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[ULC]

But the US has Canada's oil also. I think Canada has actually more oil than the US, if you count the huge reserves it has that are difficult to extract.

Beskar's point still stands though, the US being self sufficient in oil would not be cost effective, unless the oil was very expensive to the consumers. The cost of extracting and refining oil is not the same anywhere and I feel that such economic factors cannot be properly represented with an abstract model.

Which is precisely why it can't and won't be modeled in such a way - to an extent. Also, it is Saudi Arabia (closely followed by Russia :sweatdrop:) which has most of the worlds oil supply, if I am not mistaken - the US infact produce even more oil then you do :clown:

Oil won't be a big factor so long as you remain with either the US or Russian based alliances - China is still growing however, but has other things to compensate for it.

Independants might want to think about being friendly to the Middle Eastern's though, and being allied does give you benefits.

[TheFlax]

Which is precisely why it can't and won't be modeled in such a way - to an extent. Also, it is Saudi Arabia (closely followed by Russia :sweatdrop:) which has most of the worlds oil supply, if I am not mistaken - the US infact produce even more oil then you do :clown:

Oil won't be a big factor so long as you remain with either the US or Russian based alliances - China is still growing however, but has other things to compensate for it.

Independants might want to think about being friendly to the Middle Eastern's though, and being allied does give you benefits.

Was talking about reserves, meaning the quantity of oil in the ground and not production. :wink:

[White_eyes:D]

Sadly Beskar, a middle eastern coalition would be like, you and me. :clown: We could maybe get Turkey, but I don't remember any other countries in that area being played by someone. That's too bad, because its a very interesting hot spot.

Sure:yes:....but let's all pound AVSM, so he won't steal OUR oil...:grin2:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

dang now I wish I was Israel. I could have made life hell for all the middle east factions!

I guess I will have to live with being their best friends

[Iskander 3.1]

~:grouphug:

[RoadKill]

If there is still room in this game I would like to be CANADAAAA.

[Greyblades]

You can, but start singing and I will make you take poland instead.

[RoadKill]

O' Canada our home and native landdd!!!
True patriot lovvee and all our sons command!

:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You didn't finish the national anthem.

Do you know that's a crime punishable by death in Canada? And Canada doesn't even have the death penalty. You just disappear and you're forced to watch Barney and Friends until you stab yourself to death with a plastic picnic spoon.

[Greyblades]

List time:

YLC: USA
Iskander: USSR
ATPG: China
Drizzt: UK.
AVSM: Somolia
Beskar: Iran.
Pevergreen : Sweden.
Ichigo: Italy
White_eyes:D: Turkey
The Flax: Pakistan.
Khaan: Indonesia.
Beefy: Japan
Blackadder: France
Jolt: Portugal
Zim: India
Roadkill: Canada (West Germany if he starts singing)
Navarro: Cuba

[Iskander 3.1]

Donde esta me?

[Greyblades]

Whoops. Sorry about that.

[navarro951]

List time:

YLC: USA
Iskander: USSR
ATPG: China
Drizzt: UK.
AVSM: Somolia
Beskar: Iran.
Pevergreen : Sweden.
Ichigo: Italy
White_eyes:D: Turkey
The Flax: Pakistan.
Khaan: Indonesia.
Beefy: Japan
Blackadder: France
Jolt: Portugal
Zim: India
Roadkill: Canada (West Germany if he starts singing)

navarro951: Cuba

[Greyblades]

Picky picky...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

so what are we waiting on? 2 or so more people to fill in the rest of the major roles?

[Beskar]

India could join a Middle Eastern Alliance. Afterall, there is a large muslim presence in the nation.

Also, Greyblades, who controls NPC nations? For pure example, Britain wanted to invade Iceland.

[Greyblades]

@ Drzzt:Mainly I am waiting for my computer, with photo-shop installed, to come back from repair which will probably take anything from 5 days to 2 weeks :juggle2: I know its a pain but what can I say, there's been allot of weird and frustrating things going wrong for me this month.

Either way I probably wouldn't have started now anyway seeing as the "most important exams of my life" started 2 days ago.:hide:

@Beskar: The NPC factions will be controlled by me but will mostly sit around doing nothing until a player interacts with them or they get involved in one of the historical events that that will occur.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

that's fine, didn't mean to rush you, was just wondering.

[Beefy187]

O' Canada our home and native landdd!!!
True patriot lovvee and all our sons command!

:clown:

Woah... Where the heck have you been?

Welcome back :2thumbsup:

[RoadKill]

Woah... Where the heck have you been?

Welcome back :2thumbsup:

Kidnapped by CrazySpaceMonkeys, and thanks :)

[TheFlax]

India could join a Middle Eastern Alliance. Afterall, there is a large muslim presence in the nation.

Also, Greyblades, who controls NPC nations? For pure example, Britain wanted to invade Iceland.

Regarding India, over my dead body. :clown:

No seriously, India and Pakistan in the same alliance? :skull:

[ULC]

Regarding India, over my dead body. :clown:

No seriously, India and Pakistan in the same alliance? :skull:

Yea - no Zim versus TF fun :no:

[navarro951]

Regarding India, over my dead body. :clown:

No seriously, India and Pakistan in the same alliance? :skull:

Not in 1 bagillion mazillion fafaillion gagillion rarillian years.

[Beskar]

Wait, Pakistan has nukes in this time period, does it?

[ULC]

Wait, Pakistan has nukes in this time period, does it?

Yes - 8 I think.

[Beskar]

TheFlax, I definitely want diplomatic relations with you. :beam:

[TheFlax]

Wait, Pakistan has nukes in this time period, does it?

Pakistan's nuclear program started in 1976 (according to wikipedia) and yielded a positive test only in 1998. I can imagine they are somewhat lacking in delivery systems though. :laugh4:


TheFlax, I definitely want diplomatic relations with you. :beam:

After the latest Mini Mafia I could hardly resist. :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

TheFlax, I definitely want diplomatic relations with you. :beam:

Wow.... is there room on this love boat for a DEAD SEXY Paramount Leader of China? As you well know, China loves all her Asian friends.

[Beskar]

Sure, we don't turn away valuable friends and contributors.

[pevergreen]

Is germany actually taken?

If not, I'll jump ship.

[Greyblades]

West Germany is in need of a player, if your interested?

Wow.... is there room on this love boat for a DEAD SEXY Paramount Leader of China? As you well know, China loves all her Asian friends.
Oh crud, my threads turned into a dating service.

[pevergreen]

Sure, I'll hotfoot it over to VEST GERMANEY!

[Beskar]

Don't fall asleep though, pevergreen, or even I could have conquered you by the time you woke-up.

[pevergreen]

Oh, I'm weak am I?

:shrug:

I shall invite myself over somewhere, for tea.

OOh, what form of government do I have?

[Greyblades]

Your nato, so multi party democracy I think.

[Beefy187]

Oh, I'm weak am I?

:shrug:

I shall invite myself over somewhere, for tea.

OOh, what form of government do I have?

Alliance alliance!!

No italy this time :beam:

[Khazaar]

I think I´m missing on the list, could be wrong though...

[Greyblades]

List time:

YLC: USA
Iskander: USSR
ATPG: China
Drizzt: UK.
AVSM: Somolia
Beskar: Iran.
Pevergreen : West Germany.
Ichigo: Italy
White_eyes:D: Turkey
The Flax: Pakistan.
Khaan: Indonesia.
Beefy: Japan
Blackadder: France
Jolt: Portugal
Zim: India
Roadkill: Canada (Poland if he starts singing).
Navarro: Cuba.
Khazaar: East Germany.

I think that's everyone.

[RoadKill]

So anyone want to ally Canada? :beam:

[ULC]

We need 2 more :beam:

And as always, the US is always open to trade deals.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Britain will accept trade from anyone really, GO TEAM NATO!!!!

[Zim]

Pakistan's nuclear program started in 1976 (according to wikipedia) and yielded a positive test only in 1998. I can imagine they are somewhat lacking in delivery systems though. :laugh4:


We can threaten each other with all the nukes we have no delivery systems for. :beam:



So anyone want to ally Canada? :beam:

India is definitely in need of oil....er....allies. ~;)

[RoadKill]

I'll throw in some free maple syrup with that oil while I'm at it. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

China would like to have relations with India. No curry though, please.

[Zim]

I'll throw in some free maple syrup with that oil while I'm at it. :laugh4:

Mmm....maple syrup...

More seriously India is completely open to trade and other treaties with Canada, but understand if that must wait until we find out from YLC whether we have anything worth trading or not. :sweatdrop:


China would like to have relations with India. No curry though, please.

But curry is so wonderful, although I have to admit I've only had Thai curry, not Indian.

India certainly desires peaceful relations with it's largest neighbor and welcomes any proposals made by China's emissaries.

[Greyblades]

I've never been a fan of spicy food like curry but I've always been up for a good chicken Korma or Dansak.

Seeing as I probably wont be able to start this game off for a week or 2 I think it might be a good idea to get a new player to be iraq and maybe afew other Warsaw countries like Poland.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Britain is willing to open trade with India, we respect all members of the Commonwealth

[Askthepizzaguy]

China is willing to have trade and peace with just about everyone... some nations however have been disrespectful to China in the past, and we would prefer they approach us with proper diplomatic courtesy. We will not come crawling to them.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

this isn't about the whole, tearing down your government and forcing it to accept western trade is it? that was years ago! get over it man! (but I guess we are sorry.... kind of :shame:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

this isn't about the whole, tearing down your government and forcing it to accept western trade is it? that was years ago! get over it man! (but I guess we are sorry.... kind of :shame:)

We don't have a problem with the United Kingdom. You fellows assisted us in World War II. Now, if we could only get Hong Kong back by the end of the century, that would be lovely. But we will discuss that later.

[Greyblades]

Wikipedia:
July 1967 - Hong Kong 1967 riots - Chinese People's Liberation Army troops fire on British soldiers, killing 6.
23 August 1967 - A Red Guard mob sacks the British Legation in Beijing, slightly injuring the chargé d'affaires and other staff, in response to British arrests of Communist agents in Hong Kong. A Reuters correspondent, Anthony Grey, was also imprisoned by the PRC authorities.[15]
29 August 1967 - Armed Chinese diplomats attack British police guarding the Chinese Legation in London

"Don't have a problem" indeed.
Oh well, ancient history I suppose.

[pevergreen]

I shall start playing, once play commences.

I only skipped 160 posts anyway.

[Greyblades]

That reminds me: OP updated.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am quite sure that all of that was simply a "misunderstanding" the future of China and the UK will most definitely be marked with peace. (indeed Hong Kong shall wait for another time)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wikipedia:
July 1967 - Hong Kong 1967 riots - Chinese People's Liberation Army troops fire on British soldiers, killing 6.
23 August 1967 - A Red Guard mob sacks the British Legation in Beijing, slightly injuring the chargé d'affaires and other staff, in response to British arrests of Communist agents in Hong Kong. A Reuters correspondent, Anthony Grey, was also imprisoned by the PRC authorities.[15]
29 August 1967 - Armed Chinese diplomats attack British police guarding the Chinese Legation in London

"Don't have a problem" indeed.
Oh well, ancient history I suppose.

That was over 13 years ago. :inquisitive:

[Greyblades]

Those examples were all from china's wanting Hong kong. I havent even gone into the Korean war yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That makes even less sense. That was in 1953! :stars:

[Greyblades]

I though that Drzzt should know about your two countries history before you started to become too buddy buddy.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

oohhh don't worry, I know all right. I have simply decided that for now we have to bury the hatchet, if I don't have any attack on Hong Kong from this point on then peace shall rule the day!

[TheFlax]

That makes even less sense. That was in 1953! :stars:

ATPG, IRL China is still sour with Japan about WW2. Recently a chinese film came out with a more nuanced view of Japan's occupation. The filmmaker has received several death threats and is being called a traitor by more than a few.

Maybe the government is willing to overlook pass slights, but the people usually are not. Heck, they are usually not able to overlook imagined pass slights most of the time. The general population usually has very emotional responses to stuff and blaming other people for our past mistakes and failures is a longstanding human tradition. :clown:

I think that anyone who goes to peacy with his "natural enemies" should have some sort of discontentment event amongst its population. Else, we are going to assist to a few aggressive countries who get a lot of flack while people are busy holding hands and signing of peace and love.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I checked what happened between Japan and China this decade, and I saw that relations warmed and it was a prosperous era of trade and cooperation.

That's good enough for me. What the little "people" in China think of Japan IRL has little to do with how I'll roleplay this game. Besides, if I am a slave to history, this game will get boring. Since I'm actually being within a degree or two or reality, I think I'm good.

[TheFlax]

I posted what I posted not to tell you how to play, but merely to explain why the issues Greyblades has brought up can still be relevant. I'm not actually afraid of you being chummy chummy with everyone in the world, O Blitzmaster. :wink:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Britain also does not plan on being buddy buddy with everyone, but for now China will remain a peaceful neighbor, so we can focus on other things like Russia....

[Beefy187]

I checked what happened between Japan and China this decade, and I saw that relations warmed and it was a prosperous era of trade and cooperation.

That's good enough for me. What the little "people" in China think of Japan IRL has little to do with how I'll roleplay this game. Besides, if I am a slave to history, this game will get boring. Since I'm actually being within a degree or two or reality, I think I'm good.

I'm quite happy playing Americas cute little puppy.
USA could use a little help anyway :laugh4:

Though alliance may be hard, I'm quite happy to do some trading

[RoadKill]

As much as I want to wage full out war, I don't think Canada is... uhm... quite capable :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

I plan to break off of NATO......could I, Greyblades? (I want to form a MEC:grin2:)

[ULC]

As much as I want to wage full out war, I don't think Canada is... uhm... quite capable :laugh4:

That's a disputable handicap - care to be cured?

[Beskar]

You could possibly be in Both, Turkey. Not sure on specifics, but if you had to, you could then leave Nato for a Middle-East Collation.

If we are going to do that though, we have the influence the Arab League (which would be NPC's in the game) to also join.

[Khazaar]

East Germany offers Military Training and Equipment to anybody that can afford it. We have already setup speacial Liasons in Africa and the Middle East.

[Iskander 3.1]

Turkey...Russia had always dreamed of claiming Istanbul for itself.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

and Britain is here to make sure that never happens!

[RoadKill]

That's a disputable handicap - care to be cured?

Canada would be glad to be cured, we would more then be happy to fund this "protection" with our indefatigable supplies.

[Beefy187]

Poke :creep:


:bump:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I think we are just waiting for Greyblades to get his computer fixed at this point.

[Greyblades]

Heres something for you lot to do while we wait: find me a modification of google maps that depict earth in the 1980's.

[ULC]

Edit - one moment :sweatdrop:

I win.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

YLC FTW

[TheFlax]

That's not the world in 1980. :no:

Edit: Posted wrong map?

[ULC]

That's not the world in 1980. :no:

Edit: Posted wrong map?

Exactly ><

While we wait (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/govt1980.htm)

[Greyblades]

This is going to be a long week....

[Beefy187]

Edit

[Greyblades]

Google maps not wiki maps. Wikipedia seems to cut a few things out like Hawaii, the Falklands and Antarctica.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

And Britain is willing to go to WAR over our Falkland islands!

[ULC]

And Britain is willing to go to WAR over our Falkland islands!

Speaking of which - it's a political map of the 1980's, although it's a bit biased towards the British...

https://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m66/lalalanutz/Political/231354631_48ea040f76_o.jpg?t=1243301039

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

BEST MAP EVER!!!!

[Beskar]

Seen it ages ago, but yes, definitely a Tory map.

Here is the one at CIA Headquarters.
http://home.arcor.de/xelnaga/america-sees-world.jpg

[Jolt]

Funny thing about the YLC map. I never knew Gibraltar was that big.

[ULC]

Seen it ages ago, but yes, definitely a Tory map.

Here is the one at CIA Headquarters.
http://home.arcor.de/xelnaga/america-sees-world.jpg

Sometimes I think the average American believes that :shame:

[Iskander 3.1]

There was some show where they were asking Americans on the street to show where Iraq was on an unlabeled world map. When they didn't know, they showed another map with every country labeled, except that Australia was labeled "Iraq." Everyone said "Oh there it is! I knew it was somewhere in that area, I just couldn't put my finger on it." Embarrassing.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

wow, shows you how many people actual care about what they learn in school....

[Beefy187]

There was some show where they were asking Americans on the street to show where Iraq was on an unlabeled world map. When they didn't know, they showed another map with every country labeled, except that Australia was labeled "Iraq." Everyone said "Oh there it is! I knew it was somewhere in that area, I just couldn't put my finger on it." Embarrassing.

Was that Chasers war on everything?

[Greyblades]

Yes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ3RrqBqk14)

[ULC]

I watched it and almost cried. Where in (stream of morose and forlorn explicitives uttered in pained desperation for some core of sanity) do they find these people! It almost makes me want to institutionalize eugenics and intelligence screening for the whole population. Those who fail to meet the standard would be executed.

Such blatant (yet another stream of impassioned rage) is uncalled for! The US education system and general population FAIL, HARD, EPICLY SO!

Edit - I can never call my self stupid after watching that.

[Greyblades]

Half of them weren't even country bumpkins (or as you call them rednecks), that were expected to be a little ignorent about the word, but regular newyorkers (I think, I'm not to sure about which city they were in)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Edit- ok I wasn't in on the joke. It's not a real news network, obviously, and so therefore they would make Americans act stupid in it.

[Beefy187]

That wasn't a real news network. I don't know if that was totally fake or not.

CNNNNN?

Its a Australian prank comedy show called "Chasers War on everything"

Those Americans are quite real though.. John Howard wasn't :laugh4:

I liked the Trojan Horse episode too

[ULC]

Half of them weren't even country bumpkins (or as you call them rednecks), that were expected to be a little ignorant about the word, but regular new yorkers (I think, I'm not to sure about which city they were in)

The Texas bit was almost expected though, seriously, the US is no longer anything close to a Democracy, it's an Oligarchy. How can some of these people sleep at night! Their world so closed and small it hurts, it's painful!

Of course, I'll admit you start asking where some countries are in Africa and I might start having issues, but seriously, Iran =/= Australia! Kyrgyzstan? Really? I know nothing of the country really, but seriously? Are people that naive and empty headed?

Thank god he didn't ask where Liechtenstein is, I'm sure they would have pointed at Russia, and said something stupid about Dracula living there.

[Beefy187]

The Texas bit was almost expected though, seriously, the US is no longer anything close to a Democracy, it's an Oligarchy. How can some of these people sleep at night! Their world so closed and small it hurts, it's painful!

Of course, I'll admit you start asking where some countries are in Africa and I might start having issues, but seriously, Iran =/= Australia! Kyrgyzstan? Really? I know nothing of the country really, but seriously? Are people that naive and empty headed?

Thank god he didn't ask where Liechtenstein is, I'm sure they would have pointed at Russia, and said something stupid about Dracula living there.

My personal favourite.

"How many side does a triangle have?"

"....Four!"
"Umm I dunno... One?"

[Askthepizzaguy]

I forgot where Albania was the other day. I thought it was near Georgia.

(The one next to Russia, not the USA. No, I didn't confuse Albania with Alabama. I'm not that far gone yet.)

[pevergreen]

Ah, CHASER NON-STOP NEWS NETWORK. :laugh4:
http://www.cnnnn.com/

[ULC]

I forgot where Albania was the other day. I thought it was near Georgia.

(The one next to Russia, not the USA. No, I didn't confuse Albania with Alabama. I'm not that far gone yet.)

You mean you confused Albania with Armenia? Or Azerbaijan?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You mean you confused Albania with Armenia? Or Azerbaijan?

Precisely. I thought Albania was Armenia or something. Turns out it's actually between Greece and Italy. I really, really should know that.

[ULC]

Precisely. I thought Albania was Armenia or something. Turns out it's actually between Greece and Italy. I really, really should know that.

One moment, my sarcasm sense is tingling...

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, which game are you mafia in, YLC? Invisible mode... invisible on your messenger... I'd better check to see which game you're afraid of being caught lurking in.

[TheFlax]

To all the Americans, you are not alone. I'm pretty sure you can find that sort of people in about every country. In countries where the information is free and easy to get (western democracies for example), there is simply no excuse to be so clueless. :thumbsdown:

[pevergreen]

What if they simply don't care about the world outside.

That's what I suspect.

[ULC]

What if they simply don't care about the world outside.

That's what I suspect.

Which is bollocks and I hope it's a dieing breed of ignorance. The world is interconnected, the idea of trying to remain isolationist in this day and age is absurd.

Speaking of which, I'm going to be PMing Greyblades the base PM, and if he approves, you'll all have your PM's soon, so you can start bickering :laugh4:

[Csargo]

Australia should be renamed iraq(with a lower-case i) so we're all on the same page(or at least in the same book ~;))

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

now it it time for some epic cold war era politics, and by that I mean America is going to be a huge jerk.

[Greyblades]

Which is bollocks and I hope it's a dieing breed of ignorance. The world is interconnected, the idea of trying to remain isolationist in this day and age is absurd.

Speaking of which, I'm going to be PMing Greyblades the base PM, and if he approves, you'll all have your PM's soon, so you can start bickering :laugh4:

....I'm going to have to either ask for a sub host to help me sort this out or persuade Tosainu to remove my PM restrictions...

[Askthepizzaguy]

That should not be difficult, Greyblades. If you explain briefly and politely you need more PM space to host a game in the gameroom, my experience is that he will just give you the space. :bow:

[Beefy187]

....I'm going to have to either ask for a sub host to help me sort this out or persuade Tosainu to remove my PM restrictions...

Try it on the Watch tower.

I believe me and TM tried it before, but never got the reply :bow:

[ULC]

....I'm going to have to either ask for a sub host to help me sort this out or persuade Tosainu to remove my PM restrictions...

Response to my PM?

[Greyblades]

Kinda yes.
There was a reason why I asked for a sub host at the start of all this and I cant help but think I'm going to have trouble keeping track of 20 sets of stats plus any tactics or ploys that you players will come up with.

[ULC]

Kinda yes.
There was a reason why I asked for a sub host at the start of all this and I cant help but think I'm going to have trouble keeping track of 20 sets of stats plus any tactics or ploys that you players will come up with.

*waves hand*

Numbers and statistics can be handled by anyone, they are impartial. So is Random.Org.

[Greyblades]

I'm going to be going through my GCSE's next week, that includes advanced mathamatics, do you realy think i want to be juggling numbers in my spare time? Seriously though its not so much the actual number juggling but finding out the numbers for each nation being played. Which is becoming a pain because google is so damn unhelpful at times.

[ULC]

I'm going to be going through my GCSE's next week, that includes advanced mathamatics, do you realy think i want to be juggling numbers in my spare time? Seriously though its not so much the actual number juggling but finding out the numbers for each nation being played. Which is becoming a pain because google is so damn unhelpful at times.

Like I said, I can do it, I don't mind juggling the numbers at all, and I can find most of the numbers because they will be relative, rather then actual, which would only unnecessarily complicate things.

[pevergreen]

I can roleplay the united nations, as an impartial party. They would want the balance of power to remain, and peace.

I would find that fun! What countries would follow the UN sanctions and so on...I probably wouldnt, even if i made them! :grin2:

[Greyblades]

Technically you all are the UN or at least you will be RPing UN represetatives.

[navarro951]

So when is this whole thing getting under way anyway?

[Greyblades]

This games not dead!
I just got word that my PC is fixed right now and I'm waiting for my wallet on legs to go fetch it so I can start sorting out the maps and Role PMs. Oh and if theres anyone wanting to join in nows the last chance.

[Greyblades]

Ok boys I have my PC back and a break in exams after tommorrow so I should be back on course by friday after I finish my gaming binge.
Something to tide you over for afew seconds:
https://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7798/mapu.jpg
It was a rough do over so if there are any mistakes with it tell me before I finalise it.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Awesome (must resist urge to comment on mistake in name.....)

[Greyblades]

Like I said It was a rough do over.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I know, looks perfect actually. this is going to be awesome.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I see a whole bunch of trading partners for China, just in Asia alone. :bounce:

[White_eyes:D]

Just know....I will not tolerate Chinese or U.S.S.R aggression...:smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

And just whose aggression will you tolerate?

[White_eyes:D]

You have a point there.....:sweatdrop:*goes back to a typical Middle-eastern opinion* NO ONE'S!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

China minds its own business, unless you mess with trading partner of China. Then you in big trouble.

[White_eyes:D]

Who is your trading partners??:juggle2: (isn't that pretty much everyone??)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everyone who signs a trade agreement with China. And information kept confidential. We trade with some not very trustworthy people. Like Great Britain.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I was going to give you back hong kong within twenty years as a sign of good faith, but now I see that we arent "trustworthy" guess what, 70 years!!! maybe a century if you keep this up! :laugh4::laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

So let's say....U.S.A declares war on GB.....well you help U.S.A. or help GB??:juggle2:

[Greyblades]

Yep china is/was trading with nearly everyone in 1980.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/PRC_relations_commencement.PNG
The darker the colour, the older the agreement (apart from the yellow and grey that was post 1980.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

So let's say....U.S.A declares war on GB.....well you help U.S.A. or help GB??:juggle2:

Who is to say we will even help?

It depends on how good they have treated China, and the rationale for war. But as you can see, Great Britain already on thin ice regarding Hong Kong issue. It is a shame they do not want to try the route of friendship.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

what route of friendship, your government has been trying to scare us out of Hong kong for a very long time. if you came to us with a offer maybe we could talk. launching Terrorist attacks only succeeds at angering us. I am willing to have friendship, are you?

[Greyblades]

So let's say....U.S.A declares war on GB.....well you help U.S.A. or help GB??:juggle2:
From what I learned they most likely wouldnt get involved at all and just wait until GB is destroyed and Hong kong becomes unclaimed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

what route of friendship, your government has been trying to scare us out of Hong kong for a very long time. if you came to us with a offer maybe we could talk. launching Terrorist attacks only succeeds at angering us. I am willing to have friendship, are you?

If you cling to the past, then that is where you will remain.

China wishes that all Chinese people live under Chinese rule. Great Britain need not continue it's imperialistic policies. Release Hong Kong to the protection of China, and our diplomatic relations will greatly improve.

We may be willing to send you some trade goods in compensation for the next 20 years. It depends on how reasonable your demands are.

[Zim]

Nice map. :2thumbsup:

India is offering trade agreements to all that will accept, even those unpleasant neighbors to our west (that is, our immediate western neighbor, Pakistan ~;p ).

[Beskar]

:cry: Zim is picking on me.

[Zim]

TheFlax, actually. And he deserves it. ~;p

[RoadKill]

Beskar, I am suppose to be Canada, not D.I.Y :thumbsdown:

[Beskar]

Greyblades is going to love you, calling him, me.

[TheFlax]

TheFlax, actually. And he deserves it. ~;p

I do? Hmmph. If I wasn't so politically correct, I would utter a few racial slurs right now! I hope you feel properly chastised. :laugh4:

[Death is yonder]

Since when was I playing this game as Canada eh? :clown:

[Beefy187]

Since when was I playing this game as Canada eh? :clown:

What are you again?

[A Very Super Market]

Hai guise i has ur oyl

[navarro951]

so ya...when is this starting again?

[Beefy187]

so ya...when is this starting again?

Map is done. Seeing as Greyblades havn't show up to comment, I'm guessing hes working the roles as we speak.

[ULC]

From the trade map with China, it appears I cannot trust Greenland. I should have suspected something when they told me their Nations name was "Greenland", but I like giving people the benefit of doubt. Fools, thinking you could fool me! Feel the might of the Re- Uh, I mean USA! Now, to help all those cold and starving people in Iceland - must remember to bring plenty of space heaters...

[Jolt]

What are you again?

God.

[Greyblades]

Map is done. Seeing as Greyblades havn't show up to comment, I'm guessing hes working the roles as we speak.

Um... No I was sleeping.:sweatdrop: I do have a GCSE exam in 2 hours so I dont think I will be able to start in maybe 3-4 hours..
Sorry about the map mix ups but with the exams I've been going to bed... Early, for once, and so i've been tired earlier in the day than usual.

[ULC]

Um... No I was sleeping.:sweatdrop: I do have a GCSE exam in 2 hours so I dont think I will be able to start in maybe 3-4 hours..
Sorry about the map mix ups but with the exams I've been going to bed... Early, for once, and so i've been tired earlier in the day than usual.

Don't worry, I'll get the drafts done and you can then finalize them when you get back, minimizing your work load.

Then we can get to the nitty-gritty

[Greyblades]

Well heres the corrected map:
https://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7798/mapu.jpg

[ULC]

Ugh, someone please be Australia and Brazil at least - I count 16 players, we should get 4 more at least. And who is France?

[Greyblades]

God da... ugh I knew I missed something. Give me a minute.

Done!
https://img231.imageshack.us/img231/379/mapuz.jpg

[shlin28]

Hmmmm....I can commit to this game up to 4th of July, then I'm on holiday :shame: Dunno if that would be enough to in the game.... probably not though. :sweatdrop:

[Greyblades]

Hmm... You seem to like playing religious roles so how about you play the Holy see?

[shlin28]

Even better... North Korea :beam:

That way, if I leave suddenly, it still follows history correctly :devilish:

I'm only joining if you need more players though, I still don't know if I will have long term internet accesss on holiday... so you can consider me a back-up player.

[Greyblades]

Ok then, I'm going to need a south korea player to counter balance though.

[ULC]

Ok then, I'm going to need a south korea player to counter balance though.

So, final four Countries should be North Korea, South Korea, France, and Brazil? Cause otherwise the Western Hemisphere feels rather empty :sweatdrop:

[Greyblades]

Uh, no, we allready have a france.

[TheFlax]

A Central America/South America country should now be the priority.

[Greyblades]

Oh [insert curses here] its allways something getting in the way. *sigh* Dont expect role pms any time soon.

[Greyblades]

Hmm it seems the sites up and running again. Can't say I like the sterile feeling I'm getting from the blue and grey colour scheme.

[Iskander 3.1]

Hmm... You seem to like playing religious roles so how about you play the Holy see?

Does he get holy hand grenades?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

thank god this place is up again, so when are we hoping to start this up, a couple of weeks or what? I am willing to start whenever, but I realize some people are extremely busy.

[Beefy187]

Australia is part of Japan.

[White_eyes:D]

What are you? Empire of the Rising Sun? (off C&C:red alert 3)

I don't recall the Aussies, getting beaten by them.....

[Beefy187]

What are you? Empire of the Rising Sun? (off C&C:red alert 3)

I don't recall the Aussies, getting beaten by them.....

Beefys hidden fantasy empire.
Japanese deserves a time off in the sandy white beach, and boxing match with Kangaroos.

Anyways, I plan to be fairly peaceful this game.

[White_eyes:D]

Oh.......well do you mind if I take Australia, then?:P

[Greyblades]

Just so you know, the ANZUS treaty will force the USA to join in on australias side should you attack it or new zealand.

[Beefy187]

Oh.......well do you mind if I take Australia, then?:P

As long as we get continuous supply of goods.

Oh and Brisbane!

And NZL

[White_eyes:D]

Just so you know, the ANZUS treaty will force the USA to join in on australias side should you attack it or new zealand.

Don't worry;P new treaty's have been formed.....not even America can move freely with the stuff I have in place.....

[Khazaar]

Umm, have roles been sent out? I haven´t received one I think. As with my example I´m willing to create the ratings for the different countries and setup basic gameplay mechanics.

[Beskar]

You know, this game will come to a point that we should do make a computer program to simulate the affects of actions, as it will really get to a point that it will be too much number crunching for poor Greyblades to handle.

[Greyblades]

Don't worry, I'll get the drafts done and you can then finalize them when you get back, minimizing your work load.

Then we can get to the nitty-gritty

I'm waiing for YLC to finish the drafts before I do the roles so that the national traits I am thinking of don't screw up everything he's doing with the economy aspect.

[ULC]

I'm waiing for YLC to finish the drafts before I do the roles so that the national traits I am thinking of don't screw up everything he's doing with the economy aspect.

*Switches to street urchin voice*

"I wee bit more time sir, I promise I'll have em done today, I promise!"

[pevergreen]

I MUST BE THE UNITED NATIONS TO BALANCE THE POWA!

But yeah, we definately need the ANZACS as a force (Aus & NZ)...didnt someone want them earlier? and Brazil...
RECRUIT GUISE OMG.

[Greyblades]

*Switches to street urchin voice*

"I wee bit more time sir, I promise I'll have em done today, I promise!"

Dont want to bother you but I'm not sure how much longer I can wait.

[Khazaar]

I´m still willing to churn out the stats and basic rules, if you want.

[Greyblades]

Do you think you could PM me a draft of your rules so I can look it over?

[Khazaar]

If the forum doesn´t break, I will...

[Beskar]

I think per round, nations get more powerful based on certain things. For example, trade with nations increases the % they get money wise. Then money can either be used for either - military, economics, domestic situation. Different nations have different starting variables. Domestic situation plays a part on far drastic your actions can be, with results of revolts and rebellions. Economy percentage plays a part on how much it grows/shrinks/stays same. Military plays a part on how powerful your military is.


Best idea would to spread sheet it all. So it would be minimum effort for host.

[Greyblades]

Updated OP to incorporate a basic millitary mechanic.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

all sounds great

[Greyblades]

YLC I'm still waiting.

[White_eyes:D]

Could just PM him.....:juggle2:

[Ignoramus]

If you need a Brazil - I'll volunteer.

[Beefy187]

If you need a Brazil - I'll volunteer.

Yay!

Now we need a Australia

[Greyblades]

Huh, I was unaware that the Australians or Brazilians actually mattered in the cold war.

[Ignoramus]

Huh, I was unaware that the Australians or Brazilians actually mattered in the cold war.

They don't. But the tourists had to go somewhere.

[Beefy187]

Huh, I was unaware that the Australians or Brazilians actually mattered in the cold war.

The map looks vacant without someone playing them

[Beskar]

Also, remember this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

[Greyblades]

Looking at that all I can see them doing is constantly complaining about nato and warsaw. Heck out of those 100 plus countries the only ones thats could become/ is a somewhat effective millitary player is china and india.

[pevergreen]

So I can be the UN?

Sweet!

[Greyblades]

Uh no the UN is not going to be a player. In a way its going to be what I will use to represent the NPC's. Beides your west germany, remember?

[Greyblades]

OK then I have just finished off YLC's and Drizzt's Roles and man are they long! This is probably going to take afew days seeing as I'm trying to relax after finishing off the exams.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

wow, I am so awesome! :2thumbsup: go Britain! now I know what my trade good is, who wants some special forces training!

[Greyblades]

I just got a... reminder... that I'm going to a funeral up in the midlands on friday... I wont be active from tommorow until at least saturday... sorry guys but I'm realy not in the mood to do any work on this right now...

[Iskander 3.1]

It's ok Greyblades, we just hope that you're alright.

[pevergreen]

Uh no the UN is not going to be a player. In a way its going to be what I will use to represent the NPC's. Beides your west germany, remember?

I know im WG.

But...but...I would be impartial and stuff...


Awww..:shame:

[Greyblades]

Hey I'm back I've done Blackadders Role PM and I'm one paragraph away from finishing Pizza's one. Allthough its kinda tough deciding what trade good China should have.

[Khazaar]

Spices, cheap labour?

[A Very Super Market]

Every manufactory good...

[Greyblades]

You have a choice of Ireland or Sweaden the rest are taken john.


Every manufactory good...

Its not that simple, I need to actually have an effect for the item I choose and well the Chinese aren't exactly willing to dole out the a grade stuff to trading partners.

[Greyblades]

Figures, I break through the writers block 10 minutes before I pack it all in for the day. Ho-hum ATPG check your PM box.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It look like China need protection of allies this game. :help:

[pevergreen]

DO YOU COMMUNICATE WITH EAST GERMANY?

MWHAHAHA

[Greyblades]

@ATPG: Huh? What makes you say that?
@Pever: What?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I read my role PM of course. Check your inbox.

[Greyblades]

Ah, I see, well its not as bad as it looks as it's 1-5 not 1-10.

[pevergreen]

Apparently WG wouldn't talk with countries that dealt with EG. For a while at least.

[White_eyes:D]

Did Greyblades finish...is this still going on???:juggle2:

[Greyblades]

No and yes.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

It look like China need protection of allies this game. :help:

If you want allies, then who better to talk to then the UK? especially if you want help against any pesky spies, we can guarantee you wont have many sabotage attempts when we are helping you out. :beam:


and are we going to have an Ireland now? that should be fun! just don't come north and we should not have any problems.

[Greyblades]

Huh? Why has johns post been deleted?

India's done. Man this is time consuming.

[Jolt]

Portugal can provide protection and International support to China...For a price.

[Zim]

My trade good is certainly interesting. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

As soon as all role PMs are out, China's ambassadors will be at your disposal to discuss business.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

very good. perhaps we can work something out that will be to the benefit of both of our people.

[Greyblades]

Ugh, I just finished Japan and I'm going on to turkey... I think I'm going to need some suggestions on what abilities they should have though.

[ULC]

Ugh, I just finished Japan and I'm going on to turkey... I think I'm going to need some suggestions on what abilities they should have though.

The ability to not be confused with Chicken, and to cook with some Greece.

Sorry, couldn't help myself :laugh4:

[Greyblades]

Naughty YLC:whip:
Seriously though I realy am going to need suggestions as I only have a faint idea on what the capabilities of turkey is now let alone in 1980. I'm not too happy about japan either but I'm not doing that again.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

well uhhh, they had a lot of wheat.... thats pretty much all I got. I never paid much attention to turkey.... :sweatdrop: you could probably add how the USA has a lot of missiles and troops in trukey during the cold war (in case the Russians ever attacked) although I don't know for sure.

[Zim]

Not sure if it helps but Turkey's economy liberalized quite a bit in the '80s. Maybe something about economic growth?

[Beefy187]

I openly declare my self to be on the opposite team of TheFlax

[Greyblades]

Japan vs paksitan... This should be interesting.

[White_eyes:D]

Doesn't Turkey have some ICBM's???:juggle2: I want to nuke Beefy for trying to harm the MEC:furious3:

[Greyblades]

Uh no, they are host to some of the USA's nukes but they dont actually have any power over them.

[White_eyes:D]

I could seize them....and Nuke Japan.....:evilgrin:

It's very possible.....:yes:

[TheFlax]

I openly declare my self to be on the opposite team of TheFlax

:cry:

[Greyblades]

I could seize them....and Nuke Japan.....:evilgrin:

It's very possible.....:yes:

The american government is extremely paranoid, you would have a hell of a time not rendering them inert trying to get their launch codes. And I dont think I need to say how much of a stupid idea it is to piss off a superpower.

[Beefy187]

I could seize them....and Nuke Japan.....:evilgrin:

It's very possible.....:yes:

Pakistan isn't even part of the middle east :smash:

Its ok TheFlax.. I'm nice to anyone who surrenders without a fight.

[White_eyes:D]

Pakistan isn't even part of the middle east :smash:

You sir....just earned yourself a Holy War.....:smash:

[Beefy187]

You sir....just earned yourself a Holy War.....:smash:

I meant geographically :sweatdrop:
I know they are Muslims.

We are peaceful country!

[TheFlax]

They expanded the Middle East just for me. Aren't they nice Beefy? Unlike someone here. :smash:

[Greyblades]

Turkeys Role PM is looking pretty bare...

[ULC]

Turkeys Role PM is looking pretty bare...

Make Turkey lukewarm - even in everything. A jack of all trades so to speak.

[Greyblades]

I'll give him the nato standard but it still needs at least a trade good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Turkey trades lots of kebab.

[ULC]

Turkey trades lots of kebab.

China exports fail I believe, maybe we could have turkey export win?

[Greyblades]

What do you mean?

[Askthepizzaguy]

He means he doesn't want to trade with China. :shame:

[ULC]

What do you mean?

Mild joke, but Turkey could export defensive arms (Turkey likes shotguns as much as the US for some reason :laugh4:), handing out a general defensive bonus, or a bonus to prevent being ambushed.

[Greyblades]

Done! Finaly! Thank you unspecified diety!!! Yay I can now get back... to... aww.

[Beefy187]

They expanded the Middle East just for me. Aren't they nice Beefy? Unlike someone here. :smash:

I would be forced to be mean if the Jihadist come anywhere beyond the Ganghis river :inquisitive:
Japan, along with China is destined to be the peace keaper of Asia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Those who make war in Asia are not friends of China.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I would be forced to be mean if the Jihadist come anywhere beyond the Ganghis river :inquisitive:
Japan, along with China is destined to be the peace keaper of Asia.

not sure how they could do that, because to get to asia they would need to go through india..... :whip: which isn't going to happen. Ever, MEC or no MEC.