View Full Version : Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]
Taormina - Sicily.
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The little mouse never knew what hit her. She was still enjoying a small piece of cheese she had found in a heap of rubble, when the claws hit her. The cat didn't feel like playing with the mouse and immediately ate it.
"Ah, the cruelty of nature", René said to his fiancee, Juliette, watching the little drama at the other end of the street.
It was hot that day in Taormina. Terasses were packed with tourists, eating gelatto, granite or drinking ice cold soda drinks.
"My granite is melting faster then I can eat it", Juliette said, sweat dripping from her forehead. She looked up to smile at her fiancee. She loved him and he still looked as gorgeous as the first time they met, in Paris.
"You still remember Paris, bijou?", she asked, her hart melting like her granite when she stared at his face. Accidentally, she dropped her handkerchief. She bowed quickly to grab it, laughing at ther own clumsiness.
René didn't answer. Juliette noticed the blood dripping. When she looked up, she saw René, with an amazed look on his face. The bullet between his eyes had almost instantly ended his life. He fell forward and his head bounced on the table.
Juliette's scream went unnoticed in the panic that broke loose. At the same time, the earth started to tremble and the howling screams of the people around her got lost in the overwhelming sound of the eruption of Mount Etna .
***
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/TeatroGrecoTaormina.jpg
The surviving villagers and toursits gathered at the Theatro Grecco.
Pino di Luca stared at the remaining people of Taormina. He was amazed by the fact that half the town was in ruins, while the ancien theatre still looked like nothing happened.
"Ladies and gentlemen", Pino said, with a trembling voice. "As the last remaining official of the Taormina Carabinieri, it is my duty to tell you about what has happened. The eruption of Mount Etna cut us off from civilisation. Help is on it's way, but it may take weeks before they reach us. I have to ask you all to stay calm. We have plenty of supplies left. Some parts of the town are still in good shape, so there should be shelter for all of you. Please don't panic and go to sleep now."
***
Manfredo was standing in the crowd, looking at the blond hair of Juliette. Damned eruption! He was so close. The job was almost finished. Oh well, the Carabinieri said that there would be several weeks, plenty of time to find Juliette and kill her, without witnesses.
***
Gianluca was frustrated. The whole operation was ruined. There was no way to get the stuff to his boss now, unless... He shivered. He was a criminal and had committed alot of crimes in his life. But the thought of having to kill every single one of the surviving villagers and tourists didn't make him happy. He looked at his partner. Luciano shrugged. He didn't seem to care. "Damn, that guy is cold as ice", Gianluca thought and he felt even worse.
***
Taketsi was pleased by his good fortune. This would make his work easier. He already knew where the stuff of the Carelli family was hidden. Now all he had to do was killing the Carelli's, take care of the pathetic villagers and tourists and leave with the bomb. His yakuza boss would be very pleased and maybe he would be made oyabun.
***
Juliette was still mourning the death of her fiancee. He wasn't supposed to die! That bullet was meant for her. The falling handkerchief saved her life, but she was the one who should have been dead now.
"Revenge will be mine!"
***
The man wearing a black cloak, standing at the opposite side of the theatre watched the group of people. He grinned.
***
Welcome to "Trapped in Taormina"!
Rules:
There are several sides in this game, each with their own goal.
Basic mafia rules apply, I'll repeat them for your convenience:
Villagers and tourists are the townies in this game.
The townies are the innocent people and they have to lynch the mafiosi during the day. The mafiosi have to kill a set number of townies each night. When all mafiosi are lynched, the town wins. When all townies are dead, the mafia wins.
Each day or night phase will last 24 hours. This may be extended due to real life circumstances.
The townies have to decide during the day by voting who will get lynched. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.
Votes have to be made like this:
Vote : Andres
When you want to switch your vote, you have to do it like this:
Unvote : Andres ; Vote : TosaInu
Please remember to BOLD YOUR VOTES! UNBOLDED VOTES WILL NOT BE COUNTED! No exceptions will be made.
Voting "No Lynch" will be counted as an abstain. When a tie is reached at the end of the day, the game host will randomly (as in "completely at random") lynch one of the players in the tie.
Roles :
- Manfredo : a hired assasin. His job was to kill Juliette. He accidentally hit her fiancee. He is allowed to investigate 3 players each night. These results are only useful for his own victory condition though. He won't get clues about a player's innocence. He investigates to discover Juliette. So he will only get results like "nope" or "yes, you found her!". He must kill Juliette and survive the game. However, he still has more then one bullet left in his gun, so who knows what this pro does after he has killed Juliette? :evil:
- Gianluca and Luciano : two made gangsters of the Carelli family. They have a stash of illegal nuclear weapons hidden in Taormina. They have to get it out of the place, without witnesses. Since the stash is big and they'll have to use a truck, they won't be able to leave unnoticed under the current circumstances. So, they'll have to kill every inhabitant of the town. Only guilty on investigation when performing a kill.
- Taketsi : one of the most cruel killers wandering around this earth. He's a member of an important yakuza family. His job is to take out Gianluca and Luciano and to get the nuclear weapons out of the place. He is able investigate 2 players each night or to kill 1 player. When killing, he'll turn out guilty upon investigation by the Carabinieri or Juliette. If he doesn't kill at night, he'll turn up innocent.
- Juliette: Secret agent. She was enjoying a holiday with her fiancee, who got unfortunately killed. She has the ability to investigate one player each night. If she happens to discover the hitman, she will have a 50 % chance of killing him during a unique attempt. If she fails, she will die.
- Carabinieri: a classic detective. Can investigate one player each night.
- Prostitute: gets to spend the night with one player each night. Night actions of that player will be blocked. If the player gets attacked or investigated, the attack and investigation will fail. An attack on the player sleeping with the prostitute has a 33 % chance of killing the prostitute.
- The man wearing a black cloak : classified information
Roles will be assigned using random.org.
* no private reveals.
* it's not allowed to quote role pm's or night actions results in private. Feel free to quote all other pm traffic, including mine (unless I explicity state that you are not allowed to quote my pm). You can quote/fabricate/forge anything you want in the public thread while being alive. Quoting chatlogs idem ditto.
* no screenshots.
* the dead are allowed to talk in the thread, but cannot communicate about this game outside of the thread.
* no post mortem reveal of role/night actions. no post mortem quoting of pm's, chatlogs or any other non public communication you had while still alive. Paraphrasing, alluding, fabricating, forging is allowed.
* MOST IMPORTANT RULE : HAVE FUN!
Sign ups : (38)
shlin28
Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief
Omanes
makaikhaan
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh
Tiberius of the Drake
05-02-2008, 20:00
Total innage!:ireland: :ireland: :ireland: (randomness is fun)
woad&fangs
05-02-2008, 20:00
In ~:flirt:
GeneralHankerchief
05-02-2008, 20:08
I'm in for this one.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-02-2008, 20:11
In!
seireikhaan
05-02-2008, 20:12
:charge:
Btw, what's happening with your other game, Andres?
Yaropolk
05-02-2008, 21:30
:turtle:
Thats my heavy cavalry to take out Khan!
In!
Sarathos
05-03-2008, 02:15
Put me down.
Beefy187
05-03-2008, 10:07
:beam:
PershsNhpios
05-03-2008, 11:55
In if it's not a sin.
(Oh yes, I would also like to truly apologise for being absent at the beginning of several games recently in which I was included - I doubt there was great effect - but it was a terrible mistake of schedule on my part..)
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-03-2008, 12:12
:yes: In, please!!!!
Crazed Rabbit
05-04-2008, 18:07
I suppose I'll have a go.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
05-04-2008, 18:17
In.
I shall participate, though RL commitments may limit my contributions a bit.
Northnovas
05-04-2008, 21:27
I will accept the invite. In!
LittleGrizzly
05-05-2008, 13:21
In In In!
KukriKhan
05-05-2008, 13:27
In!
Avante!
Need only 16 more.
Feel free to spam the inbox from any non Gameroom regular who you think might be interested.
Tell them we have cookies!
cookies you say?
Im hoping there chocolaty and sweet, cause in that case, IN!
Mithrandir
05-05-2008, 17:12
Ni!
(monthy python)
i dont know wot it is but i am willing to try , just tel me wot to do and on decent times cose i work :2thumbsup:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-05-2008, 21:16
i dont know wot it is but i am willing to try , just tel me wot to do and on decent times cose i work :2thumbsup:
Most important thing for a new player to learn is some of the traditions we have. For example, game mods always give me an innocent role. The other guys like to make jokes about how I shouldn't be trusted but they're just playin.
i dont know wot it is but i am willing to try , just tel me wot to do and on decent times cose i work :2thumbsup:
Welcome to the Gameroom good sir :bow:
Most important thing for a new player to learn is some of the traditions we have. For example, game mods always give me an innocent role. The other guys like to make jokes about how I shouldn't be trusted but they're just playin.
It's always difficult to find a good lynch target on day 1, but it seems like we have found a volunteer :grin:
Makanyane
05-05-2008, 22:26
In
(will do anything for cookie)
Hello mate.
WE have to wait for more players. The game could start soon, so keep watching it.
Some things you should learn:
You will be voted in round 1. This is a welcome we, the veteran mafia players, do. Don't worry, you won't be lynched.
The rules. Seriously.
Do not make suspiction of yourself.
Have fun, and dont get angry if the mafia use you for their victory. After all, they are the bad people of the movie!
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-05-2008, 23:26
I like to sign up please if I can please!!:2thumbsup: :yes: :clown: :egypt:
woad&fangs
05-05-2008, 23:32
Hi Axel ~:wave:
This Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70374) gives a good explanation of what mafia is all about. It also includes a dictionary of common terms used in mafia as well as links to some of the older large games.
Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=100679) is a game that was recently played with a similar number of players to this one. It should give you a basic idea of what mafia is like. If you go to the end of the thread you will find links to the various behind the scenes discussions. (note: Andres game looks like it is a little less complicated)
Twilightblade
05-05-2008, 23:38
Ill join now that I have Internet back
seireikhaan
05-06-2008, 02:58
Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=100679) is a game that was recently played with a similar number of players to this one. It should give you a basic idea of what mafia is like. If you go to the end of the thread you will find links to the various behind the scenes discussions. (note: Andres' game looks like it is a little less complicated)
I hope its less complicated...:sweatdrop:
I probably would've damaged my own brain cells if I'd played my game instead of hosting it.
BananaBob
05-06-2008, 03:03
in!
Tratorix
05-06-2008, 05:35
In. :balloon2:
Need only 5 more players.
Game will start when we reach 40, so start recruiting :whip: I would like to start the game tomorrow.
Privateerkev
05-06-2008, 20:09
I've always wanted to try one of these out.
And I prefer my cookies to be choclate chip and put in the microwave for a bout 15 seconds so they get soft. :2thumbsup:
Welcome to the Gameroom good sir :bow:
:chef: Ding! Microwaved cookies are ready!
Privateerkev
05-06-2008, 20:43
Ah thank you!
The Throne Room is a little slow right now as we wait for the KotR successor to start. Figured I'd find something else to spend my free-time on. :D
Just please make sure you don't leave the cookies in the microwave for too long. They get too hard and crunchy... :P
Hi thx for the links woad&fangs and Caius
but must i download this game or log in somme where ???or just waith till i get a message? cane i practice it ? i am sorry for so much questions but i never played this before and never heard of it honestly
The game is played in this thread. We are just waiting for Andres to start it.
The only thing that might help you is reading old games, which are all in this forum.
The Throne Room is a little slow right now as we wait for the KotR successor to start. Figured I'd find something else to spend my free-time on. :D
These games are fun. I've only played two so far, but I've enjoyed them both immensely.
Privateerkev
05-07-2008, 00:02
These games are fun. I've only played two so far, but I've enjoyed them both immensely.
Yeah, seeing you, GH, and NN in this one definitely added to the appeal. :yes:
Right now I'm trying to read the whole Netherworld thread so I at least have some idea of what I am doing. :clown:
KukriKhan
05-07-2008, 13:31
Hi thx for the links woad&fangs and Caius
but must i download this game or log in somme where ???or just waith till i get a message? cane i practice it ? i am sorry for so much questions but i never played this before and never heard of it honestly
Step 1: Cast suspicion
Step 2: Avoid suspicion
Step 3: Kill the other side
Step 4: Avoid getting killed
Lather, rinse, repeat, until you're among the last men standing on the winning side. That's about it, I think.
--edit to add --:
There's nothing to download. There are no graphics. It's a text-based, story-telling, role playing game. Andres (the host) will send you your role by PM. You won't know the other players' roles. Your job will be:
1. Guess the other players' roles
2. Figure out who is your "friend" and who is your "enemy".
3. Help your friends, and kill your enemies. Don't get killed yourself.
Proletariat
05-07-2008, 14:48
I tried, but can no longer resist. In!
I tried, but can no longer resist. In!
Feel the power of the Dark Side...
Muaahahaha!
:devil:
Sign ups will be closed soon...
If you still wanna join, make sure you do so within 30 minutes.
Privateerkev
05-07-2008, 21:02
*sees that 30 minutes are up so waits for something to happen*
*can't see mod anywhere*
*not sure if he heard anything at all because he never actually sees who is talking*
*figures he is just thinking about this way too hard and continues to eat a cookie*
*it is delicious*
Day Zero
...Please don't panic and go to sleep now."
Pino di Luca watched the group of villagers leaving the theatre.
When the theatre was empty, he cursed. "Don't panic! Hah! What else could I tell them? If only they knew..."
With a bad feeling, he went to what's left of the Carabinieri building...
***
SIGN UPS ARE CLOSED !
Role pm's going out soon.
The game will start with a NIGHT PHASE, which will last for approximately 24 hours (might be a bit longer, might be late back home tomorrow).
First post has been updated, so please read carefully (especially the part about quoting/dead players/pm's).
Townie pm is publicly available, to avoid circumvention of the rules:
Townie
You are one of the surviving tourists/villagers of Taormina.
During the day, you have to vote for the person you think is guilty. The person with the most votes, will be lynched.
When all mafioso and other bad guys are lynched or killed, you win the game.
Good luck :2thumbsup:
Andres.
Day Zero conclusion:
Alive (38)
shlin28
Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief
Omanes
makaikhaan
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh
Killed (0)
Lynched (0)
WoG'ed (0)
It's night. Those having a special role can send me their pm's from the moment they receive their pm.
Good luck all and most importantly: HAVE FUN !
GeneralHankerchief
05-07-2008, 23:06
The phrase "sign-up phase" in the title is quite confusing.
-edit- Ahh, results. :grin:
The phrase "sign-up phase" in the title is quite confusing.
It's gone.
Privateerkev
05-07-2008, 23:12
Alright I guess I'll get us started off.
Hello everyone.
My name is Kevin and I am an alcoholic.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-07-2008, 23:16
The phrase "sign up HERE" in Andres's sig is quite confusing.
Privateerkev
05-07-2008, 23:18
The phrase "sign up HERE" in Andres's sig is quite confusing.
As well as all of the sign-up posts that litter the board...
Bunch of nitpickers :mean:
*** gets out lightning bolts for first WoG's ***
Privateerkev
05-07-2008, 23:21
Bunch of nitpickers :mean:
*** gets out lightning bolts for first WoG's ***
o_O
:hide:
LittleGrizzly
05-08-2008, 00:45
Im here, suspecting everyone and not nitpicking....
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 00:59
Alright, I want to see if I have something straight.
If I look at someone's profile, and their light bulb is not lit, and they have no "Last Activity:" status showing, then they are invisible?
If that's the case at least half of the game is lurking right now.
I don't trust invisible people...
FoS: Invisible people
GeneralHankerchief
05-08-2008, 01:02
It's required in some games. Used as a precaution after profile-watchers caught people PMing in previous games and nailed the mafiosi that way.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 01:06
It's required in some games. Used as a precaution after profile-watchers caught people PMing in previous games and nailed the mafiosi that way.
I'm amused that some think there is only one possible reason to PM. Those of us in the throne room games PM each other regularly. :yes:
pevergreen
05-08-2008, 01:40
Or general questions, or mods etc.
It shouldnt be used anymore.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 01:59
I'm amused that some think there is only one possible reason to PM. Those of us in the throne room games PM each other regularly. :yes:
But do you have a reason to exchange pm's with another player in the game and then send a pm to the mod who then posts the night kills? It's possible to see an exchange by watching several profiles at once.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 02:02
But do you have a reason to exchange pm's with another player in the game and then send a pm to the mod who then posts the night kills? It's possible to see an exchange by watching several profiles at once.
Well there are a lot of KotR players in the gameroom so if a Mafia game was run by GH, gibson, EF, ect.. then yeah I could see it happening and having nothing to do with Mafia.
A lot of us PM constantly for RolePlaying reasons. It's why KotR players were allowed to get an expanded PM limit. :yes:
KukriKhan
05-08-2008, 02:17
Two female roles (Juliette & Prostitute). Two female players (Makanyane & Proletariet). Hmmm...
Nah, he used random.org. So some guys are probably playing the prostitute and the secret agent.
Just making idle conversation.
Guess I'd better "go invisible".
Twilightblade
05-08-2008, 02:19
Alright, I want to see if I have something straight.
If I look at someone's profile, and their light bulb is not lit, and they have no "Last Activity:" status showing, then they are invisible?
If that's the case at least half of the game is lurking right now.
I don't trust invisible people...
FoS: Invisible people
Ahhhh yes I forgot I had it on
I was using it for the Castle 2 which will be back
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 02:58
Look guys. We just had a volcanic eruption. How are we going to know who survived the natural disaster if everyone is see-through?
:clown:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 03:18
I shall put forth the theory that privateerkev wants people to turn off invisibility mode so that he can watch for the detective pm'ing andres. Another part of the theory is that he is putting forward his "as a KotR player it is useless to watch my profile" to provide himself with an alibi if people see him sending his kill order pm's to the game host.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-08-2008, 03:19
Look guys. We just had a volcanic eruption. How are we going to know who survived the natural disaster if everyone is see-through?
:laugh4: You have a point! But deception is part and parcel of mafia games in my (limited) experiance. Learn to live with rather than going on a righteous Crusade. Otherwise, as Sasaki has pointed out, you could draw unwanted attention to yourself, from both sides.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 03:25
I shall put forth the theory that privateerkev wants people to turn off invisibility mode so that he can watch for the detective pm'ing andres.
But if people PM for all sorts of reasons, that wouldn't be very useful to someone who is "PM hunting".
Another part of the theory is that he is putting forward his "as a KotR player it is useless to watch my profile" to provide himself with an alibi if people see him sending his kill order pm's to the game host.
If the only evidence people have against me is the fact that I PM people, then I will laugh to the gallows. :D
No, my real issue is with invisible wraiths talking after volcanic events. It makes me nervous. Maybe they came from the ground itself. Kind of spooky.
It is duly noted though that Sasaki is already trying to build a case against a brand new player who's only crime so far is being curious and fearing volcanic wraiths.
I will be watching you...
That is... if I could see you... :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 03:36
It is duly noted though that Sasaki is already trying to build a case against a brand new player who's only crime so far is being curious and fearing volcanic wraiths.
What evidence do you have of that?
I see you've all met PK. This should be an interesting game. :laugh4:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-08-2008, 03:43
Don't answer! Its a trap! :laugh4:
I think he may be toying with you, but at the same time keeping an eye on what you say and how you react, and writing it all down in his notebook so he can use it against you later...
...then again, with Sasaki who knows?
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 03:48
What evidence do you have of that?
of volcanic wraiths or that your building a case against me?
as for wraiths, I have very little right now. Just half of the people in this town are floating around after a massive volcanic explosion. Kind of suspicious to me...
as for you building a case, you said you have two theories against me. One of your theories is that I have some sort of plot to watch you PM people. The other theory is that I want to cover my own PM activities.
Both are absurd because PM'ing is done for all sorts of reasons. I read the post about the program that watched people PM each other and laughed. The fact that you guys get so paranoid that you try to do a "deep reading" of every possible intersection a human makes on an internet bulletin board simply amuses me.
The fact that human beings can float around invisible after a volcanic eruption should be more of a cause for concern than anyone's PM habits.
Basically, I'm bored and I'm new so I like to get in and mix it up a little. :beam:
We're playing a game where we are all supposed to find out who we can trust. But how can I trust people I can't see?
Also, if you fear "PM hunters", can't you just do quicktopic, email, or IM's? Why be a volcanic wraith? If you can answer me that, it might put my mind a little at ease...
seireikhaan
05-08-2008, 04:03
Wow...
WIFOM galore! WIFOM for all!
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 04:11
Wow...
WIFOM galore! WIFOM for all!
Maybe if I can make people think I really don't want to watch them PM then they will drop invisibility and then PM but they will probably know I am watching so they will just leave their PM menu open when they sleep but since it is open at some point in the night they will probably get up and send a PM anyways and then I will have them but they will remember I am watching so it won't be an important PM but maybe they will realize that no one can watch them 24/7 so maybe they will let an important one slip and from that one slip I can then divine the inner secrets to the entire game and win big and get more chocolate chip cookies that have been microwaved for a little bit but not too long.
Anyways, I'm going to bed. Now I don't want any of you volcanic wraiths to follow me into the bedroom. That would just be creepy. Hopefully my cat will warn me if a wraith is around. She's a crappy hunter but good at warning me of things.
For your profile watching entertainment, I will open up a PM and then shut the monitor off. You may divine what you wish from an 8 hour PM writing session. :clown:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 04:14
as for you building a case, you said you have two theories against me. One of your theories is that I have some sort of plot to watch you PM people. The other theory is that I want to cover my own PM activities.
This is a lie.
Both are absurd because PM'ing is done for all sorts of reasons. I read the post about the program that watched people PM each other and laughed. The fact that you guys get so paranoid that you try to do a "deep reading" of every possible intersection a human makes on an internet bulletin board simply amuses me.
It's tried and tested.
We're playing a game where we are all supposed to find out who we can trust. But how can I trust people I can't see?
Because you can hear me ~:)
Also, if you fear "PM hunters", can't you just do quicktopic, email, or IM's? Why be a volcanic wraith? If you can answer me that, it might put my mind a little at ease...
Where did you hear about quicktopic?
Sarathos
05-08-2008, 04:38
So, I hear Privateerkev is mafia ...
BananaBob
05-08-2008, 05:29
So, I hear Privateerkev is mafia ...
:laugh4:
pevergreen
05-08-2008, 05:45
So, I hear Privateerkev is mafia ...
So I hear Sarathos lurvz mudkipz.
Also, skeletor.
I saw Sarathos eating a spicy meat-a ball, he's mafia.
I'm ordering pizza anyone want some?
Crazed Rabbit
05-08-2008, 06:10
Curses! I am doomed not to live as an interesting person in this interesting time.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 06:17
Curses! I am doomed not to live as an interesting person in this interesting time.
CR
I believe you :2thumbsup:
pevergreen
05-08-2008, 08:04
So you are an interesting person, aka mafia, but you are doomed to die?
Random Vote: Pevergeen in revenge for preschool mafia >_>.
It's night, so you can't vote.
Privateerkev, are you trying to say that you cannot figure out how to put on invisible mode?
In your UserCP, go to "Edit options" (or follow this link (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/profile.php?do=editoptions)) and check the box next to "Use Invisible Mode".
:bow:
Sarathos
05-08-2008, 08:48
I'm ordering pizza anyone want some?
Me!
Beefy187
05-08-2008, 09:56
:wall: I cant install EB bug fixes... Sucks living in school..
Im soo voting Sarathos because its all your fault :clown:
Okay guys, will this computer run M2TW at maximum settings?
Core4 ThetaAlphaPrime 800.000*5Hz
400*5MB RAM in 400-channel mode
AMD Radeon MXVI1000 128kb DDR9
I don't want to derive the thread but I also never used invisible mode, not even when requested, and neither did I look at people's profiles for hours to find out what they're doing.
Mithrandir
05-08-2008, 11:05
vote: Andres
vote: Andres
There's that spambot again... :inquisitive:
~;p
You can't vote me. I'm the host, not a player. Well, technically speaking, you can vote me or what-/whoever you want, but if it ain't a player the vote will be counted as an abstain.
Mithrandir
05-08-2008, 11:58
You can't vote me.
That's what they all say...
vote: Andres
~;)
Anyway, has the game already started? Should we vote for who killed rene?
That's what they all say...
vote: Andres
~;)
Anyway, has the game already started? Should we vote for who killed rene?
The game starts with a night phase. Results will be posted at +/- 22h00 tonight (GMT +2). First day will start then and will last for +/- 24 hours. During that period you can vote. Person with the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched.
Additional rules in first post of this thread.
:bow:
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 13:00
This is a lie.
Prove that I intentionally told a falsehood. It is in your own posts. Unless you are claiming that it is you who lied.
It's tried and tested.
And from Kommodus's own admission, it is faulty. You fear a faulty tool. It can only work if those are the only PM's you ever send.
Because you can hear me ~:)
True but you have yet to give me a reason to trust you. It's kind of freaky to hear from a shimmer in the air. Surely you can concede that point.
Where did you hear about quicktopic?
a.) we use it in KotR.
b.) I read in Netherworld that gameroom players use it.
Why? Does possession of basic internet knowledge automatically seem guilty to you. :laugh4:
So, I hear Privateerkev is mafia ...
From who? The shimmering wraith who fears internet knowledge possessed by others? Perhaps it is you I should be watching...
Privateerkev, are you trying to say that you cannot figure out how to put on invisible mode?
No I know how. I'm just messing with those who do use it and one took the bait... ;)
It's how I amuse myself when the game is going slow.
OOC: This is all IC people. I could care less what your profile is set at. It just seemed like a good way to get conversation going. :D
Seamus Fermanagh
05-08-2008, 13:01
Welcome Privateer!
Did you read the motto over the Gameroom entrance? It starts "Abandon hope...."
:evilgrin:
And, I see you've had a chance to meet Kojiro-san....
:yes:
:laugh4:
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 13:23
Welcome Privateer!
Did you read the motto over the Gameroom entrance? It starts "Abandon hope...."
:evilgrin:
And, I see you've had a chance to meet Kojiro-san....
:yes:
:laugh4:
Thank you! :bow:
From posts and pm's I have received, I seem to have already made an impression. It seems to be a gift. Or a curse, depending on how you look at it... :clown:
From posts and pm's I have received, I seem to have already made an impression. It seems to be a gift. Or a curse, depending on how you look at it... :clown:
Anyone who talks a lot in these games makes an impression. The more people talk, the more evidence the other players feel they have to make a judgment call on them. Not talking much at all for multiple lynch sessions is a decent reason to ramp up pressure on someone. At the same time, talking too much isn't useful if you have nothing useful to say. If you're townie, your higher profile only gives the mafia something to hide behind. If you're mafia, you just make people concentrate more attention on you. There's a happy-medium in there somewhere that is very difficult to reach, plus there are always exceptions to any strategy.
I find true WIFOMs to be few and far between. In my opinion, almost all WIFOMish statements are made unintentionally, and it's pretty easy to spot them. For the vast majority of ambiguous statements, Occam's Razor trumps WIFOM. At least, that's my take on it.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 13:43
Anyone who talks a lot in these games makes an impression. The more people talk, the more evidence the other players feel they have to make a judgment call on them. Not talking much at all for multiple lynch sessions is a decent reason to ramp up pressure on someone. At the same time, talking too much isn't useful if you have nothing useful to say. If you're townie, your higher profile only gives the mafia something to hide behind. If you're mafia, you just make people concentrate more attention on you. There's a happy-medium in there somewhere that is very difficult to reach, plus there are always exceptions to any strategy.
Very true. From reading Netherworld, I have come to following conclusions.
1.) Talking looks suspicious.
2.) Not talking looks suspicious.
3.) Talking a lot looks suspicious.
4.) Talking a little looks suspicious.
5.) Making jokes looks suspicious.
6.) Being serious looks suspicious.
7.) Breathing looks suspicious.
8.) Even being dead looks suspicious.
From all of this I have concluded that anything I do will look suspicious to at least one person. But your point about giving mafia something to hide behind has been well taken. I will step back and watch the game veterans. And learn...
pevergreen
05-08-2008, 13:44
NO U.
I win the argument.
PK, Sarathos took a phrase, and modified it from "So, i herd u liek mudkipz" to his current thing. Fear not, he was punished. (see my above post)
Watch out for Kommodus, he knows us better than we know ourselves. I really want to know what makes me look like mafia.
Watch out for Kommodus, he knows us better than we know ourselves. I really want to know what makes me look like mafia.
You're obviously guilty. Give it up already.
KukriKhan
05-08-2008, 14:51
I will step back and watch the game veterans. And learn...
Sasaki Kojiro is the guy to watch. He doesn't always win, but he's an expert at the game's mechanics, and a fair judge/manipulator of "social engineering". He dosen't go for the big theatrical moves, rather he plants seeds of doubt and/or trust here and there, to see what grows.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 14:58
Prove that I intentionally told a falsehood. It is in your own posts. Unless you are claiming that it is you who lied.
You said that I "had two theories about you" when in reality I put two theories forth about you.
And from Kommodus's own admission, it is faulty. You fear a faulty tool. It can only work if those are the only PM's you ever send.
Being faulty makes it more dangerous for innocent people and less dangerous from mafia. You imply that being faulty makes it less dangerous. I wonder why.
True but you have yet to give me a reason to trust you. It's kind of freaky to hear from a shimmer in the air. Surely you can concede that point.
Never.
a.) we use it in KotR.
b.) I read in Netherworld that gameroom players use it.
Why? Does possession of basic internet knowledge automatically seem guilty to you. :laugh4:
This post edges on slanderous, another mafia tactic.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 15:00
Anyone who talks a lot in these games makes an impression. The more people talk, the more evidence the other players feel they have to make a judgment call on them. Not talking much at all for multiple lynch sessions is a decent reason to ramp up pressure on someone. At the same time, talking too much isn't useful if you have nothing useful to say. If you're townie, your higher profile only gives the mafia something to hide behind. If you're mafia, you just make people concentrate more attention on you. There's a happy-medium in there somewhere that is very difficult to reach, plus there are always exceptions to any strategy.
I disagree. It only gives the mafia something to hide behind if there are enough lazy people who don't read the thread closely for the mafioso's machinations to go unnoticed.
I find true WIFOMs to be few and far between. In my opinion, almost all WIFOMish statements are made unintentionally, and it's pretty easy to spot them. For the vast majority of ambiguous statements, Occam's Razor trumps WIFOM. At least, that's my take on it.
True wifom is 50/50 of course.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 15:03
You said that I "had two theories about you" when in reality I put two theories forth about you.
I see that as a distinction without a difference.
Being faulty makes it more dangerous for innocent people and less dangerous from mafia. You imply that being faulty makes it less dangerous. I wonder why.
It is a mixture of OOC curiousity and IC desire to not be lynched for PM'ing my throne room colleueges.
Never.
never say never
This post edges on slanderous, another mafia tactic.
Your post edges on slanderous. And a very good player has said on this board that, that is another mafia tactic.
Done? Or do you want to keep going?
*tries to stare at the wraith but can't focus on the shimmering*
I disagree. It only gives the mafia something to hide behind if there are enough lazy people who don't read the thread closely for the mafioso's machinations to go unnoticed.
As I said, there are exceptions to every strategy. Being in the limelight generally increases your risk of getting lynched/whacked, especially if you're speaking without a purpose or plan. However, it's very possible to intentionally grab center stage, as it is an effective place from which to manipulate others. Plus, even dying isn't a bad thing, if it helps your side win.
These games are very interesting studies in psychology and game theory. It may sound a bit absurd, but I think an in-depth study of a few mafia games would actually make for a good thesis for a psych major.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 15:21
I think I'm warmed up. Hopefully we have set the tone for discourse a little higher than the usual first round "hmm nothing to go on yet lol vote:abstain see you next round".
These games are very interesting studies in psychology and game theory. It may sound a bit absurd, but I think an in-depth study of a few mafia games would actually make for a good thesis for a psych major.
I swear after playing a bunch of mafia I now see through movie villains plots quicker than I used too. Their lies can be so obvious!
Seamus Fermanagh
05-08-2008, 17:31
I think I'm warmed up. Hopefully we have set the tone for discourse a little higher than the usual first round "hmm nothing to go on yet lol vote:abstain see you next round".
These games are very interesting studies in psychology and game theory. It may sound a bit absurd, but I think an in-depth study of a few mafia games would actually make for a good thesis for a psych major.
I swear after playing a bunch of mafia I now see through movie villains plots quicker than I used too. Their lies can be so obvious!
Already editing your posts in this thread Sasaki? Carefully grooming the record of early posts to shape a particular interpretation? Just what form of "higher tone" are you trying to inculcate?
I will ponder....
Already editing your posts in this thread Sasaki? Carefully grooming the record of early posts to shape a particular interpretation? Just what form of "higher tone" are you trying to inculcate?
I will ponder....
What have we here... someone turning a completely generic conversation on the general nature of mafia games into a reason for suspicion.
ToS: Seamus
Toe of Suspicion isn't quite as powerful as a Finger of Suspicion, but it definitely looks a bit odd and has a funky odor. Very appropriate for these early round accusations.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 17:56
Already editing your posts in this thread Sasaki? Carefully grooming the record of early posts to shape a particular interpretation? Just what form of "higher tone" are you trying to inculcate?
I will ponder....
In the interest of full disclosure, here is the post pre-edit:
I think I'm warmed up. Hopefully we have set the tone for discourse a little higher than the usual first round "hmm nothing to go on yet lol vote:abstain see you next round".
These games are very interesting studies in psychology and game theory. It may sound a bit absurd, but I think an in-depth study of a few mafia games would actually make for a good thesis for a psych major.
I swear after playing a bunch of mafia I now see through movie villains plots quicker than I used too. Their lies can be so obvious!
Also, I'm a mafioso. Ooops, better edit this! :quiet:
post pre-edit:
That confused me a bit at first. :laugh4:
Also Vote: Abstain, nothing to go on yet, lol.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-08-2008, 18:31
So, Sasaki-san, you edited out the "joke" that just happens to be classic WIFOM stuff. Surely you did this just to keep things "clear and understandable..."
:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 18:39
So, Sasaki-san, you edited out the "joke" that just happens to be classic WIFOM stuff. Surely you did this just to keep things "clear and understandable..."
:inquisitive:
If you can't take the mountain out of the jungle, the jungle must go to the mountain.
GeneralHankerchief
05-08-2008, 18:39
Occam's Razor is subjective.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 18:40
Occam's Razor is subjective.
Subjectivity is objective.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 18:43
Subjectivity is objective.
But what if true objectivity is impossible?
Yaropolk
05-08-2008, 18:45
Yes and theory and practice are same...in theory.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 18:47
then if objectivity is illusory, and subjectivety is objective, then does that mean sujectivety is illusory?
But wouldn't that mean Occam's Razor is illusory if we continue this line of reasoning? :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 18:50
Dare I contend that illusion itself is illusory?
Aye, illusion is reality.
Objectivity is illusory.
Reality is an illusion.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 18:52
I still believe that there is a "pure" reality but I'll never be able to perceive it. Therefore, I have "faith" that there is "pure" reality. Ironic given my opinion on religion...
:freak:
is dat some paradox?
But what if true objectivity is impossible?
Its impossible.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 19:38
I agree but many of my colleauges in grad-school remain unconvinced... :wall:
Night 1 - Conclusion.
Seamus Fermanagh was tired.
He arrived in Taormina earlier that day, after a last minute flight. For some reason, he just couldn't resist the constant advertising about splendid holidays and interesting women in Taormina.
That strange travel agent guy promised him sun, beaches, stunning women, culture... He just kept on talking, talking, talking, trying to convinve him. Just to get rid of the guy, Seamus had bought the last minute tickets.
Right now, only a couple of hours later, he was happy to be alive...
Tired. That was the most fitting description for poor ol' Seamus.
The exhaustion caused random thoughts, like "The subjective illusion cannot be objective, therfore, it must be an impossible theory, at least in practice."
"Oh boy, time to go to sleep", Seamus thought.
For some reason, the hotel he was staying in, wasn't damaged by the eruption. He went to his room and fell asleep even before his head touched the pillow.
Later that night, a well dressed man entered Seamus room. he took his pillow and choked him to dead.
The experienced killer took his sharp stiletto and stabbed it through the soft bit at the back of Seamus' head, just for good measure.
--------
That night, in another hotel, some people couldn't sleep because of the screams coming from a locked room.
A man was heard screaming : "Yes! A breast prothesis! My ultimate fantasy!"
A woman spoke, her voice the sound of angels singing in heaven : "Hihihi, naughty boy, now stand still why I tie you up and hit you with a wooden bar!"
The sounds of ultimate pleasure and passion continued for several hours.
Somebody must have had a pleasant night...
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https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/TeatroGrecoTaormina.jpg
Day 1
Theatro Greco, 7 a.m.
Pino di Luca stared at the remaining people of Taormina.
"Ladies and gentlemen," he said, an uneasy look on his face, "I have a confession to make. Yesterday I told you not to worry. I lied. There are some dangerous people among us. And they seem to be active. This morning, I found the body of Mister Seamus Fermanagh, an American tourist. He visited our lovely town, seduced by some smooth talker, but alas, the poor man died in his bed tonight, killed by what seems to be an experienced killer. My worst fear has become true: the evil mafiosi who were hiding in this town, survived the eruption. Their identity is unknown. To fight the threat, we will lynch one person each day. We will gather and discuss and eventually we will vote. The person with the most votes at the end of the day, will be lynched. Let's hope we find those mafia scumbags soon!"
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Alive (37)
shlin28
Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief
Omanes
makaikhaan
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Killed (1)
Seamus Fermanagh
Lynched (0)
WoG'ed (0)
It's day. You can start voting. Day will last for 24 hours and will end tomorrow at +/- 22h00 (GMT +2).
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 21:25
Vote:Proletariat
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 21:28
why? do you have any evidence?
Makanyane
05-08-2008, 21:28
Vote:Proletariat
why?
GeneralHankerchief
05-08-2008, 21:29
Good for us.
Vote: 00jebus
Haven't seen you around before.
The Stranger
05-08-2008, 21:31
woot still alive :) and now also present...
anything happened?
vote:abstain for now..
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 21:31
Good for us.
how?
Haven't seen you around before.
And that is pertinent because?
Vote: Gaius Sribonius Curio
Long names need to be disposed of early, lest we waste valuable seconds typing them later in the game.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 21:33
*is confused by the flurry of voting with no evidence*
GeneralHankerchief
05-08-2008, 21:34
Because Seamus, always a good contributor, is a proven innocent.
Vote Abstain
I will vote tomorrow when we got a target.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 21:37
Because Seamus, always a good contributor, is a proven innocent.
Why would you be happy that a townie is dead?
o_O
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 21:38
^^bad shlin!
*is confused by the flurry of voting with no evidence*
Confucius say, where does kev expect evidence to come from?
woad&fangs
05-08-2008, 21:39
Vote: Shlin28
So you're going to wait for someone bandwagon before you vote :wink:
I'm on to you there Shlinnyboy.
How many kills does the mafia get each night?
Why would you be happy that a townie is dead?
o_O
Because they can still contribute with analysis of the thread. Since Seamus was a confirmed townie, his death makes everything he says far more credible, since we don't have to worry about whether he's lying or not.
Vote: Shlin28
So you're going to wait for someone bandwagon before you vote :wink:
I'm on to you there Shlinnyboy.
And why shouldn't I? You do know that I always vote abstain on the first round right? :inquisitive:
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 21:42
Because they can still contribute with analysis of the thread. Since Seamus was a confirmed townie, his death makes everything he says far more credible, since we don't have to worry about whether he's lying or not.
Ok, I guess that makes sense.
Confucius say, where does kev expect evidence to come from?
I don't know. But random voting is probably more likely to decrease townie numbers than to actually nail who killed Seamus.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 21:44
One would expect 2-3.
I think it is best to reveal that I was blocked by the prostitute last night. This looks bad for me given the low number of kills by I think it is better than having the prostitute claim.
In my defence I should mention that given the fact that the mafia appear innocent if they don't kill it seems to me that someone (or two) was worried about being investigated night one.
GeneralHankerchief
05-08-2008, 21:46
A reading from the book of Sasaki; Chapter 4, Line 23:
...take it away.
-edit- Of course.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 21:46
Because they can still contribute with analysis of the thread. Since Seamus was a confirmed townie, his death makes everything he says far more credible, since we don't have to worry about whether he's lying or not.
Can we take Seamus as confirmed town? I think we can from the description, since it doesn't seem likely mafia would be lured to the town by travel agents. But it should be left a bit open.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 21:47
I think it is best to reveal that I was blocked by the prostitute last night. This looks bad for me given the low number of kills by I think it is better than having the prostitute claim.
so your the one that was screaming "Yes! A breast prothesis! My ultimate fantasy!"
:laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 21:49
I don't know. But random voting is probably more likely to decrease townie numbers than to actually nail who killed Seamus.
no no no! :sweatdrop:
The only way to kill mafia is by lynching. It's the towns only weapon. Random votes turn into discussion eventually.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 21:50
so your the one that was screaming "Yes! A breast prothesis! My ultimate fantasy!"
:laugh4:
Andres ~:angry:
:laugh4:
Ya'll are just jealous:
https://img517.imageshack.us/img517/882/titlekow4if4.jpg
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 21:52
no no no! :sweatdrop:
The only way to kill mafia is by lynching. It's the towns only weapon. Random votes turn into discussion eventually.
But if we lynch a townie, isn't that bad? Wouldn't abstaining be better until we have a target? Otherwise we dilute our own numbers...
Andres ~:angry:
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/onschuldigfluiten.gif
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 21:58
But if we lynch a townie, isn't that bad? Wouldn't abstaining be better until we have a target? Otherwise we dilute our own numbers...
We will never get a better target by sitting around. And our odds will never be good.
With 37 alive we have a 3/37 chance. If we lynch a townie then tomorrow we'll have a 3/35 chance. If we wait two days without lynching anyone then we also have a 3/35 chance, however we missed out on 3/37 chance completely.
woad&fangs
05-08-2008, 22:01
We have to lynch a person every day. Blame the mayor for this stupid system of law enforcement.
Shlin28, abstaining doesn't help the town and it prevents us from analyzing you.
Remember, if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Anges_et_d%E9mons/0006.gif
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 22:01
We will never get a better target by sitting around. And our odds will never be good.
With 37 alive we have a 3/37 chance. If we lynch a townie then tomorrow we'll have a 3/35 chance. If we wait two days without lynching anyone then we also have a 3/35 chance, however we missed out on 3/37 chance completely.
"the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one."
Ok, I see where your coming from.
I still feel weird lynching someone with no evidence though. o_O
"the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one."
Ok, I see where your coming from.
I still feel weird lynching someone with no evidence though. o_O
Evidence is hard to come by, but if you've got some I'm sure everyone would love to see it.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 22:24
Evidence is hard to come by, but if you've got some I'm sure everyone would love to see it.
I wish I had some. I am suspicious of the fact that Sasaki was with a prostitute and there was only one kill last night. But there are a few reasons that could be the case. One of the mafia could have been laying low like Sasaki said. Or one of them simply never submitted their orders.
At best, it might warrant an FoS towards Sasaki but I don't feel it warrants a vote.
At best, it might warrant an FoS towards Sasaki but I don't feel it warrants a vote.
Why not a vote?
seireikhaan
05-08-2008, 22:35
Vote: Strawberry
Vote: Proletariat
Well, call it a feeling, or don't, or maybe do, but perhaps it's better not to, then again maybe you should...
One would expect 2-3.
I think it is best to reveal that I was blocked by the prostitute last night. This looks bad for me given the low number of kills by I think it is better than having the prostitute claim.
In my defence I should mention that given the fact that the mafia appear innocent if they don't kill it seems to me that someone (or two) was worried about being investigated night one.
Please explain this a bit more. At first blush, you appear to be saying that you gave night orders and were blocked. If you want your statements to be read in a different way, you should say so now.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 22:40
Why not a vote?
Because Sasaki could just be an innocent man who sleeps with prostitutes. Thats not a crime is it?
There are other possible reasons for there only being one kill last night. It could have nothing to do with Sasaki at all. It is suspicious though but I want more to go on.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 22:50
Please explain this a bit more. At first blush, you appear to be saying that you gave night orders and were blocked. If you want your statements to be read in a different way, you should say so now.
You don't have to have given night orders to have been blocked.
You were watching television that night, feeling a bit bored.
The smell of perfume caught your attention.
A voice, the sound of an angel, said to you: "Shall I make your night a bit more interesting?"
Angelica came near. She was H-O-T.
You didn't mind getting forced to wear a borst prothesis, getting tied up and hit with a wooden bar.
Angelica was amazed by your stamina.
You had a very pleasant night.
Andres.
Having read it more carefully (I skipped to the hot stuff the first time :sweatdrop: ) it actually states that I was not doing anything.
Can someone with experience in Andres' games confirm that he sends night results PMs to people who were role blocked, even if they were incapable of performing night actions in the first place? My understanding of these games is that usually such a situation results in no result PM for the target, but I have also never been in a game Andres has hosted.
Privateerkev
05-08-2008, 22:55
Ok, I'll amend my previous statement...
"Because Sasaki could just be an innocent man who likes to be beaten by prostitutes."
:laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 22:59
Can someone with experience in Andres' games confirm that he sends night results PMs to people who were role blocked, even if they were incapable of performing night actions in the first place? My understanding of these games is that usually such a situation results in no result PM for the target, but I have also never been in a game Andres has hosted.
Now TinCow, if I'd made it up I'd be lynched tomorrow when no one received a message.
GeneralHankerchief
05-08-2008, 23:01
I don't like this.
Now TinCow, if I'd made it up I'd be lynched tomorrow when no one received a message.
I haven't busted out a FoS on you, I'm simply trying to get more information. What exactly did you expect to happen when you come out with the first evidence of any kind?
Vote: Strawberry
:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
05-08-2008, 23:21
I haven't busted out a FoS on you, I'm simply trying to get more information. What exactly did you expect to happen when you come out with the first evidence of any kind?
I'm not a fan of they way you are approaching it. You imply without stating, first that I said I tried to perform a night action, and then that I had forged a pm. You don't claim that either is true but you know perfectly well that it's not necessary. Your post is absent of your own opinion, townies should post their opinion. It is easy for mafia to hide behind logical "information gathering" without exposing themself. As for my own opinion on your innocence, you've caught my attention but I'm mostly trying to start up discussion.
My opinion is that you are perfectly innocent and telling the truth. That doesn't change the fact that I would like to see this substantiated by the exceedingly simple method that I requested.
Mithrandir
05-08-2008, 23:33
Vote: Andres
A lot of reading in these games...hope I don't get addicted or my social life will really suffer.
Proletariat
05-08-2008, 23:49
Hrm. An unusually interesting first round. I don't understand the point of blocking actions that don't happen. In basketball you can't block a shot when no one shoots, so it'll be interesting to see what the point of this game mechanic is. Or if Sasaki just made it up for some reason.
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 00:03
Hrm. An unusually interesting first round. I don't understand the point of blocking actions that don't happen. In basketball you can't block a shot when no one shoots, so it'll be interesting to see what the point of this game mechanic is. Or if Sasaki just made it up for some reason.
On the first turn, the player who is the prostitute wouldn't know who to block and would have to guess.
Your a veteran and should know better...
My opinion is that you are perfectly innocent and telling the truth. That doesn't change the fact that I would like to see this substantiated by the exceedingly simple method that I requested.
If you think someone is "perfectly" innocent, then you wouldn't need evidence.
Both of you are getting an official Raised EyeBrow from me.
A REB is simply a sign that I am keeping a watchful eye on you.
And for those at home keeping score, Sasaki has a REB from me as well for things already mentioned.
Beefy187
05-09-2008, 00:22
Vote: Sarathos
I luv u:beam:
pevergreen
05-09-2008, 00:31
Vote: PK
Whats wrong with voting? Its round one.
Methinks you are scared you will be found out as mafia.
edit: bolded vote
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 00:33
Whats wrong with voting? Its round one.
Methinks you are scared you will be found out as mafia.
Nothing is wrong with voting if you think you have the right person.
You however have the wrong person.
Good luck with that...
:laugh4:
pevergreen
05-09-2008, 00:40
Its round one, ergo, random votes.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-09-2008, 00:42
If you think someone is "perfectly" innocent, then you wouldn't need evidence.
No. Precision is important here. He said he would "like to see evidence" not "need". You can think someone is "perfectly innocent", heck you can even believe they are, but since you know you are not infallible it is common sense to want evidence. I didn't think the evidence was necessary as I explained.
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 00:42
Its round one, ergo, random votes.
I'm still getting the hang of this whole random vote thing. What should I do? Put everyone's name on a wheel and spin it? :clown:
Crazed Rabbit
05-09-2008, 00:44
If you can't take the mountain out of the jungle, the jungle must go to the mountain.
Hilarious!
And on that note,
vote: GeneralHankerchief
I've seen your whilings and connivings and I won't stand for you to ruin this recently catastrophically devastated town.
CR
Tiberius of the Drake
05-09-2008, 01:20
random vote
Vote:Beefy187
LittleGrizzly
05-09-2008, 01:35
I really can't do this random voting thing... ill have to go for Vote Sasaki
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-09-2008, 01:37
Vote:Shlin
Whose target are you going to accept? Just randomly bandwagon? You must have an opinion, care to share?
Seems to be a fair bit of discussion for day1!
Tincow, ever heard of nicknames? Curio will do! :no:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-09-2008, 02:29
Vote: Sarathos
Please spare my Carebear,Grumpy Bear!!:clown: :sweatdrop:
Vote:Warman
Welcome to mafia!
KukriKhan
05-09-2008, 02:38
Wait. 180+ posts, and only one by Glenn, who is usually in the thick of it by now?
vote: Glenn
just for being so out of character. Speak up Lad, and I'll pull that vote.
Who would target Seamus so early? Why? Someone with an axe to grind from the last big Mafia game? Not happy here with his quick demise.:no:
Vote: Tratorix
My vote chosen using random.org. :laugh4:
Tratorix
05-09-2008, 03:15
Vote: pevergreen
Throwing a vote on a new player because he's trying to be active? Shame. :no:
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 03:22
Ha ha ha! You must understand Kukri!
Actually - I was quite enjoying simply browsing through the thread and attempting to see patterns in speech and ideas.
Now that I have been asked to stand out in the open, I shall remain, and I will also share a thought.
I was cowed in Capo II by the malevolence of Sasaki - who appeared to be dogging anyone he could shed bad light upon.
This seems to be a popular tactic of his, and often leads to the lynching of townies - unfortunately - even when Sasaki is pro-town.
In every game I play, spectating or participating, the first thing I do is try to determine whether Sasaki is guilty or innocent. That may be a compliment to him.
And so far in this - Sasaki is the only player whom I would even guess as an innocent.
This is because I see he had a fair opportunity to pick at Privateer Kev, a new player, who although he reasoned fairly against Sasaki - when I did so in Capo II - it made no difference.
However, instead of tearing him to the ground in any way possible, Sasaki allowed things to slide.
He appears more temperate and less wilfully destructive this game - and I think now I am more inclined to believe his word provided he gives reason also.
----
I am suspicious so far of one thing. Tiberius of the Drake and his random vote.
I think we need to start adding a tally here, so that players can't jump on bandwagons in total anonymity.
---
As for Seamus - I don't see it as totally strange that someone with over 4000, and just as many PMs of Mafioso experience would be taken out immediately.
I would guess him to be an exceptional hunter after Capo II!
---
And finally, my vote is reserved until I see someone worthy of lynching suspicion.
Let's just hope Sasaki doesn't twist my words.. He has a gift not unlike those people who find satanic messages in Beatle songs..
(Edited to make more sense.)
BananaBob
05-09-2008, 03:30
Vote:GeneralHankerchief
Tratorix
05-09-2008, 03:44
Vote:GeneralHankerchief
I am in awe of your well prepared and presented reasoning.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-09-2008, 03:51
...attempting to see patterns in speech and ideas...
Zealous much???? :dizzy2:
Though I'm probably just inexperianced and naive by comparision... :embarassed:
seireikhaan
05-09-2008, 03:52
Unvote: Strawberry
Vote: Woad&Fangs
I don't like what you've done so far. You make a post earlier noting Shlin's odd remark, but don't vote. Since then, you've been online, yet you apparently don't seem to find anything very interesting, since you are deciding to lurk. Got anything to say?
seireikhaan
05-09-2008, 04:05
Whoops, just reread thread a bit more. I need some sleep.:sweatdrop:
Unvote: Woad&Fangs
Vote: Strawberry
Insane Tally:
Sarathos- 2(Beefy187, Warman)
Proletariat- 2(Sasaki, Husar)
Shlin28- 2(Woad&Fangs, GaiusCurio)
GeneralHankerchief- 2(CR, Banana Bob)
00Jebus- 1(GH)
Gaius Sribonius Curio- 1(TinCow)
Andres- 1(Mithrandir)
PrivateerKev- 1(Pevergreen)
Beefy187- 1(Tiberius)
Sasaki- 1(LittleGriz')
Warman- 1(Caius)
Glenn- 1(Kukri)
Tratorix- 1(Rythmic)
Pevergreen- 1(Tratorix)
Ichigo- 1('Khaan)
Abstain- 2(The Stranger, Shlin28)
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 04:18
Since not voting will get me in more trouble than random voting, and random voting will get me in more trouble than targeted voting, I will vote for someone.
Vote: Proletariat
I never liked her implying that someone can only place a block if the target is doing something. She is a veteran and should know better. If I hear a satisfactory answer, or see someone acting more guilty, then I will re-consider my vote.
I was working on a vote tally when khaan put his up and I don't want my work to go to waste, so here is mine. Two things though. 1.) Andres is not playing and the vote towards him doesn't count. 2.) I was confused by the whole strawberry thing. Please use people's screen names for the sake of us noobs. :beam:
Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, Privateerkev)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Crazed Rabbit, BananaBob)
shlin28: 2 (woad&fangs, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy187, {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
00jebus: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Privateerkev: 1 (pevergreen)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
Glenn: 1 (KukriKhan)
Tratorix: 1 (Rythmic)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Abstain: 2 (The Stranger, shlin28)
seireikhaan
05-09-2008, 04:26
I was working on a vote tally when khaan put his up and I don't want my work to go to waste, so here is mine. Two things though. 1.) Andres is not playing and the vote towards him doesn't count. 2.) I was confused by the whole strawberry thing. Please use people's screen names for the sake of us noobs. :beam:
Right, like I said, I probably am in need of some sleep right now. And for the "noobs", Strawberry=Ichigo, at least so goes the pun from the show. Hence, I tend to use it in an opening spam vote against Ichigo sometimes. However, I'll keep my vote on him for the time being, because I'm very curious as to his quietness. He didn't even open the game with his customary "vote:sasaki" like he always does. Hence, I'm rather curious as to what he's up to.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
05-09-2008, 04:27
I think that Strawberry is meaningless, ie: it doesn't exist/is noone.
Since not voting will get me in more trouble than random voting, and random voting will get me in more trouble than targeted voting, I will vote for someone.
Fantastic reasoning.
Edit: Thanks for the clarification Khann
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 04:35
Rereading the thread again.. Although there really isn't a great deal of information, I admit.
And I would also like to retract my suspicions of Tiberius, I thought two others had already voted for Beefy further back - I was wrong - and his small participation can give me no reason for suspicion.
Oh, and Gaius - I am not as zealous as some - see Kommodus or Ajaxfetish for reference!
But I do find it very, very telling to going into a player's profile and reveal all previous posts in one column.
Although nobody listened to me, I discovered about three Mafiosos in Capo, including Joe Monks, (If I remember the name correctly), using that simple method.
Anyway - I will return later - and no, no vote as of yet, but that is reasonable I think.
Vote: Proletariat
I never liked her implying that someone can only place a block if the target is doing something. She is a veteran and should know better.
That's not what she was implying at all. She was referring to what I understand to be normal policy in these games: if a role blocker blocks someone who wasn't doing anything in the first place, the target isn't usually informed of the fact that they were blocked. It's perfectly acceptable for Andres to do it, it does seems out of the ordinary so it draws some attention. In any case, even if saying that was somehow suspicious, I'm the one who brought it up first.
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 04:43
That's not what she was implying at all. She was referring to what I understand to be normal policy in these games: if a role blocker blocks someone who wasn't doing anything in the first place, the target isn't usually informed of the fact that they were blocked. It's perfectly acceptable for Andres to do it, it does seems out of the ordinary so it draws some attention. In any case, even if saying that was somehow suspicious, I'm the one who brought it up first.
I respectfully disagree...
Here is her post:
Hrm. An unusually interesting first round. I don't understand the point of blocking actions that don't happen. In basketball you can't block a shot when no one shoots, so it'll be interesting to see what the point of this game mechanic is. Or if Sasaki just made it up for some reason.
She wasn't talking about the fact Sasaki got a notice. She was implying he actually had an action blocked. And that he might have lied.
Thus, my vote for now.
Seamus Fermanagh
05-09-2008, 04:57
<<Seamus groggily opens his eyes, peering at unfamiliar surroundings.>>
:inquisitive:
<<...I don't recall the brimstone aroma from the eruption being that strong, and why is everything backlit by flames, though Seamus.>>
"Welcome!"
<<Seamus stares at the red-skinned, military fork-wielding figure.>>
"I thought we'd lost you, but then Peter noted your Hawaiian shirt and copy of "Sicily for Dummies" so I picked up another one," said the chap with the naturally devilish grin.
<<Seamus stared, a look of sick horror coming over his face.>>
"Now, if you'd been an AI coder for Creative Assembly, I'd have had you down in advance, but I'm sure we'll think of someplace cozy...."
Privateer:
The reason for the votes is simple -- people don't realy put a lot of effort into their responses until they think they're likely to get the chop. THEN you get details, passion, statements etc.
Early on this means little, as their is no means of cross checking against subsequent posting claims, votes, etc. But unless you ramp up the pressure and force discussion, Mafiosi get to make nice little unexplained "abstain" votes while sharpening their stilettos for the next night.
You gotta make 'em sweat a bit.
Proletariat
05-09-2008, 05:07
Vote: Proletariat
I never liked her implying that someone can only place a block if the target is doing something. She is a veteran and should know better.
I didn't imply that, I said that. It was a comment about the game rules, don't read too much into it. I get some veteran status because I've played alot, not because I'm a brilliant analyzer or liar. Post your role PM, Priva. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. :beam:
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 05:17
I didn't imply that, I said that. I get some veteran status because I've played alot, not because I'm a brilliant analyzer or liar. Post your role PM, Priva. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. :beam:
I'm just a simple townie. The townie role PM is public knowledge.
your turn...
Privateer:
The reason for the votes is simple -- people don't realy put a lot of effort into their responses until they think they're likely to get the chop. THEN you get details, passion, statements etc.
Early on this means little, as their is no means of cross checking against subsequent posting claims, votes, etc. But unless you ramp up the pressure and force discussion, Mafiosi get to make nice little unexplained "abstain" votes while sharpening their stilettos for the next night.
You gotta make 'em sweat a bit.
I am seeing more and more how that is important. I'm getting the hang of this... slowly...
:2thumbsup:
pevergreen
05-09-2008, 05:27
Unvote: PK, Vote:Tratorix AKA BSR
OMGUS.
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 05:36
You know, I thought it was a wild accusation - but Pevergreen in total truth does not contribute anything of intellectual note to these games.
He simply tries to kill off his school buddies from Brisbane, and other people whom he has a grudge against since previous games.
Kev, I don't see anything substantial with this material you are hanging on Proletariat - although I think you are doing it in imitation of Sasaki's interrogation technique!
Very well done so far however!
By the way, GeneralHankerchief, what meant you - when you said you didn't like this?
In that there is not enough speech and reasoning? Too much spam?
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 05:40
Kev, I don't see anything substantial with this material you are hanging on Proletariat - although I think you are doing it in imitation of Sasaki's interrogation technique!
Very well done so far however!
Thank you. It helps to watch good players...
As for my material, I admit it's light but it is all I have at the moment. I am open to changing my vote if new information comes up.
And I feel I have given far more thought to my vote than some people have given to theirs.
Makanyane
05-09-2008, 07:42
Vote: Mithrandir
to help him with his social life - and because he keeps trying to kill the host :beadyeyes2:
EDIT for tally:
Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, Privateerkev)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Crazed Rabbit, BananaBob)
shlin28: 2 (woad&fangs, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy187, {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
00jebus: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
Glenn: 1 (KukriKhan)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pevergreen)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Abstain: 2 (The Stranger, shlin28)
__________________
Mithrandir
05-09-2008, 07:58
unvote: Andres
Vote:Makanyane
Not the host, a camel-hater... any camelhater. But I'll change my vote to please you Makanyane.
Makanyane
05-09-2008, 08:24
but, but, but I love camels! :sad2:
(aren't you meant to fabricate some logical sounding reason for voting me?)
It seems like an explanation about game mechanics is required:
Everybody who sleeps with the prostitute will get a pm, it doesn't matter if that person was going to perform a night action or not. The prostitute also gets a pm with the results of the night actions.
In fact, the pm to the player concerned and the mentioning of strange sounds in the public thread, is just me having some fun :jester:
Some interesting developments, a host who sends useless PMs around, Sasaki makes a claim that may not be a lie, prole gets the axe for acting too suspicious after getting two votes in round one, that was a bit too much for the mafia girl, eh? My feeling spoke again and said your accusations of Sasaki were meant to get him lynched instead of yourself, might be wrong but it's more than I usually have in round one so my vote stays. The PM exchange thing was also quite ridiculous which underlines my suspicion.
The Stranger
05-09-2008, 09:34
damn this game goes fast...
I guess I should make an appearance to show my support for Andres’ game. 8 pages of posts take out a chunk of office time, but hey, this is mafia.
The post I found most interesting is this one:
https://img517.imageshack.us/img517/882/titlekow4if4.jpg
Nice Sasaki… It brought a smile to my face on a rather hectic morning.
I think someone mentioned the interesting tidbit of only having one kill where three were expected, that someone (tried to) block(ed) Sasaki.
This tells me that we could be dealing with players expecting to be investigated on the first night. Now, if we could imagine ourselves as detectives, who would we investigate first? It would be the players we think would be hard to detect by other means.
My short list would be (in no particular order):
Sasaki
TinCow
GH
CR
Khaan
W&F
Omanes
Pever
The stranger
Rytmic
Also who would block Sasaki on the first night? It would be those familiar with the game, ergo: who would not?
I should vote one of those I listed to show that I believe my own reasoning, but I think I will go a little crazy and vote: Husar.. just to see how much trouble I will get.:beam:
pevergreen
05-09-2008, 10:07
First of all, I've said it numerous times. its "pever". No capital.
I dont call you gLeNN do I? etc etc
Now about you glen:
You know, I thought it was a wild accusation - but Pevergreen in total truth does not contribute anything of intellectual note to these games.
He simply tries to kill off his school buddies from Brisbane, and other people whom he has a grudge against since previous
I dont hold grudges, I've been mafia twice in big games (excluding Capo 1).
In both I killed none of my school friends (from memory, dont hold me to that)
Holding grudges, IMO, is against the spirit of the game.
As for non-intellectual posts, at this point in the game, I have no amazing ability to pick out mafia, I'm not a good mafia hunter. Throughout the game, I sometimes get hints. I dont believe I've ever lead the town to a mafia member.
This is about as long as my posts go. I manage to say everything I want in a short amount of text.
That'll do.
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 10:20
That was a very begrudging reply, Pevergreen.
---
Sigurd, you bring an obvious and choice method of arousing discussion to the thread.
Who must be investigated and discovered as a priority - and I must say that I agree quite heartily with your list - apart from of course wishing that I were first, that my innocence may be proved.
As for the prostitute block.. I understood Andres as having sent a PM to Sasaki about the prostitute as a joke - therefore we can't know for sure whether Sasaki was actually blocked - or if the prostitute actually blocked anyone.
Please clarify this Andres before anybody takes it as evidence.
----
As for why there was only one kill, the most apparent reason to me is pure inactivity - considering there is only a strict number who are posting here currently.
As for the prostitute block.. I understood Andres as having sent a PM to Sasaki about the prostitute as a joke - therefore we can't know for sure whether Sasaki was actually blocked - or if the prostitute actually blocked anyone.
Please clarify this Andres before anybody takes it as evidence.
Not as a joke actually. Like I said, anybody who gets visited by the prostitute, will get a pm. It doesn't matter if that player was going to perform a night action or not.
The reason? Just for fun. I wonder what ultimate fantasy I will make up for you, Glenn ~:joker:
Makanyane
05-09-2008, 10:49
Throughout the game, I sometimes get hints. I dont believe I've ever lead the town to a mafia member.
except of course when you were the mafia.... but I'm trying my best not to go into revenge voting :devilish:
Glenn you seem to be waffling for the sake of it, the bit about the prostitute seemed quite clear from Andres first reply about it.
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 11:08
Well then I'll just shut my godforsaken mouth until someone suspects me for not waffling enough.
The Stranger
05-09-2008, 11:42
sigurd... why me? why always me!?! you bullies... I SHALL NEVER PLAY THESE GAMES AGAIN... you just can't stand me being superior can you... bleugh...
sigurd... why me? why always me!?! you bullies... I SHALL NEVER PLAY THESE GAMES AGAIN... you just can't stand me being superior can you... bleugh...
What??
Are you afraid of being investigated? Do you have something to hide?
:smash:
Just so nobody misunderstands. What I meant, but clearly could not express sufficiently in the English known to me was; if I were in charge of investigations I would have investigated those people on the list I put in my previous post. I also believe that the people on my list would expect to be investigated early if not in the first round, including me.
LittleGrizzly
05-09-2008, 13:07
Sasaki
TinCow
GH
CR
Khaan
W&F
Omanes
Pever
The stranger
Rytmic
Is this list based on experience at playing mafia only ? or something more ?
I have an inherent distrust of sasaki probably just from the only mafia game i have played.
So if we were expecting 3 kills and only 1 happened at least 1 'mafia' didn't hand any orders in (one character can kill or investigate) so should we be looking suspicously at inactivity ?
KukriKhan
05-09-2008, 13:15
I'm a man of my word; Glenn spoke up, so:
unvote: Glenn for now, and I'll join CR's bandwagon:
vote: GeneralHankerchief
Hmm... 37 players, 20 lynch voters. Quiet folks had best speak up and take a voting stand soon, lest they be suspects tomorrow.
woad&fangs
05-09-2008, 13:19
Why is everyone voting for GH?
Proletariat
05-09-2008, 13:33
Just because. Some people are pretending this first round of votes is more significant than it is. But it's the same crap shoot all first rounds are
this is based on no in game evidence, I just think he may want more time to iron out the rules to KotR's sucessor...
Vote:TinCow
also, he's on sigurds list, which I have to trust for now....
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
05-09-2008, 13:37
Vote:Warman
Welcome to mafia!
Ah Thank you, thanks for the lynch vote against me! :clown: :wall:
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 13:42
Just because. Some people are pretending this first round of votes is more significant than it is. But it's the same crap shoot all first rounds are
I'm still waiting for you to keep up your end of the role reveal. For you to not keep up your end tells me you were just trying to steamroll a newbie. Such activity is quite scummy.
I am now quite pleased with my vote...
Proletariat
05-09-2008, 13:57
I'm a townie and you said that role pm is public knowledge. Why should I bother posting it?
I haven't seen where it's been posted anyway, so I'm not even sure what you meant by public knowledge.
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 14:00
This post has been made groundless by the above post. Later I will comment.
(It was regarding Proletariat and her role.)
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 14:07
I'm a townie and you said that role pm is public knowledge. Why should I bother posting it?
I haven't seen where it's been posted anyway, so I'm not even sure what you meant by public knowledge.
Yes but you did not answer me until I challenged you. I regard such behavior as scummy and suspicious. You challenged me, I answered it, and then you made a post without acknowledging your end of the deal.
What are you hiding?
As for the pm, it is posted in Andres's night 0 post a few pages back. Since I suspect you were not PM'd the townie role, I can go and cut-an-paste it here for your convenience if you wish.
KukriKhan
05-09-2008, 14:10
I'm a townie and you said that role pm is public knowledge. Why should I bother posting it?
I haven't seen where it's been posted anyway, so I'm not even sure what you meant by public knowledge.
Page 2, Post 53 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1913788&postcount=53) by Andres.
Mithrandir
05-09-2008, 14:11
You're suspiciously active & helpful Kukri...found a new hobby or .... hmmm.
The Stranger
05-09-2008, 14:13
i just don't understand why I'm always considered suspicious... sasaki or ichigo on the other hand...
Proletariat
05-09-2008, 14:15
Yes but you did not answer me until I challenged you. I regard such behavior as scummy and suspicious. You challenged me, I answered it, and then you made a post without acknowledging your end of the deal.
Challenged me? You said posting the role pm was pointless since it was public knowledge. I didn't bother posting it then, and you think that's scummy?
Northnovas
05-09-2008, 14:15
Wow, that was a lot of pages to read for being 1 day offline! I will make my first round contribution:
Vote: Abstain
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 14:17
Alright.. First Seamus has been killed.
Now it is time to look at who is going to die next.
Nobody is paying attention to the vote.
Now before GeneralHankerchief is killed off by a few shameless bandwagoning suspects - let's ask ourselves why he deserves death.
If GeneralHankerchief dies, and he was a pro-townie or a townie, then the Mafia will have succeeded in killing possibly the two most experienced, knowledgeable players in the first round.
That will mean a large step towards defeat, Taormina!
So now I have reason to cast a vote - in order to save the life of an excellent player before he is bandwagoned suspiciously from the game.
Vote: CrazedRabbit
Like most criminals, you have avoided the limelight briskly and successfully started a bandwagon with Kukrikhan why, taking into account my reasons for GeneralHankerchief's usefulness, would you want him dead as a random vote?
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 14:26
Now before GeneralHankerchief is killed off by a few shameless bandwagoning suspects - let's ask ourselves why he deserves death.
If GeneralHankerchief dies, and he was a pro-townie or a townie, then the Mafia will have succeeded in killing possibly the two most experienced, knowledgeable players in the first round.
I too can not figure out why GH has gotten votes. No one's explanation has satisfied me.
Challenged me? You said posting the role pm was pointless since it was public knowledge. I didn't bother posting it then, and you think that's scummy?
But you also didn't even reveal your role. You publicly made a deal and then refused to hold up your end until I challenged you.
If your a townie, I'm sure you have no problem asking for yourself to be investigated. To be fair, I will ask to be investigated as well as long as the detective does 2 things.
1.) I want the detective to pick a random turn to investigate us. There is suspicion that mafia are laying low so they turn up innocent. So, if he picks a random turn, that minimizes that possibility.
2.) I do not want the detective to publicly reveal if we turn up innocent. He can not reveal himself so early in the game. I don't know about you but I am happy to be lynched if it protects the detective. If one of us comes up guilty, I am sure the detective will use his best judgement on whether to reveal or not.
So Proletariat, I have laid my cards out for all to see. Will you do the same?
Proletariat
05-09-2008, 14:30
Sure. I'm a townie. Investigate away, detective.
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 14:35
Sure. I'm a townie. Investigate away, detective.
Then we have a deal. :D
Proletariat
05-09-2008, 14:44
/shakes on it
I'm still not sure who to vote for, but I gotta run to work soon. Here goes a random vote
Vote: Caius
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 14:44
Privateer, you are not unlike a Catholic Inquistion in your quest for guilty blood - but please do not fall into the same trap that Sasaki is prone to.
That is, pursuing a target with such unflagging delight that you begin to want that target to be guilty, simply for the sake of justification.
You are beginning to give me confidence in your innocence, though I guarantee nothing to myself as of yet, and I would have you help me in rooting out those shadowy players who will kill the experience from underneath us while you search!
Look about the list of other players and search for other suspicions!
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 14:50
Privateer, you are not unlike a Catholic Inquistion in your quest for guilty blood - but please do not fall into the same trap that Sasaki is prone to.
That is, pursuing a target with such unflagging delight that you begin to want that target to be guilty, simply for the sake of justification.
You are absolutely correct. :bow:
As I have said in other posts, if someone else's behavior comes across as more suspicious, I will change my vote.
Part of the problem is that I don't know most of the people here. Therefore, on turn one, I don't have much of a baseline to compare people against. To me, a lot of comments so far come across as innocent where a veteran might see them as suspicious because they know the person.
Hopefully I'll be more helpful when I get to know people better and get a feel for their habits and style. :yes:
KukriKhan
05-09-2008, 15:03
OK Laddies, it's off to the day-job for me. I had no real reason to vote for GeneralH, except to try and spawn more talk.
So: unvote: GeneralHandkerchief
vote: Hiji for lack of participation.
Have a fine day, and good luck all!
PershsNhpios
05-09-2008, 15:11
Most favourable of you, Kukri, and I thank you for keeping your word.
These random votes are acceptable for the Township - so long as they remain random.
GeneralHankerchief
05-09-2008, 15:26
Wow, awesome. I've never been the target of a first-round bandwagon before.
@Glenn: I said "I don't like this" because something's been spinning in my head about a diabolical plot Sasaki's had in order to twist a PM he received to his advantage. With additional information coming out, I'm not as sure, but the thought still remains.
Unvote: 00jebus
Vote: axel
Interesting how he stopped talking right after the roles were assigned.
Keep the tally going, otherwise mafia bandwagons can hide more easily, especially in a mess like this.
Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Caius: 1 (Proletariat)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
Abstain: 3 (TS, shlin, NN)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-09-2008, 16:32
Nothing too much to go on from my perspective - Sasaki's prostitute hiring seems genuine based upon Andres' clarification. The only thing I can henceforth detect is Privateerkev. What I dislike about his behaviour is his fairly high levels of activity in comparison to other players. This could indicate genuine townie involvement, or it could suggest a mafia attempt at avoiding the "lurker" classification. There also is his lack of willingness to vote, which could be an attempt to maintain mafia style neutrality.
Regardless of the flimsiness of this, we've got to start somewhere.
Vote: Privateerkev
Tally
Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Caius: 1 (Proletariat)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
Privateerkev: 1 (Omanes)
Privateerkev
05-09-2008, 16:36
The only thing I can henceforth detect, is Privateerkev. What I dislike about his behaviour is his fairly high levels of activity in comparison to other players. This could indicate townie involvement, or it could suggest a mafia attempt at avoiding the "lurker" classification.
I'm a chatty person who has internet access at work... :2thumbsup:
Look at some threads in the KotR sub-forum and you'll see that I usually hold a disproportionate amount of the posts.
Like I have said before, I welcome a randomly timed investigation upon my person by the detective as long as he takes care to hide his own identity. :yes:
*edit*
There also is his lack of willingness to vote, which could be an attempt to maintain mafia style neutrality.
I'm still getting the hang of things and some veterans have convinced me that it is better to "flush out" mafia as early as possible.
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