. Were it not for that we'd have left you alive due to your strategy of buddying up. edit: although pkev thought you were onto him. Funny how that works.
Mithrandir
05-23-2008, 06:54
Oh man, this sucks so bad...
town would've probably won if I had read the rules better...
Mithrandir
05-23-2008, 06:57
Sasaki would've been my next kill, same as TinCow.
Though I changed my kills a few times the last turn, Sasaki was constantly there.
Bernard
You are Bernard, Juliette's brother.
You are obsessively in love with your own sister and you followed her to Taormina.
Nobody is allowed to cause your sister harm and thus you will kill those who falsely accuse her during the day.
Basically, you're a serial killer. You can only kill those who vote Juliette during the day. You can only kill one player each night. As soon as Juliette starts to receive votes, you are obliged to kill at least one of those who voted her and you have to continue until all those who voted her are dead. You have to pm me the name of your target before the night ends.
If Juliette dies before the game ends, you'll go completely nuts. From then on, you are free in picking your targets, but no more then 1 each night.
Obviously, you cannot attack Juliette (not even if she votes herself) nor vote her during the day.
Juliette = Ichigo
IMPORTANT: YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REVEAL YOUR ROLE, PRIVATELY NOR PUBLICLY. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONTACT JULIETTE/ICHIGO!
Only if Juliette/Ichigo stumbles upon you after investigation and if she contacts you, are you allowed to talk to her. HOWEVER, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION THE PART OF YOUR ROLE PM ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER SHE DIES.
Good luck
Andres.
Mithrandir
05-23-2008, 06:59
Ps: Thanks to Andres for hosting an excellent game :bow:
(and wasting way too much of my time and getting me addicted to these silly games)
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 08:28
Alright, time for a basic summary of Manfredo actions.
N1: I was kind of surprised to get my role PM. This was my very first Mafia game and I wasn't sure what to do. But I had a weird kind of freedom at first. Since I wasn't really town, I didn't care about if my actions hurt the town. I could talk to anyone without fear of them being mafia. When you are the infiltrator, you don't have to worry about being infiltrated. Since I wasn't really mafia, I didn't have to worry about if my actions hurting the mafia. I had only 2 things to worry about. Getting lynched and getting found by Juliette.
I was worried about how to interact in the thread. I'm normally a chatty guy. But I was afraid talking would be suspicious. But a lot of Throne Room people are in here and I was afraid they would be suspicious of me if I was quiet. So I just chatted and chatted away. I was walking on a thin line between getting noticed and trying not to get noticed too much. I invented the "wraith" thing to basically pick a fight and get a read on people. It almost worked too well because I came close to getting lynched on day 1. Glenn actually PM'd me on the first night and warned me not to verbally fight Sasaki. This would become the basis of my infiltration of the townies.
To find Juliette, I investigated TC, GH, and Sasaki. Obviously, I found nothing.
D1: Was still fumbling about trying to figure out how to post. Almost got myself lynched. I PM'd Omanes at the last minute and asked him to switch his vote. He never replied but he did post on the thread defending me and he unvoted me. Glenn PM'd me again and we started working together. He told me I was far too talkative to be mafia so he could trust me. I decided to expand my network. I PM'd GH, NN, and TC who I know from the Throne Room. Ironically, NN and GH told me that playing with TC made them trust people less so they didn't talk much. TC was playing it cautious so I didn't push. I started PM'ing Sasaki (not knowing his role) and asking for "advice for a noob". To his credit, he did give me tons of good advice even though he thought I was a townie and plotted my death. Glenn started PM'ing Curio and got the two of us to talk. The three of us made a group. Since I was not a townie, I could care less if our group was infiltrated so I would team up with anyone.
N2: I investigated three more people. Glenn mentioned something about Tiberius being suspicious so I investigated him. Andres told me Tiberius was recruitable mafia but didn't know it. I stored that information for later. I also investigated Prole and TS. Still no Juliette.
D2: This day changed everything. Ichigo was acting weird on the thread. I sensed he had a role so I tried to save him from a lynch so I would seem pro-town. I planned on investigating him though. But people kept pushing him and he revealed as Juliette. Well, there was one of my victory conditions right there. I played it cool and asked the group to let Ichigo in. Ironically, Ichigo refused because he didn't trust Glenn.
N3: I tried to kill Ichigo but Andres stopped me. He said no real hit man would kill before investigating. That is the real reason Ichigo did not die on N3. Glenn was killed on N3.
D3: Curio and I asked Ichigo to join our group now that Glenn was dead. Basically I just wanted to pass the time away so I could get on to N4. Omanes seemed like a good vote to sit on but then he said he was having real life busyness so I felt bad. Plus he helped me out on D1. So I switched to Sigurd. But then everyone switched to Sigurd. So I just abstained. But as luck would have it, Sigurd had a role and revealed an investigation result on me. At first I thought he was the detective so I thanked him when he covered my name up. But then I realized something was wrong.
N4: The big night comes at last. I get the 2 offers from Andres. The Carelli offer was very... "persuading". Plus, it said he had found the yakuza guy and the family had 2 kills a night. Plus by the offer, I suspected it was Sasaki who is a known quantity around the Babe Thread. I wanted to be on the "winning team" so I joined the Carellis. Andres put me in touch with Sasaki who laughed and said he was about to kill me because he thought I was the prostitute. (he saw Sigurd's reveal before he covered it up). That night, I killed Ichigo.
D4: This day was weird. I misread my role PM and thought I would come up totally innocent if investigated. Meaning, I thought I would show up as "at home". So, I really thought Sigurd was lying at first. Plus, I saw another chance to act "pro-town" so I tried to save Husar. Our network was growing. I made a townie QT and gave Sasaki the link. With Ichigo dead, Curio and I brought in NN and EF, two of my throne room buddies. Curio was in touch with Rythmic. Rythmic sent Curio PM's that made it seem that he was the detective and Husar was the prostitute. I forwarded these to Sasaki who sent them to Andres.
N5: Even though Rythmic might have privately revealed, we figured we could still work off of the information anyways so Sasaki killed two pro-town roles that night. I thought I might get blocked by the prostitute so I did nothing that night just in case. Sasaki killed Rythmic as Manfredo to cover for me.
D5: Sigurd was on a rampage because I called him a liar. I now knew he actually didn't lie but I didn't want to reveal because I feared being lynched or killed by the SK. So I stuck to my guns and just fended him off. Unfortunately NN voted to lynch himself so we lost another member of our townie group.
N6: The light at the end of the tunnel becomes clear. Sasaki kills TC and Mak. I kill Omanes. I picked him because I could defend that kill if I wanted to "reveal" as a vigilante. It was a piece of luck that many in the town thought Manfredo could go "pro-town". He couldn't.
D6: Oh man this was just a big piece of luck. We really should have lost this day. There were 9 people. I was able to get EF and Curio to vote for Caius. People started voting for Sasaki. By the time voting ended, 3 people had voted for Sasaki while 4 had voted for Caius. 2 had not voted yet. And we were a little worried Andres was going to leave voting open longer. That was the longest 2 hours of my life. But, Andres closed voting a half hour late. Prole missed the vote which was lucky for us because she would have voted Sasaki. And Axel didn't post on time so he was WoG'd. At this point, we actually won. With 3 kills, we would have turned the next day into a tie and tie goes to the mafia. But Andres asked us to pretend the day was still going on. So Sasaki and I decided to have some fun and use the "vigilante" role we made up.
N7: We made our three kills and enjoyed ourselves immensely in the thread.
D7: Sasaki was gone so Andres asked me to help out by posting specific things at specific times in the thread so he could then post the last story in parts.
Let me know if you have any questions. :D
Sasaki Kojiro
05-23-2008, 09:03
I also want to touch on something that was brought up a few times about detectives and revealing privately. Some history:
Back in mafia 2, tiberius claimed as detective and posted screenshots of his pm to prove it. Some time after that, screenshots were banned from the game, the reason being they allow the detective to prove his role conclusively thus taking away from the fun of the game.
Some time after that, revealing after death was disallowed. The reason being: the detective had no incentive to claim. If he was killed by the mafia he could still report his results and his innocence was in fact proven.
Some time after that, it was noted that the detective could reveal privately to the people he'd investigated, thus creating a "pro town network". This is also usually not allowed. Understand that the basis of mafia is an informed minority vs the uninformed majority. In most games of mafia played on sites other than the org, townies are never allowed to talk out of thread and mafia can't talk out of thread during the day. Townies are only allowed to talk out of thread if they are masons, and then only at night. A detective revealing privately creates an informed minority with powers that are usually only given to townies by a special role (masons). It also means that he never has to claim in the thread--if he dies his informees can post the results.
Capo games are a bit different. Everyone is night active and pm'ing like crazy. Clever new ways around the rules are usually allowed, to be banned later if people don't mind it. And the rules are up to the host.
But some rules have been around for a while. It seems some people interpret "no private reveals" to mean that you can't say in a pm "I'm the detective". It's a bit vague. But in my opinion the spirit of the rule is "pretend your not the detective in any out of thread posts". There are tons of clever ways around the rules. You could pm someone and say "check my post way back on page three during the next 5 minutes" then edit that post to have your detective pm and all the results so that the person sees it, then remove it. You can send pm's that say "I thought so and so was guilty yesterday, but after last night I think he's innocent, no particular reason". You can even say "I have a source that says you are innocent". But that stuff takes away from the fun of the game in my opinion. Although this game one of the people who got told was a mafioso ~:pimp:
Later I got this from Curio...
I'll be in the quicktopic. We need to talk.
Just recieved this from Rythmic.
Hey Rythmic,
I don't really want to bother you with this but with Ichigo dead, your 'source' may be the only chance we have to get investigation results.
Obviously they can't reveal results and you can't reveal the 'source'.
Ichigo suggested to me to keep an eye on Tincow, but recent events would appear to cast him in an innocent light. Any comments?
Also the whole Axel bandwagon, do you agree with them about the possibility he could be the SK?
And finally, since I'm looking for clues on this, any opinion on Husar, I get the feeling that something just isn't right.
Also I believe Makaikhann is right when he says that the prostitute may have visited the killer already, I'd be more suspicious of Prole than Sasaki atm (plus I need to go back and reread the thread.
Thanks for your time,
Curio
Husar is innocent, the Carabinieri investigated him last night.
TinCow is crafty. I never, ever trust him after Netherworld. But, since all anti-town roles were active last night that pretty much clears his name.
My source says Prole is innocent, but not all roles were active that night.
Voting Axel is useless.
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 09:23
I find it highly ironic that the detective's private reveal allowed the mafia to kill not one, but two power-town roles.
:laugh4:
I've really got to learn not to trust people just because I played KotR with them...TC betrayed me, now PK!!!! If I'm ever in a game with you again it's gonna be vote:PK every round until you're dead :clown:
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 09:54
I've really got to learn not to trust people just because I played KotR with them...TC betrayed me, now PK!!!! If I'm ever in a game with you again it's gonna be vote:PK every round until you're dead :clown:
I was a little skeptical about using TC's Netherworld strategy. I was afraid people would see through it. But, I figured I'd give it my best shot.
It is probably going to be one of those things I'll only be able to get away with once though.
I can see future games now: "Kevin's being chatty! He must be guilty! Lynch him!"
:clown:
Good play Sasaki and Privateerkev. Yes I was Taketsi… I finally admit to it.
I lost when Sasaki lucked out the night he attacked me. He could have been killed in the attempt. I regret that I didn’t investigate him like I had planned on night 2. My role description explains why:[]
Taketsi
Yes! You're in the yakuza file:///C:/WINDOWS/TEMP/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif
You are Taketsi, one of the most cruel killers wandering around this earth. You're a member of an important Japanese crime family.
The family sent you to retrieve the nuclear weapon stolen from them by the Carelli family. You can investigate 2 players a night or kill 1 player each night. If you find Luciano or Gianluca, you can kill them and the kill will be a guaranteed hit.
If you attack the a Carelli without having investigated him first, I will roll a dice. If I roll 1 or 2, you die, 3 or 4, the Carelli dies, 5 or 6, nobody dies. If you target each other, both the yakuza and the Carelli will flee the scene.
When killing, you'll turn out guilty upon investigation by the Carabinieri or Juliette. If you don't kill at night, you'll be innocent upon investigation when investigated by the Carabinieri or "unclear" when investigated by Juliette.
You have to pm me your night orders before the night phase ends.
If one of you dies, the other one is allowed to kill two players on his own each night.
There might be reinforcement later in the game. To convince this person to help out your family, you'll have to pm me an offer he can't refuse. Use your imagination for this! This person will get to chose from different offers, including yours. Unless he accepts your offer, this is the last you will hear from me about this subject (exciting, isn't it? file:///C:/WINDOWS/TEMP/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.gif)
Any questions, feel free to pm me.
Good luck!
A.
Being in the informed minority I clearly saw the connection between PK and Sasaki.
PK was too well informed to be a townie and Sasaki just let him ramble on spilling more and more of the information that amazingly struck closer and closer to the bull’s eye.
But I was not about to come clear with the town when I still had the possibility to win through TC. I warned him about getting to cozy with Sasaki, as Sasaki would get rid of him as soon as he got suspicious. It was imperative that TC should do one kill to get the powers that could protect him against an attack. Again Sasaki lucked out. Let me see those dice Andres…
Game over for us and no point in retaliate against the Carelli. We weren’t townies after all.
I still gave the town ample chance of lynching both privateerkev and Sasaki, but PK held his fort brilliantly and I must say it was fun bantering with him. We must do it again sometime.
Fortunately you didn’t completely fool us all or you would suffer the same as some of us have. TC fooled us all in Netherworld and it will follow him sometime, trust is hard earned.
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 10:18
Being in the informed minority I clearly saw the connection between PK and Sasaki.
PK was too well informed to be a townie and Sasaki just let him ramble on spilling more and more of the information that amazingly struck closer and closer to the bull’s eye.
But I was not about to come clear with the town when I still had the possibility to win through TC. I warned him about getting to cozy with Sasaki, as Sasaki would get rid of him as soon as he got suspicious. It was imperative that TC should do one kill to get the powers that could protect him against an attack. Again Sasaki lucked out. Let me see those dice Andres…
Game over for us and no point in retaliate against the Carelli. We weren’t townies after all.
I still gave the town ample chance of lynching both privateerkev and Sasaki, but PK held his fort brilliantly and I must say it was fun bantering with him. We must do it again sometime.
Fortunately you didn’t completely fool us all or you would suffer the same as some of us have. TC fooled us all in Netherworld and it will follow him sometime, trust is hard earned.
It was indeed good to be crossing swords with you. :duel:
Now that the game is over, I will state for the record:
1.) Sigurd's reveal on me was absolutely correct. At first I actually thought it was wrong. But Andres corrected me. But I did not want to reveal so I had to lie about it.
2.) I did indeed PM Sigurd after he revealed. But when I realized who he was, I lied again to maintain my cover and throw suspicion on him.
Sasaki told me you were Taketsi but I couldn't exactly admit that. He was the one that attacked you in the room and new anyone who fought back, had to have a role. With your "reveals", it was obvious who you were. But I couldn't use that knowledge and you did an admirable job muddying the waters.
With all due respect, I would rather we be on the same team next time. I much rather have you at my back as an ally than across from me as an opponent. You are very good. :bow:
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 12:39
I woke up early so I decided to go back through the posts and pick out my favorite quotes. Any suggestions on which I should put in my signature? :beam:
I see you've all met PK. This should be an interesting game. :laugh4:
But still, PK was providing, imo, some fairly good reasoning for his actions. So he has a lot to say... doesn't mean that hes guilty.
FoS: PK
Twice as many posts as anyone else.
I don't think PK should be voted just because he has twice as many posts as anyone else, it could be a cover trying to seem like a helpful townie but if it is im fooled...
PK just doesn't strike me as mafia. He has been acting exactly as he always does in this game, and it would be nearly impossible for anyone to pull off such a perfect cover from the first turn of their first game.
Privateerkev would be the least cautious newbie-mafioso ever.
The town was doomed to lose the moment I accidentally got myself WoG'd, (long story), sorry guys. Well done PK for using my WoG to your advantage, very clever strategy. I was going to investigate you the next night, because I knew you were Mafia, but I was foolish with my PMs. :embarassed:
Carabinieri
You are Pino di Luca, the only surviving Carabinieri of Taormina.
You are more then just a policeman, you're also a talented detective and a martial artist.
Each night, you are allowed to investigate one player.
You will survive the first attack by an ordinary mafioso. Since you'll probably get wounded during that attack, you won't survive the next one though.
You have to submit your night orders each night, before the end of the night phase.
Good luck :2thumbsup:
Andres.
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 12:55
The town was doomed to lose the moment I accidentally got myself WoG'd, (long story), sorry guys. Well done PK for using my WoG to your advantage, very clever strategy. I was going to investigate you the next night, because I knew you were Mafia, but I was foolish with my PMs. :embarassed:
We didn't know if you were going to get WoG'd. Andres spoke in abstracts about what he would do in this situation. So, we didn't want to take any chances and killed you as soon as we figured out who you and Husar were.
Meh, no wonder I got nailed N2. Voted for 00jebus and was skeptical about Sasaki's reveal.
Actually I was thinking of going for Ichigo night 2, but he seemed to be attracting lots of attention, so I went back to the list of experienced players that I think rythmic posted on night one and closed my eyes and picked one at random.
then it turned out Ichigo investegated me and my little plan fell apart.
Oh and appologies to seamus, I was ordered to kill you by a higher power, who saw you as the only real threat.
and congrads to the teamates, I hope they enjoy their boat ride.
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 13:02
and congrads to the teamates, I hope they enjoy their boat ride.
Who said your not on the boat with us? I'm sure at least one of the girls is a necrophiliac. :clown:
LittleGrizzly
05-23-2008, 14:05
I don't think PK should be voted just because he has twice as many posts as anyone else, it could be a cover trying to seem like a helpful townie but if it is im fooled...
Gah! i remember posting that with a smile on my face, that kevin guy is so friendly and helpful but i was fooled.
would make a good sig i think
pevergreen
05-23-2008, 14:23
I campaigned for PK's lynch most of the game :no:
:laugh4:
Sasaki fools me again. I believe i still owe you from Capo 1 my dear friend...
With all due respect, I would rather we be on the same team next time. I much rather have you at my back as an ally than across from me as an opponent. You are very good. :bow:
Told you so. :sweatdrop:
I have to say my suspicions were partly based on one thing I never told anyone, don't get me wrong, Andres made a good game, but I signed up saying only if I could be the prostitute, then got the job and asked Andres whether I had successfully blackmailed him. Andres replied that someone else got the role originally but he gave it to me because he suspected that person to lurk anyway. From that point I had my suspicions that most of the roles were assigned to experienced, reliable players, despite the randomness. I didn't tell anyone not to ruin Andres's game and I didn't know who he would think of as reliable so it was still a lot of guesswork, but it sort of made the lurkers appear a lot less suspicious, turns out I also slept with a lot of mafioso(or planned to), except for Glenn who had it coming after some posts here in the thread and prole who I took to get some gender equality. :sweatdrop:
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 14:56
I have to say my suspicions were partly based on one thing I never told anyone, don't get me wrong, Andres made a good game, but I signed up saying only if I could be the prostitute, then got the job and asked Andres whether I had successfully blackmailed him. Andres replied that someone else got the role originally but he gave it to me because he suspected that person to lurk anyway. From that point I had my suspicions that most of the roles were assigned to experienced, reliable players, despite the randomness. I didn't tell anyone not to ruin Andres's game and I didn't know who he would think of as reliable so it was still a lot of guesswork, but it sort of made the lurkers appear a lot less suspicious, turns out I also slept with a lot of mafioso(or planned to), except for Glenn who had it coming after some posts here in the thread and prole who I took to get some gender equality. :sweatdrop:
I was actually hoping the prostitute would block me on N5. I even refrained from killing for that night so I would look innocent. Plus I wanted protection from the SK. Though I secretly dreaded what Andres would write up for me.
:laugh4:
2.) I did indeed PM Sigurd after he revealed. But when I realized who he was, I lied again to maintain my cover and throw suspicion on him.
I could never figure that one out. It made absolutely no sense for you to lie about PMing Sigurd. So what if you had thanked him? How was that incriminating in any way? Ironically, your lie made me think you were more innocent because it seemed such an obvious mistake. If anyone else had done that, it would have been a giant flashing bulb over your head saying MAFIOSO. I just chalked it up to inexperience, and assumed you were just trying to discredit him by lying, a more advanced tactic than you were adopting in the early stages. I assumed it was just you getting more comfortable with how the game works.
Part of my problem was the dichotomy between PK showing up as "out" on the investigation results and it also showing him as a "boring townie." Not knowing that Manfredo could defeat investigations, I assumed one of the two parts was artistic license, it was just a question of which one. Boring townie seemed very specific to me, so I mentally discarded the "out" as non-informative description.
I can see future games now: "Kevin's being chatty! He must be guilty! Lynch him!"
You've set yourself a very high bar on the post count. After Capo II I realized that as a newbie I had a shot at defeating Holmes be intentionally posting in a consistent manner in every single mafia game I play. Most people don't have that option, because they had been in mafia games before Holmes was invented. I've done my best to post at the same frequency, length, and with the same type of analysis that I did in Capo II and I will keep doing that. Your post count in this thread was double anyone else's, though. So if you want to try a similar thing, you're doomed to be typing until your fingers fall off.
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 15:21
I could never figure that one out. It made absolutely no sense for you to lie about PMing Sigurd. So what if you had thanked him? How was that incriminating in any way? Ironically, your lie made me think you were more innocent because it seemed such an obvious mistake. If anyone else had done that, it would have been a giant flashing bulb over your head saying MAFIOSO. I just chalked it up to inexperience, and assumed you were just trying to discredit him by lying, a more advanced tactic than you were adopting in the early stages. I assumed it was just you getting more comfortable with how the game works.
Because I was trying to discredit him. And since he couldn't post his PM while dead, he couldn't prove me wrong. In hind-sight, I probably should have let it go but things were happening very fast at that point.
Part of my problem was the dichotomy between PK showing up as "out" on the investigation results and it also showing him as a "boring townie." Not knowing that Manfredo could defeat investigations, I assumed one of the two parts was artistic license, it was just a question of which one. Boring townie seemed very specific to me, so I mentally discarded the "out" as non-informative description.
Look at the investigations again.
Night 1:
TinCow is innocent. However, you found a book in his room, Mario Puzzo's "The Godfather". You also found his diary. Seems like TinCow has been dreaming of joining a mafia family.
Husar wasn't at home that night. You found some objects suggesting an interesting sex life. Husar is innocent.
Night 2:
GeneralHankerchief and pevergreen are both innocent.
Night 3:
Privateerkev wasn't in his room when you investigated it. You found his belongings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Privateerkev seems to be a boring townie.
Proletariat was in her room. There was a massive crowd gathered in front of her door, so you went outside and looked through the window. It was... interesting. Two hot women, one dressed like a businesswoman wearing glasses, the other one wearing lingerie, both playing with dolls and giggling like little girls...
Other then that, you didn't see something out of the ordinary in Proletariat's room. She also seems to be a boring townie.
Notice that GH and Pever are listed as "innocent". Also, Husar is "innocent" even though he is out.
Now look at mine and Prole's. We "seem to be a boring townie". My role gives this result whenever I was out doing something. Prole gave this result because she was being blocked by the Prostitute. Remember, the Prostitute makes investigations fail.
This was Andres's way of giving a hint to anyone who investigated Manfredo.
You've set yourself a very high bar on the post count. After Capo II I realized that as a newbie I had a shot at defeating Holmes be intentionally posting in a consistent manner in every single mafia game I play. Most people don't have that option, because they had been in mafia games before Holmes was invented. I've done my best to post at the same frequency, length, and with the same type of analysis that I did in Capo II and I will keep doing that. Your post count in this thread was double anyone else's, though. So if you want to try a similar thing, you're doomed to be typing until your fingers fall off.
I am confident that I can find it within myself to type a lot. :beam:
Notice that GH and Pever are listed as "innocent". Also, Husar is "innocent" even though he is out.
Never occurred to me until you just pointed that out. It looked to me like Andres just didn't have time to write a more elaborate result PM on N2. I won't make that mistake in his next game.
Privateerkev
05-23-2008, 16:06
Never occurred to me until you just pointed that out. It looked to me like Andres just didn't have time to write a more elaborate result PM on N2. I won't make that mistake in his next game.
That reminds me of something else. Sigurd and I investigated you on the same turn but he got the information about you being a recruit and I didn't.
Here is my N1 result:
Investigated:
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
You didn't find Juliette last night. You'll have to continue your search.
A.
But then for N2, I got this:
You didn't find Juliette tonight.
But you found out something about Tiberius of the Drake. It seems like he is obsessed with organised crime. You put this information into you notebook. It might be useful later on, in case the family of your choice needs a recruit.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONTACT TIBERIUS OF THE DRAKE WITH THIS INFORMATION AT THE MOMENT. TIBERIUS IS NOT AWARE OF HIS CURRENT STATUS (recruitable townie, semi-professional killer). UNTIL I TELL YOU OTHERWISE, THIS INFORMATION HAS TO STAY BETWEEN YOU AND ME.
Andres.
I guess he didn't want multiple people having claims to the same recruits. So he let Sigurd take the first one even though it could have gone to either of us. That's just my guess though.
Unfortunately, Tiberius was hardly playin and eventually got WoG'd so he never got recruited.
Just think about it, if Andres had given me the result on you, instead of giving it to Sigurd, you could be on the boat with us right now getting your "morale" raised. :laugh4:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-25-2008, 06:40
Thanks for hosting Andres :bow:
LittleGrizzly
05-25-2008, 22:27
Yes thanks Andres, great game!
Beefy187
05-26-2008, 10:14
Sorry for the suicide:sweatdrop: . Looks like you guys had a good time
Thanks for hosting Andres
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