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List of unsuspected people
Stefani (Beskar)
Hungry Khaan (ATPG)
Duke Subo Nukem (Subotan)
lord pevergreen (pevergreen)
Beefy187
06-02-2010, 12:49
Double A protected DIY
Beefy187
06-02-2010, 14:30
I was talking with Beskar and I thought I'll give it a go to the motion rule.
Vote: Yes if you want the motion of post 217 to pass. vote: No if you don't.
Votes will be the number of Army strengths for now.
Splitpersonality
06-02-2010, 14:41
Vote: Yes
Vote: Splitpersonality, I still need some dang armies :(
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-02-2010, 14:47
Beefy was being silly and stupid..
I forgot to include orders which was sent on the previous day (ArpeggiateTHIS and Double A)
Though like Beskar said, Autolycus would've died anyway :bow:
Also I'm really sorry about it. Did all the write ups during lectures, so I didn't really have time to check and all..
My name has been cleared. And rightly so, thanks for the intervention Beefy.
Vote: Beskar The man needs more armies, but his gains should not be used selfishly.
[I will repost the motion again, I will slightly re-word it based on the feedback given from other players.]
Stefan vi Britannia presents the following motion, known as Tyranny Prevention Act.
The act adds the following regulations to the position of Consul:
1. Council Members cannot nominate themselves for the position of Consul.
2. Further motions and Consul elections cannot be influenced based on force strength. (the amount of armies)
3. The Consul has a fixed-term limit of 3 rounds (3 night actions), they can be re-elected.
a) After the third night, the consul automatically lose the consul additional forces, and the newly elected consuls gain them.
4. The armies siezed from another player by a Consul shall go to popular vote, not be added to the consuls own armies.
To approve this motion, type in: Motion Vote: Yes
To reject this motion, type in: Motion Vote: No
Reasoning behind the motion.
1. There are two consuls, it would be a waste if people simply voted for themselves, opposed to electing some one people can agree on recieving the position. You can only say you are interested in the position, but since there are going to be two consuls anyway, this also gives people the freedom to vote who they think the other consul would be.
2. Since consuls get +4 vote power, for simply being a consul, this gives them far greater influence on motions, elections and a tyrannical control, it is bad enough they control the vote as well. Having a Beefdom sympathiser would do untold damage.
For example:
Subo + Pizza = 13 votes
Rest of town = 15 votes
3. Fixed term, it allows the town to change the consul without having to kill the old one, or have them clawing on the doorframe as you trying to remove them from office.
4. Well, pevergreen and warman for example are as good as dead, while Subotan and Askthepizzaguy selfishly empower themselves. We need to help prevent further acts of this occuring and if it does happen, allow the council to return the forces to where they rightfully belong.
I, Stefan vi Britannia, approve the following motion presented.
Motion Vote: Yes
Vote:ArpeggiateTHIS
You seem more likely than the others to not be mafiosi, at least for the minute.
Motion Vote: Yes.
The consuls are getting far too powerful, and mathematically speaking, almost impossible to remove at this point.
There are 13 remaining non consul powers with one vote, and YLC with two votes. This puts the non-consul vote at 15.
If you add up the consul vote, it stands at 15.
Therefore, since there is no logical reason for one consul to support the removal of another, short of a legitimate accusation of treason, the last point in which a consul may be conceivably deposed is today. If one consul were to support the removal of another, it would weaken their position and expose them to removal -- so I can't imagine it happening.
I have no particular reason to want either consul deposed, as other than a fetish for tyranny, Subotan and ATPG seem no worse than any other consul -- and somebody must lead the defense of the realm. A limitation of power is quite advisible though.
As for the armies, I'm feeling rather defenseless so Vote: Pinman.
It seems ill advised to continue to advocate for no lynch, but I have to re-read the thread and think abit before I actually cast a vote.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-02-2010, 15:39
Motion Vote: Yes
Subo, I do not require additional armies; the people of the Great Sands thrive upon initiative and rationality far more than upon sabre-rattling and ego. All I ask of the Council is that they share their forces so that all of our lands are equally and adequately protected.
I too feel that we cannot afford to abstain from a lynch, although I could not point my scimitar of suspicion at any particular party at this time. I shall consider the recent events before placing a vote.
Perhaps any man who is willing to tally people's actions deserves the extra armies as reward?
Vote:ArpeggiateTHIS
You seem more likely than the others to not be mafiosi, at least for the minute.
"More likely than Lord Stefan who was attacked this very night? It seems more like the Consul is supporting his lapdog..."
The Maharani is visibly displeased, but then smiles as she turn to Lord Stefan.
"I am pleased my forces where able to prevent your untimely death, Lord Stefan, and as my envoy told you, I am indeed interested in our two people getting closer. Yet, that is for another time and place, for now let me simply say that I still support Lord Stefan to receive an extra army.
Vote: Beskar
I also wholeheartily support the motion against tyranny. Motion Vote: Yes."
"There is another matter I wish to discuss; The Chaos Knight. This... man... has attacked his fellow lords twice! This is unacceptable, these attacks where not sanctioned by this body and are a dangerous step towards anarchy.
Vote: Chaotix."
Watching this as a simple courtesan is fantastic.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-02-2010, 16:19
It seems more like the Consul is supporting his lapdog..."
His lapdog indeed, Flax. I do apologise if there is no other dirt you can dig up on Sheikh Al-A-This. Loyalty the the Consul is paramount if we are to rid the Empire of those who would rebel.
"While the slight might have been aimed at you, Sheikh, my criticism was aimed at the Consul supporting you on an dubious basis. Furthermore, blind faith begets abuse, let that be a fair warning."
That is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, Flaxy.
:curtain:
Vote: Beskar
Vote: TheFlax
The notion that you petty nobles think that I follow your idiotic rules is ridiculous. I am a free man, and I do whatever I wish. The real men among you would simply meet me on the field of battlefield if you did not like my actions. Instead, it appears that you cowards will probably sit in your chairs complaining about me, while being fanned by scantily clad slave girls, until the council agrees to pass a motion to slap my wrists and tell me not to do bad things.
I believe I know who I will be challenging next.
Death is yonder
06-02-2010, 16:33
While believing that our Consul's are doing good work, I am still aware of the need to ensure that their power does not grow unchecked. However, I plead that the council do not take this motion is a means of their own empowerment. The very reason of the Consul's existence is in itself to provide a powerhouse for us to rally upon. To suggest that all men are equal is to invite trouble, for if we give everyone an extra army, there is bound to be a miscalculation somewhere that would fall ill on us.
Thoughts such as
As for the armies, I'm feeling rather defenseless so Vote: Pinman.
Should be expunged.
I support the motion,
Vote: Yes
However, I'm all in favor of retaining the status quo with the consuls. After all, they seem to be putting their armies to proper usage. Granting extra armies to those who "feel defenseless" should not be condoned, unless like Stefani, they have been vindicated and proven that they can be trusted wholeheartedly.
In all, while I support the motion limiting the Consul's power and its permanence, I believe that caution should be advised when proposing where the armies should go.
Finally, I would very much like to hear why the Chaos Knight is attempting to eliminate council members. He would have attacked one on the first night, if not for the renegade's intervention before him, and he would have defeated Legate Casmir, if not for the Legate's superior strength. This is especially suspicious, because the attacks prove nothing of his innocence, as to my knowledge, one only needs superior strength overall to defeat another player.
Therefore, I will act upon my suspicion and:
Unvote: No Lynch
Vote: Chaotix
As I have mentioned, you'd better have a very good reason for your actions.
While I believe the above logic prior to my voting may also apply to Consul actions, I believe the fact that Stefani has survived with but 2 armies defending him to be a sign that it was not a consul who attacked Stefani, if not they would be sure to have succeeded due to their greater strength anyway. Therefore, this suggests that ONE of the renegades is verily certain to NOT be a consul.
Death is yonder
06-02-2010, 16:36
Vote: Beskar
Vote: TheFlax
The notion that you petty nobles think that I follow your idiotic rules is ridiculous. I am a free man, and I do whatever I wish. The real men among you would simply meet me on the field of battlefield if you did not like my actions. Instead, it appears that you cowards will probably sit in your chairs complaining about me, while being fanned by scantily clad slave girls, until the council agrees to pass a motion to slap my wrists and tell me not to do bad things.
I believe I know who I will be challenging next.
Very interesting Chaos Knight...
Just when I have finished making my speech, you walk into the council room, just on time indeed.
Your actions are disturbing, and your language suggests that you consider the whole notion of authority to be an affront to your supposed "liberty". Perhaps by your non-cooperation you are encouraging the renegades to "free you" from the "chains" of this council? What then, do you propose the Council do. Follow your merry little ways and run around rampantly attacking our fellow members?
Very interesting Chaos Knight...
Just when I have finished making my speech, you walk into the council room, just on time indeed.
Your actions are disturbing, and your language suggests that you consider the whole notion of authority to be an affront to your supposed "liberty". Perhaps by your non-cooperation you are encouraging the renegades to "free you" from the "chains" of this council? What then, do you propose the Council do. Follow your merry little ways and run around rampantly attacking our fellow members?
:laugh4:
You are a fool! I have protected this land for decades. And I have always done it my way, not the way of the Council.
I find several of the nobles in this room highly suspicious. And those that I do find suspicious, I attack. No man can backstab you if he lies in a grave.
I do not have to justify my actions to you. As you know, I was made a member of this Council only during this time of crisis. I have no land, no army to speak of. Everything I do is with my own two hands and the sword that is held in them!
If you are still quaking in your boots, then I will propose a solution. You, or the Consuls, or whoever this council decides, will tell me who to kill. And I will do it. This is similar to what the Hungry Khaan asked me to do when I attacked the Imperator. I was not given any direction last night, so I chose to strike down the simpering Legate- a pity you fools gave him another army for me to deal with.
As representative for the proud peoples of Gasteiz y Bilbao I affirm my support for Stefan vi Britannia's proposal. No man should command such immense power. It will only lead to our downfall and the oppression of free and independent peoples.
Motion Vote: Yes
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-02-2010, 17:06
If you are still quaking in your boots, then I will propose a solution. You, or the Consuls, or whoever this council decides, will tell me who to kill. And I will do it. This is similar to what the Hungry Khaan asked me to do when I attacked the Imperator. I was not given any direction last night, so I chose to strike down the simpering Legate- a pity you fools gave him another army for me to deal with.
I wouldn't oppose that, although your sense of power and self-righteousness is disgusting. Chaos Knight, you need to realise that the Council is composed of equals. Simply striking down Council members because of your own suspicions cannot be tolerated - at least consult either Khaan or Von Subo first.
I don't think that your actions merit a lynching, but I'd recommend that you remove some of that heavy armour; the heat seems to be affecting your judgement.
After last night, I believe the Consuls are doing a good job: most of us (12 of 19) had at least 2 armies at night to protect them. There is no reason why we should replace our Consuls if they deploy such a strategy every night. In fact, it almost guarantee that we will survive one attack per night. Why we would shake the house when things are going well is a mystery to me. The Beefdom must be liking the vi Britannia motion.
Motion Vote: No
And I bid my fellow lords to reconsider giving a 2nd army to Stefan vi Britannia, although he was attacked, he does not need more armies of his own if the Consuls protect him. One more people with 2 armies will only make things easier for the Beefdom to hide amongst our ranks.
Askthepizzaguy
06-02-2010, 18:48
Might as well not even have consuls if we rotate them out so much. You'll just end up having a Beefdom-rebel consul and then you're all pretty much screwed. There's a reason why there's two consuls. If one is bad, the other can help remove him. Don't rock the boat. I have no idea why you'd go down this path of foolishness. Instead of a very small chance one of the Consuls is guilty, you're going to guarantee one of the Consuls will be guilty. And that will happen later on, when there are fewer of us left. And by the way, when that happens, they can just kill a few of your armies and give themselves a winning vote total. Basically you want to take the sword out of the law officer's hands and give it to the traitors.
That said, I know I will fail to convince you, and I am forced to respect your decisions as your representative.
Motion Vote: Abstain but strongly against
Vote: ATPG for the army. I don't support this pointless egalitarianism. There's zero point in even having Consuls if they don't wield power.
Vote: No Lynch
ArpeggiateTHIS and Chaotix are not suspects at this time.
(OOC: Because your way is boring, basically, we just give all our armies to two people and let them solve the game... Also, consuls can be reelected, but whatever I'm tired of repeating my RP reasons, so I'm giving my OOC reason and that's all I'll say on the subject.)
Askthepizzaguy
06-02-2010, 19:50
Wait, this is dumb.
unvote ATPG, vote: pevergreen for the army. He's earned it.
(OOC: Because your way is boring, basically, we just give all our armies to two people and let them solve the game... Also, consuls can be reelected, but whatever I'm tired of repeating my RP reasons, so I'm giving my OOC reason and that's all I'll say on the subject.)
(Agreed, my objection is both ingame and out of game. The two consuls having 50% of the vote? What would be the point of the rest of us even voting. Even then, we currently don't even know if the consuls are mafia or not, at the moment, the town can kill them. If they got more armies, they become immune. Instant win.)
Double A
06-02-2010, 21:54
Yeah, but the 13-15 thing will only happen if BOTH consuls are guilty, and if both of them are guilty and have avoided capture this far, they almost deserve to win.
motion vote: NEIN
vote: peever
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-02-2010, 22:05
I've changed my mind: Motion vote: No. If the Consuls do eventually screw us over, you can all blame "their lapdog".
Askthepizzaguy
06-02-2010, 22:11
OOC:
Romanic has convinced me that I should drop the whole "ATPG" schtick and just roleplay as the Hungry Khan and enjoy the game. To that end I'm not going to bother playing perfectly and protecting everyone. Time for some Hungry Kharnage.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-02-2010, 22:19
One thing I have noticed is that Von Subo doesn't appear to be very active. Sheikh Al-A-This demands that his Consuls take the lead and remain present at all times, it is a disgrace to desert your fellow Council members! Sheikh Al-A demands that Subo either keeps up appearances or gives his post to a more worthy candidate!
I am watching everything, and I'll comment when I feel I have something to say.
Motion Vote: No
Three days is far too short a time period. Switch it to five, and I shall reconsider.
Double A
06-02-2010, 22:54
OOC:
Romanic has convinced me that I should drop the whole "ATPG" schtick and just roleplay as the Hungry Khan and enjoy the game. To that end I'm not going to bother playing perfectly and protecting everyone. Time for some Hungry Kharnage.
This is going to be. The best game. Ever.
Motion Vote: No - as it is currently worded.
I would propose it be changed so as to remove 3, and allow in 4 for a consul to receive an army by popular vote. I see no need to limit a Consuls time, only to limit the extent of his power.
Chaos Knight, there is NO need for anyone of us to attack another, and thus your services are rendered useless. When you learn what it means to actually be a warrior of the people, then you might understand.
Please people, I implore you, give the army to Stefani. He is proven innocent amongst us, and the more we can trust in the council, the more informed our decisions shall be.
I'm going to say this once.
We're not lynching anyone this round, it seems.
The rebels are killing proven loyalists during the night.
We seemingly have no investigators.
This could go on indefinitely for as long as the Consuls continue to vote for No Lynch.
How, exactly, do you plan to catch the traitors, then, if I we are not to kill suspects at night, either? If we can't kill them during the day, and we can't kill them during the night, then there is no way to kill them at all!
Double A
06-02-2010, 23:20
So who do YOU propose we vote for?
So, you suggest we kill at random, with no empirical evidence save those that anger you, insult the Consuls capability and intelligence, insult the methods of the Council, and then propose that the end is nigh.
I see your wisdom now, how foolish I was to believe in any other method, any other way, to place trust in anyone at all, to think anyone could help me, that I could help them!!
So, you suggest we kill at random, with no empirical evidence save those that anger you, insult the Consuls capability and intelligence, insult the methods of the Council, and then propose that the end is nigh.
I see your wisdom now, how foolish I was to believe in any other method, any other way, to place trust in anyone at all, to think anyone could help me, that I could help them!!
Well, you're the one that claims to have all the brains here. If we're looking for rebels, and nobody is suspicious, then somebody's doing his job wrong.
I agree with your plans and Stefan's to limit the consul's power, because as long as we have him voting No Lynch then we'll never get anything done.
So let's pick someone to vote for. I have suggested TheFlax because he is annoying me and therefore impeding progress. You and TheFlax have suggested me, because you cannot control me. Neither of these seem too promising at the moment. I'll take a good look and then suggest someone new in a few minutes.
I have to say, after reviewing the actions of this Council, that the most suspicious to me right now is Death is yonder.
And this is not because he voted for me... rather, it is due to the notion that rebels despise vigilante justice [read: mafia hate vigilantes]. Everyone else who has criticized my actions, like the Legate or Suirene, has done so because they were supposedly not approved by the Council or Consul beforehand. Sir Dimitri opposes this because it is the killing of nobles [read: vigilantes are killing townies so they should stop].
Vote: Death is Yonder
I botched that vote.
Unvote, Vote: DiY
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2010, 00:39
Why did you vote Lord Dimitri of the Chickens? His big feathery outfit amuses me.
Death is yonder
06-03-2010, 05:06
I have to say, after reviewing the actions of this Council, that the most suspicious to me right now is Death is yonder.
And this is not because he voted for me... rather, it is due to the notion that rebels despise vigilante justice [read: mafia hate vigilantes]. Everyone else who has criticized my actions, like the Legate or Suirene, has done so because they were supposedly not approved by the Council or Consul beforehand. Sir Dimitri opposes this because it is the killing of nobles [read: vigilantes are killing townies so they should stop].
Vote: Death is Yonder
Firstly Chaos Knight, it is Lord Dimitri
While upon a re-read after I rose from my bed chambers, I see the line that I have missed for a while. Your first action was sanctioned by the Hungry Khaan, whereas your second action was not.
Sir Dimitri opposes this because it is the killing of nobles
I oppose it indeed because it is the killing of innocents. Like how now you have proposed to attack the Maharani because she annoyed you? Despite the fact that she saved Stefani and led to more progress in this council by the survival of a now confirmed individual? Much unlike yourself I think, if you truly want to aid the council, you should not be aiming to remove suspects, for this can end up to be counter productive. Instead, you should follow the Maharani's example and protect your fellow lords. This is not sitting down and waiting to die my dear Chaos Knight, this is being proactive to determine who amongst us are innocent. Would it not be preferable to determine our fellow lord's innocence through their survival rather that to see them dead, and cry foul?
This is the logic that you are proposing Chaos Knight. I oppose your motions because they run a great risk of being counter productive, and now you merely seek to support my theories by the fact of your opposition to the Maharani, seeking to kill her this night. I say Chaos Knight, if you come for me in the night, so be it, but you are wasting good men and I greatly anticipate the moment where you realize you are wrong and you eat your words solemnly.
I bid thee a good day.
Why did you vote Lord Dimitri of the Chickens? His big feathery outfit amuses me.
Lord Dimitri is pleased that the Consul finds reprieve from his daily toils with our entertainment.
Romanic has convinced me that I should drop the whole "ATPG" schtick and just roleplay as the Hungry Khan and enjoy the game. To that end I'm not going to bother playing perfectly and protecting everyone. Time for some Hungry Kharnage.
Excellent! To that venture I believe we will be seeing more of that action you desire Chaos Knight, I believe you have been rendered obsolete should you wish to continue your venture down that path.
To this end, I will:
Unvote: Yes
Vote: No
Capable consul's to lead us! Just what we needed. Not afraid to get his hands dirty too, I am very pleased.
On a final note, I second the Legate's proposed amendments to the motion. It would greater further our mutual goals, which is to reduce possibility of tyranny, yet allow the consuls to perform their duties.
Motion Vote: No - as it is currently worded.
I would propose it be changed so as to remove 3, and allow in 4 for a consul to receive an army by popular vote. I see no need to limit a Consuls time, only to limit the extent of his power.
Consul could recieve an army by popular vote, so your number 4 is irrelevant. Also Consuls can be re-elected, however, it will allow us to actually get rid of the bad Consuls without having to kill them.
On a final note, I second the Legate's proposed amendments to the motion. It would greater further our mutual goals, which is to reduce possibility of tyranny, yet allow the consuls to perform their duties.
Yet you are removing the motion which would affect this the most.
This could go on indefinitely for as long as the Consuls continue to vote for No Lynch.
.
This Consul voted for autolycus last round.
I have to say, after reviewing the actions of this Council, that the most suspicious to me right now is Death is yonder.
And this is not because he voted for me... rather, it is due to the notion that rebels despise vigilante justice [read: mafia hate vigilantes].
To be fair, vigs aren't a trusted a true method of defeating the mafia (See:Shadow Fort). The method of vigging is also different from standard ones, as the target will be killed outright.
I am hearing grumblings about me not being decisive enough. Very well, I shall show you how decisive I can be.
Vote for Lynch:Psychonaut
Speak up de Gasteiz. Or if we strike you down, will you become more powerful than we could ever imagine?
Since the motion has not been amended:
Duke Nukem von Subotan, Consul proposes the following motion, known as the Act for the Protection of the Sovereignty of the Holy Bovine Empire.
The act adds the following regulations to the position of Consul:
1. Council Members cannot nominate themselves for the position of Consul.
2. Further motions and Consul elections cannot be influenced based on force strength. (the amount of armies)
3. The Consul has a fixed-term limit of 5 rounds (5 night actions), they can be re-elected.
a) After the fifth night, the consul automatically lose the consul additional forces, and the newly elected consuls gain them.
b) The first election shall be held on the sixth day.
4. The armies seized from another player by a Consul shall go to popular vote, not be added to the consuls own armies.
Vote:Amended Motion
Since the motion has not been amended:
[All you did was add it by two rounds, which is overkill. 3 rounds were the right number.
Also, you never asked Beefy, and as such, your 'amended motion' is currently invalid. probably best to say you have a different idea, and see what the host decides. Not jump in randomly saying you have authority on the issue.]
Beefy187
06-03-2010, 12:49
If there is a motion, I'll have to extend the day phase.
For the sake of the game, best not to spam them.
Not directed at Subo. I'm more then happy to acknowledge that motion.
OOC:
Romanic has convinced me that I should drop the whole "ATPG" schtick and just roleplay as the Hungry Khan and enjoy the game. To that end I'm not going to bother playing perfectly and protecting everyone. Time for some Hungry Kharnage.
Are you trying to say that you are going to start attacking people again to grab some more armies greedily?
Speak up de Gasteiz. Or if we strike you down, will you become more powerful than we could ever imagine?
Lol. To be 100% honest I'm not really paying too much attention to the game. So this get's a hearty "meh" from me. Plus lol.. powerful... I have 1 army and I've been defending at the request of ATPG.
Death is yonder
06-03-2010, 16:36
Beefy, just a minor query for all our sakes. When does the phase end now, with all the motion extensions etc?
:bow:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-03-2010, 17:33
Let me just clear this up: mafia can use their armies to defend a player, but then kill them anyway right?
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2010, 17:37
Are you trying to say that you are going to start attacking people again to grab some more armies greedily?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/EPYC/shaokahn.jpg
Voice Booming:
You dare insult the great and powerful Khan of the Hungry Horde?
You sniveling little weasel. You don't deserve to live anymore.
Criticism I can take.... suggested actions, I will listen. New plans, new strategies, even being told that you think you can do a better job as Consul. But calling the Khan's actions thus far 'greedy' means YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!
Vote: Beskar
Double A
06-03-2010, 17:39
:laugh4:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-03-2010, 17:43
Criticism I can take.... suggested actions, I will listen. New plans, new strategies, even being told that you think you can do a better job as Consul. But calling the Khan's actions thus far 'greedy' means YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!
*Cue insane game change*.
Death is yonder
06-03-2010, 18:45
*Cue insane game change*.
*Visibly Shocked*
My dear khaan, it appears that your extreme makeover has gone rather... well :sweatdrop:
Perhaps its time to take a break and visit a nice chicken resort. The scenery is very calming and peaceful!
Unvote: No
Vote: Yes (Motion)
I support generally logical actions that are taken in wisdom, but the current course of action proposed by the Khaan smacks of action taken with words whispered into his ears by malicious advisers. The voting of Stefani for the lynch is a greatly shocking event, contrary to the Khaan's previous near-sterling reputation, this is a massive roundabout turn. I must protest at once.
I seek Consul Duke Nukem Von Subotan's take on the matter.
https://img168.imageshack.us/img168/460/atpgtyrant.jpg
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
06-03-2010, 18:50
Am I still in here?
Council Members, the republic is Threatened by the Tyrant Beefdom Sympathiser, Khan Pizza.
He is corrupted and tainted with the blood of Beefdom, his actions shall reveal this all to you.
Since the beginning, the Khan said in the private chambers about taking a hands-off approach, however, when Council got under way, he jumped at the opportunity of Consul. He then proceeded to attempt to control everyone’s night actions, while sending out armies to attack other members for his own gain. During the round, he also nominated himself for more armies in order to concentrate his power hold more, in order to abuse the council system.
This received much criticism; most notable was Duke of Puce (autolycus) and Stefan vi Britannia (Beskar), the Khan promised to change his ways, and adopted a strategy given to him by Stefan for the consuls to protect the council members. However, during this strategy, he purposefully did not protect Duke of Puce and Stefan, who ended up getting attacked. Stefan only survived because of the Maheerni acting out of Pizza’s orders. It doesn’t take much to realise Khaan Pizza did this deliberately.
During the round, many others noticed this, including Legate Casimir, who suspected the Khaan. The Khaan continued trying to further his army stronghold, he also is the biggest objector to the motion because he weakens his tyrant beefdom grip from the Consuls chair.
The Khaan announced he will attack council members at night in order to strengthen his own armed forces and in order for the Khan Pizza to revive the Beefdom.
Council Members, do your duty, and throw down this Beefdom tyrant, for the sake of the Holy Bovine Empire and put his head on the end of a pike.
Vote: AskthePizzaGuy
(Also the fact when I accused him, he decides to vote for me. He is obviously scum.)
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2010, 18:54
(or obviously roleplaying)
:wink:
(or obviously roleplaying)
:wink:
(Nice attempt at an excuse. Funny this happens when I started accusing you on MSN, you come in here and try to get me killed off.)
Best thread I've ever subscribed to! *cough*onlyone*cough*
Never had Pizza down as being that obtuse, though.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-03-2010, 19:14
Let's all shout in horrifically big text!
http://www.alburgan.com/arab_sheikh.jpg
Seriously guys, chill. Be more like Sheikh Al-A. I invite you both to share in my flavoured tobacco pipe and discuss things calmly.
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2010, 19:30
(Nice attempt at an excuse. Funny this happens when I started accusing you on MSN, you come in here and try to get me killed off.)
Check the time stamps........ my vote was before your accusation.
:wink:
Funny the accusation happens after I vote you.
Check the time stamps........ my vote was before your accusation.
Funny the accusation happens after I vote you.
(No it doesn't, since I accused you in the post you quoted, so that makes no sense.)
Double A
06-03-2010, 19:42
Size 7 text is really big.
And fun to type in.
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2010, 19:43
Seriously guys, chill. Be more like Sheikh Al-A. I invite you both to share in my flavoured tobacco pipe and discuss things calmly.
Oh, no you don't. I already tried this bean-flavored beverage you call "coffee", and see what it has done to my nerves? :laugh4:
(No it doesn't, since I accused you in the post you quoted, so that makes no sense.)
I started accusing you on MSN
Obvious context is obvious.
I seek Consul Duke Nukem Von Subotan's take on the matter
I am extremely concerned. My fellow Consul's behaviour is irresponsible and dangerous. His vote for a confirmed innocent is extremely reckless, and detrimental to the interests of the Holy Bovine Empire. Combined with his voting power, I have no choice but to vote for a possible scum to prevent the death of a loyal member of the Empire.
Unvote;Vote:Askthepizzaguy
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-03-2010, 22:34
Consul Khaan, Sheikh Al-A would like to strongly urge you to return to the realms or rationality. Such a powerful member of the Council should renounce his threats again a fellow Lord and friend.
If, Khaan, the dreaded e-coli has corrupted your pepperoni armies, we must take certain preventative measure. Namely Vote: AskThePizzaGuy
I am extremely concerned. My fellow Consul's behaviour is irresponsible and dangerous. His vote for a confirmed innocent is extremely reckless, and detrimental to the interests of the Holy Bovine Empire. Combined with his voting power, I have no choice but to vote for a possible scum to prevent the death of a loyal member of the Empire.
Unvote;Vote:Askthepizzaguy
"Hear, hear.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy"
Edit: Invalid vote, I did not unvote.
Beefy187
06-03-2010, 23:35
Am I still in here?
Yes Warman. Your still alive and you can still talk.
But you don't have a vote.
Beefy187
06-03-2010, 23:37
Let me just clear this up: mafia can use their armies to defend a player, but then kill them anyway right?
Yes.
(Actually never mind... It makes it harder to count, and I changed enough rules already. Just vote, and I'll add your faction strengths in)
If I was in this game, you'd have lynched me already... I would have chastised you all repeatedly for making so many assumptions, and because I'm not a metallic bovine or a grinning samurai, you'd have voted me off for calling you out. :P
I'm really glad I'm watching it so avidly though, it's pretty fun as a spectator. :3
If I was in this game, you'd have lynched me already... I would have chastised you all repeatedly for making so many assumptions, and because I'm not a metallic bovine or a grinning samurai, you'd have voted me off for calling you out. :P
I'm really glad I'm watching it so avidly though, it's pretty fun as a spectator. :3
:whip: aka, Secura now wants to play because the game is awesome and regrets it. I told you Beefy's game will be great.
:whip: aka, Secura now wants to play because the game is awesome and regrets it. I told you Beefy's game will be great.
Well, I was mulling over a name and flag to sign up properly, but the game started earlier while I was asleep, I think... I love the roleplaying aspect and the narrative, not too sure on mechanics. Those are always an utter pain to sort out, and it makes me worried about my own game. :<
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2010, 00:55
To everyone voting for me:
You wanted me to stop trying to win win win with perfect strategizing and then roleplay more, and when I do, you lynch me.
?
Whatever. Have a fun game. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2010, 00:57
unvote: Beskar
vote: Askthepizzaguy
Resign as Consul
To everyone voting for me:
You wanted me to stop trying to win win win with perfect strategizing and then roleplay more, and when I do, you lynch me.
?
Whatever. Have a fun game. :bow:
(OOC: Come on now... Your big fun RP post is stacking 7 votes on a person who was just attacked by the mafia the previous night and you expect this to slide just because its "fun RP"?)
Whatever your intentions were, you have to admit you pretty much brought this upon yourself.
Splitpersonality
06-04-2010, 01:59
(OOC: Come on now... Your big fun RP post is stacking 7 votes on a person who was just attacked by the mafia the previous night and you expect this to slide just because its "fun RP"?)
You can only ask so much of a man, you can ask him to play right, or to play as roleplaying.
If they are fundamentally juxtaposed with each other what more can you expect?
I really wish I had a support vote, because I, for one, see ATPG as a great asset if he's not role playing.
You can only ask so much of a man, you can ask him to play right, or to play as roleplaying.
If they are fundamentally juxtaposed with each other what more can you expect?
I really wish I had a support vote, because I, for one, see ATPG as a great asset if he's not role playing.
(Right, roleplaying is putting single handedly in the lead one the players the least likely to be mafia, just because they have called you greedy. You know, this wouldn't have happened if ATPG's vote was worth 1 vote, but 7 votes on a person is like being a one man bandwagon. I'm very sorry you associate roleplayer with making poor decisions or fooling around, because its not necessarily that.)
Splitpersonality
06-04-2010, 02:15
(Right, roleplaying is putting single handedly in the lead one the players the least likely to be mafia, just because they have called you greedy. You know, this wouldn't have happened if ATPG's vote was worth 1 vote, but 7 votes on a person is like being a one man bandwagon. I'm very sorry you associate roleplayer with making poor decisions or fooling around, because its not necessarily that.)
Absolutely no offense is meant by this, but don't tell me what I associate. I understand that not all roleplayers, or people who roleplay even infrequently do these things.
I am simply saying, that this seems to be ATPG's personal style, and I don't think we should ask him to change who he is because we don't like it.
Absolutely no offense is meant by this, but don't tell me what I associate. I understand that not all roleplayers, or people who roleplay even infrequently do these things.
I am simply saying, that this seems to be ATPG's personal style, and I don't think we should ask him to change who he is because we don't like it.
(Alright, I assumed too much in reading your post, sorry. :bow: ATPG can play as he wants, his was funny in his usual fashion, I just don't see how everyone else reaction was unjustified, to me it is very justified. Especially since I never asked him to change his style or to roleplay.)
*Lord Sausage bangs his fist on the table hard*
Enough with the nonsense! Our consuls made a good job last night protecting twelve (yes twelve!) of us with a good strategy, and now I am hearing talks about lynching one of them? The source of these rebellious thoughts must be the Beefdom itself. Let's see who started all this...
*Lord Sausage looks at some papers in front of him*
Ah... Ah-ha!!! I've found the enemy! But, it's my good friend Stefan Vi Brittania :(
This received much criticism; most notable was Duke of Puce (autolycus) and Stefan vi Britannia (Beskar), the Khan promised to change his ways, and adopted a strategy given to him by Stefan for the consuls to protect the council members. However, during this strategy, he purposefully did not protect Duke of Puce and Stefan, who ended up getting attacked. Stefan only survived because of the Maheerni acting out of Pizza’s orders. It doesn’t take much to realise Khaan Pizza did this deliberately.
How sure are you about this Stefan? I also spoke about strategic protection with Khaan Pizzaguy, and he preferred to keep his moves secret so that the Beefdom couldn't get any idea. To be blunt, I am having a hard time believing your claims. Pizzaguy would not reveal these orders to you when he knows your wife like to listen at the doors. If you died, she would have told every one of us about this and he could have been lynched for it.
It's a mistake to lynch our Consul at this time. I will register my protest like this:
vote: Beskar
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2010, 05:06
@Beefy-
RP information- The khan's self-vote indicates a seppuku. Honorable suicide before being hanged by these lowly peasants!
Death is yonder
06-04-2010, 05:15
Lord Dimitri is most displeased that all this action has occurred when he was asleep.
I understand that with the two Consul's voting for the Khaan, my vote has now become worthless. Nevertheless, I shall,
Unvote: Chaotix
Vote: ATPG
I will not stand to have a last minute vote change followed by a night of chaos. I am indeed sad that the Khaan has drastically reversed his mentality, and I am thoroughly confused as to the motives of Lord Sausage of voting Stefani. You may protest the reasons for voting the Khaan, but instead you vote Stefani who is practically confirmed innocent? You would rather sacrifice a confirmed innocent on the very basis that the Khaan has been attempting to do good work?
Earlier I have already stated that while I admire the Khaan's efforts, like the Chaos Knight, night actions do not prove much, other than being attacked by the renegades and surviving. The flaw in your reasoning is evident Lord Sausage. Have you just overplayed your hand and revealed your allegiance to the empire of Beefdom?
Deepest apologies if this was truly just trying to have fun, but there's always other ways instead of trying to kill off the the night kill survivor with a massive voting block due to your Consul power :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2010, 05:19
OOC: Was an In-Character, Roleplay-based, JOKE VOTE. I even told Beskar I'd reverse it if he just played along. I'd rather stay in-character than reverse my vote.
IC: You vile dogs have no honor anyway.
I will not stand to have a last minute vote change followed by a night of chaos. I am indeed sad that the Khaan has drastically reversed his mentality, and I am thoroughly confused as to the motives of Lord Sausage of voting Stefani. You may protest the reasons for voting the Khaan, but instead you vote Stefani who is practically confirmed innocent? You would rather sacrifice a confirmed innocent on the very basis that the Khaan has been attempting to do good work?
Lord Dimitri, be careful with your assumptions, the Beefdom is cunning and will defeat us if we don't pay attention. Stefan being attacked does not make him innocent, it could be a fake attack by the Beefdom, destined to make us believe that Stefan is on our side. This scenario makes even more sense if his Beefdom associate is Sergeant pevergreen or Lord Warman because with 0 army that's all they can do, a failing attack.
I am not saying Stefan vi Britannia is a Beefdom member, what I'm saying is:
Be alert, treachery is everywhere!
pevergreen
06-04-2010, 09:05
pevergreen stands up
THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL SOUND LIKE
HURRRRRR
Beefy187
06-04-2010, 10:24
*Yu Chang wakes up and looks around the council room.
He brushes his eyes and asks the very kind council member next to him...
"Could you tell me the current tally for me? I have to go shop some groceries.." :creep:
Council member blinked a couple times and gave him a weird look... But told Beefy the current tally anyway.
"Its...."
(Insert tally here)
Beefy187
06-04-2010, 13:49
But then that kind fellow next to him looked away and started to stare at those birds..
So Yu Chang sighed.... After watching his favourite soccer team "Team Japan" lose against Ivory Coast, he finally decided to count up and do the tally.
Tally was
Army
YLC (Romanic)
Beskar (Beskar, YLC, DIY, ArpeggiateTHIS, TheFlax, Chaotix)
Split (Split,)
ArpeggiateTHIS (Subot)
Pinmann (Pinmann)
pevergreen (ATPG,Double A)
Lynch
Chaotix (Flax, DiY)
DiY (Chaotix)
Psychonaut (Subotan)
Beskar (Romanic)
ATPG (Beskar, Subotan, ATPG, DIY)
So Yu Chang stood up and called it a day.
"Consuls! And other fellow members of this council. We have came to conclusion that both the motions are not to be passed (Correct me if I'm wrong.. forgot to do the tally for those), and that Army of North Puce will go to Beskar.
We would also like to execute Askthepizzaguy for his tyrannical behavior. Not fit for a man who is supposed to be Consul."
ATPG stood up and replied.
"Fools! You will not lynch me! Because I am the invisible Khanate! Rawr!!"
Despite the pathetic rawr, few of the council members shook in fear and started to defend the Khanate.
"His right! He doesn't deserve to be lynched!"
"Don't leave us Pizzaguy!!"
But those who pressed hard to lynch him, like Stefan Vi Brittania, Duke Nukem Von Subotan and Maharani Meera of Suiriene silenced the crowd.
"Majority has decided that Pizzaguy should be lynched. And look! Pizzaguy voted for him self!"
So the lynch squad advanced forward, ignoring the supporters plead.
Khaan Pizzaguy started whispering something rather familiar.
"It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell"
That certainly got the lynch squads thinking.. That gave few seconds for Pizzaguy to draw his sword.
"Harakiri!!" Shouted pizzaguy, thrusting his curved sword deep in his stomach. Drawing across it, then attempting to go for the heart.
But before getting there, he died.
This was rather shocking sight for some of the members. But they are rulers after all. They quickly pulled them selves together and started to head back to their own region.
"Good luck" said Yu Chang to every one as they left. "You'll need it"
Killed
Lord Stranger "pever slayer" I of the mountain of Spamdoom (The Stranger)
Imperator Maellrick of the Latinate Peoples (Centurion1)
Viscount of Eastern North Puce, Fernand Arsenic (Autolycus)
Lynched
Khaan Pizzaguy of the Hungry Khaanate (Askthepizzaguy)
Faction Strength
6 Army Strength (6 votes)
Duke Nukem Von Subotan (Subotan)- Consulate
2 Army strengths
Stefan vi Britannia; Order of Albion (Beskar)
Legate Casimir of the Yonder Commonwealth (YLC)
1 Army Strength (1 vote)
Sheikh Al-A- This of the Great Sands (ArpeggiateThis)
Maharani Meera of Suiriene (TheFlax)
Lord Sausage of the HotDog Kingdom (Romanic)
Methos
Lord Dimitri of the order of the Chickens (Death is Yonder)
Lord Blackadder of Buranda (Captain Blackadder)
Robert Blake of the "tower" (Double A)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty
Maduraiyin Naathigan (atheotes)
Pinman
Chaos Knight (Chaotix)
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao. (Psychonaut)
0 Army Strength (Killed if attack. Can't vote)
Sergeant pevergreen of the pever brigade of pevertopia (pevergreen)
Warman
Start Night 3! Sorry about the long day
How come y'all lynched Pizza?
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-04-2010, 14:15
How come y'all lynched Pizza?
Didn't particularly fancy aligning myself to the "oven-heated" Pizza. Sheikh Al-A preferred him to be level-headed; anybody who'd said otherwise probably wanted to disrupt his plans and allow mafia more room to breathe.
How come y'all lynched Pizza?
It was already argued.
Splitpersonality
06-04-2010, 14:47
Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid lynch.
Death is yonder
06-04-2010, 15:02
No one has obliged Beefy's request?
Sorry Beefster, this is what I get for opening a page and going off for dinner and a short game, then finally seeing your request, worked on it, then previewed the post, and saw the update already came! :shame:
Anyhow here's the proper tally. Bolded and underlined means that the numbers are technically the proper votes. Bolded and italicized means the dominating vote.
Tally:
Chaotix: 1(TheFlax)
DiY: 1(Chaotix,
No Lynch: 7(ATPG)
ATPG: 9(Beskar, Subotan, ArpeggiateTHIS, DiY)
Beskar: 1(Romanic)
Armies of Lord Puce:
YLC: 1(Romanic)
Beskar: 6(Beskar, YLC, DiY, ArpeggiateTHIS, TheFlax, Chaotix)
pevergreen: 3(pevergreen, ATPG, Double A)
Split: 1(Split)
ArpeggiateTHIS: 1(Subotan)
Pinman: 1(Pinman)
Motion Vote:
Yes: 7(Split, Beskar, Pinman, ArpeggiateTHIS, TheFlax, DiY, Psychonaut)
No: 9(Romanic, Double A, Subotan, YLC)
Abstain: (ATPG)
Invalid Votes:
No.1: ArpeggiateTHIS's invalid vote for the motion, without unvoting, therefore his previous vote shall be counted.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2500007&viewfull=1#post2500007
No.2: ATPG's invalid vote for Beskar, did not unvote from his previous stand of No Lynch
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2500503&viewfull=1#post2500503
No.3: ATPG unvotes his invalid vote, up to beefy if you want to just take it as a general unvote and then self vote, if not ATPG is technically still voting no lynch
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2500810&viewfull=1#post2500810
Edit: Editted for errors, the motion vote did not pass because due to the lack of the motion being passed yet, Consul Subotan's 6 votes had more weight.
I shall try to protect those who I think are the most vulnerable. However, I do have a limited number of armies, and I will not be able to protect some of you. Obviously, I can't reveal who I am protecting, but PM me if you feel that either you or someone else is in imminent danger.
Double A
06-04-2010, 20:47
How come y'all lynched Pizza?
Because "hilarious joke" and "mafia games" don't mix.
This lynch was most disturbing, the Beefdom is raising in power, I can feel it.
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2010, 21:08
Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid lynch.
6/4/2010 4:03:36 PM Beskar ATPG Though you might not have realised it, you basically killed yourself. You was that strong, all you had to do was vote for some one who already has a vote on them, then convince one person to join you
6/4/2010 4:04:48 PM ATPG Beskar The person in question was you
6/4/2010 4:04:53 PM ATPG Beskar I wasn't going to vote for you
6/4/2010 4:05:00 PM ATPG Beskar I figured you really were prob innocent
6/4/2010 4:05:17 PM ATPG Beskar Romanic voted for you
6/4/2010 4:05:20 PM ATPG Beskar I could have voted you
6/4/2010 4:05:24 PM ATPG Beskar and that would have been a tie
6/4/2010 4:05:26 PM ATPG Beskar So yeah
6/4/2010 4:05:29 PM ATPG Beskar I could have done that
6/4/2010 4:05:37 PM ATPG Beskar but it would have made me look guilty
6/4/2010 4:05:51 PM ATPG Beskar even if I succeeded you would have died.
And then you guys would have figured I was guilty
Beskar would be dead, then me shortly thereafter. So better for me to take the bullet since Subotan wanted me dead anyway.
Bad move Subo.
PROTECT BESKAR
Beefy187
06-04-2010, 21:28
I love you DiY :kiss:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-04-2010, 21:40
What? My motion vote was invalid? Then what would a valid vote look like?
"Unvote; Motion Vote: No"
I apologise, I am still relatively new to mafia games. Tell me if the above is correct so that I can make your lives easier.
EDIT: Romanic, I can actually taste less beef, more chicken at this moment in time. I, for one, was not prepared to stand by as one of our Consuls went beserk.
What? My motion vote was invalid? Then what would a valid vote look like?
"Unvote; Motion Vote: No"
I apologise, I am still relatively new to mafia games. Tell me if the above is correct so that I can make your lives easier.
EDIT: Romanic, I can actually taste less beef, more chicken at this moment in time. I, for one, was not prepared to stand by as one of our Consuls went beserk.
*slaps Sheikh Al-A- This* We're at night, it's too late to fix your vote.
We didn't know what Khaan Pizzaguy had in mind for tonight. Some of you were quick to pull the trigger on him but he may not have planned to attack innocents. What people say and what they do are two different things.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-04-2010, 22:20
*slaps Sheikh Al-A- This* We're at night, it's too late to fix your vote.
I was asking for guidance on how to correct a vote in future, not trying to amend it. Besides, my vote wouldn't have made a difference.
I love you DiY :kiss:
Say it isn't so. :no:
I was asking for guidance on how to correct a vote in future, not trying to amend it. Besides, my vote wouldn't have made a difference.
My apologies Sheikh Al-A- This, I read your missive too quickly. :embarassed:
Your unvoting syntax was correct.
Beefy187
06-05-2010, 03:02
Say it isn't so. :no:
As a friend :creep:
His a good friend.
pevergreen
06-05-2010, 06:41
So the ranking is
TheFlax
everyone else?
What about the good times Beefy? What about the memories?
Beefy187
06-05-2010, 08:34
Stop bullying the host everyone! Host has a feeling too :cry:
:elephant:
Double A
06-05-2010, 17:08
Stop bullying the host everyone! Host has a feeling too :cry:
:elephant:
Does Beef Monster need a hug?
Well the most you'll get out of me is a burger and a http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emot_vhappy.gif smiley.
pevergreen
06-06-2010, 04:26
Host has a feeling too :cry:
:elephant:
More than a feeling.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/I0jxRwp3V5Q/0.jpg
Beefy187
06-06-2010, 11:00
Sorry I was planning to do the write ups today, but I got really sick.
At one point, I had a temperature of 38.9, but managed to get it down to 37.4 now.
I'll see if I can get the write ups done by tuesday.
:inquisitive:
Edit - Argh. That sucks Beefy. Is it just a fever?
Double A
06-06-2010, 16:41
Wow you must be really cold, my average temperature is 97.6.
Death is yonder
06-06-2010, 17:44
Degrees Celsius Double A! :clown:
Anything past 37.6 Degrees Celsius is considered feverish already, 38.9, ouch :sweatdrop:
Get well soon Beefy, don't force yourself to get out of bed for this game. Personal health is always the utmost importance in priority levels :bow:
Double A
06-06-2010, 17:51
Unless you have school the next day, obviously.
Beefy187
06-07-2010, 21:56
I'm going to Uni today. I think I'll live.
I've managed to keep it to lower 37s and upper 36s yesterday.
That's good, I wouldn't want my host to turn into a steak :yes:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-07-2010, 23:08
Yeah, nice to hear you're feeling better Beefy.
Beefy187
06-09-2010, 08:17
Night 4 summery
With Consulate Pizzas suicide, Consulate Subotan was the only acting Consulate. This season was Subotans last season as a consulate unless he is reelected in his office, so after hours of deep thoughts, Subotan gave his last orders.
"1 army to protect the Noble men of Great sands, 1 army to protect our fair lady Maharani Meera.1 for Mudaraiyin Naathigan 1 each for our great friend Lord Dimitri and Lord Blackadder and 1 for the dreaded Chaos Knight."
His men nodded and headed off to various direction.
.................................................................................................... ......
Tonights most popular man was someone completely off the raider so far. Yet possibly one of the most important.
Madraiyin Naathigan was a merchant. (I believe I confused his character with Psychonauts a couple nights ago..)
Madraiyin owns the largest farmland in the known world, farming anything and everything.
But what made his farms most famous was the delicious meat products he managed to produce, which was well received in Sacred order of Kobe Beef long time ago. And it was still the understanding that Naathigan meats are the meat.
Presence of Consulars army was somewhat understandable. But for what reason the Hot Dog Kingdom came to the aid was not known.
Farmers had to suspect that Hot Dog Kingdom was after a trade off. 1 seasons protection, for small quantities of their best meats to be used for Hot Dogs.
Anyhow, all three armies faithfully did their duties of protection.
.....................................
Lord Dimitri sighed in relief upon hearing report from his spies in Albinion order. They said Stefan Vi Brittania and the order of Albion is too busy protecting them selves.
It was finally his chance to get moving.
"Men of Order of Chickens! Follow me! We ride to Suirinie!"
....................................
"Lord Dimitri! It is an honor to meet you again noble sire! Bless you thousand times!"
Dimitri thought to him self. If Maharni Meera told a dead man to get up, it will. Her voice was that beautiful.
"Protection is the least I can do Maharani" said Dimitri. "At least that is as far as I can go without your permission."
"Naughty Dimitri" Chuckled Meera. "Sorry but my heart is already taken by that fellow. Yu Chang."
"Yu chang? That old man? What so good about him!!"
Would've been Dimitris next line. But he swallowed those words.
"Yes. He is a briliant gentlemen. Elegant, Sophisticated. His perfume is... Cheese flavoured? Very nice. Beautiful rich white.... Silver hair."
"Careful Dimitri. His mine." Smiled Meera. Dimitri bowed, not knowing whether Meera is serious or joking.
....................................
Perhaps he was slightly arrogant. Or foolish to let his guard down too easily. Perhaps he did his very best.
Army... Those who swore to protect Judge Spl1t with their lives did their best. But not enough to protect him from Beefdoms merciless blade of death.
It was a sunny day. Perfect day for a walk around. Judge Spl1t and his hand picked men was off to a jog around the lake close by.
They heard a sound of flute in the distance.
They went off the road to investigate.
They went closer. Now they heard some singing too.
"Poor insects caught by the web.
Struggling to get out..
Little by little they start to understand.
That they have no chance."
They looked at each other. And went a little closer.
"Some foolish little ones never give up.
Fools hope? Wishful thinking?
They struggle and struggle until their last minute.
Hoping for what?"
"Hoping for what?" asked Spl1t. As he got the musicians in sight.
Old men in old black cloth. Begger perhaps. He was the flutist.
Lady in seemingly Mid 50s. Perhaps she would look yonger if she was in better shape. She was the singer. She looked straight into Spl1ts eyes.
"Hoping for a hero. Who thinks that the are tough enough to break the web. Who thinks who can save his comrades my lord." she answered. Giving a creepy smile.
"Nothing wrong with Heroism. Why not try for it?"
"Because Comrades are comrades. They are only flies, small bugs. No matter how big they think they are. They are only small bugs.From the spiders point of view, warriors, women, child doesn't matter. There are only baits and new comers. Soon to be the spiders feast."
Suddenly the old men charged at Spl1t, screaming with a knife in his hand.
Splt dodged the attack and stabbed the men in the back with his own knife.
"Old lady. I am no bug. I am the spider. And you are my prey."
Spl1t charged at the Old lady,Stabbing her deep in her chest.
"Indeed" smiled the dying lady, coughing blood on Spl1ts face. Clinging on to Splts body. "Smart man like you would've seen it coming."
"Heres my tip" mercilessly smirked Spl1t. "If your planning to kill someone. Do it fast. Don't bother creeping them to guts, or singing that your about to kill me... And don't paint Beefdom flag on your flute case."
Lady laughed and with her last breath she whispered. "If bugs are warriors, Spiders are emperors. But even emperors can't win against innocent human child who feels like killing a spider."
Spl1t raised his eye brows. Old lady smiled for the last time and pressed the botton. Spl1t and the Old Lady exploded into million of tiny flesh pieces.
Leaving his man shocked.
https://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo342/Hark34/Judge_Split_Flag.png
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"The Tower" was built after the second Noble Sons War. With the establishment of the pax Bovinus, Lacy saw a need of national branch in charge of espionage.
Their main mission is counter terrorism, investigation of public opinion regarding the current government and assasination of figure who cause unnecessary civil unrest.
Hand picked 100 men, who achieved their maximum potential in area of agility, strength, stealth and communication skills works under the orders of famous Robert Blake.
After hours of various simulations and theories,working off the pattern graphs, it was decided that Stefan Vi Britannia was much more likely to be attacked this season then any others.
Thus Robert Blake sent all his men in haste for his protection.
Stefan Vi Britannia was surprised to get a visit from the so called Ninjas of the tower. But he was assured when they claimed that their job is to protect his life.
Ninjas and men of Albion headed for various directions to make sure any one who is likely to murder Stefan doesn't enter his land.
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Ironically, it was not Lord Stefan who was attacked this season. But Robert Blake.He saw smokes coming in to his room. When he rushed to the veranda to check the cause of the smoke, he was hit with a giant mullet. Then dropped from the tall tower.
Even a tough men like Robert Blake who mastered almost all the martial arts in the world, could do nothing against gravity and impact.
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It was becoming a tradition for the dreaded Chaos Knight to attack someone each season.
This season, he thought Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao deserves to die.
The fearsome knight wrapped something on his arrow and took a shot.
Arrow dropped on the ground not that far away from where Bilbao was.
He trembled a bit and read.
"Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao.
You deserve to die
Your name is long
I don't understand how a street performing magician like you could sit on a council besides noble men.
Endure this punishment in the name of Holy Bovine Empire."
"Yikes! Is this blood?" Asked Bilbao.
Men beside him licked the ink.
"It tastes like ketchup. How cute for a dreaded knight.."
"Ok then... We might have a chance."
So the fake mage was up against a real mage.
The Chaos Knight charged up his highly inacurate but pretty powerful green blast.
While Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao went to the front of the battle line, as his followers cheered and charged up his own blast.
"Take this Chaos Knight!"
Two blast met in the middle.
"That fire works was pretty expensive you know!"
So Bilbao then took out his hat and chanted some words.
Pigeons came out of the hat, and bombarded the Chaos Knight with a dump.
But remembering the lesson learnt from his little adventure in Yonder Commonwealth, Chaos Knight quickly dodged the attack.
Was this the end of Bilbao? Did he use up all the tricks?
"Avada Kadavra!!" He screamed. Suddenly the ground cracked open and Chaos Knight disappeared.
His fast intel, and hours of hard digging was well worth it.
"Its a miracle!" shouted his followers. "Hail the Messiah! Hail the real magician! Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao!!"
"Easy laddies. It was too easy."
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao made sure anything who went in the pit died, being stabbed by hundreds of pikes.
But unfortunately, Chaos Knight wasn't normal. Bilbao saw him escape the pit, and fall back from where he came from.
"Better luck next season" said Bilbao, waving his hand sarcastically at the defeated enemy.
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Council was not too happy to hear about the death of Judge Spl1t and Robert Blake of the Tower.
Two important characters in Bovine Empires stability and security.
Once again, they decided Beefdom was still at large.. Possibly stronger.
And they all knew if they don't do something soon, something very big... and bad will happen.
With Khaan Pizzaguys death, new election for Consul office were to be held.
Start Day 5!
Killed
Lord Stranger "pever slayer" I of the mountain of Spamdoom (The Stranger)
Imperator Maellrick of the Latinate Peoples (Centurion1)
Viscount of Eastern North Puce, Fernand Arsenic (Autolycus)
Robert Blake of the "tower" (Double A)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty
Lynched
Khaan Pizzaguy of the Hungry Khaanate (Askthepizzaguy)
Faction Strength
2 Army strengths
Stefan vi Britannia; Order of Albion (Beskar)
Legate Casimir of the Yonder Commonwealth (YLC)
Duke Nukem Von Subotan (Subotan)- Consulate
1 Army Strength (1 vote)
Sheikh Al-A- This of the Great Sands (ArpeggiateThis)
Maharani Meera of Suiriene (TheFlax)
Lord Sausage of the HotDog Kingdom (Romanic)
Methos
Lord Dimitri of the order of the Chickens (Death is Yonder)
Lord Blackadder of Buranda (Captain Blackadder)
Maduraiyin Naathigan (atheotes)
Pinman
Chaos Knight (Chaotix)
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao. (Psychonaut)
0 Army Strength (Killed if attack. Can't vote)
Sergeant pevergreen of the pever brigade of pevertopia (pevergreen)
Warman
Vote: Beefy for Spl1ts army, Vote: Beefy for Double As army. and Vote: Beefy for Pizzaguys 2 armies.
Elect: Beefy to elect.
pevergreen
06-09-2010, 08:22
Vote: pevergreen
Elect: pevergreen
That is what you should all do
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-09-2010, 09:28
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
Sheikh Al-A This is a benevolent man. He asks for two extra armies so that he can reassure his men that he will be protected, and promises than one army will be used to protect a friend each turn.
Elect: ArpeggiateTHIS
Sheikh Al-A would make only the most rational of rational decisions as Consul, and would ensure that every loyal man is protected.
Interesting idea you have there Sheikh Al-A, running for Consul, but hopefully the other lords will see how foolish the idea is. We cannot have two Consuls with tight ties such as Von Subotan and you. The master and his lackey, hah! A nice pair of Consuls we would get!
******
So we lost two of our lords again, a pity. Brave attempt by our lone Consul to defend our lands, but the Beefdom was able to evade us again.
While I'm speaking about the Beefdom, let's have a look at their target selection so far:
Night 1
Lord Stranger "pever slayer" I of the mountain of Spamdoom (The Stranger)
Imperator Maellrick of the Latinate Peoples (Centurion1)
Night 2
Viscount of Eastern North Puce, Fernand Arsenic (Autolycus)
Stefan vi Britannia; Order of Albion (Beskar)
Night 3
Robert Blake of the "tower" (Double A)
Judge Split (Spl1tp3r50nal1ty)
The more I look at this list, the more I realize that one name does not fit with the others, and of course I am talking about Stefan vi Britannia. Every leader in this list has a low participation to our daily war meetings, except Stefan. Ask yourself why the Beefdom would select five low profiles targets and also pick Stefan vi Britannia, the answer is clear: This attack was a fake destined to fool us!
If you think hard about this, you will see that there we have a great suspect. vote: TheFlax
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Now that I've identified the Beefdom strategist, I earned the right to get some protection.
Vote: Romanic
Vote: Romanic
And since we had two kills last night, it's unlikely that pevertopia is an enemy, so let's grant him some armies too.
The green armies to (Vote:) pevergreen
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-09-2010, 12:09
Romanic, or whatever your Beefdom name is, Sheikh Al-A would like to firmly declare that he is not Von Subo's lapdog; he is only a lapdog to the Consul. (It just so happens that Von Subo is on the Consul, and that I agree with the Consul's motives. If you read back, you'll find that I mainly allied to Khaan Pizza before he went postal)
How have you identified the Beefom strategist? Remember, there is one master and two slaves working against us. You do not deserve extra armies for insight that is flawed at best, although you do deserve some protection.
Vote: Romanic
As for Pevergreen, he may be innocent but also a fool. I don't trust him with TWO armies just yet, but I agree he should have one.
Vote: Pevergreen Wait, what does Pevergreen even mean?
EDIT: I've changed my mind. I want the two armies.
pevergreen
06-09-2010, 12:51
I can't participate. I can't do anything at night and I can't vote...I asked to be killed, but THEY WONT KILL ME GAAH.
Seriously, I blame ATPG.
Double A
06-09-2010, 13:12
Nooo! I can't spit on any birdies if I'm dead!
Vote: TheFlax - For Protecting others.
Vote: DIY - For Protecting others.
Vote: ArpeggiateThis and Romanic - Active members.
Since the position of Consul is open, in order for it not to fall in the hands of tyranny and be used to protect fellow consul members, I nominate myself for the position, so I may carry out the will of the council.
Elect: Beskar (Stefan vi Britannia)
Vote: pevergreen
Vote: pevergreen
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
For now, let us empower the innocent - both Stefani and Lord pever are innocent, and SHOULD be protected. Also, although many of you don't agree with the Shiek, I'm still willing to put some faith in him.
Elect: YLC
I do not wish to see this fall into madness, and I am willing to continuously enact the now deceased Khaans plan. I promise, as before, to be completely transparent in my actions. I will not also hesitate to actively protect members of this council from belligerent members, and will do my best to permanently protect the innocent - as always, they take priority.
Please elect either pevergreen or Stefani as my fellow consul, so there shall be at least one consul you may all confide and trust in. But as always, the will of the Council is the will I shall follow.
:bow:.
Please elect either pevergreen or Stefani as my fellow consul, so there shall be at least one consul you may all confide and trust in. But as always, the will of the Council is the will I shall follow.
:bow:.
Does that mean Subotan is no longer a consul? Why so?
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-09-2010, 14:13
On second thoughts, maybe I am not the right man for the job of Consul.
Unelect
Then again, I'm not entirely sure who should succeed Pizza. Beskar and YLC, what makes you think you'd be a good Consul?
I might be changing my own vote, as I only thought one position of Consul was up for grabs, as it were.
However, I would still like to be nominated myself.
As for my qualifications. You remember Pizza's "plan" where he provides protection, in order to make the mafia unable to act? That plan was devised by myself. It was I who spoke to the Khaan with it, to prevent the Council devolving into tyranny and oppression.
So what you would recieve from me is more of that plan and the actual cunning genius behind it.
However, on another note, the Khaan with his dying breath muttered slanderous comments about Legate Casimir, along the lines of "when he runs for Consul, he will be a tyrant the likes of which you've never seen, just you wait." I don't know anything about the accuracy of the Khaan's words, but what is what he said.
he will be a tyrant the likes of which you've never seen
And he calls himself YLC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHY5L47tcHk)... xD
I might be changing my own vote, as I only thought one position of Consul was up for grabs, as it were.
However, I would still like to be nominated myself.
As for my qualifications. You remember Pizza's "plan" where he provides protection, in order to make the mafia unable to act? That plan was devised by myself. It was I who spoke to the Khaan with it, to prevent the Council devolving into tyranny and oppression.
So what you would recieve from me is more of that plan and the actual cunning genius behind it.
Whether you realize it or not, I privately pushed a similar plan to him as well, a plan that was filled with common sense. I'm not here to steal your thunder, but to gently remind you that the horse your trying to mount is rather high.
However, on another note, the Khaan with his dying breath muttered slanderous comments about Legate Casimir, along the lines of "when he runs for Consul, he will be a tyrant the likes of which you've never seen, just you wait." I don't know anything about the accuracy of the Khaan's words, but what is what he said.
I am sure in such a deranged state the Khaan would utter such things, pitty his mind had to go in such a way. However, tyrant I am not, especially considering your subtle opposition of me. I don't mind honestly, it's needed - to much in favor of a single man and we do end up with a tyrant. But I'd much prefer that we refrained from tarnishing each others character as much as necessary.
Again, if elected, I will continue the plan, act aggresively at the behest of the council and where needed, and insure that each member has equal say - I have no intention of keeping any armies that come my way during the Consulship, and all will be disperesed amongst my fellow council members. I will also be transparent in my movements if the council so wishes.
As much as the Legate is a pansy, he is also confirmed as being loyal to the empire.
Therefore Elect: YLC.
Stefan should be the other consul.
I agree that pevergreen and Sheik Al-a-This should be given armies. I also believe I should be given an army myself, so that I can actually kill someone with my Consul-sanctioned attacks.
Give pever the green armies- he is both the most innocent and the color matches his name.
Vote: pevergreen
Vote: Chaotix
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
Chaos Knight, I could best you in a duel or upon the field of battle any day, or night.
Why are we having a re-election when the both of the motions that were proposed failed?
Death is yonder
06-09-2010, 18:52
Well let us see now...
Vote: pevergreen
The lord of spamdom has proven his worth, he is not the culprit and deserves his forces back. I encourage all those wanting lord pevergreen to regain his former strength to vote in the red font, for it is in the lead.
The more I look at this list, the more I realize that one name does not fit with the others, and of course I am talking about Stefan vi Britannia. Every leader in this list has a low participation to our daily war meetings, except Stefan. Ask yourself why the Beefdom would select five low profiles targets and also pick Stefan vi Britannia, the answer is clear: This attack was a fake destined to fool us!
If you think hard about this, you will see that there we have a great suspect. vote: TheFlax
I'm rather confused by the votes for Lord Sausage though, his line of thinking is fairly odd. He seems to have descended from caution into paranoia. Lord Dimitri will eat his words if the above theory is the truth.
Personally, I do not see what gains lay in the path of the renegades, should a person be confirmed innocent by their own means, and become a beacon to rally upon for the council, whether he be a Consul or otherwise, the losses outweigh the gains it seems. The renegades would be betting all their money on a single horse, I doubt they are that foolish Lord Sausage. Though, I am interested to know why you wish to eliminate the Mahareeni. This cross universal (Daggers in the Night :clown:) obsession is banking on becoming a distraction and not thus not useful for the Council.
Some divine insight I have gained has prompted me to review some information that were contained within certain scrolls in the chamber:
- All player will start with the army strength of 1
- To kill. For the mafias to kill, they need to have same or higher points then their target.
Master Mind, may lend out his points to one of his men without getting him self in risk
This makes our work here increasingly difficult my lords. It poses a problem as now, I realize that increasingly with several people with army strengths over 1, it may be uncertain as to whether the traitor has one or two army strength. If we were to get everyone to expand all their additional forces in protection,
OOC: I've fired off an inquiry to beefy asking for him to respond in thread if the third quote above, about the "Master mind may lend his points without getting himself to risk" applies as a rule forcing the master mind to be unable to lend his army if that will result in him having zero, because I'm quite sure that qualifies as a risk. Its a fairly valid query, because that will solve a lot of our logistical issues as to who could be the mafia :thinking:
That being said, I second the Legate's decision to empower the innocent.
Vote: pevergreen
May you use this army wisely, perhaps consultation with our Consul's could result in a more efficient job all around.
As much as the Legate is a pansy, he is also confirmed as being loyal to the empire.
Not sure where the Legate was confirmed to being an innocent member of our Council. I trust him fairly well, but I'm not a hundred percent. Stefani though, I can see. I would be careful if I were you Chaos Knight, throwing your trust around without knowledge of the finer details in mind, yet bandying insults with other council members as if you were our superior.
As such,
Elect: Beskar
Stefani deserves to be one of the Consuls whereas the Legate? A good choice, a trustworthy man, though with a small margin of probability that he would the the traitor, one must always remember, while it is good to trust, it is never good to trust wholeheartedly without being cautious.
Lastly, I would like to nominate myself for the armies of our deceased Khaan. With our numbers dwindling and according to the scrolls I've found, the traitors numbers not decreasing, due to simple logical deduction, I believe myself a worthy candidate for the possession of the Khaan's armies. I pledge to use them solely for protection, and for vigilantism only in the most dire of needs, if you will have me.
Vote: DiY
Death is yonder
06-09-2010, 19:01
OOC Note: I would encourage us to start treating this like a typical mafia game, and start lynching a suspect. With a god father mechanic, lynching presents a pretty solid item for us to take out the renegade team's backbone. I doubt the game was meant to be played with protection and vigilantism only in mind.
- If Master Mind is lynched, Mafia team will lose instantly
I will act on my very early suspicions, which linger to this very moment, in the form of Lord Sausage.
Vote: Romanic
Only because I will feel very silly if I was suspicious of Romanic all game long, just to end up letting him slide by successfully. Lastly, I am fine if the you all decide that it still isn't the proper time to conduct a lynch, I just think that we should try, considering its an instant loss for the mafia should we hit lucky :book:
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2010, 19:37
Godfather mechanic was dropped, FYI. Just two basic mafiosi because of lack of enough participants.
I am sure in such a deranged state the Khaan would utter such things, pitty his mind had to go in such a way. However, tyrant I am not, especially considering your subtle opposition of me. I don't mind honestly, it's needed - to much in favor of a single man and we do end up with a tyrant. But I'd much prefer that we refrained from tarnishing each others character as much as necessary.
You misunderstood my intention, Legate. I was merely commenting on the slanderous comments he stated, not suggesting these comments are indeed correct or true. Alas, the dying words of a tyrant are sullenly not taken seriously anyway, so I do not believe your reputation is tarnished in anyway.
The Maharani frowns
"Since I am busy with some administrative duties at the moment (I'm at work) I will simply ask this of Lord Sausage. What have I gained since my protection of Lord Stefan? Have I once claimed it absolves me of all suspicions? Have I tried pushing for being a Consul based on this or have I even asked for one army based on this? No. Lord Stefan had sent his troops to protect me before and I returned the favor. Now if you'll excuse me, I have important things to attend to."
Godfather mechanic was dropped, FYI. Just two basic mafiosi because of lack of enough participants.
Yes, that ^ ! Thank you ghost of Khaan Pizzaguy.
Beefy already mentioned that the Godfather was removed and that we were against two Beefdom members. See the following post (#58)
Important Announcement
I've got 21 players right now. 22 including Secura, plus minus a few since I can't count :clown:
Important thing is that, unless I suddenly get a mass boost in numbers getting me up to 30, this is how its going to be.
God Father system, 3 mafias with one head -> Classical Mafia, 2 mafias
Army strength system and other systems will remain as the same, as I'm interested to see how things go.... yeesh your all my cute little guinea pig :curtain:
So just keep that in mind :bow:
Pms will be going out starting in 24 hours. Until then, sign up is still open.
When the game starts, it will start with a day.
I'm rather confused by the votes for Lord Sausage though, his line of thinking is fairly odd. He seems to have descended from caution into paranoia. Lord Dimitri will eat his words if the above theory is the truth.
Personally, I do not see what gains lay in the path of the renegades, should a person be confirmed innocent by their own means, and become a beacon to rally upon for the council, whether he be a Consul or otherwise, the losses outweigh the gains it seems. The renegades would be betting all their money on a single horse, I doubt they are that foolish Lord Sausage. Though, I am interested to know why you wish to eliminate the Mahareeni. This cross universal (Daggers in the Night :clown:) obsession is banking on becoming a distraction and not thus not useful for the Council.
My line of thinking is not odd. I you remember correctly, on night 1 our two consuls started attacking weaker lords and they increased in power on day 2. Pizzaguy already had 7 armies while Von Subotan had 6. It looked like the good guys could triumph easily, what would you do if you were a Beefdom? You would look for a cover story, or ways to change things. Two things that Maharani Meera acquired on day 2, one: He successfully protected Stefan, and two: He started being vocal against our best Consul's methods, who eventually was lynched.
Besides, I am not obsessed by Maharani Meera , and I am tickled that you bring this old story up. Hmmmm. Now you have me wondering if you really remembered that story by yourself, or if [I]someone refreshed your memory.
Here's a list of all the night actions so far. pardon my crude name writing:
Night 1 actions
Beskar defend(1) TheFlax
DiY defend(1) TheFlax
TheFlax defend(1) Pinman
Pinman defend(1) ArpegiatteTHIS
autolycus defend(1) ArpegiatteTHIS
Captain Blackadder defend(1) Split
ATPG attack(?) pevergreen (success)
Subotan attack(5) Warman (success)
Chaotix attack(1) centurion1 (fail)
centurion1 is killed by the Beefdom
The Stranger is killed by the Beefdom
Night 2 actions
Psychonaut defend(1) Pinman
ATPG defend(1) Split
ATPG defend(1) TheFlax
ATPG defend(1) Romanic
ATPG defend(1) Captain Blackadder
ATPG defend(1) pevergreen
ATPG defend(1) ArpegiatteTHIS
TheFlax defend(1) Beskar
Subotan defend(1) Chaotix
Subotan defend(2) ATPG
Autolycus defend(1) pevergreen
Beskar survives a Beefdom attack.
Chaotix attack(1) YLC (fail)
autolycus is killed by the Beefdom
Night 3 actions
Subotan defend(1) ArpegiatteTHIS
Subotan defend(1) TheFlax
Subotan defend(1) atheotes
Subotan defend(1) DiY
Subotan defend(1) Captain Blackadder
Subotan defend(1) Chaotix
Romanic defend(1) atheotes
DiY defend(1) TheFlax
Double A defend(1) Beskar
Chaotix attack(1) Psychonaut (fail)
Split is killed by the Beefdom
Double A is killed by the Beefdom
It's interesting to note that Lord Dimitri (DiY) has protected Maharani Meera (TheFlax) twice so far, and now he's shielding her from my accusations, having the audacity to call me a traitor.
Lord Dimitri, would you care to explain why you thought Maharani Meera was worthy of your protection 2 times? You two seem to have a strong link going on.
******
elect: pevergreen (he's innocent)
"Lord Sausage, when casting me as a traitor and calling for my death, the least you could do is not ignore me..."
Beefy187
06-09-2010, 23:23
I received a question on pm, so I'll answer.
Regarding the mastermind and his ability to give away army strengths.
Originally I had a god father set up in mind with 1 mastermind and 2 traitors, but since I was short on players numbers, I got rid of the mastermind. So you can forget about stuff regarding the Mastermind :bow:
Regarding Election, both consul spot is up for grabs. Army strength vote also works here, but with Subo losing his Consul ability, he too is down to 2 Army strength (IIRC).
If you have any questions, its probably better to pm me, as I might miss the post on public.
Day phase will finish in 24 hours to 36 hours from this post.
"Lord Sausage, when casting me as a traitor and calling for my death, the least you could do is not ignore me..."
Hssst! I am not ignoring you. What is it you want me to answer, let me see....
The Maharani frowns
"Since I am busy with some administrative duties at the moment (I'm at work) I will simply ask this of Lord Sausage. What have I gained since my protection of Lord Stefan? Have I once claimed it absolves me of all suspicions? Have I tried pushing for being a Consul based on this or have I even asked for one army based on this? No. Lord Stefan had sent his troops to protect me before and I returned the favor. Now if you'll excuse me, I have important things to attend to."
This? Well, well... Running for Consul is big and will attract attention. I think you may be waiting, hoping for someone to suggest it, gaining favor slowly. Rushing ahead would be dangerous, but creeping slowly into the hearts of the other lords would work like a charm.
What have you gained? You gained respect, appearance of an innocent, people like you more. Really, did I need to answer that question? It seems obvious to me that you did gain something by defending Stefan Vi Brittania successfully.
I think you, returning the protection favor to Stefan, is just a cover to hide what your true purpose was.
"Yes, we see here how much people like me... The only person who cares that I did a successful protection is Lord Stefan. The only person who seems to think this makes me a traitor is you. I'd understand you telling the others to be cautious if everyone was praising me for my protection of Lord Stefan, offering me to be Consul and declaring me to be an assured loyalist, but they are not. Basically, you are taking a single event and saying that it makes me a traitor. I take umbrage to that accusation, I did only what I thought best for this council. What about you Lord Sausage, what have you done for the Council recently, save for contradicting yourself on occasion?"
The current polls reflects exactly what I said, you are slowly making your way into their hearts. That's not my argument though, your current reputation doesn't matter, it's what you tried to accomplish that matters: A fake attack to make people think you are on the good side.
What about you Lord Sausage, what have you done for the Council recently, save for contradicting yourself on occasion?"
Heh, let's hear about that contradiction my dear Maharani. What evidence have you dug to spoil my, already tainted, image? :laugh4:
"What makes this disconcerting is how you are absolutely certain this was a fake attack to make people think I am on the good side. Is it so irrefutable I should now vote to execute myself like the Khan did?
Also, there is no evidence or should I say, there is as much evidence against you than you have provided against me."
New tally (takes in consideration army strength)
Tally:
Split army: pevergreen 4
Romanic 1
TheFlax 2
Chaotix 1
Double A army: pevergreen 3
Romanic 2
DIY 2
ArpeggiateThis 1
Pizzaguy army 1: pevergreen 2
ArpeggiateTHIS 5
DIY 1
Pizzaguy army 2: peveregreen 2
ArpeggiateTHIS 3
Romanic 2
DIY 1
Consul: pevergreen 1
Beskar 3
YLC 3
Lynch: TheFlax 1 (Romanic)
Romanic 1 (DIY)
Recasting votes for armies -
Vote: TheFlax - For Protecting others.
Vote: DIY - For Protecting others.
Vote: ArpeggiateThis - For activity.
Also, I don't recommend pevergreen to have so many votes, him having so much strength is frightening and suicidical of the council. He is not reknown for his good health in the mental cavity.
"What makes this disconcerting is how you are absolutely certain this was a fake attack to make people think I am on the good side. Is it so irrefutable I should now vote to execute myself like the Khan did?
Also, there is no evidence or should I say, there is as much evidence against you than you have provided against me."
I really wish I was "absolutely certain" :grin:, but in this world, you never know. The attack is likely to be a fake in my eyes, so I am pushing the discussion about it. Let's say for a minute that I believe you are innocent, what do you remember of Night 2? Did the Khaan ask you to make this defensive move? Have you told Stefan that you were going to protect him?
"The only message I received was from Autocylus and I was not the only one. The Khan, unlike for the first Night, didn't not send protection requests, nor did he inform me he would protect me. I also didn't send a message to Lord Stefan and neither did he send me a message. I didn't even know his own forces would be protecting him, if he hadn't decided to keep them on that phase, then he would be dead and my protection would have been useless.
Why is the attack likely fake? Pure statistical probability mean that everytime time someone protects another person, there is a chance, however small, that the agents of Beefdom will also target this person."
pevergreen
06-10-2010, 02:38
@Beskar: Ouch?
@Beskar: Ouch?
(It was roleplay, was just recommending not giving you 8 armies, then again, I wouldn't recommend giving 8 armies to anyone.)
pevergreen
06-10-2010, 03:02
mk.
(It was roleplay, was just recommending not giving you 8 armies, then again, I wouldn't recommend giving 8 armies to anyone.)
Indeed. I agree we should give pevergreen armies, just not all of the armies.
To avoid inadvertantly voting all of the armies to him, I believe we should decide now which ones to give to him. So, everybody who wants to give pevergreen armies, please vote him the green armies and only the green armies.
To YLC's post a long while back: It might be more prudent to avoid useless attempts at insulting the one supporting you.
Double A
06-10-2010, 04:48
Oh yeah Beefy here's my flag.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1259&pictureid=39616
Death is yonder
06-10-2010, 04:54
My line of thinking is not odd. I you remember correctly, on night 1 our two consuls started attacking weaker lords and they increased in power on day 2. Pizzaguy already had 7 armies while Von Subotan had 6. It looked like the good guys could triumph easily, what would you do if you were a Beefdom? You would look for a cover story, or ways to change things. Two things that Maharani Meera acquired on day 2, one: He successfully protected Stefan, and two: He started being vocal against our best Consul's methods, who eventually was lynched.
Besides, I am not obsessed by Maharani Meera , and I am tickled that you bring this old story up. Hmmmm. Now you have me wondering if you really remembered that story by yourself, or if [I]someone refreshed your memory.
All my posts are role play, you can choose to pick the substance, or you can choose to pick the fluff, its entirely your prerogative :bow:
The insinuations in this post are largely hypothetical and verging on paranoia. Lord Sausage also suggests that Lord Dimitri has a short term memory and only remembers his last meal and his master feeding him? Good sir, I am not a chicken! I adore them though.
Hindsight is 20/20, it was Beskar who started the case against pizza. Citing him acting on his suspicions and others following due to the paranoia of a dominant mafia is irrelevant. The fact that pizza was innocent does not instantly make TheFlax guilty by your line of reasoning, I don't buy it. I'm not saying that Flax is innocent, I'm just saying that your logic doesn't follow through to the conclusion that Flax is guilty. Its largely "if, maybe, if, maybe". By your logic you would also seek to remove Beskar then, for proposing the motions to limit Consulate power. Which is why I don't follow :bow:
Regarding the mastermind and his ability to give away army strengths.
Originally I had a god father set up in mind with 1 mastermind and 2 traitors, but since I was short on players numbers, I got rid of the mastermind. So you can forget about stuff regarding the Mastermind
Unvote: Romanic
Vote: No Lynch
Very well, I will abstain from a move such as this while the Council regains its stability with its Consul elections.
Here's a list of all the night actions so far. pardon my crude name writing:
It's interesting to note that Lord Dimitri (DiY) has protected Maharani Meera (TheFlax) twice so far, and now he's shielding her from my accusations, having the audacity to call me a traitor.
Lord Dimitri, would you care to explain why you thought Maharani Meera was worthy of your protection 2 times? You two seem to have a strong link going on.
******
elect: pevergreen (he's innocent)
Lord Sausage, the first night, the Consul of the Hungry Khaan requested that I and a few others protected the Maharani. If you have any issues with that, feel free to bring it up. The previous night, I protected the Maharani AGAIN as I thought that with her contributions to Lord Stefani's vindication, she would be a prime target as thus while not affirming her innocence, it would be place her status in the realm of "more likely innocent than others". So, forgive me for acting upon my own line of thought if that so distresses you.
Additionally, so as to not waste the votes of the Council, I will adjust my votes accordingly.
Unvote: pevergreen
Unvote: DiY
Vote: pevergreen
Vote:TheFlax
Vote: DiY
You may raise your eyebrows at this move Lord Sausage. Yet the reality is that I would rather let the Maharani have the army, as proposed by Stefani, rather than let you, whom I suspect, or the Chaos Knight, who've likewise I've expressed discontent with his belligerent behavior, have the armies. Lord pever gets the 2 armies this way still, so all is well.
Additionally, Lord Stefani should be elected Consul. The Legate is another fairly good choice considering his knowledgeable background.
It was becoming a tradition for the dreaded Chaos Knight to attack someone each season.
This season, he thought Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao deserves to die.
The fearsome knight wrapped something on his arrow and took a shot.
Arrow dropped on the ground not that far away from where Bilbao was.
He trembled a bit and read.
"Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao.
You deserve to die
Your name is long
I don't understand how a street performing magician like you could sit on a council besides noble men.
Endure this punishment in the name of Holy Bovine Empire."
"Yikes! Is this blood?" Asked Bilbao.
Men beside him licked the ink.
"It tastes like ketchup. How cute for a dreaded knight.."
"Ok then... We might have a chance."
So the fake mage was up against a real mage.
The Chaos Knight charged up his highly inacurate but pretty powerful green blast.
While Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao went to the front of the battle line, as his followers cheered and charged up his own blast.
"Take this Chaos Knight!"
Two blast met in the middle.
"That fire works was pretty expensive you know!"
So Bilbao then took out his hat and chanted some words.
Pigeons came out of the hat, and bombarded the Chaos Knight with a dump.
But remembering the lesson learnt from his little adventure in Yonder Commonwealth, Chaos Knight quickly dodged the attack.
Was this the end of Bilbao? Did he use up all the tricks?
"Avada Kadavra!!" He screamed. Suddenly the ground cracked open and Chaos Knight disappeared.
His fast intel, and hours of hard digging was well worth it.
"Its a miracle!" shouted his followers. "Hail the Messiah! Hail the real magician! Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao!!"
"Easy laddies. It was too easy."
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao made sure anything who went in the pit died, being stabbed by hundreds of pikes.
But unfortunately, Chaos Knight wasn't normal. Bilbao saw him escape the pit, and fall back from where he came from.
"Better luck next season" said Bilbao, waving his hand sarcastically at the defeated enemy.
Thanks Beefy. That was awesome. I never pictured myself as a magician, but it's perfect.
Why is the attack likely fake? Pure statistical probability mean that everytime time someone protects another person, there is a chance, however small, that the agents of Beefdom will also target this person.
Again, the core of my argument about this is the fact that Stefan vi Brittania is out of place with the other Beefdom targets. He is the only high-profile lord who has been attacked.
High profile = active/useful, you know.
Hindsight is 20/20, it was Beskar who started the case against pizza. Citing him acting on his suspicions and others following due to the paranoia of a dominant mafia is irrelevant. The fact that pizza was innocent does not instantly make TheFlax guilty by your line of reasoning, I don't buy it. I'm not saying that Flax is innocent, I'm just saying that your logic doesn't follow through to the conclusion that Flax is guilty. Its largely "if, maybe, if, maybe". By your logic you would also seek to remove Beskar then, for proposing the motions to limit Consulate power. Which is why I don't follow :bow:
You don't follow, let me try to explain.
1) Stefan vu Brittania does not fit well with the other lords that the Beefdom attacked. Conclusion: The attack was likely a fake.
2) The attack was likely a fake, let's see who would benefit the most from it and who would has the most control on to achieve such a result.
2a) Who would benefit from this fake attack? Maharani Meera & Stefan vi Brittania.
2b) Who could likely pull this fake attack? Maharani Meera because being the defenser he is certain to get a favorable result: either Stefan dies if his army wasn't protecting him, or he survives and Maharani looks like a hero.
3) Conclusion: Maharani is a suspect.
Of course there's other stuff around, such as Maharani Meera going out vocal against the Khaan, and it reinforces my suspicions of her.
And you are right about Stefan vi Brittania, he is indeed 2nd of my suspect list, because of his role in the fake attack and the removal of the Khaan, but hey, I'm one who likes to pound on my best suspect, one at a time.
Lord Sausage, the first night, the Consul of the Hungry Khaan requested that I and a few others protected the Maharani. If you have any issues with that, feel free to bring it up. The previous night, I protected the Maharani AGAIN as I thought that with her contributions to Lord Stefani's vindication, she would be a prime target as thus while not affirming her innocence, it would be place her status in the realm of "more likely innocent than others". So, forgive me for acting upon my own line of thought if that so distresses you.
Oh, but it does not distress me Lord Dimitri, I was merely wanting to know why you were protecting Maharani Meera, and I thank you for your answer. :bow:
Unvote: pevergreen
Unvote: DiY
Vote: pevergreen
Vote:TheFlax
Vote: DiY
You may raise your eyebrows at this move Lord Sausage. Yet the reality is that I would rather let the Maharani have the army, as proposed by Stefani, rather than let you, whom I suspect, or the Chaos Knight, who've likewise I've expressed discontent with his belligerent behavior, have the armies. Lord pever gets the 2 armies this way still, so all is well.
Additionally, Lord Stefani should be elected Consul. The Legate is another fairly good choice considering his knowledgeable background.[/FONT]
:smug2: I am not surprised. As I said, the M&M lady is creeping her way to the top of the pyramid as a result of saving Stefan vi Brittania. I gave the warning, but it's your prerogative to vote as you please.
Death is yonder
06-10-2010, 07:58
Lord Dimitri would like to remark to Lord Sausage that the traitors are not obligated to continue killing low profile targets now that we are entering the mid game. Lord Dimitri would also like to stress how kill patterns give very little information, other than who the renegades want dead.
1) Stefan vu Brittania does not fit well with the other lords that the Beefdom attacked. Conclusion: The attack was likely a fake.
This premise of your argument supposedly lends credence to the rest, I have issue with this line of thinking. I do not refute that Stefan vu Brittania is a man different from the other attacked lords, but I do not accept the conclusion that follows from it, that is all that I am saying.
I do not see why Stefan should be on your suspect list at all.
Even if this attack is a fake, Stefan is definitely not one of the traitors we are looking for, and thus this is why I must protest your vehement arguments against the Maharani, because it is extremely likely that such a revelation as to Stefan's innocence would not benefit them in any way whatsoever.
Lord Sausage, I must beg you to look more carefully at the facts. This was not a fake attack, the traitors are by some divine law prevented from attacking their own. Therefore Stefan is easily confirmed as innocent. Do you understand where I am going? The maximum that your logic will go as to my intepretation, is that the Maharani is one of the traitors, and that somehow the credibility that she has gained from saving Stefani somehow outweighs the benefit to our Council to have Stefani be vindicated, and look, now he is a confirmed innocent soon to grasp the power of a Consul. Is this in any way highly beneficial to the traitors?
Edit: I've been saying this many times already, and apologies if it sounds repetitive or condescending, but you continually seem to be ignoring the given facts that Beskar IS innocent no matter what at this point, and continue rendering upon us a theory that smacks of paranoia.
Lord Sausage, if you continue with these illicit lines of thought, I will have no choice but to act upon my suspicions of you and vote to have you killed. The only reason I refrain right now is of a tiny hope that you are simply a misguided individual, and that our council has no Consuls right now, I would see stability before voting to act. However, my patience wears thin.
This was not a fake attack, the traitors are by some divine law prevented from attacking their own.
Mmmmm.
Let me see if I can find this law in the religious scriptures.... :book:
Nope. Can't find this law in the holy books Lord Dimitri, unless you have secret knowledge that I don't know about. Can you elaborate more?
Lord Sausage, if you continue with these illicit lines of thought, I will have no choice but to act upon my suspicions of you and vote to have you killed. The only reason I refrain right now is of a tiny hope that you are simply a misguided individual, and that our council has no Consuls right now, I would see stability before voting to act. However, my patience wears thin.:mellow: I am one who will die for his convictions, so your petty threats will not make me stop saying what I think is right. Go ahead and lynch me, Lord Dimitri, if that is what your heart tells you. However I suggest that you start making your own list of suspects and propose different lynch options rather than wasting your precious time defending other lords who should be able to do this by themselves. :bow:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-10-2010, 09:42
Romanic, can you not see that you are wasting your time pursuing this line of thought?
You need to think about what this information shows. To my recollection, Beskar only had one army at the time and was defended by the Maharani, giving him two armies (correct me if I'm wrong here). Mafia only need to have an equal amount of armies to their targets to kill, therefore Beskar's attacker must have only had one army.
Wait, does this help at all? Hmm. *Goes to check thread*
EDIT: Yes, so Beskar had one army at the time and was defended by another. My statement above is correct. Not that it's very beneficial.
I'd probably guess that both Beefdom Rebels only have one army, and we should try to keep it that way. People, please, watch who you assign armies to.
Elect:Beskar
There are numerous reasons for this. Beskar, in my last night as Consul, proved himself to be extremely co-operative and pragamatic, and his actions and level of involvement in the Council confirm that he would make a good Consul. The fact that he is a confirmed innocent makes his selection even more attractive. Also, I feel there are underlying vulnerabilities with both YLC and PEVERGREEN. For a fantastic reason as to why you do not want PEVERGREEN in a position of responsibility on your side, see Ye Olde Legende, the Return of the Sith, despite his confirmed innocence. YLC is also something of an unknown quantity. Although he might make a good consul if he was innocent, there is nothing to the degree of the cast-iron evidence that Beskar is innocent for YLC.
Vote: PEVERGREEN
Vote: DIY
Vote: ArpeggiateThis
Romanic, can you not see that you are wasting your time pursuing this line of thought?
No. :laugh4:
You need to think about what this information shows. To my recollection, Beskar only had one army at the time and was defended by the Maharani, giving him two armies (correct me if I'm wrong here). Mafia only need to have an equal amount of armies to their targets to kill, therefore Beskar's attacker must have only had one army.
Wait, does this help at all? Hmm. *Goes to check thread*
EDIT: Yes, so Beskar had one army at the time and was defended by another. My statement above is correct. Not that it's very beneficial.
Indeed, it's not very beneficial dear Sheik. :laugh4: Besides, I know exactly how many armies each players had attacking and defending on Night 2. It's a mistake to believe that I didn't think this through before posting my suspicions.
Night 2 situation:
<table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 209pt;" width="279" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><col style="width: 113pt;" width="151"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64" span="2"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 113pt;" width="151" height="17">
</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt;" width="64">attack</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt;" width="64">defense</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">ArpegiatteThis</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">3*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Askthepizzaguy</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">7*</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">atheotes</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Autolycus</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Beskar</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Captain Blackadder</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Chaotix</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Death is Yonder</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Double A</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Methos</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">pevergreen</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pinman</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Psychonaut</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Romanic</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Spl1tp3r50nal1ty</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Subotan</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">6*</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">3*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">TheFlax</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Warman</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">YLC</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
I'd probably guess that both Beefdom Rebels only have one army, and we should try to keep it that way. People, please, watch who you assign armies to.
Very good, now you are talking! We should limit the number of lords with 2 armies or more. I said that already in the last round, but the other lords don't listen to me.
Death is yonder
06-10-2010, 11:13
Mmmmm.
Let me see if I can find this law in the religious scriptures.... :book:
Nope. Can't find this law in the holy books Lord Dimitri, unless you have secret knowledge that I don't know about. Can you elaborate more?
:mellow: I am one who will die for his convictions, so your petty threats will not make me stop saying what I think is right. Go ahead and lynch me, Lord Dimitri, if that is what your heart tells you. However I suggest that you start making your own list of suspects and propose different lynch options rather than wasting your precious time defending other lords who should be able to do this by themselves. :bow:
OOC: By rule in most if not all mafia games here, the mafia or whoever are not allowed to attack themselves. That is the reason why I rejected your theory of a fake attack, because the losses outweigh the gains for the traitors if they make Beskar a confirmed innocent.
My Lord Sausage, I am not wasting my time defending other lords who should be defending themselves. I am wisely using my time to prevent our council from acting upon a clearly ridiculous notion that needs to be stamped out.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-10-2010, 11:37
Night 2 situation:
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</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt;" width="64">attack</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt;" width="64">defense</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">ArpegiatteThis</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">3*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Askthepizzaguy</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">7*</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">atheotes</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Autolycus</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Beskar</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Captain Blackadder</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Chaotix</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Death is Yonder</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Double A</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Methos</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">pevergreen</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Pinman</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Psychonaut</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Romanic</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Spl1tp3r50nal1ty</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Subotan</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">6*</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">3*</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">TheFlax</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">1</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Warman</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" height="17">YLC</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">2*</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
What do you mean by "attacking"? I don't ever recall using my one army for anything but defending my own lands (although I did send orders to defend Autolycus in night 2, they were overlooked by Beefy). Nice table, anyway. I appreciate that at least somebody has been keeping count! (Mental note: do this in future games).
What do you mean by "attacking"?
Attacking means how many armies each individual had, and defending means how many armies were defending them that night... s'what I interpreted.
:curtain:
Captain Blackadder
06-10-2010, 12:03
Lord Blackadder comes forth from his lands
I am sorry one must ofrgive me important matters of state haver kept me from this meeting may I enquire as to the current debate regarding our position.
OOC: By rule in most if not all mafia games here, the mafia or whoever are not allowed to attack themselves. That is the reason why I rejected your theory of a fake attack, because the losses outweigh the gains for the traitors if they make Beskar a confirmed innocent.
OOC: Be careful with what you assume, this is not your standard mafia game. Of course if we can prove that such a rule exist in this game, I would agree that Beskar is innocent, but until then, I am not dropping the fake attack theory.
What do you mean by "attacking"? I don't ever recall using my one army for anything but defending my own lands (although I did send orders to defend Autolycus in night 2, they were overlooked by Beefy). Nice table, anyway. I appreciate that at least somebody has been keeping count! (Mental note: do this in future games).
Lady Secura is right, Sheikh Al-A- This: attack represents the number of armies available to attack, or simply the armies at the start of the turn. With this table you can quickly see who can kill who.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-10-2010, 13:35
OOC: Be careful with what you assume, this is not your standard mafia game. Of course if we can prove that such a rule exist in this game, I would agree that Beskar is innocent, but until then, I am not dropping the fake attack theory.
Lady Secura is right, Sheikh Al-A- This: attack represents the number of armies available to attack, or simply the armies at the start of the turn. With this table you can quickly see who can kill who.
I'd advise that you stop chasing butterflies and concentrate more on REAL suspects.
Ahh, I see.
I'd advise that you stop chasing butterflies and concentrate more on REAL suspects.
Perhaps you could help me find a real suspect then? Who do you have in mind Sheikh Al-A- This ?
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-10-2010, 14:04
Perhaps you could help me find a real suspect then? Who do you have in mind Sheikh Al-A- This ?
Why not look down the list of Council members with one army and tell me who's been lying low recently (other than Captain Blackadder, he's given his excuses). I don't like to name names, but the answers are pretty obvious.
Again, the core of my argument about this is the fact that Stefan vi Brittania is out of place with the other Beefdom targets. He is the only high-profile lord who has been attacked.
You don't follow, let me try to explain.
1) Stefan vu Brittania does not fit well with the other lords that the Beefdom attacked. Conclusion: The attack was likely a fake.
Or is could be an attempt to frame Khan Pizzaguy since Lord Stefan has been from the start a vocal opposition member. I could also be someone from Beefdom who has a personal grudge. It could be nearly anything. Your conclusion is one of many, not necessarily false, but not by any means definitive.
2) The attack was likely a fake, let's see who would benefit the most from it and who would has the most control on to achieve such a result.
No it wasn't "likely a fake", it might be a fake. Well I know it isn't a fake, but for everyone else, it might be a fake. I don't see how you get to the "likely" part Lord Sausage, because Lord Stefan used this attack as a reason to suspect and vote for Khan Pizzaguy. In my mind, this makes it more likely that Lord Stefan was chosen as a target to frame Khan Pizzaguy.
2a) Who would benefit from this fake attack? Maharani Meera & Stefan vi Brittania.
The agents of Beefdom benefit from this attack, they are benefitting from it right now while you are hounding me and they benefitted from it with Khan Pizzaguy's removal. I on the other hand have not benefited much. I know Stefan didn't setup this attack on himself, it was possible, because he did not know I would protect him.
2b) Who could likely pull this fake attack? Maharani Meera because being the defenser he is certain to get a favorable result: either Stefan dies if his army wasn't protecting him, or he survives and Maharani looks like a hero.
You are the only one, Lord Sausage, who seems to think I have some sort of hero status. I was simply following my instinct and I am glad I prevented the death of a fellow Council member, nothing more, nothing less.
3) Conclusion: Maharani is a suspect.
It is your perogative of course to think that.
Of course there's other stuff around, such as Maharani Meera going out vocal against the Khaan, and it reinforces my suspicions of her.
So now I am traitor because of my beliefs? Beliefs that tyranny should be fought and the right of self determination be preserved. These do not sound like the beliefs someone working for the cause of Beefdom would uphold. Nevertheless, I did not participate in the Khan's downfall and I personally never wanted to him dead.
Romanic's distractions aside, I would also like to inform the council that I wish to stand for re-election :bow:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-10-2010, 15:57
Romanic's distractions aside, I would also like to inform the council that I wish to stand for re-election :bow:
I nearly forgot about that!
Elect: Subotan
Elect: Beskar
You seem like the best men for the job, assuming that there are still two Consul posts.
Indeed. I agree we should give pevergreen armies, just not all of the armies.
To avoid inadvertantly voting all of the armies to him, I believe we should decide now which ones to give to him. So, everybody who wants to give pevergreen armies, please vote him the green armies and only the green armies.
To YLC's post a long while back: It might be more prudent to avoid useless attempts at insulting the one supporting you.
I agree to this, pevergreen should have the green armies, especially as they are green and he is pevergreen. (also would make his total of two armies, while to others would make them a total of 3)
Anyone got an idea of the tally?
Very good, now you are talking! We should limit the number of lords with 2 armies or more. I said that already in the last round, but the other lords don't listen to me.
But you would adovocate and support a tyrant, which is just as bad. Creating a tyrant is what the beefdom wants, to undermine our republic.
Death is yonder
06-10-2010, 17:36
OOC: Be careful with what you assume, this is not your standard mafia game. Of course if we can prove that such a rule exist in this game, I would agree that Beskar is innocent, but until then, I am not dropping the fake attack theory.
Lady Secura is right, Sheikh Al-A- This: attack represents the number of armies available to attack, or simply the armies at the start of the turn. With this table you can quickly see who can kill who.
OOC: This will be the last OOC note on the matter, because I'm verging on sounding condescending by constantly repeating my statements as if you are incompetent. I'll just like to say that every mafia game here on the .org that I've played in or read through (the oldies) has no scenario whatsoever that allows the mafia on a same team to attack themselves. Sure, we have scums attacking scums, other mafia families, SK attacking mafia, but no Mafia Z in Team A attacking Mafia Y in Team A. I know this isn't a standard game, Beefy's came up with many creative ideas for games, but this one rule is the single unsaid rule in most games, the mafia is unable to attack themselves. I think that if any host would diverge from this, they would make a statement in the OP, which I'm not seeing. I highly doubt Beefy is that irresponsible.
Elect: Subotan
Elect: Beskar
Sheikh Al-A- This, you may only elect one man, the two with the most popular votes will be chosen. Which is why the Lord Beefy did not state:
Elect: Beefy for Consul A
Elect: Beefy for Consul B
Here, an offering to our magnanimous divine bovine of above!
Tally for Armies: [All vote counts are based on Beefy's tally on army strength]
Note:pevergreen's self votes do not count because currently he has zero armies.
Note: ArpeggiateTHIS's Consul election vote is invalid, because Consuls are chosen from the people voted, the top two. If one person has a very huge majority, he becomes a dictator. Two consul slots available means one vote for each of us, same as the start of the game
Red Army:
Romanic: 1(Romanic)
pevergreen: 5(ArpeggiateTHIS, YLC, Subotan)
TheFlax: 3(Beskar, DiY)
Chaotix: (Chaotix)1
Blue Army:
Romanic: 2(Romanic, ArpeggiateTHIS)
DiY: 5(Beskar, DiY, Subotan)
pevergreen: 2(YLC)
ArpeggiateTHIS: 1(Chaotix)
Green Army:
ArpeggiateTHIS: 7(ArpeggiateTHIS, YLC, Beskar, Subotan)
pevergreen: 3(Romanic, Chaotix, DiY)
Consulate Elections:
Beskar: 5(Beskar, DiY, Subotan)
YLC: 3(YLC, Chaotix)
pevergreen: 1(Romanic)
Subotan: 1(ArpeggiateTHIS)
Lynch Proceedings:
TheFlax: 1(Romanic)
No Lynch: 3(DiY, Beskar)
Observation: There seems to be less people bothering to vote everyday. This may be a role play heavy game people, but we still need to vote, even if you are going to vote no lynch. Let's not do Beefy a disservice by not voting at all :bow:
Summary of the Tally:
Red Army : pevergreen
Blue Army: DiY
Green Army: ArpeggiateTHIS
Consuls: Beskar and YLC
Lynch: No Lynch
Final Note: I would advice people to vote pevergreen for the green army, and whoever else they wish for the red and blue armies.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-10-2010, 18:00
Unelect; Elect: Subotan
And I'm quite sure that Subo voted for me to have the green armies, not Pever.
Vote: Atheotes Is Atheotes even here? I haven't heard from him a in long time.
Death is yonder
06-10-2010, 18:03
Sorry, my bad, it appears I'm bound to get something wrong every 1 tally :laugh4:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2503710&viewfull=1#post2503710
Post #414 indeed. Apologies.
Tally edited to reflect that.
Unvote; Vote: Atheotes
atheotes is always the mafia.
Elect: YLC
Vote: TheFlax
Vote: DIY
Vote: pevergreen
That's very trusting of you, Flax.
"Perhaps I am feeling light headed from my discussion with Lord Sausage, but I fear I do not understand what you are implying Duke."
Elect: YLC
Vote: TheFlax
:martass:
unvote pevergreen; vote: Subotan
unvote Romanic; vote: pevergreen
Ummm, I guess this yet another out-of-turn comment from the audience, but why are people voting for von Subotan to be Consul when he already is?
Due to the fact that the motions suggested by Stefani were rejected, von Subotan remains Consul for the duration of his life; you're simply voting for a single person to take the Khanate's place, whether that be Stefani, Legate Casimir or whoever.
Just thought I'd put that one out there. :3
:curtain:
I asked that question as well, but nobody answered.
Ummm, I guess this yet another out-of-turn comment from the audience, but why are people voting for von Subotan to be Consul when he already is?
Due to the fact that the motions suggested by Stefani were rejected, von Subotan remains Consul for the duration of his life; you're simply voting for a single person to take the Khanate's place, whether that be Stefani, Legate Casimir or whoever.
Just thought I'd put that one out there. :3
:curtain:
(Sorry Secura, but according to Beefy, you are wrong:
Regarding Election, both consul spot is up for grabs. Army strength vote also works here, but with Subo losing his Consul ability, he too is down to 2 Army strength (IIRC). )
Regarding Election, both consul spot is up for grabs. Army strength vote also works here, but with Subo losing his Consul ability, he too is down to 2 Army strength (IIRC).
I see, that's an interesting change to the mechanics; I was under the impression that Beskar's motion was rejected and thus Consuls wouldn't be removed from power... it's a means of balancing the game for both town and mafia, I guess.
You'll want to make sure you all cast your vote for both spots then, hmm? Sorry to have interfered. :3
I see, that's an interesting change to the mechanics; I was under the impression that Beskar's motion was rejected and thus Consuls wouldn't be removed from power... it's a means of balancing the game for both town and mafia, I guess.
You'll want to make sure you all cast your vote for both spots then, hmm? Sorry to have interfered. :3
The way I understand it, we all vote once and the top two candidates are elected. Also, don't be sorry, I appreciate your interference, I gives me something else to do than argue with Romanic. :clown:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-10-2010, 22:05
I'm having second thoughts about lynching Atheotes now. Perhaps he's just inactive? Perhaps there are other "candidates" for this vote.
[OOC: I don't know if it's in the spirit of the game to point this out, but he appears to be inactive in Murder Manor too (I've been following it but not playing).]
Unvote; Vote: Methos Can anybody clear him?
Oh yeah Beefy here's my flag.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1259&pictureid=39616
Dude, use Imageshack. (https://imageshack.us/)
I see, that's an interesting change to the mechanics; I was under the impression that Beskar's motion was rejected and thus Consuls wouldn't be removed from power... it's a means of balancing the game for both town and mafia, I guess.
You'll want to make sure you all cast your vote for both spots then, hmm? Sorry to have interfered. :3
So why did I lose my seat? :book:
:martass:
unvote pevergreen; vote: Subotan
unvote Romanic; vote: pevergreen
Don't you mean unelect pever and elect subotan?
Since you might end up lynching the candidate you want as Consul.
Don't you mean unelect pever and elect subotan?
Since you might end up lynching the candidate you want as Consul.
Blargh. Indeed.
unvote Subotan;
unelect: pevergreen; elect Subotan.
Captain Blackadder
06-11-2010, 01:14
unelect: pevergreen; elect Subotan.
These men seem to be the best choices for the position and will allow us to find those evil scum.
Death is yonder
06-11-2010, 03:30
My Lords! If you think Duke Nukem Von Subotan deserves to be re-elected (if need be?) then the other candidate who should be elected is of course Stefani.
:martass:
unvote pevergreen; vote: Subotan
unvote Romanic; vote: pevergreen
I can't really say I'm surprised considering the direction in which your thoughts are leaning. I'm beginning to wonder if you have taken my words to heart Lord Sausage.
My Lords! If you think Duke Nukem Von Subotan deserves to be re-elected (if need be?) then the other candidate who should be elected is of course Stefani.
I can't really say I'm surprised considering the direction in which your thoughts are leaning. I'm beginning to wonder if you have taken my words to heart Lord Sausage.
Hhmhpft! I am not dropping the fake attack theory, voting for Duke Nukem Von Subotan is a tactical decision since my vote on pever will not count.
Unelect:Beskar, Elect: Subotan
Unelect: Subotan; Elect: Beskar :laugh4:
Beefy187
06-11-2010, 15:19
I think my original plan was that when one of the consulate is removed from the office, they both are.
It works better on the balance in my opinion but if I said otherwise.. I'm sorry. This is the rule I would like to play in.
Give me few minutes to count up the votes. Then I'll do those write ups. Sorry for the wait once again :bow:
Эхужупы й эшув
edit: There's a tie.
Beefy187
06-11-2010, 15:47
Red Army: pevergreen
Blue Army: DiY
Green Army: ArpegiatteTHIS
Consulate: Subotan and YLC
Lynch: No Lynch.
Day 5 Summery
After the discussion, it was decided that Sergeant pevergreen, Lord Dimitri and Sheikh Al A THIS would get the army.
As for the Consulate Election, Von Subotan and Legate Casimir was chosen after a tough race.
Both of those men thanked those who supported them in the election.
There was some who wanted people lynched. But those who wanted no one lynched convinced others.
Killed
Lord Stranger "pever slayer" I of the mountain of Spamdoom (The Stranger)
Imperator Maellrick of the Latinate Peoples (Centurion1)
Viscount of Eastern North Puce, Fernand Arsenic (Autolycus)
Robert Blake of the "tower" (Double A)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty
Lynched
Khaan Pizzaguy of the Hungry Khaanate (Askthepizzaguy)
Maduraiyin Naathigan (atheotes)
Faction Strength
6 Army Strengths
Legate Casimir of the Yonder Commonwealth (YLC)- Consulate
Duke Nukem Von Subotan (Subotan)- Consulate
4 Army Strength
Sheikh Al-A- This of the Great Sands (ArpeggiateThis)
2 Army strengths
Stefan vi Britannia; Order of Albion (Beskar)
Lord Dimitri of the order of the Chickens (Death is Yonder)
1 Army Strength (1 vote)
Maharani Meera of Suiriene (TheFlax)
Lord Sausage of the HotDog Kingdom (Romanic)
Methos
Lord Blackadder of Buranda (Captain Blackadder)
Pinman
Chaos Knight (Chaotix)
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao. (Psychonaut)
Sergeant pevergreen of the pever brigade of pevertopia (pevergreen)
0 Army Strength (Killed if attack. Can't vote)
Warman
[A mistake has been made, ATPG had 7 armies when he died, so we should have been voting for his 3 armies, not 2. As a result, we now have a total pool of 28 armies instead of 29. I guess it's up to Beefy to decide what we should do about this.]
[A mistake has been made, ATPG had 7 armies when he died, so we should have been voting for his 3 armies, not 2. As a result, we now have a total pool of 28 armies instead of 29. I guess it's up to Beefy to decide what we should do about this.]
(I guess he will just add it to ArgTHIS. On the same note, if he is mafia, we are done for. Hah)
Don't worry Lord Stefan, Sheik Al-A This is not a Beefdom follower, I am sure of this now. :smug2:
*********
Final tallies of Day 3:
Consul elections
4 Subotan (Subotan**, ArpegiatteTHIS, Captain Blackadder)
4 YLC (YLC**, TheFlax, Chaotix)
4 Beskar (Beskar**, Romanic, Death is Yonder)
Lynch votes
2 atheotes (Beskar**)
1 no lynch (Death is Yonder)
1 TheFlax (Romanic)
1 Methos (ArpegiatteTHIS)
Red Army (1 army)
6 pevergreen (ArpegiatteTHIS, Romanic, Subotan**, YLC**)
4 TheFlax (Beskar**, Death is Yonder, TheFlax)
1 Chaotix (Chaotix)
Blue Army (1 army)
6 Death is Yonder (Beskar**, Death is Yonder, Subotan**, TheFlax)
2 Romanic (ArpegiatteTHIS, Romanic)
2 pevergreen (YLC**)
1 ArpegiatteTHIS (Chaotix)
Green Army (2 armies, maybe 3)
7 ArpegiatteTHIS (ArpegiatteTHIS, Beskar**, Subotan**, YLC**)
4 pevergreen (Chaotix, Death is Yonder, Romanic, TheFlax)
Beefy187
06-12-2010, 01:12
Ladies and gentlemen. What your seeing now is something very unique.... An Asian, whos bad with numbers :clown:
Thank you Romanic. I'll just add a extra army to ArpegiatteTHIS.
And atheotes was lynched? :sweatdrop:
Ok I really shouldn't be hosting :wall:
Adding a lynch write up as well.
Some what, for some reason it turns out that atheotes was the one to be lynched.
"I don't understand... I swear the no lynch was winning!"
Some of other members who can actually count pointed out.
"But you see.... Stefan had 2 votes, and Dimitri only had 1 at the time. Thus, Maduraiyin Naathigan should be lynched."
Maduraiyin Naathigan wasn't pleased either. He thought he dodged the death, but he was going to be hanged after all.
Newly elected consulate Legate Casimir and the second timer Duke Nukem Von Subotan started to discuss their lynch method while Maduraiyin continued to plead his case.
"With out me! All your beef meat will taste bad! All your porks, all your chickens! All your lambs too!! They will taste like dirt!"
Though, what Maduraiyin didn't know was that, while Maduraiyin was crucial in the establishment stage, his farm was big enough, sophisticated and methods established that anyone with a brain could run the farm by keeping the facility in good shape, and paying the workers they desired amount of gold.
So no, even if he died, all the meat will still taste good.
"It has been decided that Maduraiyin Naathigan and us consuls will trade. All of his sins will perish. His legacy will be told down the generation. For the price of his death. Good deal ain't it?"
Maduraiyin went mad. He started screaming and rolling on the floor like a child. Then he took out his knife and stabbed him self in the guts.
He died.
Yu Chang, still banging his head on the wall for the mistakes he made, dismissed the council members. Wishing them good luck in the coming season.
Members went off to their various places. Preparing for what might come. Or plotting something evil.
Continue Night 5! Keep sending those orders!
[Don't worry about it Beefy, I've made the same mistake over and over in this game. It's easy to forget who has more than 1 vote, that's why I started using asterisks.
Your game is great, so yes, you should be hosting :smiley: ]
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-12-2010, 12:31
I get three armies instead of two? Wow, great for me!
Obviously I'll keep two of those as my guards, but I've got two to spare for any duties needed.
Don't forget about this game, Lord Beefy.
Beefy187
06-14-2010, 08:29
I may wonder off a bit, but I've never abandoned a game. And I was planning to do the write up today even without your gentle reminder :beam:
Night 5 summery
Blood. They were out for blood.
Various lords were getting restless with none ending threat of Beefdom.
Some were even considering to betray the alliance.
With Robert Blake of the Tower, and Judge spl1t gone.. Two influential figures of the alliance, who will the people turn to?
The Consulates? Heroic warriors? Or
"Yu CHANG!!!"
Definitely his armies thinks so.
"Yu CHANG!!!" they roared. Saluting their commander as he rode past them on horse.
"At ease gentlemen. Today we face the Beefdom scums. Phantoms of the past. Ghost of the old.
We have superior numbers, better position and most of all. Better warriors. So why be afraid?
March now. March! Proud man of the alliance! Chase those poor rabbits!"
Yu Chang was eager for glory. He has to be delighted.
No lords have ever managed to find those Beefdom scums in such numbers.
10000 man of Beefdom rebels, ready to be slaughtered by his 30000.
Yu Chang licked his lips. He might be promoted to council member for real! Instead of boring old organizer.
If he can lead his man to victory, and show the world that he is capable of something other then counting votes and organizing meetings (which he often fails to do) then he can... Maybe even get elected as Consulate.
"Charge!!"
But the man of Beefdom was feared for a reason.
Lost art of Bull Riding.
Fearsome Amazonian warriors.
Merciless tactic adopted to win and just that.
Or all of the above.
The Rebel leader out witted poor Yu Chang, and mercilessly massacred his army.
"Consulate.... Yu Chang..." gasped Yu Chang as he was stepped on like a defeated dog.
"Dream on" laughed his foe. As he delivered the deadly final blow.
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With Yu Changs death, Consulate Subotan was undoubtedly the closest as the leader of the alliance.
Not only was the flag of Nukem inspiration to all who followed, but those who looked for hope saw one in this re elected Consul Subotan.
"Soldiers of Nukem. And the soldiers of the alliance. Today we rally under two flags. The Flag of Nukem and the flag of Lacy. And under those flag we are brothers. Brothers from the alliance, I welcome you all once more. Its been a honor fighting along your side. And it will be my pleasure leading you in the field of battle in the future."
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Flag_of_Ibaraki,_Osaka.svg/400px-Flag_of_Ibaraki,_Osaka.svg.png
As the man cheered and repeatedly called his name, Subotan called over his captains and ordered this seasons destination.
Two armies to protect Meera of Suiriene, two to protect the Noble king of Sausage. one to Order of the Chickens and Albion respectfully.
His soldiers obeyed without any objection. With their morale at the highest, they marched of to their noble duty.
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Legate Casimir too was a beacon of inspiration.
In the late days of Lacys reign, he began his career as her assistant. In less then a year, he went up the ladder to her right hand man.
Those who knew Legate Casimir well, knew exactly why.
Along with various rumours, he was simply sharp, creative and capable.
As soon as he aquired command of the Consulate army, he did not waste time to think where to send them.
"Two armies will defend order of the Chickens. Lord Dimitri needs as many support as he could....Because he is a chicken"
The man had sense of humor. Except most of his jokes were either bad, or inappropriate. No one laughed, but he didn't careless. He had other talents.
"Two armies to my fellow Consulate.. Subotan. And 2 others army... Follow me."
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2700/4071965733_f2f88131c5.jpg
With Legate Casimir at the front, waving his flag with might, mixed army of the Commonwealth and the Consulate marched with pride.
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He was no "Chicken". He was a brave knight with thousands and thousands of followers. Just a Knight who loves his chickens. Many did oppose against naming his group as the "order of the Chickens" but whats so bad about loving those pretty birds?
With Lord Dimitri at the front, he saw a army heading towards their way. Two armies met. After a brief spark, and short talk between their leaders, they marched along side each other to their destination. To protect Sergeant pevergreen.
"I hear you like chickens"
"And I hear you like Hot Dogs my dear friend. Tell me Lord Sausage. What is Hot Dogs?"
"Hot Dogs are Hot Dogs. No more. No less."
Lord Dimitri couldn't counter his superior logic. He smiled and backed away from the strange Lord.
"Dimitri?"
"Yes?"
"One day... I might tell you. One day... Just not yet."
Dimitri smiled and backed away faster.
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He "felt" his presence.
The filthy magician coming out of his palace..
He must be following the usual routine.
Tea party, then picnic surrounded by his pretty flowers.
Chaos Knight hated that fake Magician to the guts.
It was a insult that he was defeated by him in the previous encounter.
Insult which he could not bear.
"Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao!!!" he shouted.
Completely shocking the poor man.
Chaos Knight didn't miss this fine opportunity.
He jumped down the high wall and rushed. Grabbing him by the throat.
"Your life ends here!"
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao was completely terrified.
Not only he managed to wet his pants with apple tea, he managed to wet it with something else.
Desperately Bilbao clicked his finger.
With a loud noise, firecrackers came out, hitting directly at Chaos Knight.
Chaos Knight released him and backed off. Not harmed by the innocent attack. But rather surprised at the sudden attack.
"Take this!"
With a loud bang, bullet came out of Bilbaos walking stick. Which moved Chaos Knight back a few more steps. That was fetal.
With a high pitched scream, Chaos Knight fell to the pit he fell last season.
While Bilbao ran back to his castle. Locking all doors and windows.
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More then the sharp pikes, Chaos Knight wasn't at all pleased about the various animals deciding to use the pit as their rubbish dump.
Chaos Knight had to endure the humiliation of being covered by animal wastes, along with the pain. Humiliation was much worse then the pain....
Or is it? Suddenly the Knight felt more pain then he originally did.
Blood came pouring out in a quicker pace.
Again! Pain was now unbearable. He fell to his knees. He looked straight up.
Someone was pointing a cross bow, right at him. Shooting an additional bolt.
Chaos Knights vision blurred. He had never even thought of dying. But he knew he was about to face one very soon.
"They say your a child of demons. Ogre even. Is it true?" said the attacker, smiling.
Chaos Knight gave a grr. That was the best he could do.
Attacker unmasked the knight and laughed.
"How strange.. You look just like me."
Attacker took out his sword, and beheaded the knight.
At least he showed the knight the respect by putting the mask back on..
Chaotix is no more
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Legate Casimir arrived at the scene much later.
While he was a bureaucrat, he was a man of honor.
"Chaos Knight. In the name of the republic I came here to arrest you. But your death proves your innocence."
He ordered to collect the head of the knight and buried them together.
Forbidding anyone to unmask him. He wanted the Knight to die as a legend.
"Lets go boys." he said and left the scene.
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No one knew why Pinman was picked as the target.
But the knight of the Albion, with Stefan Vi Brittania as the front attacked Pinman.
Pinman bravely met with his army, richly armed with the newest steam technology, but was outnumbered and overwhelmed. Pinman raised the white flag and was captured by Stefan.
"Why Stefan why?" he asked madly.
Stefan looked away and mumbled.
"Knightmare.."
http://thebloggersden.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/lancelot-albion.jpg
Pinman is reduced to 0 army
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Who could blame commander Methos?
Yes he was in charge of patrol. He was in charge of scouting suspicious rebels.
But no body else saw it coming... Not even Robert Blake.
But that was not good enough for the Lord of Great Sands.
He swarmed Methos Camp and forced him to surrender his arms.
Methos nodded and rode on one of the horses as his prisoner.
Methos is reduced to 0 army
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Buranda is a old country. Strong country.
Buranda was here thousands and thousands of years ago.
Ruled by various tribes.
With the arrival of the first Blackadders, region was united for the first time.
During the Second Noble Sons war, it was still underdeveloped.
But no body doubted that Buranda was soon to be the leading country.
With rich resources, Buranda had no reason why it would lose against her competitors.
Perhaps it was jealousy. Or perhaps after money. Or Perhaps revenge.
When Beefdoms force stormed the Burandan capital, it entered a civil war lasting for 38 days.
https://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9720/blackadderian1jpg.gif
Anarchy after anarchy, Beefdom seized control of Buranda, ending its campeign with the execution of Lord Blackadder.
Now no one could disagree. Beefdom was now clearly a threat.
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With Yu Chang dead and Buranda taken by the rebels, council members rallied at the high mountains. Where they were greeted by someone familiar yet unwanted.
"Hello boys." he said. "Especially you Noble Sons... Didn't expect to see you all.. Say hi to Uncle Beefy"
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Start Day 6
Killed
Lord Stranger "pever slayer" I of the mountain of Spamdoom (The Stranger)
Imperator Maellrick of the Latinate Peoples (Centurion1)
Viscount of Eastern North Puce, Fernand Arsenic (Autolycus)
Robert Blake of the "tower" (Double A)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty
Chaos Knight (Chaotix)
Lord Blackadder of Buranda (Captain Blackadder)
Lynched
Khaan Pizzaguy of the Hungry Khaanate (Askthepizzaguy)
Maduraiyin Naathigan (atheotes)
Faction Strength
6 Army Strengths
Legate Casimir of the Yonder Commonwealth (YLC)- Consulate
Duke Nukem Von Subotan (Subotan)- Consulate
5 Army Strength
Sheikh Al-A- This of the Great Sands (ArpeggiateThis)
3 Army Strengths
Stefan vi Britannia; Order of Albion (Beskar)
2 Army Strengths
Lord Dimitri of the order of the Chickens (Death is Yonder)
1 Army Strength (1 vote)
Maharani Meera of Suiriene (TheFlax)
Lord Sausage of the HotDog Kingdom (Romanic)
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao. (Psychonaut)
Sergeant pevergreen of the pever brigade of pevertopia (pevergreen)
0 Army Strength (Killed if attack. Can't vote)
Warman
Methos
Pinman
Beefy187
06-14-2010, 11:48
Also, Vote: Beefy for Chaotixs army, and Vote: Beefy for Captain Blackadders and Vote: Beefy for atheotes army.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-14-2010, 12:33
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Pevergreen
Beefy,, would it have been possible for Methos to have killed Chaotix/Captain Blackadder in that round before I wiped out his army, or does that mean he's innocent?
pevergreen
06-14-2010, 12:49
Vote: Beskar
Vote: pevergreen
Vote: Asomethingsomthingthis
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-14-2010, 13:30
Vote: Beskar
Vote: pevergreen
Vote: Asomethingsomthingthis
What? Why?
pevergreen
06-14-2010, 13:49
:shrug:
Feels weird to be able to vote.
R.I.P. Chaos Knight and Lord Blackadder. :sad3: Two more of our own slain by the Beefdom, and they both had a single army, again. I'm not surprised by this, has we otherwise would be able to determine that one Beefdom associate would have at least two armies. It's a pity though that our Consuls were unable to protect the right people.
I applaud Sheik Al-A- This and Stefan vi Britannia decision to attack our inactive members and bring back important votes that would otherwise be wasted in the next voting sessions. That's exactly how we should deal with people who won't care to participate in our meetings, so we won't lose a precious lynch on them.
That said, because we don't want to waste our lynch on inactive council members, we have now to consider lynching one of our very active member, and that's going painful. From last night's attack we can deduct that the Beefdom is attacking 1 army lords because...
a) they want to hide the fact that they both have 2 armies.
b) they still have member with 1 army, so they need to target easy lords.
We can't really be sure, but my gut feeling is telling me that option b) is more likely. Because of this, I am going to propose that we lynch one of the remaining lords with a single army, that means:
Sergeant pevergreen
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao (Psychonaut)
Lord Sausage (Romanic)
Maharani Meera (TheFlax)
I think we can exclude Sergeant pevergreen from this list because there were two kills on Night 4 when pevergreen had no army, so that leaves us with three candidates. Of course now everyone who paid any attention to our meetings knows who I am going to accuse. :laugh4:
Maharani Meera should be promptly lynched. She is, in my eyes, the most suspicious leader around, and I've already made a case about her. Cosme Etxeberria has never bothered to vote on elections, armies and lynches (exception day1 he voted one single army to Khaan Pizzaguy), which is a very foolish way to hide if you are Beefdom (but that's something we cannot discard either, should he keep silent this day again, I would suggest that someone steal his voting power, as he's not using it anyway). The third option is voting for me, Lord Sausage, and of course I know that I am not a Beefdom partisan (but you don't).
My case against Maharani Meera
1) The fake attack on Night 2: I've talked about this already, but it is my belief that this attack on Stefan vi Britannia and the timely defense by Maharani Meera was planned to gain our trust.
2) She has not protected anyone since Night 2. On night 3 and 4 she kept her single army home to protect herself. That's a direct contrast with point #1, if she was able to successfully defend someone, why would she not try it again?
3) I spoke privately with Maharani Meera. She strikes me as someone who doesn't care much about finding the Beefdom. In fact she does not have any suspect, and I believe I know why this is :evil: [OOC: The fact is that TheFlax. afaik, usually start working on suspects early in game, and I had this information confirmed by someone else. Why is he not doing so in this one?]
4) Maharani Meera did not lynch Khaan Pizzaguy : Exactly, she did not vote to lynch him! Call me stupid, but I believe the Beefdom would rather hide behind another vote instead of going against a high profile member like the Khaan. So yes, I think that not lynching the Khaan is a sign of scuminess. (of course, many others including me, did not vote against the Khaan, and we can't be all guilty, but the fact is that the enemy was still more likely to hide somewhere than blatantly vote against Khaan Pizzaguy, so that's a negative for Maharani Meera). She did not vote for the Khaan on day 2, no! She was voting for the Chaos Knight and mumbled some reason about how he was attacking other lords. The fact is, she never talked about that again, after Pizzaguy was lynched. Why is that? Because it was a cover! She didn't really suspect the Chaos Knight, in fact she knew perfectly well that he wasn't Beefdom. :smug2:
My proposal
It's time to show your cojones people, so I am proposing this: Either vote to lynch Maharani Meera, who would not be a big loss anyway, because she only has one army, or vote for me, Lord Sausage so that my death will prove to you that I am on your side. You will then be able to trust my loyal followers after my death [OOC: and by that, I mean that I will stay active to help you.] At least once dead I will not be seen as a distraction to many of you (hopefully :laugh4:).
I will see any other vote than for one of us as irresponsible, unless you come with good arguments against someone else. It is time that you take side about this, because I will keep buggering you until this is settled.
My vote, of course, is vote: Maharani Meera (TheFlax)
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-14-2010, 14:10
I applaud Sheik Al-A- This and Stefan vi Britannia decision to attack our inactive members and bring back important votes that would otherwise be wasted in the next voting sessions. That's exactly how we should deal with people who won't care to participate in our meetings, so we won't lose a precious lynch on them.
After consulting Von Subo, I saw fit to attack Methos under the assumption that he was lurking. Of course, I apologise to anybody who perceives this to be a "stealthy" attack, but I thought that it would be best not to spread the word too far.
On the topic of Maharani, I think that your accusations still lack a little. On the other hand, I'd be mildly surprised if you turned out to be a Beefdom follower, so I'll vote for neither of you until anybody else can add to your suspicions.
After consulting Von Subo, I saw fit to attack Methos under the assumption that he was lurking. Of course, I apologise to anybody who perceives this to be a "stealthy" attack, but I thought that it would be best not to spread the word too far.
On the topic of Maharani, I think that your accusations still lack a little. On the other hand, I'd be mildly surprised if you turned out to be a Beefdom follower, so I'll vote for neither of you until anybody else can add to your suspicions.
Indecision breeds defeat. You have five votes, and as such a lot of power, you better be ready to use it, otherwise people will remember you as one of weak character.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-14-2010, 15:17
Indecision breeds defeat. You have five votes, and as such a lot of power, you better be ready to use it, otherwise people will remember you as one of weak character.
I have already displayed that I am not one of weak character, and only one of weak character would be so easily persuaded by you to cast a vote in the Maharani's direction so soon. I'd like to know what Maharani and the other council members have to say about your accusations.
I have already displayed that I am not one of weak character, and only one of weak character would be so easily persuaded by you to cast a vote in the Maharani's direction so soon. I'd like to know what Maharani and the other council members have to say about your accusations.
Bah! That's a false pretense to delay your decision, the lackey is obviously waiting for his master to tell him what to do. :smug2: We've seen this over and over. You just said so yourself : "After consulting Von Subo, I saw fit to attack Methos...". I remember Maharani Meera calling you a lapdog, and rightly so.
Other members will not react strongly to my accusation with a single vote on Maharani Meera, we've seen that yesterday. Your precious master, Von Subotan barely said the following about it:
Romanic's distractions aside, I would also like to inform the council that I wish to stand for re-election :bow: That's very thoughtful of him, considering I am the only one apparently working to find the Beefdom. Every other attempt were wasted attempts against inactive lords who are obviously uninterested by our survival. I feel very sad of being a part of this Council now.
If you are indeed not weak, as you say, then maybe you could actually propose another lynch option, with some real arguments for a change? Or alternatively use your five votes to stir discussion.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-14-2010, 16:21
Fine, Romanic, you want to see my real accusation?
Vote: DiY
I don't usually like to show my hand too often, but he's a shadowy figure and he's talking just enough to keep the likes of you off his back. I've looked at the "one-army" list and there isn't really anybody there that stands out. Then it hit me: if a mafia member had two armies and made two kills, it'd be obvious to a fool that they had two armies. Therefore I suspect he's keeping one army to defend himself from rogue attackers such as Chaotix and to avoid arousing suspicion.
Satisfied? I am nobody's lapdog, and only consulted Subo so that pestering players such as yourself didn't perceive my attack on Methos as illegitimate and scummy.
Romanic's distractions aside, I would also like to inform the council that I wish to stand for re-election :bow:
I thought your case then was weak, as we know that self attacks are not allowed. However, Point Four is a very good point, and one that chimes with a scum seeking to use the most convenient target at the time as camoflauge.
Vote: Maharani Meera
Oh, and
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Romanic
Vote:Beskar
Vote:pevergreen
Vote:pevergreen
I am withholding my vote until personal matters are taken care off and I can communicate with Von Subo. For now, I want to insure that Lord pever of Lulz is protected thoroughly.
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Beskar
The lynch vote is confusing. Let's narrow down the main three suspects being mentioned - DIY, Romanic and TheFlax.
Chicken Boy has simply been protecting everyone, being a helpful townie and active. However, he could be a little too helpful, as he might be safe in the knowledge that he won't get night attacked.
Maharani Meera protected me from an attack, it could easily be a return gesture. The only real outcome of the attack was the Death of Khan Pizzaguy, who abused his esteemed position right after the attacks. It is also correct that both autolycus and myself were strong critics of the Khans "Reap them and leave them weep" centralisation of power. Either way, it might have been logical for the mafia to do the attack anyway, to get attentions towards the Khan in a frame, and the Meera was just luckily enough to be around to save me. However, Lord Sausage argues it was an attempt by the Meera to deem herslef innocent in the eyes of the Council.
Then there is Lord Sausage himself. He has predicted that all the mafia attacks are based around inactivity and those with little interest in the game. From his point onwards, this continued to appear to be fully accurate. Does he know the mafia plans himself initimately or just a quick observation ? There was also the possibility of the mafia hiding in the non-active members because if they are getting mafia targetted, or would attempt to lynch them? This is why I made my vote against atheotes and attacked Pinman last night, in order to make sure this wasn't the case. However, Romanic either appears to be a genius townie who has their insight in the mafia's mind, or he is the mafia's mind himself?
A case could be made against all three of these. I will decide while I am out to the shop now, which I would place a vote against for be removed, or to recieve an army.
*Lord Stefan picks up his wolf fur coat and departs the council momentarily to the land outside*
My case against Maharani Meera
How surprising...
1) The fake attack on Night 2: I've talked about this already, but it is my belief that this attack on Stefan vi Britannia and the timely defense by Maharani Meera was planned to gain our trust.
Yes, yes, we've been over this already.
2) She has not protected anyone since Night 2. On night 3 and 4 she kept her single army home to protect herself. That's a direct contrast with point #1, if she was able to successfully defend someone, why would she not try it again?
The ghost of a certain Pizza Khan told me that protection was basically useless if not coordinated. Furthermore, having been protected by a single army of someone else on Night 2 and Night 3, I thought it best to keep my army to protect myself. This is a very weak attack at best, since defense doesn't prove innocence and if I were scum I could defend whoever I want without fear of being attacked while failing or succeeding on my whim. In the words of the deceased Pizza Khan, those defending other people are more likely scum, since scum have nothing to lose by defending someone and it makes them look good. On the other hand, innocents know they are innocents and can't know for sure if they are in fact protecting innocents or scum. My change of tactics came straight after this discussion with the dead.
3) I spoke privately with Maharani Meera. She strikes me as someone who doesn't care much about finding the Beefdom. In fact she does not have any suspect, and I believe I know why this is :evil: [OOC: The fact is that TheFlax. afaik, usually start working on suspects early in game, and I had this information confirmed by someone else. Why is he not doing so in this one?]
It is not so much as not caring as not having any suspects in the early phases. As for now, I am too busy defending myself to think of something else. (OOC part: Completely false, you have absolutely no basis to argue that.)
4) Maharani Meera did not lynch Khaan Pizzaguy : Exactly, she did not vote to lynch him! Call me stupid, but I believe the Beefdom would rather hide behind another vote instead of going against a high profile member like the Khaan. So yes, I think that not lynching the Khaan is a sign of scuminess. (of course, many others including me, did not vote against the Khaan, and we can't be all guilty, but the fact is that the enemy was still more likely to hide somewhere than blatantly vote against Khaan Pizzaguy, so that's a negative for Maharani Meera). She did not vote for the Khaan on day 2, no! She was voting for the Chaos Knight and mumbled some reason about how he was attacking other lords. The fact is, she never talked about that again, after Pizzaguy was lynched. Why is that? Because it was a cover! She didn't really suspect the Chaos Knight, in fact she knew perfectly well that he wasn't Beefdom. :smug2:
Here we see the facts being twisted. When Lord Stefan was voted for by Khan PizzaGuy, I immediately responded by voting for Khan PizzaGuy. In my haste, I forgot to properly register my vote by forgetting I had voted for the Chaos Knight earlier. I never corrected the mistake when I did a tally later on because it was never my intention to lynch Khan PizzaGuy, I simply wanted to apply what little bit of pressure I could to express my opposition to lynching Lord Stefan. As for the Chaos Knight, it was a pressure vote because I was against his random attacks, I had no intention of lynching him and that's why I never brought it up.
Most of your case, Lord Sausage, is the contrary of doing an analysis and then getting a conclusion from that. You've already come to the conclusion I should be lynched and you're simply taking every piece of information out of context and twisting them to fit said conclusion.
I thought your case then was weak, as we know that self attacks are not allowed. However, Point Four is a very good point, and one that chimes with a scum seeking to use the most convenient target at the time as camoflauge.
Vote: Maharani Meera
If you go through the records of that fateful day, noble Consul, you will see that these facts are grossly misrepresented.
Beefy187
06-15-2010, 00:15
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Pevergreen
Beefy,, would it have been possible for Methos to have killed Chaotix/Captain Blackadder in that round before I wiped out his army, or does that mean he's innocent?
Yes it was possible for Methos to have killed Chaotix/ Captain Blackadder.
All orders are done simultaneously. Just that I play around with the order for the story sake.
I am going to go and Vote: Psychonaut.
He obviously keeps reading the thread, but evidently lurking.
Vote: Romanic for the army, because of his insights. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be the mafia.
pevergreen
06-15-2010, 01:29
Woof.
I'm thinking of actually doing something with my army this night phase.
The ghost of a certain Pizza Khan told me that protection was basically useless if not coordinated. #1) Furthermore, having been protected by a single army of someone else on Night 2 and Night 3, I thought it best to keep my army to protect myself. This is a very weak attack at best, since defense doesn't prove innocence and #2) if I were scum I could defend whoever I want without fear of being attacked while failing or succeeding on my whim. In the words of the deceased Pizza Khan, those defending other people are more likely scum, since scum have nothing to lose by defending someone and it makes them look good. On the other hand, innocents know they are innocents and can't know for sure if they are in fact protecting innocents or scum. My change of tactics came straight after this discussion with the dead.
1) Wrong facts, you ended being protected by a single army only on Night 2, the night when you protected Stefan vi Brittania.
Night 1: 2 armies in defense (Both Stefan and Lord Dimitri defended you with one army, while your army was defending Lord Pinman)
Night 2: 1 army in defense (Khaan Pizzaguy protected you with 1 army while you were defending Lord Stefan)
Night 3: 3 armies in defense (Von Subotan and Lord Dimitri defended you with 1 army, your army stayed home)
Night 4: 3 armies in defense (Von Subotan protected you with 2 armies, your army stayed home).
Nice attempt at arguing, but unfortunately for you, someone is keeping book here.
2) "if I were scum I could defend whoever I want without fear of being attacked" : That's simply not true. With everyone having vigilante powers, even the Beefdom partisans could be attacked at night. Keeping your armies home is a selfish act to protect yourself instead of trying to save someone else. It could make sense if you were made aware of the Consuls' protection plan, but you told me that you haven't been privy to such thing after Khaan Pizzaguy died.
It is not so much as not caring as not having any suspects in the early phases. As for now, I am too busy defending myself to think of something else. (OOC part: Completely false, you have absolutely no basis to argue that.)
Unless you have not noticed, this isn't the early phase anymore. We started with 21 lords, and we're down to 9 with voting power. How long will you pretend that finding a suspect is unnecessary?
A wise person told me once that when you are accused, the best way to help is to propose another lynch alternative, with good arguments. You are not doing that, you are merely defending, obviously more interested in saving your life than this Town Empire.
Here we see the facts being twisted. When Lord Stefan was voted for by Khan PizzaGuy, I immediately responded by voting for Khan PizzaGuy. In my haste, I forgot to properly register my vote by forgetting I had voted for the Chaos Knight earlier. I never corrected the mistake when I did a tally later on because it was never my intention to lynch Khan PizzaGuy, I simply wanted to apply what little bit of pressure I could to express my opposition to lynching Lord Stefan. As for the Chaos Knight, it was a pressure vote because I was against his random attacks, I had no intention of lynching him and that's why I never brought it up.
What sort of garbled explanation is this? Are we talking about this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2500716&viewfull=1#post2500716)?
Let's see if I understand you correctly:
1) @17h35 : You decided to vote for Khaan Pizzaguy to put pressure on him, but the vote is invalid because you didn't unvote first. This pressure plan isn't putting much more pressure on ATPG, he's already ahead with 8 votes against him (Subotan x6, ArpTHIS and Beskar).
2) @21h02 : You edited your post, apparently after making a tally (that was never posted :laugh4:). You realize your vote is illegal, but you don't bother correcting it. What happened with the pressure plan?
Well, that pisses me off.
Why kill the most obvious lynch-bait in the entire game?
Perhaps if he knew I was going after him...
Go for Psychonaut. Me and Subo got a hunch here.
1) Wrong facts, you ended being protected by a single army only on Night 2, the night when you protected Stefan vi Brittania.
Night 1: 2 armies in defense (Both Stefan and Lord Dimitri defended you with one army, while your army was defending Lord Pinman)
Night 2: 1 army in defense (Khaan Pizzaguy protected you with 1 army while you were defending Lord Stefan)
Night 3: 3 armies in defense (Von Subotan and Lord Dimitri defended you with 1 army, your army stayed home)
Night 4: 3 armies in defense (Von Subotan protected you with 2 armies, your army stayed home).
Nice attempt at arguing, but unfortunately for you, someone is keeping book here.
Getting a bit personal aren't we? No, I did not do bookeeping, I went from memory, I was wrong. Even the host got some of the facts wrong, this is hardly proof of anything. The fact remains, I've changed my strategy after my discussion with a dead Khan PizzaGuy and decided to protect myself.
2) "if I were scum I could defend whoever I want without fear of being attacked" : That's simply not true. With everyone having vigilante powers, even the Beefdom partisans could be attacked at night. Keeping your armies home is a selfish act to protect yourself instead of trying to save someone else. It could make sense if you were made aware of the Consuls' protection plan, but you told me that you haven't been privy to such thing after Khaan Pizzaguy died.
Since vigilante attacks are a very rare occurence, this is not as farfetched as you try to make it appear. Besides, you have said yourself that you are a "selfish bastard" only protecting himself, why is it okay for you?
Unless you have not noticed, this isn't the early phase anymore. We started with 21 lords, and we're down to 9 with voting power. How long will you pretend that finding a suspect is unnecessary?
Its coming, its been in the works for a few hours now, you'll love it. :yes:
A wise person told me once that when you are accused, the best way to help is to propose another lynch alternative, with good arguments. You are not doing that, you are merely defending, obviously more interested in saving your life than this Town Empire.
Scum try to redirect the lynch as often as innocent, so its no proof of anything. Also, the first duty of an innocent to help the whole is to save his life, for he is certain of his innocence and thus a bad choice for a lynch.
What sort of garbled explanation is this? Are we talking about this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2500716&viewfull=1#post2500716)?
Let's see if I understand you correctly:
1) @17h35 : You decided to vote for Khaan Pizzaguy to put pressure on him, but the vote is invalid because you didn't unvote first. This pressure plan isn't putting much more pressure on ATPG, he's already ahead with 8 votes against him (Subotan x6, ArpTHIS and Beskar).
2) @21h02 : You edited your post, apparently after making a tally (that was never posted :laugh4:). You realize your vote is illegal, but you don't bother correcting it. What happened with the pressure plan?
Wow, you're really pulling the "you explain yourself poorly" argument? My explanation is not "garbled in the least, but let me break it down for you.
Yes, you got the correct post.
Adding more votes is still pressure.
When I edited my post, I checked back on the number of votes ATPG had compared to others and then noticed my vote on Chaotix. The tally was incomplete so I saw no need to post it.
I did not correct my vote because I feel there are more than sufficient votes against ATPG at this point. You asked what happened to putting pressure, well, goal accomplished, ATPG had unvoted Beskar by that point.
In the end, all I see is someone grasping at straws and technicalities in an effort to get his way.
I have come to a decision - tonight Maharani Meera shall be stripped of her army, and then protected by my forces until her name is cleared. Understandably t6his is not the result Lord Sausage seeks, however is case is strong and it should be pursued in the best way - through vindication. We do NOT need to blindly lynch each other, when we can strengthen ourselves through forethought and planning.
My heart goes out to those who might be victims tonight, but this should and will be the way unless the evidence is overwhelming.
Maharani Meera, you will be subject to trail during the next 2 days. Upon vindication, your army shall be returned to you - do you find this acceptable?
Lord Sausage, Maharani Meera army shall be removed and she shall be put on trial - is this acceptable to you?
Now, understandably, this leaves us with 2 suspects - Lord Sausage, and Count Dmitri. Let us begin the process then.
Vote: Death is Yonder
pevergreen
06-15-2010, 05:12
Off topic, but I'm not the only one thats glad Romanic is a part of the gameroom now, am I?
Its great to see new people join, but even better when they play like this.
I applaud you, good sir.
:bow:
I agree to the Legates proposal, but dare I ask that my current accuser be replaced by someone more objective? I am feeling it is fast becoming not a quest for justice, but a personal vendetta.
Getting a bit personal aren't we? No, I did not do bookeeping, I went from memory, I was wrong. Even the host got some of the facts wrong, this is hardly proof of anything. The fact remains, I've changed my strategy after my discussion with a dead Khan PizzaGuy and decided to protect myself.
Wrong facts is often synonym of scum, because they don't bother keeping a good account of events. Your explanation is most unsatisfactory.
["Getting a bit personal aren't we?" -> No. Not sure what makes you think that, but it's definitely not personal. I think you are mafia OOC and IC wise, my attacks are just gameplay, nothing to do with you being TheFlax.]
Since vigilante attacks are a very rare occurence, this is not as farfetched as you try to make it appear. Besides, you have said yourself that you are a "selfish bastard" only protecting himself, why is it okay for you?
That was night 1 when chaos reigned and nobody knew what to expect. Yes, I kept my army home on that night, and yes I said that I was a selfish bastard, but that was the best explanation I could come up with after my [stupid] overeaction. The truth is that I am not selfish, I kept my army home on night 2 upon Pizzaguy's request. On night 3 I tried protecting Maduraiyin Naathigan (atheotes) and on night 4 I sent my armies to help Sergeant pevergreen.
Its coming, its been in the works for a few hours now, you'll love it. :yes:
Awesome! Let's hear it. :grin:
*Legate Casimir taps his foot impatiently*
Lord Sausage! If I could have your approval.
I find the proposal by Legate Casimir is very much unacceptable. We are 9 left with voting power, it's time to take drastic actions. We need to have a better sense of urgency than that. Maharani Meera only has one vote, she's not an important player.
Why are you suddenly interested in saving her life Casimir? :smug2:
I find the proposal by Legate Casimir is very much unacceptable. We are 9 left with voting power, it's time to take drastic actions. We need to have a better sense of urgency than that. Maharani Meera only has one vote, she's not an important player.
Why are you suddenly interested in saving her life Casimir? :smug2:
Because she has 1 vote Lord Sausage. Now is the time to, in one swoop, clear those with 1 army. If so done, then that means we have only Von Subo, Stefani, Myself, and the Shiek to accuse. I would prefer it if we could eliminate those with fewer armies now from the chopping block, so we can trust them with even more armies, or eliminate beefdom supporters, and prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.
Why so opposed to what would give you what you want? Your objective IS to eliminate the Beefdom supporters, correct? You do wish to see your fellow council members cleared of wrong doing, do you not?
After going against my instincts of accusing someone who is constantly making accusation about me for two whole rounds, I have decided to take a closer look at everything Lord Sausage (Romanic) has said. Thus, I present to you: (All links in the text have been underligned for ease of reading.)
Lord Sausage or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Inconsistency
It all begins with Lord Sausage condemning (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2497062&viewfull=1#post2497062) the two Consuls for their actions on N1 and demanding an explanation. When one of the Consuls, Khan PizzaGuy votes to lynch him and is joined by Lord Dimitri, Lord Sausage instantly panics and votes for himself (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2497089&viewfull=1#post2497089), stating that the situation is "ridiculous". Genuinely disgusted with this all too common procedure called "pressure voting" or afraid his reign as a beefdom agent will come to end prematurely? You decide.
Once things cool down, Lord Sausage unvotes himself and further explains his position against the Consul gaining too much power. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2497523&viewfull=1#post2497523) He feels that a minority holding most of votes will control most of the day and night phases and it will be our doom if one of this minority is an agent of Beefdom. In effect, Lord Sausage is a precursor to my very position on the subject. Soon afterward, Lord Sausage shows another disagreement (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2497637&viewfull=1#post2497637) with one of the Consuls, namely Khan PizzaGuy again. As it so happens, Lord Sausage was asked to protect me in the grand plan of organized protection often touted as the best solution. (FYI, I did follow this plan when asked to) Perhaps it is because Lord Sausage does not like me, but he decided to protect himself instead, claiming that he is "a selfish bastard". Then he vows to obey the consuls in complete contradiction with everything he said before. A midsentence change of heart or simply hedging his bets? You decide.
Next we find Lord Sausage afraid (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2497910&viewfull=1#post2497910) that Khan PizzaGuy's armies will come for him. Why have this fear if he is innocent and believes that the Consuls are not agent of Beefdom? He then vaguely mentions schemers, quickly saying that he is not one of them. Something to hide? Perhaps. Lord Sausage then continues to extol (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2498718&viewfull=1#post2498718) the virtues of not making the Consuls too strong. Is Lord Sausage here just saying his heartfelt opinion or is he simply flip-flopping according to public opinion? You decide.
AGAIN, Lord Sausage proclaims (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2498768&viewfull=1#post2498768) how much "uncertainty there is around the rules of our dear Empire" a quaint way of saying that the Consuls could easily abuse their power if they gain too much of it. (Also notice how he did not know before this post about army strength being used for lynch votes, elect votes and army distribution, yet in his latest accusations, chides me for not knowing all the ins and out of how the agents of Beefdom kill and how defend works. A bit of a double standard.) After N2, Lord Sausage is protected by Khan PizzaGuy and praises (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2499612&viewfull=1#post2499612) the Consuls for defending people. (Of course, had they succeeded in defending anyone, he would have ruled it as a fake attack. :rolleyes:) Lord Sausage also mentions how glad he is that Lord Stefan has survived an attack on his person. (Take good note of this)
Now, Lord Sausage is outright praising (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2499853&viewfull=1#post2499853) the Consuls, stating "Why we would shake the house when things are going well is a mystery to me" thus making a complete 180 from previous posts and deciding that "The Beefdom must be liking the vi Britannia motion" virtually out of nowhere. And so, Lord Sausage, one of the first to make an outcry against the abuse of Consul powers votes no to the motions to limit Consular power. Wasn't he just a moment ago saying that "You have me worried now Stefan, as I realize how much uncertainty there is around the rules of our dear Empire. " (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2498768&viewfull=1#post2498768) Now that Stefan has proposed to change said rules, Lord Sausage is against it. Why? Well because its an allegedly pro-Beefdom proclamation of course! Is this perhaps an attempt of an agent of Beefdom to worm his way in the good graces of the Consuls?
Right before his demise, ATPG states (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2500012&viewfull=1#post2500012) that Romanic (aka Lord Sausage) has convinced him to drop his grand strategy and just have fun roleplaying. It seems to me someone was afraid of the influence a "serious" ATPG could have in catching agents of Beefdom. Unsurprisingly, roleplaying shortly after leads to ATPG's demise, though I will not be so bold as to proclaim that this was planned by our dear Lord Sausage. In the lynch of Khan PizzaGuy (ATPG) that soon follows, Lord Sausage vehemently defends (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2500922&viewfull=1#post2500922) his now buddy Consul (notice how he later attacks me for not voting for Khan Pizzaguy, because it permitted me to slink into the shadows. I could have avoided posting if I wanted to do that.) In the process, he protests by voting for Lord Stefan, quoting Stefan's accusation of the Khan and making only an oblique reply to back his vote. We now see the birth of what I call "Super Townie Lord Sausage" who is so townie and so willing to help, its outright suspicious. "Super Townie Lord Sausage" then condemns (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2501475&viewfull=1#post2501475) anyone who voted for the Khan to be lynched. (Funny, I thought me not voting for the Khan was bad... Oh right, inconsistency is the theme here...)
N3 three ends and before we continue on this magnificent journey of flip-flop mastery, I'd like to point out the one thing. Lord Sausage has agreed with me on only one thing consistently and that is calling Sheikh Al-A a lackey of Duke Nukem von Subotan. Yet, as I said this only once as a piece of rhetoric in my arguments and never brought it back, Lord Sausage has repeated it at numerous times. See this is all part of his plan to make it look like he is fair and balanced, he agrees with me on something! This is further part of the "Super Townie Lord Sausage" act, because if he looks too friendly then we will be suspicious but with this fake light animosity with the Sheik he fits right in without really gaining any enemies. (How is this different from a regular townie disagreeing with someone? Well he brings up the same point of criticism against the Sheikh several times, the latest being this very round and it looks forced.)
Now I've derailed quite a bit from my narrative... Ah yes, N3. Lord Sausage proclaims (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2503634&viewfull=1#post2503634) his theory on the six kills we have witnessed at this point. (More of the "Super Townie Lord Sausage" shtick) Saying that the attack on Stefan does not fit the pattern. (That kill patterns might mean nothing and that he used random votes as when he was scum in "Daggers in the Night" seems to have escaped) Now instead of seeing the possibility that the death of Viscount Fernand (autolycus) and the attack on Lord Stefan (Beskar) were an attempt to frame Khan PizzaGuy (Both were vehemently opposed to him, the first in private as he was the so called schemer referred earlier, the second in public. Aslo, this very reason was used to lynch Khan PizzaGuy) Lord Sausage sees what he wants to see "This attack was a fake destined to fool us!" he says, exposing his theory that I faked an attack on Lord Stefan to then protect him and get public support as a "hero". Now scum generally have a tendency not to rock the boat, not to get notice, but great scum, those most adept at hiding amongst use exactly that to remove suspicious from them. The sole problem is that when you are scum and accuse people, well you can only target innocents and to make a case against innocents, you need to make wild theories and distort facts. (Unsurprisingly exactly what Lord Sausage has done in his accusations against me)
Soon after Lord Dimitri defended me, Lord Sausage explains (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2503938&viewfull=1#post2503938) why I must be scum. For one he says I changed tactics after N2, while this is true (I decided to defend myself instead of others) he then invents what is my new tactics. He claims that I started being vocal against the Consul's method, yet I was vocal (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2498712&viewfull=1#post2498712) against them even before N2. (This is but an example, you can easily find more) Of course, when I later confront him about this lie, he ignores me. He also says that my successful protection was part of my new strategy. (Probably referring to his later claim that I want to be seen as a hero) Why did I change strategy? Apparently it was because the Consul started protecting others. "It looked like the good guys could triumph easily, what would you do if you were a Beefdom?" Yet the only successful protection at that time had been done by me and the Consul has failed in saving anyone. (I don't blame them, the odds were against any of us succeeding) Of course, "Super Townie Lord Sausage" can't be saying we are at risk, of course as scum if he is keeping on killing, then he doesn't want the Consuls to change their plans.
Right after that we see more (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2504010&viewfull=1#post2504010) "Super Townie Lord Sausage". And again (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2504257&viewfull=1#post2504257). Notice here how he just casually laughs off a comment about his wild theory being wrong. He's one cool customer, but he's forgetting that a good townie should always question an assertion or a theory, in order to get to the truth, especially if it is being discussed. Lord Sausage is not looking for the truth, only my death. Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2504257&viewfull=1#post2504257) he asks others to reconsider their assumptions, all the while saying he won't reconsider his. (Why be consistent when everyone is simply lapping up his word with no one really accusing him? We'll just be more confused in the end.)
I love this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2504533&viewfull=1#post2504533) where he condemns me for voting that I should get an army. Look at that smilie, its saying: "Look, look, I was right he's trying to be all popular and get and army and stuff!!!" And then to cement his point on how more noble than me he is, he unvotes his own vote for him to get an army and switches to pevergreen, making sure I don't get the army. Of course, this would be noble if he had a chance of getting that army in the first place...
Remember earlier (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2504257&viewfull=1#post2504257) when he said that until it is proven that scum cannot attack each other, he wouldn't drop the "fake attack" theory. Well after several posts telling him that there is great precedent for believe that scum can't attack each other, Lord Sausage has this to say: "Hhmhpft! I am not dropping the fake attack theory..." (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128157-Beefdom-will-rise-once-more&p=2504769&viewfull=1#post2504769) No, no, he's not obsessed, he's just really persistent. (Its quite different, trust me!:laugh4:)
And finally we arrive to the current proceedings. I think all of that is fresh in your minds, so I don't feel the need to go through them at this time.
Thank you very much, you've been a wonderful audience. :bow:
Vote: Romanic
Edit: Crosspost, this was meant to be a reply to YLC.
You are assuming that the Beefdom cannot attack when they have 0 army, which could be false. AFAIK the Beefdom attacks are not restricted by number of armies, and 0 army attacking 0 army could result in a night kill, and 0 army attacking 1+ could appear as a failed attack.
Because of the above possibility, Maharani Meera with 0 army does not help, unless we actually see two night kills on people with at least 1 army protecting them, but somehow I have a feeling that we would either see someone with 0 army die, or a failed attack on someone with 2+.
Then we would be back to square 0, wondering if Maharani Meera is Beefdom.
Why is there so much resistance is lynching someone who is not important? [It's like lynching a vanilla townie in a standard mafia game. Even if TheFlax is not mafia, we will gain by lynching him because we will then be able to focus on someone else. How can people not agree with this?]
Interesting case that you have against me Maharani Meera, it's basically a resume of all I did from night 1, from the eyes of a villain who's trying to discredit me. Usually the first to attack is right, and the 2nd is trying to save his life, and it took you awfully long to do so. Without pressure on them, the mafia Beefdom has no reason to counter attack right?
We will see what the other lords think about this. I, for one, see this as a blatant attempt to save yourself, and hopefully it won't work, but if it does, that's okay. I asked people to decide between you/me to remove the distractions, so getting me lynched instead of someone else is somewhat an improvement.
Interesting case that you have against me Maharani Meera, it's basically a resume of all I did from night 1, from the eyes of a villain who's trying to discredit me.
Pot. Kettle. Black. Also nice of you of dismissing all the accusation based solely on your own opinion.
Usually the first to attack is right, and the 2nd is trying to save his life, and it took you awfully long to do so. Without pressure on them, the mafia Beefdom has no reason to counter attack right?
Gross unsustiated generalization. Accusing first means nothing. What's stopping scum from being the accuser? Also, what's stopping an innocent from accusing another innocent? So what now, when someone defends himself, he's guilty? An innocent has as much of a reason to defend himself than scum.
You're basically saying I did an OMGUS, but that would contradict all the work I've put in that post. As for why it took so long, well, I generally dislike going after people who accuse me. (Its even in the disclaimer on top of my accusation!) When you started accusing me, you completely blindsided me to anything else going on, I got wholly focused on you. Now, I know that's not very objective and I wanted to make sure that if I accused you, it wasn't halfhearted.
We will see what the other lords think about this. I, for one, see this as a blatant attempt to save yourself, and hopefully it won't work, but if it does, that's okay. I asked people to decide between you/me to remove the distractions, so getting me lynched instead of someone else is somewhat an improvement.
I might be ready to forgive the other two quotes as coming from a well intentioned innocent who decided to accuse me, but not this one. This is blatant pandering to the sentiments of the other lords. You're basically saying that you are so good, pure and innocent that you will abide by anything they decide, even if it ends with your death. This is not something an innocent should be doing. Sacrifice looks good on paper, but in fact its terrible. If you know you are innocent, then its your duty to defend your life as best you can, for no one can be more innocent than you are in your eyes. Every innocent who gives up and accepts to be lynched is simply letting the court (town) waste a lynch.
Pot. Kettle. Black. Also nice of you of dismissing all the accusation based solely on your own opinion.
Exactly. I brushed it all away without a consideration of answering them because I weighted the plus/minus of doing so, and minus came ahead. But if you would settle for a quick explanation then here it is: Most of my thoughts/suspicions evolved during the game and that's simply why there might be contradictions in my posts. There's nothing strange about it.
I like how you're fighting this now, down and dirty :laugh4:. It's so sad that you waited for Subotan to pile his 6 votes on you before doing so, otherwise I might have given you some credit for being innocent.
Gross unsustiated generalization.
Ya ya ya ya ya... that's your whole defense against every of my accusations. I am not saying everything is 100% certain. Here's how I see things:
1) Something happens.
2) That something is either more likely scum, neutral or innocent.
If it's likely scum, it does not mean that person is scum. It's like when I said that people lynching ATPG were likely innocent, and reversely those not voting for him are more likely scum. It can't be certain, because there's more than 2 peoples who didn't vote ATPG.
It's just a matter of what is being more likely. If I was to wait for a 100% scum tell, most of the games would end before I make of accusation.
If you add all the "more likely scum" elements together, you get a nice suspect list, and what can I say, you're on top with your Beefdom buddy. :laugh4:
Edit: Crosspost, this was meant to be a reply to YLC.
You are assuming that the Beefdom cannot attack when they have 0 army, which could be false. AFAIK the Beefdom attacks are not restricted by number of armies, and 0 army attacking 0 army could result in a night kill, and 0 army attacking 1+ could appear as a failed attack.
Because of the above possibility, Maharani Meera with 0 army does not help, unless we actually see two night kills on people with at least 1 army protecting them, but somehow I have a feeling that we would either see someone with 0 army die, or a failed attack on someone with 2+.
Then we would be back to square 0, wondering if Maharani Meera is Beefdom.
Why is there so much resistance is lynching someone who is not important? [It's like lynching a vanilla townie in a standard mafia game. Even if TheFlax is not mafia, we will gain by lynching him because we will then be able to focus on someone else. How can people not agree with this?]
If this is true, then you'd also consider pevergreen an accomplice of Maharani Meera? But what about Lord Stefani? Are you claiming there are more then 2 beefdom supporters? You also assume to much about my capabilities or my contacts. You are not getting what you want right now, Lord Sausage, regardless of what you do. Quite literally, your primary and near only option is to accept my proposal.
Continue to rail against Maharani Meera and I may lose my neutrality in this discussion. I do not want to lose my neutrality - do remember you are in an equivilant position with her. We could just as very well lynch you because you are "not important".
#1) If this is true, then you'd also consider pevergreen an accomplice of Maharani Meera? #2) But what about Lord Stefani? #3) Are you claiming there are more then 2 beefdom supporters? You also assume to much about my capabilities or my contacts. You are not getting what you want right now, Lord Sausage, regardless of what you do. Quite literally, your primary and near only option is to accept my proposal.
1) Nope. Sergeant pevergreen is likely innocent after having 0 army on Night 3 when two murders were perpetrated.
2) Lord Stefan could be Beefdom, but I don't see this a possibility at this time.
3) Can't be. It was specified by the host, two Beefdom. Can't deny it if it's in the rules.
Continue to rail against Maharani Meera and I may lose my neutrality in this discussion. I do not want to lose my neutrality - do remember you are in an equivilant position with her. We could just as very well lynch you because you are "not important".
"We ignore your hollow threats!" :smug2:
1) Nope. Sergeant pevergreen is likely innocent after having 0 army on Night 3 when two murders were perpetrated.
2) Lord Stefan could be Beefdom, but I don't see this a possibility at this time.
3) Can't be. It was specified by the host, two Beefdom. Can't deny it if it's in the rules.
Expected responses.
Why hide in the shadows Lord Sausage? (Why in invisible mode?)
"We ignore your hollow threats!" :smug2:
When did I threaten? There is a difference between a threat, and a statement.
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