Twitter discussion

[stratigos vasilios]

It's probably the first look we've gotten at the campaign map's water...now we know it's confirmed as blue!...

But in all seriousness that boat does look damn good. Amazing to see great detail in the little things.

[Horatius Flaccus]

I don't think that's the campaign map's water...

The boat does look good!

[Populus Romanus]

What is this? I am so confused.:bigcry:

[B-Wing]

Didn't know EB2 was going to impliment 3D naval battles. :)

[Tux]

Didn't know EB2 was going to impliment 3D naval battles. :)

Of course but we won't release that functionality to the public. :P


I don't think that's the campaign map's water...

The boat does look good!

Duh, it's just a water material used for the render in 3ds max.

[Ca Putt]

ah so it's the model for the unit card from an other angle!

[Tux]

No, it's for the new 3d naval battles!!!

[vollorix]

So, while everybody is expecting the mtw2 based EB2, the team secretly is preparing to switch over to the Shogun engine? Great! :)

[XSamatan]

Actually Shogun is just a side project of some members who are somewhat linked to that area.

[Tux]

Actually Shogun is just a side project of some members who are somewhat linked to that area.

Exactly, like the whole team for example except me.

[nazgool]

new twett :)

What a pity that even his birth date is based on speculations... https://img508.imageshack.us/i/zoroaster.jpg/ ~Atraphoenix

I found this site http://www.crystalinks.com/z.html. They have interesting info that
His birthday is celebrated on March 21, as part of the Persian New Year Festival.. Maybe this is date of new preview :)

[stratigos vasilios]

Model for the Lusitanian basic light infantry unit is finished. The soliferrum, Quesada IV sword and caetra are the main features. - JMRC

Awesome! How goes the Arevaci units?....

and


Yet another fantastic eastern unit, with maces and scales, by Alin and Gustave. Another faction's 1st release roster is nearly done. - JMRC

Beyond cool. This sound awesome!

[Skullheadhq]

I think another means EBII is progressing nicely.

[QuintusSertorius]

Here's a random question on the unit models. I can understand the temptation to make them all beautiful, as many of the units in EBI were. But I noted a throwaway note in this article (http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sarson/Iphikrates1.html):


...This I believe was Philip's first military innovation: providing the Balkan bronze pelta with a shield grip in the Greek manner positioned so that the hand was right at the rim of the shield. The length of the Greek spear, as carried by Iphikrates' men, had been limited by the requirement for it to be wielded in one hand, but with a two handed grip it could now be lengthened even further and become a true pike. Providing his army with even these arms would have overtaxed the finances of the country at the time, and no doubt only officers got the full kit of greaves, pike, bronze shield and helmet. Even they would not have had armour for the torso, and rear rankers probably had to be content with bare legs or boots (krepides), a cheap mass-produced wicker pelta and a helmet fashioned from leather.

Emphasis mine. There's a general point here about uniformity and completeness of each soldier's panoply. I note we already get some variation with the models we've seen, something the new engine does.

Is there scope within the range of models for each unit for there to be men who are more poorly-equipped mixed in? Would the modellers even be interested in making them? I don't know about the limits of the M2:TW engine, would it be possible to put them at the back?

[XSamatan]

Is there scope within the range of models for each unit for there to be men who are more poorly-equipped mixed in? Would the modellers even be interested in making them? I don't know about the limits of the M2:TW engine, would it be possible to put them at the back?
1. Sure, the historians look for this very strictly
2. Well, an artist always wants to get good results, so in a way they don't want to, but they have too ;)
3. AFAIK, no.

XSamatan

[B-Wing]

Also, don't forget that there are multiple "grades" of phalanx units available to each Hellenic faction.. For me, these are enough to suitably represent the varying quality of arms and armor amongst individual soldiers.

[stratigos vasilios]

Finished a general model for one of the undisclosed factions. ~Tux

Oooo which one? The Belage? The Arevaci? The Thyssagetae...(hey I can try can't I!)

[QuintusSertorius]

Also, don't forget that there are multiple "grades" of phalanx units available to each Hellenic faction.. For me, these are enough to suitably represent the varying quality of arms and armor amongst individual soldiers.

Variation with in the same phalanx is more interesting, to me.

[fomalhaut]

Variation with in the same phalanx is more interesting, to me.

if you watch the Romani preview, there is some clear distinctions between wealth/armor just within the horseman unit. some are wearing just a half tunic with their chest and shoulder bare, while someone right in front of him was in a full linen cuirass with a full shirt under. You do mean to want to show that sort of diversity, right?

because certainly there is diversity in the hastati in that preview too, but they seem about the same level of relative wealth. you seem to want to show not just armor diversity but a diversity that reflects the wealth disparity between members of the same unit?

[QuintusSertorius]

if you watch the Romani preview, there is some clear distinctions between wealth/armor just within the horseman unit. some are wearing just a half tunic with their chest and shoulder bare, while someone right in front of him was in a full linen cuirass with a full shirt under. You do mean to want to show that sort of diversity, right?

because certainly there is diversity in the hastati in that preview too, but they seem about the same level of relative wealth. you seem to want to show not just armor diversity but a diversity that reflects the wealth disparity between members of the same unit?

I was referring very much more specifically to state-equipped phalanxes where you might have men at the back who were nowhere near as well-equipped as the more trustworthy men at the front. In the quote we're even talking no greaves and a flimsy shield. I don't know whether they were even relevant any more in our timeframe.

I did notice the variations in equipment in the previews/videos, but in general they were equivalent rather than better/poorer.

[nazgool]

# Another sweboz unit finished, the Skutjans, a small peak at it: http://bit.ly/gjfHJE ~Tux about 18 hours ago via web


Hehe, sweboz archer with black pox ?? :mad:

[Genava]

Pffff, I want a new preview as apology!

[bobbin]

I was referring very much more specifically to state-equipped phalanxes where you might have men at the back who were nowhere near as well-equipped as the more trustworthy men at the front. In the quote we're even talking no greaves and a flimsy shield. I don't know whether they were even relevant any more in our timeframe.

I did notice the variations in equipment in the previews/videos, but in general they were equivalent rather than better/poorer.

We do have variations in armour within a unit which cover what your after, for example some of the soldiers in the Thureophroi unit have linothorax while other only get a simple tunic, it cannot be too drastic though as this will make them harder to stat.
We cannot control the position of the soldiers in the unit.

[QuintusSertorius]

We do have variations in armour within a unit which cover what your after, for example some of the soldiers in the Thureophroi unit have linothorax while other only get a simple tunic, it cannot be too drastic though as this will make them harder to stat.
We cannot control the position of the soldiers in the unit.

Cool, that's what I was thinking.

[nazgool]

General what are your orders? - Moros
about 2 hours ago via web
Hmmmmmmm :thinking:

[stratigos vasilios]

Quick nazgool, Moros has asked you for orders! Get him to do something!

[Populus Romanus]

Quick nazgool, Moros has asked you for orders! Get him to do something!

-impersonates said general-


"Give them a highly informative, factual, unambiguous, and relevant piece of information."


-/impersonation-
Hehehe...I gots ya now.

[Tellos Athenaios]

How about: you can't fool me?

[Tanit]

"These aren't the druids you're looking for"

[Moros]

He's got me there. Oh well... this thread now has 1030 posts, our twitter has 318 tweets and 398 followers.

[nazgool]

Some news from twitter :)

Finished the skins for a lusotannan unit. Great model by JMRC. - Gustave

[stratigos vasilios]

"These aren't the druids you're looking for"

These aren't the druids we're looking for...

[Tanit]

Move along . . .

[Populus Romanus]

He's got me there. Oh well... this thread now has 1030 posts, our twitter has 318 tweets and 398 followers.
Wait - that worked? Let's be a little more ambitious this time...

Give us a useful, truthful, unambiguous piece of information pertinent to undisclosed new features made possible by the M2TW engine.

Muwahahahaha....

[nazgool]

Finished a skin for a lugian unit, a basic archer unit and a peak at it: http://bit.ly/hnkran ~Tux
about 3 hours ago via web
Another great skin Tux :) Thank you for sneak peak :)

[Horatius Flaccus]

Yes, great work Tux!

[B-Wing]

Wow, that's one rough looking Lugian. Looks like he's seen too many battles.

[fightermedic]

great work on the detail guys!
you really know how to do the grey-brownish style of the low class units to have it look realistically !

[fomalhaut]

wow! i prefer my units like this than the almost plasticy look of the Generals and Officers, i just don't feel for them as much as for this dude who got pulled from his farm :P but seriously that is some really nice detail, muuuch better than vanilla mtw

[Tux]

I hope this peak was better than the Sweboz archer.:laugh:

[fightermedic]

no.. sorry you will have to post another one

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Beautiful detail on the tunic. You can see individual stitching running through. This is simply a marvelous job!

[anubis88]

That guy looks depressed because he's a lousy dressed archer in poor weather on a never ending campaign... He looks almost real :)

[fomalhaut]

That guy looks depressed because he's a lousy dressed archer in poor weather on a never ending campaign... He looks almost real :)

yeah!!

i also hope the fancy dressed generals and officers do have some scuffs and such on their armor, they looked straight from the cleaners in the previews:P

[Ibrahim]

That guy looks depressed because he's a lousy dressed archer in poor weather on a never ending campaign... He looks almost real :)

in other words, he looks like a guy who realizes he's a loogie.... :clown:

[XSamatan]

i also hope the fancy dressed generals and officers do have some scuffs and such on their armor, they looked straight from the cleaners in the previews:P

Well, then you'll have to look closer ;)
There are battlemarks, e.g. on shields....

[fomalhaut]

i did! the Roman officer certainly looks perfect though, but i'm just nitpicking. the work is really good when the criticisms are aimed at the amount of dirt or scuffs on the armor.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Wait - that worked? Let's be a little more ambitious this time...

Give us a useful, truthful, unambiguous piece of information pertinent to undisclosed new features made possible by the M2TW engine.

Muwahahahaha....

We fix the lookup table associated with the unit descriptions. If you know your total war history, you might appreciate the following. Assuming you have M2TW you can see this one for yourself: use the M2TW unpacker and then examine the contents of data/text/export_units.txt in a hexeditor. You will find that at the end it contains a series of keys which correspond to the description keys needed for Vanilla RTW 1.0 to function. The number of keys divided by 3 (the description format stipulates 3 items for each unit) gives you the number of units in RTW Vanilla: 265.

[Populus Romanus]

We fix the lookup table associated with the unit descriptions. If you know your total war history, you might appreciate the following. Assuming you have M2TW you can see this one for yourself: use the M2TW unpacker and then examine the contents of data/text/export_units.txt in a hexeditor. You will find that at the end it contains a series of keys which correspond to the description keys needed for Vanilla RTW 1.0 to function. The number of keys divided by 3 (the description format stipulates 3 items for each unit) gives you the number of units in RTW Vanilla: 265.

Sweet!


How about: an unambiguous answer to the question; " what is one new undisclosed unit that will be in EbII from a yet undisclosed new faction (I am not asking for the name of the faction)?

[bobbin]

A horseman.

[XSamatan]

i did! the Roman officer certainly looks perfect though, but i'm just nitpicking. the work is really good when the criticisms are aimed at the amount of dirt or scuffs on the armor.

Dirt and blood will be placed on the units in battles. Remember that the presented units are the top-level of their faction, why should a wealthy Carthaginian or Roman commander dress himself in tarnished equipment?

XSamatan

[Gustave]

Dirt and blood will be placed on the units in battles. Remember that the presented units are the top-level of their faction, why should a wealthy Carthaginian or Roman commander dress himself in tarnished equipment?

XSamatan

Indeed, there's a world between a general and a levy unit...

[Populus Romanus]

A horseman.

Now give me the native unit name with the English unit name, in an unambiguous manner, and also truthfully.:creep:

[Moros]

Now give me the native unit name with the English unit name, in an unambiguous manner, and also truthfully.:creep:
Well that depends on which unit and which faction you're talking about...

[stratigos vasilios]

Tweet from the man above*:

The Arab general is putting on his Armour. Awesome work by manhenhamanhenha! - Moros


*Not to be confused with an almighty power, but the poster above :juggle2:

[Populus Romanus]

Well that depends on which unit and which faction you're talking about...

I command Moros to interrogate bobbin using his psychic mind powers to discover what unit and which faction he (bobbin) was referring to in his earlier post ("a horseman"), and then report back here with the native and English unit names.

[bobbin]

But you told us to do this.


How about: an unambiguous answer to the question; " what is one new undisclosed unit that will be in EbII from a yet undisclosed new faction (I am not asking for the name of the faction)?

[Tellos Athenaios]

I have a suspicion this problem is NP hard. And I wanted Moros to finish EB 2 instead. :no:

[Populus Romanus]

But you told us to do this.
Yes, and you answered "a horseman". I asked for the native unit name and English unit name, but Moros did not know what unit you were referring to, so I told him to find out from you so that he could give methe answer.

[Moros]

Stopspammingoz is the german name, but Bobbin not being a german historian doesn't know what it means in English...

Anyway lets get back to our twitter updates hmmm?

[stratigos vasilios]

Update us with a tweet to get us back on track...

[moonburn]

twit us with a ridle about a undisclosed faction (my answer is syrakuse if it´s a civilized faction or arevaci if it´s a barbarian one)

[Populus Romanus]

If Moros posts the riddle I will not even attempt to solve it.:embarassed:

[moonburn]

If Moros posts the riddle I will not even attempt to solve it.:embarassed:

considering i already answered whatever the ridle is it makes it pointless :\

[nazgool]

Another new very interesting tweet :)

Implemented the throwing axe. - JMRC about 8 hours ago via web

[QuintusSertorius]

Interesting indeed. Be interesting to see how they look in flight, having different properties to javelins, arrows and slingshot.

[moonburn]

Another new very interesting tweet :)

throwing axe = french = franks = belgium/germany = either the chatii will be in or a belgic faction will be in take your picks
(amazing deductive powers i got hey)

[Arjos]

A question in line with franciscas: is it true that they "bounced"?

[XSamatan]

throwing axe = french = franks = belgium/germany =
a regional unit?

:)

[Moros]

Moonburn, we're baffled.

[stratigos vasilios]

Who is manhenhamanhenha btw? Moros your hamdehamdeha right?

[XSamatan]

manhenhamanhenha (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?52935-manhenhamanhenha) is a very talented artist in our team.

XSamatan

[moonburn]

i know xsamatan but i was in the mood to go into hyperbolization so i took things out of context just for the sake of it :\ besides one of you could sleep and write wtf and then i would know i was on the right track (anyone here ever played werewolf ?)

[stratigos vasilios]

Finished base model which will serve for 4 iberian heavy infantry units (early+late versions of the jav+sword and jav+spear types). - JMRC

Always awesome to read some sort of progress report!

[fomalhaut]

i can't wait to see some eastern units, especially the Persian Archers and Archer Spearmen! the persian archers are the prettiest units in the game and i mean that in a manly way, just kidding, i mean that in a delicate support infantry role way.

[TheLastDays]

Oh yes, I like persian archers... a shame they never visited the british isles :D

[Phalanx300]

Wasn't the Francisca invented much later then EB's time frame?

Whether it bounced I don't know, I've seen this program on tv say so. Who knows.

[bobbin]

They same question came up in the TWC forums so I'll just quote my answer from there.


They weren't the only ones to throw axes you know.

[TheLastDays]

They weren't the only ones to throw axes you know.

Which is exactly what I thought when I read the conclusion that franciscas would mean some germanic or belgic tribe.
I mean, my knowledge about these things is limited but throwing an axe was surely not a new thing some day A.D. and no one ever got the idea in the centuries before.

[Arjos]

I wasn't implying that those twitted were franciscas, I was just asking about them :P
Who might've thrown an axe during EB's time? I don't know, can remember axes among the Baltic, Anatolia, Volcae...

[fomalhaut]

throwing an axe seems like an awful waste for many people (levies..). a certified axe thrower would have to be pretty rich? own a lot of tool sheds? i am being dead serious here. i know how cheap axes are to make but not WAR axes designed specifically for chopping or throwing at human beings and not for other uses

[Moros]

When we preview or add an axe throwing to one of our releases be sure to find a lot of historical and archaeological information about it and expect information to back it up as well.

[Arjos]

throwing an axe seems like an awful waste for many people (levies..). a certified axe thrower would have to be pretty rich? own a lot of tool sheds? i am being dead serious here. i know how cheap axes are to make but not WAR axes designed specifically for chopping or throwing at human beings and not for other uses

Given how war axes were the poorer choice to arm oneself I doubt it...

[QuintusSertorius]

throwing an axe seems like an awful waste for many people (levies..). a certified axe thrower would have to be pretty rich? own a lot of tool sheds? i am being dead serious here. i know how cheap axes are to make but not WAR axes designed specifically for chopping or throwing at human beings and not for other uses

A throwing axe and a war axe are two different things.

[fomalhaut]

yet still distinct from the axe a man uses to chop wood

[Ca Putt]

own a lot of tool sheds? Arthur two sheds Jackson?

[nazgool]

Hot news :)

Finished the sweboz slinger model, now to skin it. ~Tux
5 minutes ago via web

[nazgool]

Another great new from iberia :)

Finished model for 2 iberian elite units (inf+cav). Heavy armour, pectoral disks, caetras, splendid helmets, soliferrum and swords. - JMRC
Personally i put on Iberi Curisi and Loricati Caetrati.

[QuintusSertorius]

yet still distinct from the axe a man uses to chop wood

Three different things, but a throwing axe and hachet aren't wildly different from each other. Certainly cheaper than a war axe and probably a woodcutter's axe too, being smaller and using both less metal and less wood.

[Skullheadhq]

Throwing axes? Is this even historically accurate? I have never read about anything like this in the ancient world.

[moonburn]

wierd considering that the franks came from holland/belgium and they had many troops trowing axes at the romans to get gaul (when you need to pierce trough heavy armour arrows aren´t all that effective)

[Skullheadhq]

wierd considering that the franks came from holland/belgium and they had many troops trowing axes at the romans to get gaul (when you need to pierce trough heavy armour arrows aren´t all that effective)

Franks in EBII? This keeps getting weirder and weirder.

[TheLastDays]

There'll be no faction called Franks, well... at least I predict that ^^ - it only said that there's a throwing axe somewhere, for all we know it could be a celtic unit from Gaul or a new Pahlavan unit (You know what I mean...) - so we don't know what to expect there but what I expect from past experience is that, if there's a guy throwing an axe in EBII, there probably was a guy throwing an axe between 272 BC and 14 AD.

[Horatius Flaccus]

Throwing axes? Is this even historically accurate? I have never read about anything like this in the ancient world.

Moros:


When we preview or add an axe throwing to one of our releases be sure to find a lot of historical and archaeological information about it and expect information to back it up as well.

[stratigos vasilios]

EB2 map layout almost done. Lots of hard work and research! - Tanit

A preview and map progress? Madness!

[Constantius III]

wierd considering that the franks came from holland/belgium and they had many troops trowing axes at the romans to get gaul (when you need to pierce trough heavy armour arrows aren´t all that effective)
Actually, the francisca is most plausibly a weapon of Roman origin.

[Ludens]

Actually, the francisca is most plausibly a weapon of Roman origin.

Interesting. Could you give a source?

[Constantius III]

Interesting. Could you give a source?
Sure. G. Halsall, "Archaeology and the Late Roman Frontier in northern Gaul: the so-called Föderatengräber reconsidered" (collected in Halsall, Cemeteries and Society in Merovingian Gaul (Leiden; Boston, 2010)):


[174] Weapon-burials: A 'Germanic' trait?

So we move onto these weapons, the other key support for the 'Germanic' identification, leading to a grave like Dieue-sur-Meuse 101 being called 'Germanic' on the sole basis of the fact that it has a (Roman) spear in it.48 There is nothing of 'Germanic' origin in this grave, or its contemporaries on the site, or in the rituals used. Michel Kazanski has recently argued that the weaponry in these graves is overwhelmingly of Roman origin, and that where external influences can be detected they as often come from the east as from Free Germany.49 Even the axe, the most common of all weapons in these graves (and, again, much more common in Gallic than in north German weapon burials), long held as being a clearly 'Germanic' weapon,50 is probably late Roman, as numerous written references attest.51 I would suggest that the axe is a cheap, mass-produced side-arm, perhaps for limitanei.

[...]

49 Kazanski, 'L'Équipment et le materiel militaires', pp. 37-54.
50 Even in ORz, p. 200.
51 Axes used by the Roman army: Amm. Marc., Res Gestae 19.6.7, 26.8.10; Vegetius, De Rei Militari 4.46; Notitia Dignitatum Or. 11, Occ. 11 (illustrations of the Magistri Officiorum for east and west); Scriptores Historiae Augustae, Caracalla, 4.i. See also the cavalryman's tomb from Gamzigrad on the Danubian frontier, which depicts the deceased carrying an axe whilst on horseback: P. Southern & K. Dixon, The Late Roman Army (London, 1996), p. 93. I am grateful to Dr. Jon Barlow of the University of Sydney for some of these references, though we will have to differ on their interpretation. Note, too, that no source refers to pre-settlement Franks using axes, not even Ammianus' detailed account of Julian's Frankish wars. Ulrich Dahmlos, in his seminal article, ''Francisca-Bipennis-Securis'. Bemerkungen zu archäologischem Befund und schriftlicher überlieferung.' Germania 55 (1977), pp. 141-65, expressed surprise that no franciscae were known from the Frankish homelands. His surprise was misplaced; the true francisca is clearly, even from archaeological data, a fifth-century north Gallic development.
This is part of a general argument that weapon-burials were not a 'Germanic' trend, inasmuch as the practice is just as uncommon in 'Free' Germany before the fourth century as it is in Gaul, and significantly more uncommon after that. He also argues (in another book, Barbarian Migrations and the Roman West) that the 'Frankish' construct probably stems from the Roman army on the Loire River in the late fifth century, and that that Loire army basically metamorphosed into the Salians of Childeric and Clovis, regardless of prior 'ethnicity' among the soldiers in the army (which certainly contained 'Frankish' and 'Roman' soldiers). Halsall's a bit of a revisionist (he and Kulikowski get up to hijinks together) but he's no Goffart and he's definitely one of the main authorities on fifth-century north Gallic archaeology.

[stratigos vasilios]

3 tweets!


Finished model for a lusitanian elite cav unit. Padded armour, soliferrum, falcatas, caetras and montefortino/iberian helmets. - JMRC


Finished a slinger unit for the Sweboz and Lugii faction, a peak at them with the unit cards: http://bit.ly/joW50z http://bit.ly/m5YXzH ~Tux

and


Made some standard models for a secret faction... ~Tux

Spoilt.

[Ca Putt]

hmmmm that sounds as if:
there is no other Germanic Faction(so no Chatti, Cherusci, or Cimbri And it is less likely that there is going to be a belgae faction) not that the chances were that high anyway

[Arjos]

That roman axe argument is somewhat fantasious...
The army in those years was made up of germanic people, and the standard equipment was paid and made by the Romans...
Weapon and ceramic burials in the whole of central Europe trace back to the dawn of mankind almost, with the battle axe being a status symbol for thousands of years...
That the Frankish genesis is related to the roman army is most likely, but calling a late roman weapon "purely roman" is an exageration...

[Ca Putt]

but calling a late roman weapon "purely roman" is an exageration. just late?^^

[Arjos]

ahahahahah indeed XD

[TheLastDays]

Exactly, most roman weapons were taken and sometimes improved from others...

And I don't think the chances for a third germanic faction were really high at any time...

[LusitanianWolf]

Can't wait to see how the new/reworked Lusos, Sweboz and Lugione units look! And to put them into action ^^
And curious about the "secret faction" Tux is talking about... Whatever it is, surelly will be interesting :)
I would like to see more of the so called european "barbarian" factions but it would be fair if the next big preview is something in the east since we dont have any there yet.

[Constantius III]

That roman axe argument is somewhat fantasious...
The army in those years was made up of germanic people, and the standard equipment was paid and made by the Romans...
Weapon and ceramic burials in the whole of central Europe trace back to the dawn of mankind almost, with the battle axe being a status symbol for thousands of years...
That the Frankish genesis is related to the roman army is most likely, but calling a late roman weapon "purely roman" is an exageration...
Yeah, the army wasn't comprised even mostly of "Germanic peoples" in any meaningful sense until maybe the last ten years of the WRE's existence. And when the only indication that a given weapon was produced by anybody other than Romans is a story in Isidore that we know to be made up, then it's probably safe to call it a 'Roman weapon'. Keep in mind also Halsall's rhetorical employment of hyperbole to get the point across to people like Bernard Bachrach.

And curious about the "secret faction" Tux is talking about... Whatever it is, surelly will be interesting :)
I would like to see more of the so called european "barbarian" factions but it would be fair if the next big preview is something in the east since we dont have any there yet.
Yeah, but "geographic balance" ain't the only consideration. I imagine the EB team will preview a faction when they have enough material to make such a preview meaningful, with geography a secondary or tertiary consideration.

[Arjos]

The only ones I'd go as far as calling them roman weapons are the scutum, pilum and corvus; but still quite a stretch...

[bobbin]

We don't have enough work done on the eastern factions to give you a proper preview yet I'm afraid.

[LusitanianWolf]

The only ones I'd go as far as calling them roman weapons are the scutum, pilum and corvus; but still quite a stretch...
Wasnt scutum copied from celts/iberians? XD


We don't have enough work done on the eastern factions to give you a proper preview yet I'm afraid.
Well, everything in its due time, thanks for the clarification anyway :)

[Arjos]

Well you know, let's give them some credit for the tilted edges and rectangular shape...

[LusitanianWolf]

:laugh4:
Well you know, let's give them some credit for the tilted edges and rectangular shape...
Ah, ok, youre right :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

Well, the romans adapted wapons more than they invented them, I guess... but after all, they weren't trying to be known as inventors, they were trying to build an army to conquer and defend... a lot... and in that they were pretty effective the way they were doing thins...

[moonburn]

herm there where 2 pila a heavy one and a light one i believe the light one was keltik (the same kind that the gaesatae use) and the heavy one i got no clue (probably keltik or etruscan anyway)

as for the corvus i believe the original idea came from queen teuta of illirya where should would tie 4 lembos together and make a boarding manouver the romans just adopted the best way they could find to turn sea batles into land batles the same way as the illiryans did except that punii marines had axes so using boarding hooks was inefective and they went crazy on the subject altough the corvus+storms (a combination) sunk more roman boats then the carthies in the entire 1st punic war wich proves they sucked at invention (not to mention the corvus seems strangly something more suited for archimedes of syracuse so maybe they took the idea from the mythical claw that protected syracuse´s harbour)

they where good at adapting no doubt about it but they used trial and error

[Arjos]

Yeah I've mentioned those as the only ones I could find they really "added" something...
As far as I'm concerned the real roman weapons were politics and copulating like rabbits, coupled with the fact of not killing eachother as often as the rest of societies...

[fomalhaut]

well could you sort of compare Rome to the cities it surrounded? they formed cute little alliances and stuff but mostly fought between eachother, it just seems that Rome somehow could exert huge influence and dominance in a way not possible in the Pelopenese

[stratigos vasilios]

Another update


Well, when they are low polygon, walls and roofs aren't so hard to model . . . - Tanit

[Horatius Flaccus]

That would be VERY cool!

[fomalhaut]

i love what he is implying

[Puupertti Ruma]

Buildings. Yay!

[fomalhaut]

i don't want to get too excited but i do love the idea of not fighting in medieval cities

[LusitanianWolf]

i don't want to get too excited but i do love the idea of not fighting in medieval cities
x2
Oh Great Tanit, protect us from that nightmare!

[fomalhaut]

btw, have wonders been discussed at all? i know they will be in as buildings and such, but i mean battlemap models or little symbols representing where they are? it would be so cool to fight in MTW2 engine in the Pyramids, which i don't think are even in MTW2

[nazgool]

Another news from twitter

The forest is trembling... - 1 hour ago
Maybe Sweboz preview is coming ? ;)

[LusitanianWolf]

Another news from twitter

Maybe Sweboz preview is coming ? ;)
Hope so! =D

[Blxz]

Another news from twitter

Maybe Sweboz preview is coming ? ;)

Maybe they did a new model for an axe weapon? =)

[Skullheadhq]

A woodcutters unit perhaps? That could explain the trembling of the forest.

[Tux]

Actually:
https://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8659/39118291.png (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/39118291.png/)

[nazgool]

Nice work ;)
German special force - ancestor of GSG9 :D

[Populus Romanus]

Actually:
https://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8659/39118291.png (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/39118291.png/)

No wonder the Romans never conquered Germania. lol

[LusitanianWolf]

Actually:
https://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8659/39118291.png (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/39118291.png/)
Pure awesomeness!
Hope it have the Berserker trait XD

[fomalhaut]

these what if units are getting out of hand!!!!! :D

[Populus Romanus]

This is why EBII has yet to be finished.:whip:

[moonburn]

shouldn´t that weapon be a stihl :? thats not very deustch of that german warrior :\ not to mention he has dark body hairs and looks ugly like hell :\ i know a few dudes that look like that dude and they´re all latins or greeks not germans

[Constantius III]

Well, technically, nobody on the team said it was a German AoR unit. <_<

[nazgool]

More news from Iberian Peninsula :)

Finished model of another iconic Iberian unit. Well armoured, oval shields, metal helmets and greaves, spears and falcatas. - JMRC 7 hours ago

[Tux]

Well, technically, nobody on the team said it was a German AoR unit. <_<

You guys don't know how to read the small details...

[nazgool]

We know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebian_knot :)

One more new twitt

A clubman model got finished. ~Tux
10 minutes ago

[Cybvep]

Just a random question - will EB2 use the features of the Kingdoms expansion or will it be MTW2 only?

[Tux]

Just a random question - will EB2 use the features of the Kingdoms expansion or will it be MTW2 only?

Kingdoms w/ latest patches.


We know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebian_knot :)



Hehe at least one.

[LusitanianWolf]

GOGO twitter, work in my 2 fav EB1 factions (ok, iberia don't mean Lusos but who care's, I'm all for another/s iberian faction/s)!




Hehe at least one.
I saw that too but thought it was way too obvious and that should be some hidden meaning elsewhere, probably what is writen in the chainsaw (that I couldnt read). XD

[bobbin]

not to mention he has dark body hairs and looks ugly like hell :\ i know a few dudes that look like that dude and they´re all latins or greeks not germans

I'd like to see your proof that Germans can't be ugly or dark haired?

[Tux]

I'd like to see your proof that Germans can't be ugly or dark haired?

Yeah, didn't knew Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't Deutsch.

[fightermedic]

Yeah, didn't knew Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't Deutsch.

well since he is in fact a Austrian guy i wouldn't be too suprised if there would be running a good part of eastern european blood in his veins ;)
just wild speculation from my side of course :D
people living in germany of course ALL are (and allways have been) fair and blue eyed.. couldn't imagine it any other way :P (for those that didn't notice: beware! sarcasm!)

[fomalhaut]

weird how hitliers propaganda can still affect our perceptions of an entire people who live in the boundaries of a state :P

[moonburn]

well since he is in fact a Austrian guy i wouldn't be too suprised if there would be running a good part of eastern european blood in his veins ;)
just wild speculation from my side of course :D
people living in germany of course ALL are (and allways have been) fair and blue eyed.. couldn't imagine it any other way :P (for those that didn't notice: beware! sarcasm!)

it´s almost as absurd as calling bayern part of deutschland they should be called upper austria :\

anyway i was just making a remark i noticed the hairknot but the fact that today germans have like everyone else intermingled with others and no longer have per se those phisical caractheristics doesn´t mean that in the past such "interminglings" where normal and to find someone wich "southern" caractheristics in a sweboz warband seems wierd to me also tux what is it written in that modern axe :?

[Ca Putt]

well not every germanic was blond(or red haired) it was just much more common amung Germanics(and celts) than romans and greeks to have blond or red hair, which explains why "we" were often discribed as blond.

tho I found a different "wrong" detail. As EB stands for Historical accuracy I think you should refrain from giveing a suebi unit a swedish chainsaw, Dolmar would be the logical choice. ;)

[stratigos vasilios]

A clubman model got finished. ~Tux

Hopefully not with a chainsaw...

[Tux]

tho I found a different "wrong" detail. As EB stands for Historical accuracy I think you should refrain from giveing a suebi unit a swedish chainsaw, Dolmar would be the logical choice. ;)
Damn and I hoped mirroring the text would hide that...


Hopefully not with a chainsaw...
As you wish, something even better:
https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9905/10728967.jpg

[stratigos vasilios]

As you wish, something even better:

LOL! Outstanding from you Alin.

[LusitanianWolf]

Damn and I hoped mirroring the text would hide that...


As you wish, something even better:
https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9905/10728967.jpg
http://aoe.heavengames.com/siege/MapDesign/SpecialUnits/Pictures/11.jpg

Photon Man on EB? How will the e=mc2 trooper look? Gaesatae with a FGM-148 Javelin? XD

[Gustave]

Photon Man on EB? How will the e=mc2 trooper look? Gaesatae with a FGM-148 Javelin? XD
I think he's the big daddy :beam:

[LusitanianWolf]

I think he's the big daddy :beam:
I gess youre right :laugh4:

[athanaric]

it´s almost as absurd as calling bayern part of deutschland they should be called upper austria :\Austria is only a part of Germany where they speak a funny dialect. Similarly, the Czech want to hide the fact that they're actually Germans by speaking an obscure language.



anyway i was just making a remark i noticed the hairknot but the fact that today germans have like everyone else intermingled with others and no longer have per se those phisical caractheristics doesn´t mean that in the past such "interminglings" where normal and to find someone wich "southern" caractheristics in a sweboz warband seems wierd to me also tux what is it written in that modern axe :?
Intermingling is as old as humanity itself. Some basic traits and features do exist though and have probably existed since Homo sapiens first settled this part of the world. For example, Northern Germans are not only fairer (by colour, I mean) on average than Southerners, but also tend to have different faces. Southern Germans have a greater variety of colours ranging from light blonde to black-haired types, even darker skin. They can resemble pretty much any ethnic group from Scandinavia to Spain to Afghanistan. By contrast, most Northerners look a lot like Scandinavians. I'm fairly certain that these characteristics, though perhaps a little less extreme back in EB's timeframe, predate the modern age.
Also, Schwarzenegger IMO displays a typical look of Alpine/Southern German types.

[Tanit]

Love the AOE jokes.

[athanaric]

Will you be able to replicate the capybara cannon from AoE 3, too?

[Kuningaz]

Austria is only a part of Germany where they speak a funny dialect. Similarly, the Czech want to hide the fact that they're actually Germans by speaking an obscure language.

I hope you're kidding. :inquisitive:

[fomalhaut]

so i've been reading the Steles all day and i just realized that i can barely contain my excitement for EBII anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGH

and the new factions, i think they are so swell.

Massilya (you can tell in EBI that this must have been on the tipping point of being a faction. so much work in the regional units)
Boii (yayayay eastern celts)
Lugiones (more germanics, yessss)
Bosphoron Kingdom (wowzers! such an interesting faction)
Pergamon (another successor is great, i mean it!)
am i missing anyone?
which faction are yall most excited for? i want to play the Bosphoron Kingdom or Boii the most

[LusitanianWolf]

Lugiones and Boii! But every other faction seems so interesting that only EB1 can keep me away from madness! I hope NOM gets released soon to ease a bit the pain!

[Populus Romanus]

I knew it! You are not actually making EBII at all. This is one giant hoax while you make minigun models! :stare:

[LusitanianWolf]

Finished several unit skins - Gustave
:jumping:

[stratigos vasilios]

am i missing anyone?

Pritanoi? I'm pretty keen on them. I'm not sure whether I'm more keen on playing immediately or just reading all the info associated with buildings/wonders/units/etc.

[fomalhaut]

I wouldn't consider Pritanoi new, they are replacing Casse. so new in content but are not taking up one of the coveted slots. Just like whatever is replacing (?) the Koinon Hellenon wouldn't really be considered a new faction.

[Blxz]

I wouldn't consider Pritanoi new, they are replacing Casse. so new in content but are not taking up one of the coveted slots. Just like whatever is replacing (?) the Koinon Hellenon wouldn't really be considered a new faction.

New in content is new enough for me. I even think I'll play one of the original factions first. Seriously, the new content for the romans looks sexy and I am sure there will be similar stuff for everyone else. Virtually everything is 'new' by this point.

[TheLastDays]

Yeah and what they put in for the Pritanoi is basically a new faction, all they seem to have in common with the Casse is that they're located on the British Isles

[Arjos]

Not pertinent sorry, but I can't stop laughing when I look at Tux's new signature XD

[LusitanianWolf]

Not pertinent sorry, but I can't stop laughing when I look at Tux's new signature XD
x2 :laugh4:

[XSamatan]

He deserves that!

[moonburn]

hey don´t diss hairstylists some of those girls are very atractive

as for the factions massilia won´t be a new faction however there might be the syracusans (like a 7% chance and everytime moros says no it drops another percentual point) and a syracusan faction is at least militarly viable and if they appear then their victory conditions include massilia (probably or hopefully a mission to reconquer alalia from the dirty poeni ) emporion arsé and the control of the western mediterraenean islands and the defence of magna graecia

a faction that hasn´t been yeat introduced are the arevaci wich are like 85% almost certain and then there´s the illergetes wich have even less chances then the syracusans

there´s been talks of a belgic or chatti faction showing up since the pritanoi start a bit furthern north and the chanel beteween france and great britain seems too empty so alow of fans are demanding more collour around that area (chances are anyone guess i atm say 50% )

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

hey don´t diss hairstylists some of those girls are very atractive

as for the factions massilia won´t be a new faction however there might be the syracusans (like a 7% chance and everytime moros says no it drops another percentual point) and a syracusan faction is at least militarly viable and if they appear then their victory conditions include massilia (probably or hopefully a mission to reconquer alalia from the dirty poeni ) emporion arsé and the control of the western mediterraenean islands and the defence of magna graecia

a faction that hasn´t been yeat introduced are the arevaci wich are like 85% almost certain and then there´s the illergetes wich have even less chances then the syracusans

there´s been talks of a belgic or chatti faction showing up since the pritanoi start a bit furthern north and the chanel beteween france and great britain seems too empty so alow of fans are demanding more collour around that area (chances are anyone guess i atm say 50% )

I believe he refers the the Massilyian Numidians, not the Massilian Greeks.

[nazgool]

Two more tweets

Finished several unit skins - Gustave
and

Finished two more hairy unit models, well one was less hairy the egyptian Machimoi. ~Tux

[antisocialmunky]

Now all we need is Germanic Heavy Infantry with black armor, face masks, and light sabers.

[nazgool]

And another one :)

An iberian standard got modeled.~Tux

[LusitanianWolf]

And After the magnificient Sweboz preview we got this:


Saka are getting finally some love, an elite model got finished: http://bit.ly/jaJhgn http://bit.ly/llHpK2 http://bit.ly/ls7GQL ~Tux

https://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4827/28316352.jpg
Santtaclauz Uaezdaettae? :beam:

[moonburn]

hey antlers are signs of power remember the kings crown is suposed to represent the bulls horns meaning the supreme manlyhood of the 1st man of the clan/tribe

since we know that nomads love their horses more then their wifes and even their sons (with a horse you can ride to the next village and kidnap a new wife ever tryed riding a wife ??) thats a present for it´s horse a sign that he is the 1st amongst the horses

altough some of today´s russian nomads do use reindeer´s and ride them but i was always under the impression they where located around the polar artic like the one´s of finland so out of eb map (or on the fringe)

anyway that looks like an horse decorated in a pretigious way and not a mount for war consisting of reindeer

[bobbin]

anyway that looks like an horse decorated in a pretigious way and not a mount for war consisting of reindeer

There are actually depiction of horses with that type of headgear in battle, so we know it was used during combat.

[Ca Putt]

but it's only for the FL? or not?

[Tux]

No. Saka early nobles and probably other elites.

[TheLastDays]

Somehow it seems to not have posted this... I really like the detail on the weapon... Is that the main weapon? The hook like thing?

[Tux]

No, second, it's a pickaxe also called saggaris.

[athanaric]

Great to see that Saka heavy metal will make its way back into EB II. I love those pickaxes.

[LusitanianWolf]

Working with the TheTank, the Sweboz FC, to hammer out some concepts for Celto-Germanic units. - Power2the1
:2thumbsup:

[nazgool]

news from twitter

Mapping gets a little easier the more you do it - Tanit

[Lvcretivs]

Saka are getting finally some love, an elite model got finished: http://bit.ly/jaJhgn http://bit.ly/llHpK2 http://bit.ly/ls7GQL ~Tux

Really marvelous modeling, love that detailed sagaris and akinakes.


There are actually depiction of horses with that type of headgear in battle, so we know it was used during combat.

Maybe I'm a little bit late, but could you possibly share those pictorial sources/point us to the respective publications? I'm well aware that the wooden Pazyryk trappings show rather intensive 'wear and tear', but have never seen so far an really conclusive proof of their use in battle proper.

[I Am Herenow]

could you possibly share those pictorial sources/point us to the respective publications? I'm well aware that the wooden Pazyryk trappings show rather intensive 'wear and tear', but have never seen so far an really conclusive proof of their use in battle proper.

Well, here are just some of the pictures from the unit concepting thread, chosen somewhat at random (there were about twice as many pertaining to the horses alone; then more still pertaining to the other elements such as the pickaxes):

https://img718.imageshack.us/g/45186990.jpg/

I Am Herenow

Addendum: I was not the original creator of the aforementioned unit concepting thread and know nothing about Saka history; I just happen to have come across your post and thought I would answer it.

[Lvcretivs]

Well, here are just some of the pictures from the unit concepting thread, chosen somewhat at random (there were about twice as many pertaining to the horses alone; then more still pertaining to the other elements such as the pickaxes):

https://img718.imageshack.us/g/45186990.jpg/

I Am Herenow

Addendum: I was not the original creator of the aforementioned unit concepting thread and know nothing about Saka history; I just happen to have come across your post and thought I would answer it.

Thank you for your prompt response - I already knew Rudenko's excellent reconstructions of the Pazyryk finds (the first two and the last picture) and there's no doubt to the historical authenticity of such elaborate horse trappings in the EB period, but this curious Greek archaic amphora/hydria (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/508/54065953.jpg/) really puzzles me - is it from some Osprey volume? There are some rather weird iconographic aspects which make it IMHO rather unsuitable for an interpretation as depiction of such trappings in battle (naked scythians/steppe nomads using slings, their rather goat-like mounts...) and I would love to know more about this specific pictorial source.

[stratigos vasilios]

Fine tuning AOR maps to divide the Western, Alpine/Central, and Eastern European Celts into 3 overall geographical areas. - Power2the1

Very cool!

[nazgool]

New tweet

Finished the model of a swordsman unit for a "yet undisclosed" eastern faction. Swords, shields, javelins and almost no armour. ~JMRC]

[fightermedic]

New tweet
]

so who could that be?
and eastern from where?
does sound like an eastern celtic unit *ponder*

[Ca Putt]

Galatian Wildmen :DD

tho it also works for the karians(the unit)
or an arabian unit, OR Ethiopians

[LusitanianWolf]

so who could that be?
and eastern from where?
does sound like an eastern celtic unit *ponder*

Chinese Imitation Legionairs? Bartix Pandatapoi Agema? =P



Galatian Wildmen :DD

tho it also works for the karians(the unit)
or an arabian unit, OR Ethiopians
Since Moros has being talking about great changes in the arabic peninsula I'll put my bet in something like that.
Ethiopians would be cool but since there is the culture limit I gess theire only be there as regionals like in EB1..........................

[zurab]

so who could that be?
and eastern from where?

or something from areas to the East from Black Sea who knows...

[Ca Putt]

Since Moros has being talking about great changes in the arabic peninsula I'll put my bet in something like that.
Ethiopians would be cool but since there is the culture limit I gess theire only be there as regionals like in EB1... my thoughts aswell tho I personally think it's also quite likely that it's a unit for antropane or iberians(theeastern ones) just based my thoughtson what's in EB1

[stratigos vasilios]

Yeah, but we must always be vigilant as Moros is a serial pest when it comes to 'revealing' things... Tongue in cheek of course.

[fomalhaut]

let's get into semantics here he said multiple shields and swords, meaning its a multi armed unit. possibly Shiva in Gandahara province? EB better have a good explenation for this ;D

[moonburn]

kwarzhians :?

[B-Wing]

I'd guess Kartli.

[Cyclops]

I'd guess Kartli.

I smell truth.

[Moros]

Nope no Arabian unit. I'm bussy concepting the Sabaean general and officers though. Hmmm perhaps better post in on twitter instead.

[Horatius Flaccus]

New tweet! Very interesting


Concepting officers and general for Saba. -Moros

/smartass

[stratigos vasilios]

/smartass

Outstanding from you HF! Hahahaha good stuff.

EDIT: New update


Working on Galatian units & names with pallus, furthering Celto-Germanic concepts. Finished a second archer unit with a southern Gaul AOR.

Who's working with Pallus?...

[nazgool]

Some very interesting news from twitter especially this second archer unit :)

Working on Galatian units & names with pallus, furthering Celto-Germanic concepts. Finished a second archer unit with a southern Gaul AOR.

[Power2the1]

Who's working with Pallus?...

Oh man, sorry about that. It was I that made that last Twitter update. Forgot about leaving a name behind to denote who did the post. :dizzy2:

[stratigos vasilios]

Oh man, sorry about that. It was I that made that last Twitter update. Forgot about leaving a name behind to denote who did the post. :dizzy2:

Aaawww jeez! Get your act together, my goodness... :thumbsup:

[B-Wing]

Some very interesting news from twitter especially this second archer unit :)

Glad to see there may be an archer "upgrade" of some sort for the Gauls. :)

[Cyclops]

Finished a second archer unit with a southern Gaul AOR.

Bowmasters of Massiliaburg?

Interesting to see work going into Galatoi, and the Celto-Germanic stuff raises wonderful possibilities about Sweboz reforms. Maybe Belgic possibilities too?

[stratigos vasilios]

New updates!


Is baffled by the video made by MaxMazi and the units that are in it. You guys will be baffled too. - Moros

and


The 3 Celtic reforms are slowly coming into a rough outline. We'll see if they'll work with the game engine and EB2 economics - Power2the1

[Skullheadhq]

Cool! I hope there will be a new preview before the summer, because experience learns not much will happen during summertime.

[Andronikos]

Working on Galatian units & names with pallus, furthering Celto-Germanic concepts. Finished a second archer unit with a southern Gaul AOR.

oh, I believed it is a typo and he is creating a model of Tindanotae - Galatian unit with phallus :laugh4:

[stratigos vasilios]

Another progress report!


Unit stats being completely remade and balanced with help from Aradan's EDUmatic, which was tailored for EB2. ~JMRC

EDIT: More news


Finished the model of a General for a yet undisclosed faction. Can't give details or I may give the faction away... :-) ~JMRC

[Mr. Stuka]

EDUmatic? that sounds fancy!

[fightermedic]

EDUmatic? that sounds fancy!
one of the best tools you can get your hands on when modding total war, really!

[stratigos vasilios]

one of the best tools you can get your hands on when modding total war, really!

What is it btw? What does it do? I have no idea when it comes to modding.

[bobbin]

What is it btw? What does it do? I have no idea when it comes to modding.

It's a excel spreadsheet tool that allows us to easily the unit stats in a balanced and consistent way, an incredibly useful tool to have. A huge thank you to Aradan who made it and customises it for EBII.

[stratigos vasilios]

Update!


Working on the UI for the barbarian culture: http://t.co/ojKMunl ~Tux

[Tux]

Update!
You're like an eagle...

[Arjos]

Argh the bugged zoom mini-map, is that Ptolemy's in the background?
Also looking at the date, that should be the Gaza campaign, and nice it stretches until Dacia!

[Foot]

Argh the bugged zoom mini-map, is that Ptolemy's in the background?
Also looking at the date, that should be the Gaza campaign, and nice it stretches until Dacia!

Not quite. You might notice that view from the camera does not match what should be appearing based on that map. That's another map altogether that is being used for testing. We just haven't got the minimap sorted for it. Sorry to disappoint.

Foot

[Ca Putt]

yay the nebra sky disc instead of a hourglass :)

[Arjos]

Oh well, still happy to see new progresses ^^

[Ibrahim]

Update!

beautiful map style-even for a test map. I'll be looking forward to warring on it! :smile:

but I have a question on the Nebra disc: isn't it antiquated, even for EB? unless I'm mistaken, I remember the Nebra disc being a millennium or two older than the start of the game.

[Moros]

It is. Possibly it may still be replaced if something more suitable is found to fit in.

[Maeran]

The curbstone from Newgrange next to it is even older. But it does look right. And it is a nod to the sophistication that people forget the 'barbarian' lands ever had.

[stratigos vasilios]

Update!~


Time to finish working out some ethnicities once and for all. - Moros

[Ibrahim]

It is. Possibly it may still be replaced if something more suitable is found to fit in.

Don't get me wrong, it looks good; I'm just wondering if there was anything younger. I do agree with Maeran that the Newgrange Curbstone looks great.

till then, the ethnicities will be worth looking forward to.

[stratigos vasilios]

More news


Expanded a faction's history. -Moros

[Skullheadhq]

More news

Uhhh, that was an informative update :clown:

[Ibrahim]

Uhhh, that was an informative update :clown:

the news place has more news :clown:

[Karo]

I love screenshots! I've just made about 50. Now... what to do with them? Hmm... ~MaxMazi

Maybe post them here?

[Moros]

Maybe post them here?
You have no idea how thrilling screenshots of a Solitaire game are!

~;)

[MaxMazi]

Maybe post them here?
I am not sure solitaire screenshots are appropriate for this thread! :wink:

[Moros]

I am not sure solitaire screenshots are appropriate for this thread! :wink:
I think I just found me a partner in crime!

[moonburn]

if it´s twitable then it deserves being here

[stratigos vasilios]

if it´s twitable then it deserves being here

No he's just a twit...(aimed at Moros...oh yeah I wen't there...:thumbsup:)

[Karo]

Now, i finished a movie. I also love movies. And the units in it are superb! Now, where i should put this movie? ~MaxMazi~

Wonder when we'll see it?

[Moros]

No he's just a twit...(aimed at Moros...oh yeah I wen't there...:thumbsup:)
Well so much for previews. ~;)

[MaxMazi]

I think I just found me a partner in crime!
I see you tonight in front of the jewelry store. Remember to bring your guns.

@Karo: Soon, very soon... but then again, i may be wrong. We'll see.

[dajarvi]

Not quite. You might notice that view from the camera does not match what should be appearing based on that map. That's another map altogether that is being used for testing. We just haven't got the minimap sorted for it. Sorry to disappoint.

Foot


Testing map...hmm. I hope the actual game map has less desert and more Baltic! :sweatdrop:

[Moros]

I see you tonight in front of the jewelry store. Remember to bring your guns.

I've got myself two Five-sevens and a P90 LV which should do the trick. But I'll bring my FN40GL as it's always fun to see the policemen's faces when you start using it.

[Karo]

I see you tonight in front of the jewelry store. Remember to bring your guns.

@Karo: Soon, very soon... but then again, i may be wrong. We'll see.

Can't you guys buy us a dinner or something before you fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu us over :D

South Park reference if you don't get it

[Moros]

Can't you guys buy us a dinner or something before you fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu us over :D

You're not getting an ipad.

[LusitanianWolf]

Stay tuned in our forums (ORG and TWC). We're preparing something awesome for the next days. ~JMRC
1 hour ago
That would be a excelent graduation gift (presuming nothing will go wrong) :2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

[Karo]

You're not getting an ipad.

Damnnnnnnnn

[MaxMazi]

That would be a excelent graduation gift (presuming nothing will go wrong) :2thumbsup::2thumbsup:
With your graduation i am sure nothing will go wrong.

[stratigos vasilios]

I've been checking these forums every 2 hours since JMRCs tweet! :jumping:

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

I've been checking these forums every 2 hours since JMRCs tweet! :jumping:

Keep doing so, and you may get lucky...

[MaxMazi]

I've been checking these forums every 2 hours since JMRCs tweet! :jumping:
You aren't motivated enough, 2h seems a big break for me.

[NIKOMAHOS]

You aren't motivated enough, 2h seems a big break for me.

I agree with you my good friend Max but if he will check every minute his hurt will break and we will need an ambulance to get him in the hospital...

If he is lucky enough then very soon he will ask your address, he will get a TAXI and come to give you a big hug and some kisses in order to thank you!!!

NIKOMAHOS

[moonburn]

calm down vasilios they always make previews during the weekends at night must be the fact that the dudes normally making the previews are from northern europe and they have wierd schedules to make :\ i mean seriously wich barbaric country doesn´t give it´s citizens 4hours lunch time so they can nap before returning to work ... barbarians i tell you worse then animals

[NIKOMAHOS]

I gave it a second thought.
Maybe he will not find a TAXI but he could ride a horse. Or even a chariot. A sheep would probably be small for him but a cow?
Who knows???:builder2:


NIKOMAHOS

P. S. An armoured elephant would cost him too many Mnai so it is not a solution.

[MaxMazi]

calm down vasilios they always make previews during the weekends at night must be the fact that the dudes normally making the previews are from northern europe and they have wierd schedules to make :\ i mean seriously wich barbaric country doesn´t give it´s citizens 4hours lunch time so they can nap before returning to work ... barbarians i tell you worse then animals
Barbarians, ha? You will not get the extra cookie! :)