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Sasaki Kojiro
11-06-2009, 00:57
^ and you know what they say about asian drivers...... at least he isnt a female asian driver. :clown:
I saw a documentary about driving in japan once. I'll see if I can find some images, they were pretty good drivers though.
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here:
https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7323/tokyotouge.jpg
Be careful on those mountain roads beefy.
He's learning to drive, give him a break.
:stare:
My missus recently finished driving school (yes in Japan) doesn't require much other than money.
pevergreen
11-06-2009, 03:51
Sigurd was out on the town that night, drowning his fears, hopes, and aspirations in a sea of cheap booze, dirty dancing, and tight dresses respectively. As Sigurd staggered out of the tavern and began staggering home, completely broke but happy, he ran across a red x painted on the side of a road. “Hmm, that’s odd” Sigurd thought. If Sigurd had been in his right mind, perhaps he would have thought more of it, but of course, Sigurd was smashed drunk. And so, blithely, he stepped onto the red x. Immediately, he heard a swooshing sound into the air, and arrow hit a bystander nearby, killing him instantly. Sigurd rushed over to help, but it was to late. Attached to the arrow was a scroll, reading “Told you so Sigurd.”
The crowds gathered at dawn, waiting an announcement. All the rumour was about how though no one had died, there was much activity last night. Some proclaimed the madness over, but with only two people dead, they knew this could not be true.
Front and centre was the focus for this morning, as Prince Arutha was crowned Arutha the First, King of the Kingdom of the Isles.
All the people watched and smiled, except for one, Major Robert Dump woke up with a splitting headache, and could not remember anything that had happened last night. As he rose, realising he was late, a robed figure blocked the door. He moved his hands, murmuring ancient words and sent a lightning bolt straight through Major Robert Dump .
It is now Day 2. Phase will end at 1:00pm GMT+10 (just under 25 hours from now)
Results will be going out soon.
Alive: 40/43
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Beskar
atheotes
death is yonder
Sigurd
Sprig
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
Centurion1
johnhughthom
Iskander 3.1
Yaseikhaan
Elite Ferret
A1_Unit
Chaotix
AskThePizzaGuy
Subotan
Tratorix
Reenk Roink
Csargo (Ichigo)
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
Khazaar
Andres
Greyblades
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Beefy187
Karo
YLC
Renata
Crazed Rabbit
Lord Winter
scottishranger
Shlin28
Zain
rhawn
KukriKhan
CountArach
Dead: 1/43
Major Robert Dump
Lynched: 2/43
White_Eyes:D
LittleGrizzly
edit: 1:15pm (post made at 12:51pm) all nights results are out.
Major Robert Dump
11-06-2009, 05:48
Did he at least yell "Lightning Bolt!!!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw
pevergreen
11-06-2009, 05:59
If he did, it would have been the lightning bolt voice sound from the end of The Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising.
Beefy187
11-06-2009, 08:26
It is not day yet and you can't abstain :furious3:
Can I do it now? :smash:
Vote: Abstain
He's learning to drive, give him a break.
:stare:
Yup... Though I must confess I'm not driving stick like real man should. Meh, AT is easier.
Can I do it now? :smash:
Vote: Abstain
アブステインじゃない
pevergreen
11-06-2009, 10:36
Can I do it now? :smash:
Vote: Abstain
Reread what he said as two statements. You cant vote then as its night, and you can't abstain or vote no lynch.
THEY ARE NOT OPTIONS.
Beefy187
11-06-2009, 14:05
アブステインじゃない
いいじゃん少しくらい:beam:
Not bad Sprig. Not bad at all.
I'll random vote instead then.
Unvote, Vote: YLC
As shall I, :bow:
Vote:Iskander 3.1
Vote:Sprig
I don't trust Moonspeak :stare:
Vote: Beefy
For pretending to not know the rules again.
Sigurd was out on the town that night, drowning his fears, hopes, and aspirations in a sea of cheap booze, dirty dancing, and tight dresses respectively. As Sigurd staggered out of the tavern and began staggering home, completely broke but happy, he ran across a red x painted on the side of a road. “Hmm, that’s odd” Sigurd thought.
If Sigurd had been in his right mind, perhaps he would have thought more of it, but of course, Sigurd was smashed drunk. And so, blithely, he stepped onto the red x. Immediately, he heard a swooshing sound into the air, and arrow hit a bystander nearby, killing him instantly. Sigurd rushed over to help, but it was to late. Attached to the arrow was a scroll, reading “Told you so Sigurd.”
Told me what?
Who are you and why did your attack fail? Spent too little time at the archery range, is that it?
Did pever write this or was it my assailant?
GeneralHankerchief
11-06-2009, 16:13
Vote: Beefy
Centurion1
11-06-2009, 16:27
vote: sigurd goes to a rehab center
Death is yonder
11-06-2009, 17:08
Vote: Shlin28
Randomness is king!:idea2:
Askthepizzaguy
11-06-2009, 17:15
I'm so lost, I'll just bandwagon.:dizzy2::sweatdrop:
vote:White_Eyes:D
Vote: A1_Unit
In my opinion, you need to die.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-06-2009, 17:33
Vote:GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
11-06-2009, 17:40
Unvote:GeneralHankerchief, Vote:A1_unit
I forgot, let's vote a lurker today. A1 always lurks.
vote: sigurd goes to a rehab center
Come back to finish the job, eh??? So you reason for voting me is ... surviving an attack?
Vote: Centurion1 - Minwanabi with crappy dexterity.
vote:Jooray
You vote me, I vote you. Vote: Elite Ferret. :juggle2:
Sorry, no other interesting choices present at this time.
As I wander through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil. That's doesn't mean I'm no blinkin clueless. I'll follow ATPG's lead and vote A1_Unit.
I'm open to suggestions, I'll even flip if its just because said perpetrator doesn't put the toilet seat down to his soggy bottomed wife's dismay.
I havn't voted A1_Unit yet? Thought i had.... Vote: A1_unit
Vote: Shlin28
Randomness is king!:idea2:
Vote: Death is yonder
Revenge vote is king :idea2:
Our strategy of randomly voting for people and hoping that they will reveal themselves is foolproof.
Double A
11-06-2009, 21:47
Gah! Vote: Sprig!
That's for losing as the black knight!
Why A1_unit specifically out of all yesterday's bandwagoners, ATPG?
vote: Yaseikhaan for not answering the question I asked him.
Askthepizzaguy
11-06-2009, 22:43
Why A1_unit specifically out of all yesterday's bandwagoners, ATPG?
Because he said: "I'm so lost I'll just bandwagon."
1. There's not much to be lost about. There's no claimed detectives accusing people, and nothing much is really happening.
2. It reeks of total insincerity
3. If you don't know who to vote for, at least let the people paying attention decide, don't bandwagon. That's like you're trying to get an innocent killed.
4. He voted for a claimed roleblocker/protector and got him lynched before the detectives could do their job.
Bottom line it was a... (be nice...) bad vote. Seriously. It's either a townie who isn't paying attention, and this is a bucket of ice water to make him pay attention, or he's a baddie and he so needs to die. Or we can do the totally random vote plus the revenge vote thing that's going to end up working so well, because if I were the mafia (Askthepizzaguy instant deaths himself due to WIFOM) I'd sit back and let you all destroy yourselves.
I might be able to help you with Yaseikhaan, too. :clown:
*Walks over to Yaseikhaan, who is lying down on the ground motionless. Pokes him repeatedly with a stick. No reaction*
This is how he plays the game. You may never get an answer to your question. I have to commend him for at least voting. But I will be voting for him as well as soon as I get the chance, because he also voted for White_Eyes in spite of his claims, in a game where he can be protected at night and investigated.
scottishranger
11-06-2009, 22:57
I wonder, why wouldnt the mafia kill on night 1 though? I dont think this game is big enough for them to be able to recruit other players, so why not start the mayhem now?
And also, whats up with Sigurd eh?
Askthepizzaguy
11-06-2009, 22:59
I wonder, why wouldnt the mafia kill on night 1 though? I dont think this game is big enough for them to be able to recruit other players, so why not start the mayhem now?
And also, whats up with Sigurd eh?
It is possible a mafia was roleblocked, or was inactive, or they might very well have abilities besides killing. It's a bit soon to conclude anything, but speculation is welcome.
Vote:Renata
Again with OVER 9000 good reasons.
Reenk Roink
11-06-2009, 23:11
Vote: Sasaki
Killing lurkers is a terrible strategy, and I expect better from you and I also have a gut feeling that you are evil. :pleased:
Sasaki Kojiro
11-07-2009, 00:00
Killing lurkers is a good strategy.
Killing anyone is a good strategy
*Points to signature as proof*
atheotes
11-07-2009, 00:31
lack of kills could also mean inactive mafia....
vote: Khazaar
All righty then,
unvote, vote: A1_Unit
Death is yonder
11-07-2009, 02:03
Vote: Death is yonder
Revenge vote is king :idea2:
Vote: Shli-
:idea2:
:furious3:
I can't have my revenge! :cry:
Why A1_unit specifically out of all yesterday's bandwagoners, ATPG?
vote: Yaseikhaan for not answering the question I asked him.
Khaan seems to be inactive in the game room, but not in other sections of the forum, although he has only 5 other posts in other areas. His last post in the gameroom was on the 3rd of November however...
Methinks your response won't be coming soon :juggle2::juggle2:
Because he said: "I'm so lost I'll just bandwagon."
1. There's not much to be lost about. There's no claimed detectives accusing people, and nothing much is really happening.
2. It reeks of total insincerity
3. If you don't know who to vote for, at least let the people paying attention decide, don't bandwagon. That's like you're trying to get an innocent killed.
4. He voted for a claimed roleblocker/protector and got him lynched before the detectives could do their job.
Bottom line it was a... (be nice...) bad vote. Seriously. It's either a townie who isn't paying attention, and this is a bucket of ice water to make him pay attention, or he's a baddie and he so needs to die. Or we can do the totally random vote plus the revenge vote thing that's going to end up working so well, because if I were the mafia (Askthepizzaguy instant deaths himself due to WIFOM) I'd sit back and let you all destroy yourselves.
I might be able to help you with Yaseikhaan, too. :clown:
*Walks over to Yaseikhaan, who is lying down on the ground motionless. Pokes him repeatedly with a stick. No reaction*
This is how he plays the game. You may never get an answer to your question. I have to commend him for at least voting. But I will be voting for him as well as soon as I get the chance, because he also voted for White_Eyes in spite of his claims, in a game where he can be protected at night and investigated.
I can't believe you are nitpicking what I said - I'll explain then:
I have no idea what these weird names that keep popping up mean, I have no knowledge of the lore of these books, and I bandwagoned because I have no idea who is guilty so I voted for the person who was going to die anyway.
FOS Everyone who said I'm lurking: I'm not lurking; I haven't been online much lately!:dizzy2:
Askthepizzaguy
11-07-2009, 02:30
vote:ATPG
:bounce: Hit a nerve, didn't I?
Beefy187
11-07-2009, 08:21
Vote: ATPG
Sandwich. Did I spell it right?
Askthepizzaguy
11-07-2009, 09:16
Is there some reason I shouldn't be voting for A1_Unit, or are you just happy to see me?
Captain Blackadder
11-07-2009, 12:17
vote a1 unit Doing a revenge vote like that is scummy. it appears that atpg has hit something close to you and you have paniced revealing yourself to be rather scummy in my books.
pevergreen
11-07-2009, 13:40
Heeey. I was meant to be ending a phase wasnt I?
Got caught up in mindless activites. Doing it all now.
pevergreen
11-07-2009, 14:00
The second day drew to a close. The group said little, but the clear hate was towards A1_Unit. He knew not why, but it had come at him like a dog on heat. As he was executed, hope flickered out from his eyes...
On his right, was Beefy187. He was hoping for an execution like A1_Unit, but his face flickered with shame as a rope was brought out. He knew what was coming...
Alive: 38/43
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Beskar
atheotes
death is yonder
Sigurd
Sprig
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
Centurion1
johnhughthom
Iskander 3.1
Yaseikhaan
Elite Ferret
Chaotix
AskThePizzaGuy
Subotan
Tratorix
Reenk Roink
Csargo (Ichigo)
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
Khazaar
Andres
Greyblades
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Karo
YLC
Renata
Crazed Rabbit
Lord Winter
scottishranger
Shlin28
Zain
rhawn
KukriKhan
CountArach
Killed: 1/43
Major Robert Dump
Lynched: 4/43
White_Eyes:D
LittleGrizzly
A1_Unit
Beefy187
It is now Night 2. Night ends in exactly 24 hours.
Apologies for the late end to this phase.
Askthepizzaguy
11-07-2009, 16:15
Hmmm.
The second person who dies is... second in the vote tally? But we can't know that, because odds are there are people who can change the vote tally, thus why the host won't actually confirm a tally until the end of the round.
I only did a visual scan, not a full count of both day one and two, but that's my theory.
I don't have time to look, but did anyone vote for them both?
I think I have figured it out.
Both LG and Beefy abstained - there was a warning by the host not to vote abstain or no lynch.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-07-2009, 19:05
I think I have figured it out.
Both LG and Beefy abstained - there was a warning by the host not to vote abstain or no lynch.
Excellent :laugh4:
How did Reenk manage to survive?
He is a friend of pevergreen? (impartiality)
Askthepizzaguy
11-07-2009, 20:11
I would imagine perhaps only one dies by that method per round, if that's the case. That's how I would design it.
I'd say there's a powerful player around that can kill someone on the spot.
Centurion1
11-07-2009, 22:53
i think i have it figured out. allow me another turn to figure it out though. i think it a town v. mafia balancing tool.
pevergreen
11-08-2009, 00:30
I think I have figured it out.
Both LG and Beefy abstained - there was a warning by the host not to vote abstain or no lynch.
I am only tracking those who end the round with an invalid vote.
Neither LG or Beefy were killed by myself, they were lyched. If I kill anyone, a third category will appear, the WoG category.
Since people are starting to talk about investigations, time to reveal a bit more about them.
There are two types of investigations:
Type 1:
Each night you investigate a target gathers more infomation. This is the more powerful type.
Type 2:
Each night you investigate a target, you gather a little infomation. Multiple nights of this gathers different info to type 1, but is much weaker. EG: 3 nights of this type gives only a little more than one night of type one.
However, if you question and ask other people you can trust about the infomation you gather on a first investigation, it is possible to deduce who they are. Its balanced so if you use it correctly, you can identify on night 1.
Major Robert Dump
11-08-2009, 04:09
LG didn't abstain, he voted for me. Someone has an uber power. Too bad I never got to use mine. I think next time I'm a good guy I will just reveal immediately so all you paranoid meth addicts don't lightining me to death
Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2009, 04:10
Hmm, MRD is right.
The only pattern I can see is that both LG and Beefy openly stated that they found me suspicious.
Askthepizzaguy
11-08-2009, 04:44
For some reason, Sasaki seems totally, 100% innocent to me. I don't believe I will be voting for him for the rest of this game.
scottishranger
11-08-2009, 04:51
Centurion, would you mind explaining to us.
Perhaps its a day serial killer? Or who knows.
pevergreen
11-08-2009, 04:57
Centurion, would you mind explaining to us.
Perhaps its a day serial killer? Or who knows.
If it was, would not be under lynched.
They were lynched, people.
Death is yonder
11-08-2009, 05:37
Perhaps someone has the power to orchestrate a double lynch daily? :juggle2::juggle2:
My guess would be that the heads of the factions have extra votes and the top two go through to be lynched.
KukriKhan
11-08-2009, 06:06
LG didn't abstain, he voted for me. Someone has an uber power. Too bad I never got to use mine. I think next time I'm a good guy I will just reveal immediately so all you paranoid meth addicts don't lightining me to death
Heehee. As I understand it, there's a bunch of 'em (Über powers) 'round these here parts. Some folks claim that if you mention an org-valid username in a post, you die. Weird, eh?
Other folks say that's wrong;
Double A
11-08-2009, 06:18
Maybe it's a lynch for each town!
Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2009, 06:21
Maybe it's a lynch for each town!
Hmm, sounds plausible.
Major Robert Dump
11-08-2009, 07:08
Heehee. As I understand it, there's a bunch of 'em (Über powers) 'round these here parts. Some folks claim that if you mention an org-valid username in a post, you die. Weird, eh?
Other folks say that's wrong;
And here I thought you were AFK or lurking the whole time. I think what got me killed was asking certain characters to contact me....either their enemies killed me or they killed me out of meth-induced paranoia....or someone started out knowing who i was and the unique link i had and decided to sever it...like i said, i shoulda just said who i was and hoped my boys protected me.....although i was guilty of a rather grave injustice that nonetheless would have worked out to my advantage in the long run in regards to career incentives...roll the dice, lynch everyone, murder everyone, i love this game!
atheotes
11-08-2009, 10:04
Maybe it's a lynch for each town!
thats what i was thinking when reading through as well... each town is voting for one lynch. we need to tally the votes to see if we can figure out something. it 4 AM now and i am tired. i will not be able to do it atleast for the next 10 hoours.
Maybe it's a lynch for each town!
In light of the host's new information, I think Double A could be on to something.
Individually we know what faction we belong to - but we do not know if we are voting for a Midkemia character or a Kelewan character.
If Double A is on to something, how would this mechanic work? If we vote for someone who is not in our faction, will it not be counted? Or is it simply the player with most votes on from each faction that gets the noose.
Which means MRD was in the same faction as White_Eyes:D and A1_Unit and Beefy were not in the same faction.
Tallies (lynched in red):
Round 1:
White_Eyes:D : 5 (A1_Unit, MRD, Sasaki, scottish, Yasei')
MRD : 4 (Beskar, Cent.1, LG, Sigurd)
LittleGrizzly : 3 (DiY, Subotan, Zain)
A1_Unit : 2 (ATPG, Sprig)
Sasaki : 2 (Joooray, WE:D)
Sigurd: 2 (atheotes, Tratorix)
Andres : 1 (EF)
Chaotix : 1 (Shlin)
Elite Ferret : 1 (Karo)
Karo : 1 (Chaotix)
Renata : 1 (LG)
rhawn : 1 (Capt.B)
Shlin : 1 (Andres)
Sprig : 1 (Renata)
not voting: 17 ( ACIN, AVSM, Beefy, CountA, CR, Double A, GH, Greyblades, Iskander, johnhugh, Khazaar, Kukri, LW, Reenk Roink, rhawn, Split, YLC )
Round 2:
A1_Unit : 6 (ATPG, Capt.B, Renata, rhawn, Sasaki, Sprig)
Beefy : 2 (Chaotix, GH)
Sigurd : 2 (Cent1, Karo)
Sprig : 2 (Double A, Subotan)
ATPG : 1 (A1_Unit)
Centurion : 1 (Sigurd)
Death is Yonder : 1 (shlin)
Elite Ferret : 1 (Joooray)
Iskander : 1 (Zain)
Joooray : 1 (EF)
Khazaar : 1 (atheotes)
Renata : 1 (Csargo)
Sasaki : 1 (Reenk Roink)
shlin : 1 (DiY)
YLC : 1 (Beefy*)
not voting: 17 (ACIN**, AVSM**, Andres, Beskar, CountA**, CR**, Greyblades**, Iskander**, johnhugh**, Khazaar**, Kukri**, LW**, scottish, Split**, Tratorix, Yasei', YLC** )
* voted ATPG later but did not unvote first.
** no valid vote in the game yet.
Askthepizzaguy
11-08-2009, 13:02
Well, at least I was on the right track. It seemed to have something to do with the tally.
Nice thinking, Double A.
Captain Blackadder
11-08-2009, 13:07
Interesting I wonder how the mafia plays into this who do there votes count for?
Askthepizzaguy
11-08-2009, 13:12
IIRC there's a mafia for each "side" of the rift. In theory we could lynch two different mafia at once. https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/DROOL.gif
I assume their votes "count" just the same as ours. The vote totals are all that matters, I would think. Or if you mean which "town" they count for... I believe there's a corresponding mafia for both the midkemia and kelewan people.
So say if Anthony, Bob and Charles are on the Blue side of the Rift, and Duncan, Edward and Freddy are on the Red side, if Anthony, Duncan and Edward vote for Freddy, Bob and Charles vote for Edward, and Freddy votes for Anthony, then are just Anthony and Freddy lynched?
scottishranger
11-08-2009, 15:55
IIRC there's a mafia for each "side" of the rift. In theory we could lynch two different mafia at once. https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/DROOL.gif
I assume their votes "count" just the same as ours. The vote totals are all that matters, I would think. Or if you mean which "town" they count for... I believe there's a corresponding mafia for both the midkemia and kelewan people.
geesh, slobbering pizza:skull:
I like the idea of double A's. Sounds the best.
But i think were overcomplicating it. I think people from their own town and from the other town can both be voted legally.
Double A
11-08-2009, 19:55
So say if Anthony, Bob and Charles are on the Blue side of the Rift, and Duncan, Edward and Freddy are on the Red side, if Anthony, Duncan and Edward vote for Freddy, Bob and Charles vote for Edward, and Freddy votes for Anthony, then are just Anthony and Freddy lynched?
It's probably each side gets a lynch, not someone from each side is lynched. Meaning Ed and Fred are dead.
Centurion1
11-08-2009, 20:07
never mind my theory fails. i thought maybe the last person who votes gets killed as well but i dont think it adds up.
pevergreen
11-08-2009, 21:54
Once again, I must apologise for this incredible delay.
I was capped (still am, until tomorrow) to 15 kb/s download speed. 5 minutes to load a page of a thread. I'm attempting to do it now, but it may need to wait until I get to the office, so there may be an hour and a bit wait before the writeup is done.
Stuff should return to normal after that, uncapped tomorrow, no more tests etc.
pevergreen
11-08-2009, 22:03
The night was warm.
A hot breeze had come, forcing men to sleep lightly, for sound slumber was not an option.
The heat did not bother most, indeed, some were almost immune to it.
As the crowd gathered in the morning, they were amazed. Not one had died, yet a few were late coming to the meeting.
Yaseikhaan was one. He was tired, having, for some reason, been very sleepy over the last few days. As he slowly rose to another day of silence, he was startled by the figure in his doorway.
"It's been quite hot recently, hasnt it. Perhaps you'd like something to...cool you down?"
A spear of ice appeared in the figures hands, and he threw it clean through Yaseikhaan, who died quite quickly, but thankful of the refreshment.
The figure licked the water off his hands and went on to the meeting.
Alive: 37/43
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Beskar
atheotes
death is yonder
Sigurd
Sprig
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
Centurion1
johnhughthom
Iskander 3.1
Elite Ferret
Chaotix
AskThePizzaGuy
Subotan
Tratorix
Reenk Roink
Csargo (Ichigo)
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
Khazaar
Andres
Greyblades
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Karo
YLC
Renata
Crazed Rabbit
Lord Winter
scottishranger
Shlin28
Zain
rhawn
KukriKhan
CountArach
Killed: 2/43
Major Robert Dump
Yaseikhaan
Lynched: 4/43
White_Eyes:D
LittleGrizzly
A1_Unit
Beefy187
It is now Day 3. Day will end in 25 hours (minus 2 minutes)
Time to destroy the Minwanabi House...
I, a loyal servant of one of the noble Houses of the Tsurani empire, had uncovered the identities of foul, treacherous and deceitful members of that house. (who are the mafia in this game). My ability is to role block, and I have infiltrated the House by pretending to be Lord Desio's mistress :shame:.
They are Beefy, Khazar and AVSM.
AVSM is the Chancellor of the Minwanabi (who is the cousin of Lord Desio), Beefy was the Captain of the Guard and Khazaar is I believe Lord Desio, the leader of the Minwanabi House.
Evidence? My role PM:
You are Teani, a spy for your Lord Y(X) of the Z. You have infiltrated the Minwanabi House and seek to destroy it from the inside. They have no hint of your disloyalty though. Every night you may roleblock one person, which has the added effect of giving you some infomation on them.
and
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/NtRjAwbWt4nA (I gained this because the AVSM PMed me this. According to pever, I do not know their identities in the beginning, but they know me, for balance reasons)
Since I know this quicktopic is used by the Minwanabi, it wasn't hard to figure out the identities of the three people. Beefy claimed to be the guard captain, and by blocking AVSM, I learnt that he was the cousin of Lord Desio. Hence the Lord is Khazaar.
Vote: Khazaar
Nice job shlin :yes:
vote: Khazaar. Let's take down those Black and Orange dogs one by one.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2009, 22:30
We know that the minwanabi are the mafia?
Vote:Khazaar
We know that the minwanabi are the mafia?
Vote:Khazaar
From one of the host's posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2370134&postcount=88):
Kelewan: Houses a Tsurani empire. Humans, but a bit shorter. Imagine feudal Japan (honour, die by my sword etc) then you pretty much have Kelewan. 'town' is everyone really, with a head, a publicly announced Emporer, and the 'mafia' are one of the houses (The Minwanabi)
Vote: Khazaar
One mafia down then. :beam:
Askthepizzaguy
11-08-2009, 22:53
vote: Khazaar
Nicely done!
Also, I blocked AVSM on Night 1, and Khazaar on Night 2. Perhaps that would explain the lack of kills? :juggle2:
Captain Blackadder
11-08-2009, 23:05
O.k then since we get what looks like two lynchs a night lets try and got another one of them taken out at the same time.
vote beefy
scottishranger
11-08-2009, 23:08
O.k then since we get what looks like two lynchs a night lets try and got another one of them taken out at the same time.
vote beefy
*Supports this
Vote: Beefy
scottishranger
11-08-2009, 23:08
Actually, Beefy is Dead,
Vote: AVSM
Captain Blackadder
11-08-2009, 23:11
whoops that will teach me for not looking through who had died.
unvote beefy vote avsm
pevergreen
11-08-2009, 23:14
Night Results are out.
Enjoy :bow:
Results PM for Night 2:
You find maps of Midkemia on Khazaar.
So... I suppose this means that the two mafia groups are in contact with each other?
I demand that the pro-towns on the other world find the evil mafia scum!
Askthepizzaguy
11-08-2009, 23:20
This is one of those times where if we have a protection role out there, they pay attention to the thread and make sure someone is covered.
Won't work going for both of them if it's actually one lynched person per side, but trying for it would shed light on that possibility.
vote: AVSM
An interesting theory just occurred to me.
Perhaps who gets lynched is decided like this:There are 4 people, A, B, c and d. A and B belongs to World 1. c and d belongs to World 2.
Now, A is revealed to be mafia - so he gets lots of votes.
B is also incriminated - gets less votes than A.
So far, both candidates are from world 1. Perhaps the second lynch canditate is the person with the most votes from World 2? Perhaps, in order to save B, A would vote c. That would means that A and c are lynched.Absolutely crazy theory. But since we are hypothesising anyway... might as well put forward our ideas.
Perhaps, we should test this, along with other theories? Maybe we er... require a volunteer from Midkemia to be given a few votes and be the third candidate?
Or maybe I'm just rambling. Ignore me if I'm not making any sense :sweatdrop:
Edit: Make sure Khazaar gets the most votes... he is the mastermind...
Askthepizzaguy
11-09-2009, 00:04
Interesting idea.
I could see where Khazaar and AVSM could try to take someone down with them out of spite, and if they hit a Midkemian, they kill a townie for free. They are already exposed and have nothing to lose.
The situation is, we have to contend with both lynches... we have already resolved one but the other one could be used against us if we are not careful. If Khazaar and AVSM are the top two lynch candidates, who is the third?
Double A
11-09-2009, 00:13
vote: AVSM
Maybe we can get 2 today, one for each town.
Captain Blackadder
11-09-2009, 00:38
Interesting idea.
I could see where Khazaar and AVSM could try to take someone down with them out of spite, and if they hit a Midkemian, they kill a townie for free. They are already exposed and have nothing to lose.
The situation is, we have to contend with both lynches... we have already resolved one but the other one could be used against us if we are not careful. If Khazaar and AVSM are the top two lynch candidates, who is the third?
However it is possible that they will manage to hit a member of the other mafia instead since they like us are uniformed about the identities of the other mafia and what town any one of us come from so they too could vote for someone from Kelewan. Anyway I recommend we keep on the current course it will give us information on how the double lynch works.
vote:Khazaar
That seemed nice and easy Shlin :2thumbsup:
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2009, 01:33
How about we just don't vote anyone other than khazaar and avsm?
A Very Super Market
11-09-2009, 01:43
Vote: Shlin
Confirmed townie, eh?
Askthepizzaguy
11-09-2009, 01:54
Case in point, the exposed mafia will attempt to use the second lynch to their advantage if we try to focus only on Khazaar and AVSM.
I agree they should be the two leading candidates, but I wouldn't want to risk shlin28 over ignoring that possibility.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2009, 01:56
Well, is shlin from the same side of the rift as khazaar and avsm?
A Very Super Market
11-09-2009, 02:02
:wave:
Anyone else like Rush? During my time here, I've developed a liking for bass-driven music.
Death is yonder
11-09-2009, 02:20
Vote: Khazaar
Case in point, the exposed mafia will attempt to use the second lynch to their advantage if we try to focus only on Khazaar and AVSM.
I think that its entirely possibly that they themselves do not understand fully about this double lynch method, making it unpredictable, either way, Khazaar and AVSM should have the highest votes, with Khazaar to go first, just in case.
Nice find, shlin :yes:
Captain Blackadder
11-09-2009, 02:34
I must admit I do find something a bit neat about the whole thing infultraiting the mafia like that seemed a bit too easy. I recommend that tonight our investigators investigate schlin because there is a small possibilty that this is all one of the ballsiest mafia moves ever.
GeneralHankerchief
11-09-2009, 03:03
Vote: shlin
Seems like a runaway train to me. Could be too easy.
Also, yes, I like Rush. :yes:
Well, GH is either mafia or mistaken.
This seems clear enough to me, as AVSM would probably provide an actual defense if he wasn't who he is accused of being...
Vote: AVSM
Death is yonder
11-09-2009, 03:21
I must admit I do find something a bit neat about the whole thing infultraiting the mafia like that seemed a bit too easy. I recommend that tonight our investigators investigate schlin because there is a small possibilty that this is all one of the ballsiest mafia moves ever.
Is that not what Reenk did in Capo III? As a practically confirmed townie, who has pro-town leanings, he duped several mafia into revealing themselves.
He claims to be directly responsible for the multiple lack of kills, which seems quite plausible and lends credence to his story. :juggle2::juggle2:
a completely inoffensive name
11-09-2009, 04:17
Shoot, I totally forgot about this game. Ummm,
Vote: AVSM
Since that seems to be the band wagon. Sorry my Four Horseman brother.
A Very Super Market
11-09-2009, 04:28
Well, GH is either mafia or mistaken.
This seems clear enough to me, as AVSM would probably provide an actual defense if he wasn't who he is accused of being...
Vote: AVSM
Naw, Rush just unites us.
In any case, I couldn't defend myself if I wanted to. The bandwagon is so far up, and even I must admit that there are no other suspects.
Vote:AVSM. For solidarity. For fraternity. Because I cannot abstain. Sorry. I hardly knew ya.
On second thought. Unvote: AVSM vote: Khazaar
Vote AVSM
Just for the kicks of voting for a fellow horseman.
Once those two are lynched I think we should get rid of Shlin, even if he is telling the truth about this he may turn into mafia once they are gone or something like that, he'll have had his use then anyway.
Once those two are lynched I think we should get rid of Shlin, even if he is telling the truth about this he may turn into mafia once they are gone or something like that, he'll have had his use then anyway.
:inquisitive:
Scummy much?
If we didn't already know who was mafia, I'd vote you.
Also, how does this voting think work, Pevergreen? Is it how I described it? It's just because it's a bit rubbish having a brand new sparkly game mechanic, if you don't explain how it works.
:inquisitive:
It's just because it's a bit rubbish having a brand new sparkly game mechanic, if you don't explain how it works.
You don't like riddles? Only the bad guys are afraid of untimely deaths. Even the pro-town know that if you die, someone will pick up the torch and carry on.
Are you the lone magician perchance?
I was only asking since what we're doing at the minute is akin to playing Snakes and Ladders without being able to see the board. Although it is not likely to make any difference to the overall result, it's very annoying not understanding how it works.
Are you the lone magician perchance?
So asking questions about an aspect of the game which the host has not explained make me guilty? Paranoid much?
atheotes
11-09-2009, 15:59
Vote: Khazaar
:inquisitive:
Scummy much?
If we didn't already know who was mafia, I'd vote you.
yeah even I thought I sounded scummy writing that :laugh4:
I just have a hunch that Shlin will be some kind of emergent mafia or something like that. It just seems to have been too easy for him to have killed off two of the mafia at no personal cost. I'm also suspicious of how he said that he didn't know the identity of the mafia but they knew him, yet he roleblocked two of them in the first two nights? I'd like an explanation of that :yes:
Centurion1
11-09-2009, 17:20
Vote: khazzar
i dont like super big bandwagons
Askthepizzaguy
11-09-2009, 17:22
unvote, vote: Elite Ferret
Unless you start making sense, I find your comments to be quite worrisome.
unvote, vote: Elite Ferret
Unless you start making sense, I find your comments to be quite worrisome.
What is this? We need to vote for only known Tsuranuranni this round.
Askthepizzaguy
11-09-2009, 17:49
What is this? We need to vote for only known Tsuranuranni this round.
I explained myself earlier... I do not want to have any one of us killed by a single vote by the dying mafia, seeing as all the votes are against one side of the rift.
My vote does not prevent either of their deaths, but it does give us some idea of who else might be lynched besides the Tsuranuranni, and puts that choice in our hands, rather than theirs.
Am I not making sense? Does anyone get what I'm saying? Any of our good roles could end up dead by a single vote by the mafia. Can we at least try to prevent that from happening?
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2009, 17:55
Why elite ferret?
Askthepizzaguy
11-09-2009, 17:58
I am guessing based on his recent posts, he's not a special role (hopefully they are playing a bit more conservatively) and given his bizarre suspicion of shlin28, I consider him more expendable.
It's obvious at this juncture that shlin28 will be inspected by someone. It's far too soon to say "let's lynch him next".
Ultimately, the choice is this: I can sit back, do nothing, and watch AVSM and Khazaar snipe 2 votes at anyone in the game, and have a 50/50 shot of taking them out. Or, I can try to prevent that with my own vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2009, 18:09
In a game like this, shlin could be emergant mafia or something, probably knowing his character name could help, and that could be confirmed by investigation, but my understanding is that investigation is a lengthy process and might not be gauranteed to reveal all mafia.
So, his vote isn't really that suspicious.
You have as much random chance at picking out a power role as khazaar and avsm.
Currently they are voting shlin I believe, and I would assume he is the same faction as them since he tricked them into thinking he was on their side. Given what we are assuming about how the lynch system works, that would mean he is not in danger.
Askthepizzaguy
11-09-2009, 18:17
In a game like this, shlin could be emergant mafia or something, probably knowing his character name could help, and that could be confirmed by investigation, but my understanding is that investigation is a lengthy process and might not be gauranteed to reveal all mafia.
So, his vote isn't really that suspicious.
You have as much random chance at picking out a power role as khazaar and avsm.
Currently they are voting shlin I believe, and I would assume he is the same faction as them since he tricked them into thinking he was on their side. Given what we are assuming about how the lynch system works, that would mean he is not in danger.
:juggle2:
I agree that shlin may not be in danger, but about half the people in the game still are. We should not be lazy and let the mafia pick the second person to die, we should pick that ourselves.
We are going to have to pick someone tomorrow, too. Perhaps we can make tomorrow's selection today?
yeah even I thought I sounded scummy writing that :laugh4:
I just have a hunch that Shlin will be some kind of emergent mafia or something like that. It just seems to have been too easy for him to have killed off two of the mafia at no personal cost. I'm also suspicious of how he said that he didn't know the identity of the mafia but they knew him, yet he roleblocked two of them in the first two nights? I'd like an explanation of that :yes:
Erm... AVSM sent this PM to me...
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/NtRjAwbWt4nA
Hope we all have fun.
and on the recipient list there was..." Beefy187, Khazaar, shlin28 "
I waited two days because I received this when Day 1 was nearly ending, so posting a reveal at that time was useless. I spent day 2 asking pever for more information and by Day 3 I had finally found at all the identities and their roles :yes:
Edit: Don't forget also that I am a roleblocker with a minor investigative role... so lynching me would be er... bad.
I don't have a good feeling about Elite Ferret he seems suspicious and because there are enough votes for the mob dudes I'll be
Vote:Elite Ferret
Double A
11-09-2009, 23:10
unvote, vote: Shilin
There is a good chance AVSM isn't scum. I have investigative powers, and I investigated him last night. I didn't get much info on him, other than he is from the Japaneese nation and a little bit more I have yet to figure out. I will continue with a follow-up tonight, which should be enough. I just found a PM I over-looked in my in-box from pever. I guess I opened it up in a new tab, closed my Mac, and it... restarted. :sweatdrop:
Yeah, I know. But you're right. Macs do suck.
unvote, vote: Shilin
There is a good chance AVSM isn't scum. I have investigative powers, and I investigated him last night. I didn't get much info on him, other than he is from the Japaneese nation and a little bit more I have yet to figure out. I will continue with a follow-up tonight, which should be enough. I just found a PM I over-looked in my in-box from pever. I guess I opened it up in a new tab, closed my Mac, and it... restarted. :sweatdrop:
Yeah, I know. But you're right. Macs do suck.
Quote or it didn't happen.
Look at my results for AVSM when I blocked/investigated him...
You manage to pilfer a strip of black and orange cloth from AVSM.
A quick google search reveals that the mafia House has black and orange as its primary colours... combined with the other pieces of information, I think its pretty much certain that AVSM and co. are mafia :yes:
Double A
11-09-2009, 23:34
Quote or it didn't happen.
Look at my results for AVSM when I blocked/investigated him...
A quick google search reveals that the mafia House has black and orange as its primary colours... combined with the other pieces of information, I think its pretty much certain that AVSM and co. are mafia :yes:
Black and orange? Wondering what that meant... :oops:
Black and orange? Wondering what that meant... :oops:
From wikipedia....
House Colors
Acoma - Green (shatra bird sigil)
Anasati - Scarlet and yellow (triangular sigil)
Bontura - Violet and white
Ekamchi - Purple and yellow
Hanqu - Scarlet and brown
Inrodaka - Red
Jinguai - Yellow and red trimmed with black
Keda - Scarlet and grey (alt. - red and black)
Lujan - Grey and green
Minwanabi - Black and orange
Pechta - Orange and blue
Poltapara - Deep blue
Shinzawai - Blue
Tonmargu - Black and green
Tuscalora - Pale blue
Washota - Green and blue
Xacatecas - Purple and gold (alt.- purple and yellow)
Double A
11-09-2009, 23:45
Right then... unvote, vote: 1337 Ferret
And I will say this to clarify my theorey.
Player 1 (P1) and Player 2 (P2) are from Rift 1 (R1). Player 3 (P3) is from Rift 2 (R2).
P1 has 80% of R1's votes, P2 has 60% of R2's votes, and P3 has the rest.
Who is lynched?
P1 and P2. Why?
Because it doesn't matter which rift you're from, each rift gets one lynch. THAT is my theorey.
Erm... AVSM sent this PM to me...
and on the recipient list there was..." Beefy187, Khazaar, shlin28 "
I waited two days because I received this when Day 1 was nearly ending, so posting a reveal at that time was useless. I spent day 2 asking pever for more information and by Day 3 I had finally found at all the identities and their roles :yes:
Edit: Don't forget also that I am a roleblocker with a minor investigative role... so lynching me would be er... bad.
Fair enough, I still have my suspicions that you may be emergent mafia though, and even you might not know that yet. I'll agree to not vote until he has been investigated though. And just to remind some of you I haven't voted for Shlin, I voted for Khazaar...
unvote, vote Crazed Rabbit
I agree with ATPG's argument about the danger of the Mafia picking the second lynch for us, and we (or at least I) do not know that Elite Ferret is from Midkemia. Shlin wouldn't help even it were a good idea to lynch him (it's not), as he is also from Kelewan. Better to have another option on the table, and at least Crazed Rabbit is not doing anything useful.
not voting: 17 (ACIN**, AVSM**, Andres, Beskar, CountA**, CR**, Greyblades**, Iskander**, johnhugh**, Khazaar**, Kukri**, LW**, scottish, Split**, Tratorix, Yasei', YLC** )
* voted ATPG later but did not unvote first.
** no valid vote in the game yet.
Good players should not slide by with no votes.
Someone want to throw up a vote count and make sure I didn't just reduce AVSM's total below that of Shlin, in case we *can* get two for one?
Right then... unvote, vote: 1337 Ferret
And I will say this to clarify my theorey.
Player 1 (P1) and Player 2 (P2) are from Rift 1 (R1). Player 3 (P3) is from Rift 2 (R2).
P1 has 80% of R1's votes, P2 has 60% of R2's votes, and P3 has the rest.
Who is lynched?
P1 and P2. Why?
Because it doesn't matter which rift you're from, each rift gets one lynch. THAT is my theorey.
The best way to verify this is to only vote for known R1 players this round, i.e AVSM, khazaar and shlin.
If Elite Ferret goes down, we don't know if he is from Midkemia or not. If you theory is correct - only one player is lynched today. Hopefully AVSM or khazaar.
Now stop voting for EF and concentrate on the Tsuranuranni. The Tsurani Mafia is soon done for.
pevergreen
11-10-2009, 00:00
Another day had ended. Shlin had made accusations of the highest order against AVSM and Khazaar. He argued for their delivery to Turakamu, that they planned to kill the emperor.
The people fled to the votes, some changing, some staying still. At sundown, it had been decided.
AVSM was brought foward, he looked at Shlin28 and his eyes shot daggers. He was not being restrained, so it took all by surprise as he pulled a dagger from inside his robe and sliced Shlin28's neck. As the blood drained from Shlin, AVSM took his own life.
For reasons beyond his understanding, Elite Ferret was also taken to the front. He was pronounced traitor, and was hanged.
Alive: 34/43
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Beskar
atheotes
death is yonder
Sigurd
Sprig
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
Centurion1
johnhughthom
Iskander 3.1
Chaotix
AskThePizzaGuy
Subotan
Tratorix
Reenk Roink
Csargo (Ichigo)
a completely inoffensive name
Khazaar
Andres
Greyblades
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Karo
YLC
Renata
Crazed Rabbit
Lord Winter
scottishranger
Zain
rhawn
KukriKhan
CountArach
Killed: 3/43
Major Robert Dump
Yaseikhaan
Shlin28
Lynched: 6/43
White_Eyes:D
LittleGrizzly
A1_Unit
Beefy187
A Very Super Market
Elite Ferret
It is now Night 3. Night ends in 24 hours.
At least that proves I'm not mafia :yes:
Also, Khazaar still lives, even though when I told everyone he is the mastermind...
Edit: EF, can you reveal which world you are from?
pevergreen
11-10-2009, 00:07
Players who have died are encouraged to continue participating, but may not reveal, allude to or in any way mention their role or abilities.
^^^
Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2009, 02:40
For reasons beyond his understanding, Elite Ferret was also taken to the front. He was pronounced traitor, and was hanged.
The theory appears to be correct. It was indeed possible for the mafia to snipe us dead with a couple of votes, because AVSM and Khazaar were from the same side of the rift.
Apologies as it seems EF was innocent. :shame: Can't be right about everything.
pevergreen
11-10-2009, 03:01
People are saying they want more revealed about the mechanic.
ok: This is the post that got EF lynched. Nothing else.
unvote, vote: Elite Ferret
Unless you start making sense, I find your comments to be quite worrisome.
Centurion1
11-10-2009, 03:05
improper vote? didnt use a semicolon. Only thing i can see.......... so if it is an improper vote the person who voted wrongs target gets killed.
basically i am 99% sure that is wrong but i cant see anything else unless its in the wording of his vote.
Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2009, 03:06
Unvoting and voting for someone else!
I did this last round too!
Was I the only one?
Edit: Double checked, not even close. A lot of unvotes on the first round.
scottishranger
11-10-2009, 03:37
Geez... how in the world did that happen.
confuzled
pevergreen
11-10-2009, 05:03
The following players will be WoG'd if they do not have a vote lodged at the end of the next day.
I track this by who is voting for who at the end of a phase, I require votes in 50% of day phases.
Some of these players may be dead, easier to post as a whole than weed it out
ACIN
CA
CR
Greyblades
Iskander
johnhughthom
khazaar
Kukrikhan
Lord Winter
Reenk Roink
splitpersonality
Tratorix
YLC
Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2009, 05:04
Gotta love the quicktopic post "Pizzaguy" made implicating himself as mafia.
That's some incriminating evidence right there. :rolleyes:
From the rules.
if they wish to unvote, Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Sasaki Kojiro.
Splitpersonality
11-10-2009, 05:13
Will do host, sorry for inactivity.
pevergreen
11-10-2009, 05:17
Will do host, sorry for inactivity.
You're fine.
Take note: That list doesnt take into account if you've posted or not. Only if you have a valid vote lodged at the end of the day phase. You could post and vote 100 times a day, then have no vote at the end of the day and be on that list.
Its a lot easier than keeping two sets of records (it doubles as my vote tally and tracker)
Splitpersonality
11-10-2009, 05:18
Am I fine as in, I can't be WoG'd?
Either way I need to be more active.
pevergreen
11-10-2009, 05:19
No, you may be, but you're fine. People have real lives. I would rather have an semi active nice player than an active player whose attitude I dont like.
Centurion1
11-10-2009, 05:27
so i guess my theory is bunk.
A Very Super Market
11-10-2009, 05:29
I suppose I'm on the bad side of that. Inactive and abrasive, eh?
Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2009, 05:51
if they wish to unvote, Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Sasaki Kojiro.
Poor Sasaki. Even the host wants you to vote for him. :no:
pevergreen
11-10-2009, 05:55
I miss the old days.
Post one of a game: Sasaki voting Ichigo
Post two of a game: Ichigo voting Sasaki
It was as predictable as the new(er[but not really new, sort of long time players now]) following you, ATPG.
Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2009, 05:58
It was as predictable as the new(er[but not really new, sort of long time players now]) following you, ATPG.
You want to know my secret?
I have a t-shirt with the word "leader" painted on it.
Works every time.
A Very Super Market
11-10-2009, 06:08
Well, I get infiltrated whenever I am mafia leader, like here in and in Asterix....
Sasaki Kojiro
11-10-2009, 06:13
Well, I get infiltrated whenever I am mafia leader, like here in and in Asterix....
I don't think that one was your fault. Didn't Ignoramus make it so that investigating one mafioso revealed the whole family? :dizzy2:
Well, I get infiltrated whenever I am mafia leader, like here in and in Asterix....
It also helps using the BCC function in the PMs when sending to multiple players. :clown:
Sorry, guys, for being on the other rather inactive side. Gotta lot of things going on at the moment, but I hope I can be more active in the future day phases.
I suppose I'm on the bad side of that. Inactive and abrasive, eh?
You're also dead, so I guess the abrasive doesn't matter so much right now.
From the rules.
But then why punish the player that get's improperly voted rather than the player who improperly votes? That doesn't make sense to me...
and :daisy: you ATPG, you'll pay for this!!!! :furious3:
:clown:
I'm not sure what's supposed to be so confusing about it; at this point it seems pretty clear to me. One player from each side of the conflict gets lynched each day, that being whoever has the most votes from each side. (Unless there are abilities that affect voting, or whatever.) So pevergreen said that ATPG's vote for Elite Ferret caused the latter's death, because ATPG was the first one to vote for someone who was not from Kelewan.
The other alternative, that it's based on the voters' roles and not the roles of the people being voted for, makes less sense from a balance standpoint. As the game goes on and more information gets out, I could see it getting wildly unbalanced very quickly, once a certain tipping point was reached.
Unless ATPG has an auto-lynch ability, or something. In which case never mind. But I don't think it's down to legalistic stuff like has been speculated -- if he didn't do it for THOU SHALT NOT ABSTAIN I don't see him doing it for someone else's format screw-up.
Death is yonder
11-10-2009, 17:44
Apologies for lack of later discussion, RL circumstances have been unrelenting in the past 36 hours.
I'm not sure what's supposed to be so confusing about it; at this point it seems pretty clear to me. One player from each side of the conflict gets lynched each day, that being whoever has the most votes from each side. (Unless there are abilities that affect voting, or whatever.) So pevergreen said that ATPG's vote for Elite Ferret caused the latter's death, because ATPG was the first one to vote for someone who was not from Kelewan.
From the current day, this seems to be the case, verifying Double A's idea of "A lynch for every town", or something along the lines at least.
It makes more sense really.
Alright... We keep discussing this issue.
I'll post the raw voting data for you to analyse. They are chronological and in the form they were posted (including any mistakes) Those who got lynched = Red [primary lynch] Blue [secondary lynch] (not considering any actual numbers or vote changes)
Round 1:
Vote : Csargo (Andres)
vote:Andres (EF)
Vote:Elite Ferret (Sasaki)
Unvote; Vote : shlin28 (Andres)
Vote:Sasaki Kojiro (WE:D)
Vote: Whiteeyes:D (DiY)
Vote: Elite Ferret (Karo)
Unvote:Elite Ferret, vote:White_eyes (Sasaki)
Vote: Elite Ferret (Chaotix)
Unvote, Vote: karo. (Chaotix)
vote: White_Eyes:D (ATPG)
Vote: WhiteEyes (Yasei’)
Vote: Sprig (Renata)
vote: Chaotix (shlin)
Vote: Crazed Rabbit (Subotan)
Vote: Sprig (Split)
vote SplitPersonality (LG)
Vote:Sasaki (Csargo)
Unvote; Vote: LittleGrizzly (Split)
Vote:LittleGrizzly (Zain)
Unvote; Vote Little Grizzly (Subotan)
Vote: Abstain (GH)
Vote: abstain (johnhugh)
vote: MRD (Sigurd)
Unvote splitpersonality Vote Abstain (LG)
Vote: Sigurd (Tratoix)
Vote: Abstain (ACIN)
vote: abstain (Centurion1)
vote: Abstain (Double A)
vote: abstain (rhawn)
Unvote; Vote:Abstain (split)
Vote: Major Robert Dump (Beskar)
vote rhawn (Captn B)
unvote, vote: A1_Unit (ATPG)
Vote: Sasaki (Joooray)
unvote; vote: major robert dump (Centurion1)
Unvote; Vote: LittleGrizzly (DiY)
Unvote Abstain Vote MRD (LG)
vote:White_Eyes:D (A1_Unit)
Vote: A1_Unit (Sprig)
Vote: Sigurd (atheotes)
Unvote:Sasaki, Vote: Renata (Csargo)
Vote: White Eyes (MRD)
Vote: White Eyes. (scottish)
Round 2:
Vote: Abstain (Beefy)
Unvote, Vote: YLC (Beefy)
Vote:Iskander 3.1 (Zain)
Vote:Sprig (Subotan)
Vote: Beefy (Chaotix)
Vote: Beefy (GH)
vote: sigurd (Centurion1)
vote:Jooray (EF)
Vote: Shlin28 (DiY)
Vote: A1_Unit (ATPG)
Vote:GeneralHankerchief (Sasaki)
vote: Sigurd (Karo)
Unvote:GeneralHankerchief, Vote:A1_unit (Sasaki)
Vote: Centurion1 (Sigurd)
Vote: Elite Ferret (Joooray)
vote A1_Unit. (rahwn)
Vote: A1_unit (Sprig)
Vote: Death is yonder (shlin28)
Vote: Sprig! (Double A)
vote: Yaseikhaan (Renata)
Vote:Renata (Csargo)
Vote: Sasaki (Reenk Roink)
vote: Khazaar (atheotes)
unvote, vote: A1_Unit (Renata)
vote:ATPG (A1_Unit)
Vote: ATPG (Beefy)
vote a1 unit (Captn B)
Round 3 :
Vote: Khazaar (shlin28)
vote: Khazaar. (Sigurd)
Vote:Khazaar (Sasaki)
Vote:Khazaar (Csargo)
Vote: Khazaar (Beskar)
vote: Khazaar (ATPG)
vote beefy (Captn B)
Vote: Beefy (Scottish)
Vote: AVSM (Scottish)
unvote beefy vote avsm (Captn B)
vote: AVSM (Renata)
Vote: Khazaar (Sprig)
vote: AVSM (Double A)
vote:Khazaar (EF)
Vote: Shlin (AVSM)
Vote: Khazaar (DiY)
Vote: shlin (GH)
Vote: AVSM (Chaotix)
Vote: AVSM (ACIN)
Vote: AVSM (Zain)
Vote:AVSM (rhawn)
Unvote: AVSM vote: Khazaar (rhawn)
Vote : Khazaar (Andres)
Vote AVSM (Subotan)
Vote: Khazaar (atheotes)
Vote: khazzar (Centurion1)
unvote, vote: Elite Ferret (ATPG)
Vote:Elite Ferret (Karo)
unvote, vote: Shilin (Double A)
unvote, vote: 1337 Ferret (Double A)
unvote, vote Crazed Rabbit (Renata)
atheotes
11-10-2009, 20:41
do we know if eliteferret was not from the same faction as AVSM, Khazaar and Shlin?
if so we can assume with some confidence that the 2 lynch candidates have to be from different factions.
if we assume that ATPG's post is the only reason ferret got lynched, the only theory i can think of is - every round one person will be decide the second lynch. they may not know about it. it could be randomly decided or there maybe triggers (though i cant find any that applies to all 3 lynches)
Sasaki Kojiro
11-10-2009, 21:59
Khazaar had more votes than avsm...I wonder if atheotes is right, and there is a role that can pick someone who decides the 2nd lynch without knowing it.
Might just have been a function of Khazaar's high muckety-muck role. Maybe he can bounce a lynch.
Since AVSM and Khazaar are assumed to be from the same faction, the only way AVSM gets lynched over Khazaar is that votes cast for Khazaar were not counted. Now there are 2 factions, perhaps people who vote for someone not in their faction are just throwing their vote away. Perhaps AVSM was lynched over Khazaar because many of the people voting for Khazaar were from the wrong side of the rift and therefore their votes did not count.
^^ I like this theory, still doesn't explain why ATPG's vote killed my though...
Even if both Beefy and Crazed Rabbit were from your side of the rift, you got voted down with 3 votes. Maybe ATPG is the only person from that side of the rift to have voted for someone on his side of the rift. If I'm correct then there are all sorts of things to read from voting records which indicate from which side of the rift the survivors belong.
Since AVSM and Khazaar are assumed to be from the same faction, the only way AVSM gets lynched over Khazaar is that votes cast for Khazaar were not counted. Now there are 2 factions, perhaps people who vote for someone not in their faction are just throwing their vote away. Perhaps AVSM was lynched over Khazaar because many of the people voting for Khazaar were from the wrong side of the rift and therefore their votes did not count.
I agree with you there and I got a question I know that death people can't reveal who they were ut can we reveal who they were.
pevergreen
11-11-2009, 00:10
Two hooded figures stood on the roof above an allyway. Invisible in the shadows, they waited for something. Hearing the approach of a group, they readied themselves, pulling out a heavy crossbow each. As the group passed below them, they took aim and took out the man in the middle, Subotan. With two bolts in him, he died quickly.
Sigurd was walking down the hall, looking forward to eating the hot, yummy food he had just made with his friends.
It was awfully cold in the hall though, and Sigurd's coat wasn't thick enough!
"Brrr!" Sigurd thought. He knew he should have listened to his mommy before he left and taken warmer clothing with him today. Sometimes his friends would tease him if he did. But now Sigurd knew how important it was to be safe anyway!
As he got to his bed and set the warm, circular food down on a table, he heard someone come in behind him.
"Who could this be?" Sigurd wondered, "Perhaps a friend, or someone who hasn't eaten dinner yet? Oh my! That would be terrible! Well, I'd certainly be happy to share!"
But the dark figure who had silently appeared did not want to share! In fact, he did not even ask to come in! His mommy was surely disappointed by such rude behavior. But this man was a bad fellow who didn't listen to his mother! What in the world could be worse than that?
Instead, the robed figure smiled and said, "Why Sigurd, my friend, why are you so cold to me? Here, let me warm you up." But he lied! He was no friend of Sigurd!
His hands rose up and pointed at Sigurd, and fire shot out of them, surrounding poor Sigurd! It was very hot, hotter than any campfire Sigurd had ever felt! Poor Sigurd died screaming, then fell, his head bouncing off his food and becoming covered with cheese. He would never be able to eat the good food he had made with his friends.
And then that awful robed man left without even leaving a sorry note for the mess.
johnhughthom was sitting in his chair, thinking, over and over, what he could do.
He was barely distracted when a figure entered the room, but when it advanced, he looked up.
This...thing was at least three heads taller than him, it was massive. It eminated power.
As he was about to shout out for help, the figure unsheathed a glowing sword and with a flick of the wrist, sliced clean through johnhughthom from top to bottom.
The group gathered and noticed more than normal, people were late.
One such person was Khazaar. As he woke, weary-eyed, a robed figured stood in his doorway. He started chanting in an ancient language, fire starting up around his hands. As he was about to complete the incantation, a blue robe fell over him, and a man with a contorted look on his face started whacking him with a stick. The robed attacker fled and Khazaar made his way to the gathering unharmed.
Alive: 31/43
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Beskar
atheotes
death is yonder
Sprig
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
Centurion1
Iskander 3.1
Chaotix
AskThePizzaGuy
Tratorix
Reenk Roink
Csargo (Ichigo)
a completely inoffensive name
Khazaar
Andres
Greyblades
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Karo
YLC
Renata
Crazed Rabbit
Lord Winter
scottishranger
Zain
rhawn
KukriKhan
CountArach
Killed: 6/43
Major Robert Dump
Yaseikhaan
Shlin28
Subotan
Sigurd
johnhughthom
Lynched: 6/43
White_Eyes:D
LittleGrizzly
A1_Unit
Beefy187
A Very Super Market
Elite Ferret
It is now Day 4. Day will end in 24 hours and 20 minutes.
pevergreen
11-11-2009, 00:12
I agree with you there and I got a question I know that death people can't reveal who they were ut can we reveal who they were.
If you have infomation on a dead player, you are free to reveal it, unless you are dead yourself.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 00:13
Vote:Khazaar
Vote:Khazaar
Best option imo
Askthepizzaguy
11-11-2009, 00:14
^^ I like this theory, still doesn't explain why ATPG's vote killed my though...
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Trebek.png
:clown:
Vote: Khazaar
Reenk Roink
11-11-2009, 00:15
Sorry for inactivity :help:
Vote Sasaki
mean mean pride
It seems two of the three brothers are now death it's a black day for Midkemia and now it's time to find the third one.
Vote:Khazaar
*throws up hands*
Now go and vote Subotan for killing me. We can't have those rouge Magicians running around killing important characters.
Askthepizzaguy
11-11-2009, 00:22
Subotan's dead, sir! :sweatdrop:
*throws up hands*
Now go and vote Subotan for killing me. We can't have those rouge Magicians running around killing important characters.
To bad you were killed would've loved to discover more about your character.
pevergreen
11-11-2009, 00:25
On that note, I missed a kill. Adding to the writeup and this post.
johnhughthom was sitting in his chair, thinking, over and over, what he could do.
He was barely distracted when a figure entered the room, but when it advanced, he looked up.
This...thing was at least three heads taller than him, it was massive. It eminated power.
As he was about to shout out for help, the figure unsheathed a glowing sword and with a flick of the wrist, sliced clean through johnhughthom from top to bottom.
Subotan's dead, sir! :sweatdrop:
Hehe... he had such a short kill description, that I missed it. Too much Sigurd, Sigurd, Sigurd in the beginning of the results.
Oh... Well then I am out of options.
Oh man, only four lines? Whilst Sigurd gets 17? And a measly crossbow attack? Bah.:furious3:
Now go and vote Subotan for killing me. We can't have those rouge Magicians running around killing important characters.
Awesome, apparently I'm a new kind of role who can only start killing charcters after he has been vig killed. A zombie, as it were.
Subotan's dead, sir! :sweatdrop:
Yep, dead for asking a question about game mechanics
:2thumbsup:
To bad you were killed would've loved to discover more about your character.
Oh my character will be revealed soon enough. There are plenty of roles that knew my true identity.
pevergreen
11-11-2009, 00:34
I decided against the "host reveals true role" thing.
Subotan: Sigurd was the only one who had the kill written for me, rest were done by myself...:stare:
Finall, the move is done - sorry if anyone wondered why I was unresponsive. Right now I'm kinda back! Yay! Will be fully back on the 12th, if anyone cares - I hope someone can give me a somewhat abbreviated explanation as to how this game is unctioning so far - is it one faction must vote off members from the opposing faction, and thus votes upon members of ones own faction do not count? That's what I've gathered from reading just this page.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 00:39
So how come we wiped out a mafia family and had a big increase in kills/attempts?
Askthepizzaguy
11-11-2009, 00:39
There's an awful lot more kills or kill attempts this round than previous rounds.
Also, YLC you're wogbait this round if you don't vote. Please vote.
I'd say the magician killer is the same one as last time. Both kills had a nice little pun based on the magic he was using.
Vote: Khazaar
Let's only vote for Khazaar so that a non-mafia doesn't get hit by the second lynch.
Askthepizzaguy
11-11-2009, 00:46
Let's only vote for Khazaar so that a non-mafia doesn't get hit by the second lynch.
And when Khazaar votes for someone, say... you for example, we prevent you from dying how?
Nevermind... nevermind... I tried, I tried.
It seems to me that everyone's vote doesn't count towards everyone. Whether votes only count against the opposite faction or for the same faction, I don't know. Maybe there were increased kills because the mafia in one faction are actually the allies of the other faction. Maybe killing Khazaar would not benefit me if he actually works for my faction killing the opposite faction or something...
Splitpersonality
11-11-2009, 00:56
Vote: Khazaar
And when Khazaar votes for someone, say... you for example, we prevent you from dying how?
Nevermind... nevermind... I tried, I tried.
Ah. Well, that had not crossed my mind. :sweatdrop:
.......
:stare:
STOP FORCING YOUR INTELLECT ONTO US!
Edit: Maybe if we just asked Khazaar nicely to vote for himself...
Askthepizzaguy
11-11-2009, 01:03
STOP FORCING YOUR INTELLECT ONTO US!
You see, it would work if Khazaar were already dead. Then anyone who votes against the prescribed one-lynch plan, we could consider a guilty scumbag and lynch them next round.
But as Khazaar is already on his way out, he loses nothing by tossing a monkey wrench into all our plans. We must, unfortunately, choose two lynches ourselves, or accept him having a 50.50 chance of killing one of us for free.
Captain Blackadder
11-11-2009, 01:13
So how come we wiped out a mafia family and had a big increase in kills/attempts?
I suspect that we have emergant mafia or other mafia finally getting kills like in atpg simpsons game where the blackhand and the don of dons got kills if other mafia died.
Vote: Khazaar
Well that's an obvious choice for now. So Vote: Khazaar.
atheotes
11-11-2009, 01:24
Vote: Khazaar
hmm... if we see the number of kills/attempts reduced next phase maybe we can conclude that one mafia family is completely wiped out with the death of Khazaar.
about the second lynch, Reenk already has a vote on Sasaki. I was hoping Khazaar wouldnt show up for voting but he did show up to post...so it looks like we cannot keep it down to one lynch
Splitpersonality
11-11-2009, 01:25
If Khazaar is mafia, what side of the rift is he on?
If we're going for the one man from each side lynched, we will have to pick someone on the opposite side to go down unfortunately..
Vote: Khazaar
It also looks like some one prevented another person killing Khazaar, a known Mafia. Khazaar might have had protection on him, in otherwords, there is another person out there working for him.
If we have to pick someone else...
Unvote, Vote:GH
Who never really changed his mind on the whole shlin-lying-conspiracy-theory.
Because it is the in thing to do, Vote:Khazar
Going with the flow until the 12th - PM me if you need anything.
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Same reason as yesterday. Bye Khazaar.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 02:22
Unvote:khazaar, vote:Crazed Rabbit
Death is yonder
11-11-2009, 02:36
So how come we wiped out a mafia family and had a big increase in kills/attempts?
Either emergent mafia as has been said, or that there was a trigger?
Vote: Khazaar
It also looks like some one prevented another person killing Khazaar, a known Mafia. Khazaar might have had protection on him, in otherwords, there is another person out there working for him.
One such person was Khazaar. As he woke, weary-eyed, a robed figured stood in his doorway. He started chanting in an ancient language, fire starting up around his hands. As he was about to complete the incantation, a blue robe fell over him, and a man with a contorted look on his face started whacking him with a stick. The robed attacker fled and Khazaar made his way to the gathering unharmed.
:juggle2::juggle2:
Looked like someone from another side of the rift tried to attack him or something, but was impeded by a protector.
or it could have been a viglilent attack or something. A Mafia wouldn't target another mafia which was going to die anyway. They would attack townies who pose the biggest threat.
atheotes
11-11-2009, 03:03
or it could have been a viglilent attack or something. A Mafia wouldn't target another mafia which was going to die anyway. They would attack townies who pose the biggest threat.
i agree with that...it has to be a vigilante. but the more important part is there is someone still left in Khazaar's side. a recruit perhaps? that means we havent completely wiped out a mafia family as we thought.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 03:06
Or maybe someone wanted him left alive to be lynched today.
Askthepizzaguy
11-11-2009, 03:07
If it was a vigilante attack or a mafia hit, why isn't he dead?
Looks like a roleblocking to me. It stopped him from using his spell. Am I the only one reading it like that?
pevergreen
11-11-2009, 03:10
If it was a vigilante attack or a mafia hit, why isn't he dead?
Looks like a roleblocking to me. It stopped him from using his spell. Am I the only one reading it like that?
If the attacker was roleblocked, the attempt would not show up in the night result.
Khazaar was protected.
If it was a vigilante attack or a mafia hit, why isn't he dead?
Looks like a roleblocking to me. It stopped him from using his spell. Am I the only one reading it like that?
Apparently. :)
KukriKhan
11-11-2009, 05:12
Vote: Iskander 3.1
Just to get this "WOGbait" tattoo off of me. Sorry, Pal.
My role:
You (KukriKhan, Tratorix) are a grey warrior, an honourless man on Kelewan. You now roam the land with no House under the command of your leader Lujan (Iskander 3.1). As a group, you may steal from one person, gaining some infomation on them, or roleblock one person. Rumour has it though that a strange lady of the Acoma has some radical ideas...
Neither Tratorix nor Iskander 3.1 responded to my PM queries. I therefore assume they had something else in mind. Something else detrimental to the town.
Just thought I'd put that out there before I die.
I PM'd pevergreen about the lack of contact:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Hello pevergreen:
Quote:Originally Posted by pevergreen
You (KukriKhan, Tratorix) are a grey warrior, an honourless man on Kelewan. You now roam the land with no House under the command of your leader Lujan (Iskander 3.1). As a group, you may steal from one person, gaining some infomation on them, or roleblock one person. Rumour has it though that a strange lady of the Acoma has some radical ideas...
Neither of my team members (Iskander, Tratorix) have responded to my queries, so I assume they have other things to do.
So you don't mistake me for a bump on a log, I take it upon myself to do a one-third
role-block: SasakiKojiro.
Regards,
Kukri
Kukri-san.
If neither of your team mates send in orders, I will waive the normal chance of failure, as thanks for activity.
I received no night results PM from our esteemed host, so I must assume neither team member (Iskander, Tratorix) sent in orders.
Submitted for your approval and action.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 05:20
role-block: SasakiKojiro.
:stare:
Crazed Rabbit
11-11-2009, 05:26
vote: khazaar
:shrug:
CR
Splitpersonality
11-11-2009, 05:35
Unvote:Khazaar
I have just been handed an interesting result from a trusted servant of mine...
Khazaar: old metal sword, maps of midkemia, studded leather armour
Futher investigation is required into these matters... and I would like the time to do it, not personally of course.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 05:37
How is that an interesting result? Would the minwabi mafia have those items?
Splitpersonality
11-11-2009, 05:38
No, it is interesting because it is so common.
It seems like an innocent result, or so I am told, further investigation is being placed on him, who knows, he might even be useful to the town.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 05:44
I still think he should be lynched...
We have good evidence from shlin.
Godfather type is not out of question, especially with lynch escape
The investigative roles seem to be the weaker type
Double A
11-11-2009, 05:45
How is that an interesting result? Would the minwabi mafia have those items?
Someone said they wore black and orange clothing, I believe.
So anyway, who else looks guilty? And by that I mean actually looks guilty and isn't just "Hey he said something weird but totally acceptable!" or "That was pessimistic! Die!"
Double A
11-11-2009, 05:46
I still think he should be lynched...
We have good evidence from shlin.
Godfather type is not out of question, especially with lynch escape
The investigative roles seem to be the weaker type
Didn't we lynch shilin for being suspected of lying?
atheotes
11-11-2009, 05:49
Shlin was killed by AVSM.
Double A
11-11-2009, 05:50
Ok NOW I'm confused.
A Very Super Market
11-11-2009, 06:05
Each family has a kill from beyond the grave, as in, if any of them dies, we get one free kill to be used.
Captain Blackadder
11-11-2009, 06:09
vote khazzar
Not going to escape this time scum.
Double A
11-11-2009, 06:25
Each family has a kill from beyond the grave, as in, if any of them dies, we get one free kill to be used.
Gah?
GeneralHankerchief
11-11-2009, 07:26
I hear that Khazaar is scum.
Vote: Khazaar
Sasaki Kojiro
11-11-2009, 07:35
GH :no:
Unvote:Khazaar
I have just been handed an interesting result from a trusted servant of mine...
Khazaar: old metal sword, maps of midkemia, studded leather armour
Futher investigation is required into these matters... and I would like the time to do it, not personally of course.
Anyone familiar with the Riftwar books, knows that metal is quite rare on Kelewan. These are items from Midkemia which become great treasures on Kelewan.
It wouldn't make sense to make a note of this on Midkemia. Khazaar is Tsurani - lynch him!!
You are all very much on the wrong track, but I guess my fate is sealed. It´s good to know that at least someone doesn´t believe everything shlin said and looked into it further. Anyway before I get wogged
Vote: spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Askthepizzaguy
11-11-2009, 14:03
You are all very much on the wrong track, but I guess my fate is sealed. It´s good to know that at least someone doesn´t believe everything shlin said and looked into it further. Anyway before I get wogged
Vote: spL1tp3r50naL1ty
:laugh4:
Well obviously you want to vote for split, and take someone down with you. Because you're so innocent, after that attempted murder with the fire and all. And your case on split is.... ?
He is a detective who investigated him, so he wants to take down a pro-town role with him.
Studded leather armor is Tsurani; they don't have the metal to make chain mail or plate.
He is a detective who investigated him, so he wants to take down a pro-town role with him.
I don't think he is a detective himself, after all he is one of the kings.
Am I right in thinking, that split is from the same rift as the mafia we believe Khazaar is from?! Do we know anything about the relationship between the king of this rift and the mafia?
Studded leather armor is Tsurani; they don't have the metal to make chain mail or plate.
I though lacquered hide armour was Tsurani. Studded should indicate studs of metal hence Midkemian. :bow:
Vote: Khazaar for reasons stated above. I hope we have a better understanding of the voting procedures by tomorrow.
Splitpersonality
11-11-2009, 19:42
I think his case on split is that he's not paying attention, or he's on the other side of the rift from me... and this lynch could kill me.
So hum... >_>
I tried to save you Khazaar, but whatever.
I though lacquered hide armour was Tsurani. Studded should indicate studs of metal hence Midkemian. :bow:
I defer to the person who's actually read the books within the the last five years. :embarassed: The word "lacquered" does ring a bell.
I'm not about to let him off the hook for it, but that collection does begin to look more Midkemian in that light. Or at least, like someone who's trying to pose as Midkemian, given the presence of the map. I'm not sure whether a Minwanabi kingpin would fit that category or not.
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