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Why hide in the shadows Lord Sausage? (Why in invisible mode?)
[:jester: Interesting question. Are you trying to raise my scum level in everyone else's opinion?
Invisible mode is there for a reason, and it's not to hide in mafia games. I don't see any point in answering this question, as the answer is not mafia related.]
UnVote: Romanic, Vote: PEVERGREEN
Unvote: Maharani Meera; Vote: Lord Dmitri
The double act between the Maharani and Lord Sausage is either phenomenal cunning or one both parts or a complete waste of time. I honestly have no idea which one is more guilty, but the consulate's actions tonight will reveal the truth. In the meantime, Lord Dmitri...the Law of Elimination chooses you.
[:jester: Interesting question. Are you trying to raise my scum level in everyone else's opinion?
Invisible mode is there for a reason, and it's not to hide in mafia games. I don't see any point in answering this question, as the answer is not mafia related.]
(What is invisible mode therefore anyway then? I can't seem to find a use for it.)
Death is yonder
06-15-2010, 11:17
Disclaimer: Fairly long post, spoilered for your convenience :bow:
Comments are placed in bold in quotations for convenience due to multiple accusatory clauses. I'm also going to drop the whole RP thing because its easier to defend myself/accuse others/generally play mafia this way.
R.I.P. Chaos Knight and Lord Blackadder. :sad3: Two more of our own slain by the Beefdom, and they both had a single army, again. I'm not surprised by this, has we otherwise would be able to determine that one Beefdom associate would have at least two armies. It's a pity though that our Consuls were unable to protect the right people.
I've got quite a bit to say on your assumptive nature, but I'll just sum it up towards the end because its prevalent in many places.
I applaud Sheik Al-A- This and Stefan vi Britannia decision to attack our inactive members and bring back important votes that would otherwise be wasted in the next voting sessions. That's exactly how we should deal with people who won't care to participate in our meetings, so we won't lose a precious lynch on them.
Yet in reference to this you barely talk anything about Psychonaut except to mention him in your suspect list briefly?
That said, because we don't want to waste our lynch on inactive council members, we have now to consider lynching one of our very active member, and that's going painful. From last night's attack we can deduct that the Beefdom is attacking 1 army lords because...
a) they want to hide the fact that they both have 2 armies.
b) they still have member with 1 army, so they need to target easy lords.
We can't really be sure, but my gut feeling is telling me that option b) is more likely. Because of this, I am going to propose that we lynch one of the remaining lords with a single army, that means:
More assumptions. Plenty of "We can't be sure, but I think its true. Lots of WIFOM too. I don't like this kind of analysis. Its very roundabout logic that goes no where, its mafia play, where you seem to be making analysis but upon further investigation, doesn't reveal much but "Ifs and buts".[/U]
Sergeant pevergreen
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao (Psychonaut)
Lord Sausage (Romanic)
Maharani Meera (TheFlax)
I think we can exclude Sergeant pevergreen from this list because there were two kills on Night 4 when pevergreen had no army, so that leaves us with three candidates. Of course now everyone who paid any attention to our meetings knows who I am going to accuse. :laugh4:
Despite all that I've said? I'm getting fairly tired of you ignoring the main point of my case on why Flax is unlikely to be the mafia and only answering the sections that can be replied with "Nono, you have it wrong, my case answers it, that's how it actually happened DiY!"
Maharani Meera should be promptly lynched. She is, in my eyes, the most suspicious leader around, and I've already made a case about her. Cosme Etxeberria has never bothered to vote on elections, armies and lynches (exception day1 he voted one single army to Khaan Pizzaguy), which is a very foolish way to hide if you are Beefdom (but that's something we cannot discard either, should he keep silent this day again, I would suggest that someone steal his voting power, as he's not using it anyway). The third option is voting for me, Lord Sausage, and of course I know that I am not a Beefdom partisan (but you don't).
Brief glossing over Psycho again. Its as if you want to mention him so you don't receive flak for not doing so, yet you don't want him in the lime light, as seen by the disclaimer there "very foolish way to hide if you are beefdom". The following line is just an attempt to remain objective, yet is contradictory, because for some of these very reasons, they are found in your case against Flax.
My case against Maharani Meera
1) The fake attack on Night 2: I've talked about this already, but it is my belief that this attack on Stefan vi Britannia and the timely defense by Maharani Meera was planned to gain our trust.
2) She has not protected anyone since Night 2. On night 3 and 4 she kept her single army home to protect herself. That's a direct contrast with point #1, if she was able to successfully defend someone, why would she not try it again?
3) I spoke privately with Maharani Meera. She strikes me as someone who doesn't care much about finding the Beefdom. In fact she does not have any suspect, and I believe I know why this is :evil: [OOC: The fact is that TheFlax. afaik, usually start working on suspects early in game, and I had this information confirmed by someone else. Why is he not doing so in this one?]
4) Maharani Meera did not lynch Khaan Pizzaguy : Exactly, she did not vote to lynch him! Call me stupid, but I believe the Beefdom would rather hide behind another vote instead of going against a high profile member like the Khaan. So yes, I think that not lynching the Khaan is a sign of scuminess. (of course, many others including me, did not vote against the Khaan, and we can't be all guilty, but the fact is that the enemy was still more likely to hide somewhere than blatantly vote against Khaan Pizzaguy, so that's a negative for Maharani Meera). She did not vote for the Khaan on day 2, no! She was voting for the Chaos Knight and mumbled some reason about how he was attacking other lords. The fact is, she never talked about that again, after Pizzaguy was lynched. Why is that? Because it was a cover! She didn't really suspect the Chaos Knight, in fact she knew perfectly well that he wasn't Beefdom. :smug2:
Case 1: Completely and utterly false. I've spoken out so much against this, and there's little reason to believe otherwise. This is precisely what I'm talking about when I express my frustration in making a logical case, and having you brush it almost entirely aside except for the sections where the alternative is your case.
Case 2: As a direct relation to my actions last night, I can empathize with this. The previous night, I contacted Subo to protect me with 1 army combined with my own for a safer protection, and the ability to still protect someone that night. The reason why Flax likely defended himself is because well, from a probability standpoint, he is now more unlikely to be scum in the council's eyes that round. I concede that you are right in this, that TheFlax stood to gain credibility, but he did not push it around much like you are doing right now. He continued making normal posts, putting pressure on Chaotix for unsanctioned vigilantism.You on the other hand seem to consider your survival after your Round 1 Accusation as a free pass/affirmation to your innocence.
I believe Flax has sufficiently replied to the rest of your accusations in this regard. My purpose in citing this is not to defend Flax, but rather to accuse you.
My proposal
It's time to show your cojones people, so I am proposing this: Either vote to lynch Maharani Meera, who would not be a big loss anyway, because she only has one army, or vote for me, Lord Sausage so that my death will prove to you that I am on your side. You will then be able to trust my loyal followers after my death [OOC: and by that, I mean that I will stay active to help you.] At least once dead I will not be seen as a distraction to many of you (hopefully :laugh4:).
I will see any other vote than for one of us as irresponsible, unless you come with good arguments against someone else. It is time that you take side about this, because I will keep buggering you until this is settled.
Creating an ultimatum, citing objectivity as useless now that you have supposedly found a definite mafia. Underlying demands for a massive bandwagon on Flax. I must say don't quite like the way your cases assume a lot yet pass it off as certainty. Of course, apologies if this is your style, I've had little experience with you.
My vote, of course, is vote: Maharani Meera (TheFlax)
In summary for this quotation, I don't like the way Romanic is making many assumptions, and assuming that a single possible conclusion from that assumption such as:
"Since TheFlax stands to gain credibility from saving Beskar, therefore, it is certainly a mafia move as they have more to gain"
"Having 0 armies doesn't make you innocent, that's why we have failed attacks"
Issue with this one because all the attacks before this had succeeded, indicating an army strength of more than one, which is PRECISELY why we gave pevergreen armies, Romanic contradicts himself, makes assumptions, and draws false conclusion. I don't like that, its awfully suspicious.
Fine, Romanic, you want to see my real accusation?
Vote: DiY
I don't usually like to show my hand too often, but he's a shadowy figure and he's talking just enough to keep the likes of you off his back. I've looked at the "one-army" list and there isn't really anybody there that stands out. Then it hit me: if a mafia member had two armies and made two kills, it'd be obvious to a fool that they had two armies. Therefore I suspect he's keeping one army to defend himself from rogue attackers such as Chaotix and to avoid arousing suspicion.
I don't seem to be talking very much because I'm rarely online when you are. The period on the .org when most patrons are online is approximately 1am--11am my time. By the time I wake up, most of the people have already started going off. I don't like to post unnecessarily to bump up my post count. I try to make posts that are relevant and contribute to discussion by accusing someone who I find extremely scummy, or defending someone from some case who's logic I see is falsely based, such as Romanic's at the moment.
Satisfied? I am nobody's lapdog, and only consulted Subo so that pestering players such as yourself didn't perceive my attack on Methos as illegitimate and scummy.
I realize that to some, I currently seem like the most scummy person here due to circumstances. To those in the dark: Last night, fearing a reprisal from the mafia as I suspected Romanic to be the mafia and not liking the heat on him from me constantly on his back, I requested Subo to protect me with 1 army, so that I could adequately protect myself, yet continue my protection. Originally I was going to randomize a protection choice, then decided to ask Subo who he'd like protected in that absence of his 1 army, the target was pevergreen, who was not attacked.
Thus, I fully understand Subo's and Arpeggiate's votes on me. Perfectly justified in their viewpoint :bow:
Then we would be back to square 0, wondering if Maharani Meera is Beefdom.
Why is there so much resistance is lynching someone who is not important? [It's like lynching a vanilla townie in a standard mafia game. Even if TheFlax is not mafia, we will gain by lynching him because we will then be able to focus on someone else. How can people not agree with this?]
The only one being distracted is YOU Romanic. In spite of my numerous posts attempting to dissuade you from your false pursuits, you continually chase after getting Flax lynched. I totally understand his feelings that this is seemingly like a personal vendetta. Its a relentless non-ceasing barrage of accusations that the majority are largely based on WIFOM and unfounded clauses.
I have come to a decision - tonight Maharani Meera shall be stripped of her army, and then protected by my forces until her name is cleared. Understandably t6his is not the result Lord Sausage seeks, however is case is strong and it should be pursued in the best way - through vindication. We do NOT need to blindly lynch each other, when we can strengthen ourselves through forethought and planning.
My heart goes out to those who might be victims tonight, but this should and will be the way unless the evidence is overwhelming.
Maharani Meera, you will be subject to trail during the next 2 days. Upon vindication, your army shall be returned to you - do you find this acceptable?
Lord Sausage, Maharani Meera army shall be removed and she shall be put on trial - is this acceptable to you?
Now, understandably, this leaves us with 2 suspects - Lord Sausage, and Count Dmitri. Let us begin the process then.
Vote: Death is Yonder
Quite unsure what I am being accused of.
The double act between the Maharani and Lord Sausage is either phenomenal cunning or one both parts or a complete waste of time. I honestly have no idea which one is more guilty, but the consulate's actions tonight will reveal the truth. In the meantime, Lord Dmitri...the Law of Elimination chooses you.
Again, unsure what I am being accused of, or what list I am being eliminated from.
Currently, the only people confirmed innocent and alive are:
Beskar
pevergreen
I am totally uncertain as to how the identities of:
YLC
Subotan
ArpeggiateTHIS
Psychonaut
Have been ascertained. Why the doubt you ask, the fact remains that whenever an innocent is accused, he knows that he is innocent, therefore he is going to wonder who else is most likely to be the scum. In my opinion, this scum is Romanic.
Like I said, I have no idea what I'm being accused of, or what list I'm being removed from. Evidently there is some Consulate actions going behind the scenes that I am not privy to. The only light I could see possibly shed on the matter is that if a mafia was a Consul, they would be flexing their muscles now, which we are not seeing.
Vote: Romanic
As previously mentioned, I don't like how he makes so many assumptions based on false principles, how dogmatic he is in pursuing these assumptions and inherently false conclusions, and how he ignores evidence and probability to the contrary.
I've been suspicious of him since Day 1, the only reason I gave him a break was out of concern for his attitude towards mafia (even if you are suspicious you don't just pressure a guy who just decided that fine, he's going to stay in mafia). I will eat my hat if he is not dead by the end of the game and he turns out to be mafia. I will not feel silly if TheFlax turns out to be scum, because then, a fine gambit that took you through 3 quarters of the game.
On the subject of Psychonaut: This is the mid-late game already Psycho, come on, you can do better than this performance as a veteran of many games. The lurking at this stage whilst the town is in somewhat heated debate is very suspicious too, if Romanic wasn't being this scummy you are my next choice.
That being said: I think that the mafia are Romanic and Psychonaut.
Though, I wouldn't be surprised if YLC was the mafia, because that was some excellent play getting himself into the Consul position despite Beskar being confirmed innocent and vying for it.
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Beskar
Vote:pevergreen
The only ones I trust implicitly with any armies as we are approaching the end game. I'm not going to risk giving armies to an already moderately powerful (possibly?) mafia.
Since my death is likely a forgone conclusion with the 2 consuls voting for me, I only ask that my two armies will go to Beskar and pevergreen.
My last wish directed at Beefy: Please remember my death wish that I stated to you a few rounds ago.
I've had my fun this game, let me go in peace if you've decided to eliminate me as a suspect, I'm not going to go kicking and screaming because that's just detrimental to the overall town effort, but I'm just going to say that this lynch was directed at the wrong person. Romanic OR Psychonaut needs to go this round. Psychonaut if only because he's a veteran and should know better than to lurk at this stage of the game. Romanic, maybe I'm biased, but I know I'm innocent and Romanic seems like a prime candidate to me. In the end, there is no substantiated evidence except probability that I can argue in my defense, my only request is that my armies aren't wasted and go directly to pever and Beskar. I have no qualms with this lynch because I am removed as a suspect, and my voting power goes to someone confirmed innocent. Anyone attempting otherwise should be considered a mafia.
That is all :bow:
Beefy187
06-15-2010, 13:21
I'm up for 2 more hours.
Should I end the round now, or do you want another 24 hours?
You weren't supposed to be bandwagoned upon DIY - I voted you simply to prevent Romanic from getting his way with Maharani Meera. I am completely amenable to a lynch of Romanic, but I fear it is to late - I do not know if Von Subo is on.
EDIT - ugh, that's what I get for writing tired. I hadn't thought of clarifying WHY I was voting you. Also, it was supposed to be psychonaut there, not you.
Unvote:, Vote: Romanic
That is 8 votes Romanic, 11 Votes DIY. The fates must decide now.
pevergreen
06-15-2010, 15:26
End it now beefy!
Exactly. I brushed it all away without a consideration of answering them because I weighted the plus/minus of doing so, and minus came ahead.
So you're basically saying I should dismiss your accusations, because of all of their inherent flaws? Well, now I know. :bow:
Lord Dimitri (DIY) has stated better than me what those flaws are. I simply wish to add once more that the whole case against me isn't case, its a rethorical exposition solely based on getting me lynched.
Oh and if this is still legit: (if the round is not over)
Vote: Beskar
Vote: Beskar
Vote:pevergreen
Romanic said to me last night when I was talking about the game either to kill him or TheFlax, as the mafia would otherwise just use the whole thing as a distraction for them to hide.
I am going to honour his request to end it, because the mafia most likely would be trying to hide in the fray.
Unvote; Vote: Romanic
I would like to say, I think you played very well in the game, and I hope you continue to contribute after death. Though, if you end up actually being mafia, don't take it personally if I don't follow your advice then. :bow:
Death is yonder
06-15-2010, 17:51
In the end, even if people don't change their minds, and instead I get lynched, I'll give you a few reasons why I don't mind being lynched.
No.1: This isn't a traditional mafia game, which usually, innocent townies are valued for their voting powers in the end game
No.2: When I die, I fully expect pevergreen and Beskar to receive the armies
No.3: Failing this, we can easily see who the mafia are and how they have overplayed their hand
No.4: If they lay low, our innocent power base grows stronger
OTOH the only reason I don't want to die now is that I believe romanic needs to be lynched and the choice now is between me and him.
That is all, lynch me or spare me, its up to you.
Like I said, my ideal preference is that Romanic is lynched.
More to follow after the lynch, my personal suspects at the moment is highly dependent that Romanic is the mafia.
Edit:
End it now beefy!
Why do you want me dead pever? ~:mecry:
Note: Anyone who attempts to grab armies next phase should be immediately considered a traitor and sent to the gallows. The only ones who deserve armies are pevergreen AND Beskar, irregardless of whatever you think. Unless you are trying to lose for the town, or you are the mafia, there is zero motive for you not to give all the armies to pevergreen and Beskar.
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2010, 18:46
edit- meh
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-15-2010, 20:00
^ Why did I ever vote to lynch you? So foolish of the Sheikh.
At the same time, Romanic continues to bleat on like a vanilla. I don't think he'd have the guts to do this if he were in fact mafia.
I have been lax in my own duties khaan, forgive me.
Tum tee tum nothing to see here
If I have been inactive in-thread it has been because I have not had the time to direct a huge amount of energy to this game, given how much IRL (High School finals) and ABZF work I have to do. I have discussed pretty much everything with aThis IRL, and aThis can vouch for me on that.
And did you know that potatoes are crammed with complex carbohydrates to allow for a consistent release of energy over a period of time?
Or here....
Well, we'll see tonight. I'm not really concerned as to whether DiY or Romanic gets lynched today, as I think either of them could be scum, but mine and YLC's foolproof plan will reveal which of the remaining payers is scum.
^ Why did I ever vote to lynch you? So foolish of the Sheikh.
Because he voted for Beskar, a known innocent, and I at least didn't manage to get online before he was lynched.
And btw, Pizza behaves like this in EVERY mafia game, don't you Pizza? Even when he's scum he comes out with big long cliff faces of analysis (Just so you don't all dogpile me; I'm obviously not saying that ATPG is scum, but rather warning aThis as it is his first mafia game with ATPG that ATPG behaviour is brilliantly consistent)
At the same time, Romanic continues to bleat on like a vanilla. I don't think he'd have the guts to do this if he were in fact mafia.
So who is?
Askthepizzaguy
06-15-2010, 22:08
I'd like to rephrase in less harsh terms.
I think the Consul Subotan needs to be more proactive, and I am worried about his judgment. I think it may be time for a new Consul, but that's my view. I was voted down for a reason after all...
(roleplaying. :tongue2:)
I don't find Romanic's case on Flax to be very appealing at all. But I agree with pevergreen that he's showing enthusiasm, and I'd hate to squash that with one harsh post, especially after my own contributions have been lacking.
I will also keep my opinions more to myself as I promised, and just shush now.
edit: Well, as long as you're doing something behind the scenes. I'm not privy to that, Subo.
And did you know that potatoes are crammed with complex carbohydrates to allow for a consistent release of energy over a period of time?
Banana's are better.
DiY is a pretty good choice for the lynch, too, actually. I tried to kill him a few nights ago because I thought he was suspicious.
If you change your mind, go for Psychonaut.
I'm actually gonna call both of them being scum right now, and then come back here and point to this post when I am proven right to show that it was a bad idea to pass me up for the armies. :clown:
then come back here and point to this post when I am proven right to show that it was a bad idea to pass me up for the armies.
I cannot wait for this.
pevergreen
06-16-2010, 01:58
Why do you want me dead pever? ~:mecry:
irregardless
I want the game to continue at a regular pace, since Subo's is due to start soon. :wink:
heheh, irregardless. I love when people use that instead of 'regardless'
Double negatives. :2thumbsup:
Askthepizzaguy
06-16-2010, 03:16
pevergreen totally needs to be made dictator.
I demand to see armies of iron-clad men with tutus sticking spears into the beating hearts of the Beefdom rebels. It's time for a change!
What do we want? pEVER! When do we want it? GREEN!
What do we want? pEVER! When do we want it? GREEN!
What do we want? pEVER! When do we want it? GREEN!
What now? :laugh4:
Wow Lord Dimitri you really look pissed. I understand that you don't like the way that I make my deductions, but that does not make me Beefdom. If I am pushing my case against Maharani Meera it's because I still believe she is guilty no matter what we've talked about. Your arguments did not convince me, and if you look back at the monk's notes, you would see that I never caved.
About Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao being my Beefdom partner, that's a laughable theory. I've requested that he be stripped of his armies during the next night, and I hope one of the Consuls, or the Sheik will follow up on this.
The only one being distracted is YOU Romanic. In spite of my numerous posts attempting to dissuade you from your false pursuits, you continually chase after getting Flax lynched. I totally understand his feelings that this is seemingly like a personal vendetta. Its a relentless non-ceasing barrage of accusations that the majority are largely based on WIFOM and unfounded clauses.What? I already stated that this is not a personal vendetta about TheFlax. This is a mafia game and I am trying to make people agree to my point of view. TheFlax is mafia in my eyes, are you telling me I should stop playing the game?
Wow, you really look pissed. I hope you are a mafiosi trying to save his life, or that you are still IC despite using real names, because this is not fun.
I've been suspicious of him since Day 1, the only reason I gave him a break was out of concern for his attitude towards mafia (even if you are suspicious you don't just pressure a guy who just decided that fine, he's going to stay in mafia). I will eat my hat if he is not dead by the end of the game and he turns out to be mafia.
That was a sad episode, and really the mafia should have killed me for it. But don't worry about your hat, I would never use such a tactic in a mafia game. I'd be too ashamed to show my face in the Gameroom after that.
unvote; vote: Death is Yonder
Yes - I am moving away from my initial proposal to lynch Maharani Meera or me, because I am confused by Lord Dimitri's reaction. Why is he so vehement about defending Meera, but does not bother to defend himself? He is using phrases such as "I am unsure what I am being accused of", but er, the accusation is obvious. I'm getting bad vibrations from this, either he's a Beefdom partisan trying to save his life or he's really annoyed by me.
I cannot pass a chance like this. Maharani Meera is right on one thing, if I am innocent, I should not let myself be killed if I can prevent it, so let's see the color of your flag Lord Dimitri.
Romanic said to me last night when I was talking about the game either to kill him or TheFlax, as the mafia would otherwise just use the whole thing as a distraction for them to hide.
I am going to honour his request to end it, because the mafia most likely would be trying to hide in the fray.
Unvote; Vote: Romanic
Thank you Lord Stefan, I appreciate the gesture. :yes: Now if I can play a friendship card, could you please switch that vote away from me, unless you actually believe that I am a Beefdom partisan? :sweatdrop:
Unofficial tally.
12 Romanic (YLC x6, Beskar x3, DiY x2, TheFlax)
12 DiY (Subotan x6, ArpTHIS x5, Romanic)
*******
2 Did not vote (pevergreen, Psychonaut)
Fun, fun, fun! :laugh4:
pevergreen
06-16-2010, 03:54
Vote: Romanic
ATPG: Did you just reference a game from like a year ago?
Vote: Romanic
:smash: <---- Romanic
:disappointed: <------- pever
A messenger from the HotDog kingdom, carrying an important letter, arrives at Lord Stefan's castle...
"Help me Obi Wan Kenobi Stefan vi Brittania, you're my only hope."
pevergreen
06-16-2010, 05:01
:smug:<-----pever
A messenger from the HotDog kingdom, carrying an important letter, arrives at Lord Stefan's castle...
"Help me Obi Wan Kenobi Stefan vi Brittania, you're my only hope."
It's 5am in the UK, he's asleep; he has a Secura-shaped person going around to his home later today and has to prepare himself for hours of inane Secura-based chatter. :laugh4:
Death is yonder
06-16-2010, 05:16
Wow Lord Dimitri you really look pissed. I understand that you don't like the way that I make my deductions, but that does not make me Beefdom. If I am pushing my case against Maharani Meera it's because I still believe she is guilty no matter what we've talked about. Your arguments did not convince me, and if you look back at the monk's notes, you would see that I never caved.
I'm not angry, I'm just frustrated because from my view point, its as if your not even bothering to reply to my refuting of the substance of your point against Flax.
I've already stated that the sole point of my posts are not to defend Flax, I just don't want us to get distracted by a case I see as having many invalid points, when there are other suspects to pursue.
My stand at the moment is not that you are absolutely guilty. I admit you are trying, very hard, but for whatever cause I am uncertain. You may be a new player but as seen from Daggers in the Night, you can be one cool player under pressure, so I'm not swayed from the deduction that you may be guilty.
Wow, you really look pissed. I hope you are a mafiosi trying to save his life, or that you are still IC despite using real names, because this is not fun.
Like I said, I'm not angry, just trying to very clearly state my point as from my viewpoint, its as if my posts are for nothing, just batted aside and back to square 1, as if nothing happen.
What? I already stated that this is not a personal vendetta about TheFlax. This is a mafia game and I am trying to make people agree to my point of view. TheFlax is mafia in my eyes, are you telling me I should stop playing the game?
I didn't say that it was a personal vendetta, you are not trying to be hostile purposely, but I'm saying that I can see why Flax thinks it to be so, as you are relentlessly pursuing him despite propositions for other ways. I'm not trying to stop you from playing the game, you're doing a great job accusing and trying to get your point across, you are very welcome to do so :bow:
Yet the point remains that I'm simply trying to get you to shift focus, because Flax is a matter left for tonight, and everyone is being distracted from other focuses, like Psychonaut.
I can't tell you how to play the game Romanic, its your own ball game :bow:
But I can try to persuade you that your viewpoint is wrong, at this stage I have a few reasons why you should stop pursuing Flax.
No.1: The matter will be resolved this night
No.2: Flax is unlikelier to be guilty than some others, such as Psychonaut (The main strike against him is that he is clearly capable of doing more, yet he isn't, instead coasting along while this debacle ensues. I recommend that Psychonaut needs to die tonight)
All I can say is that I'm not afraid to die since everyone is so paranoid of me right now as a suspect for the very reasons I've stated above.
Indeed, my continual defense of Flax is scummy, yet from my point of view, perhaps this is "trying to get people not to make the wrong decision" too far, and for that, I am sorry if feel this is getting personal :bow:
To whoever whom wishes to break the tie to my detriment, go ahead, its a perfectly sound townie move that eliminates a suspect, yet retains his voting power preferably in guaranteed innocent hands.
I'm just going to stop this right here, because I don't want you to feel personally targeted Romanic, its all just part of the game :bow:
Apologies if my frustration and constant reiteration seems like a non-stop nag to you, or if I seem like I'm trying to force you to accept my view point. In the end, its your choice, I'm going to drop this matter right here and move on :bow:
Edit: Scratch that, its too late in the game to be making this kind of moves.
OOC: Alright, at the risk of sapping all of my credibility, I don't think Romanic is scum. That huge post I did was mostly because I thought a very weak case was being made against me and when a Consul joined in (for very weak reasons might I add), I decided I had to do something more proactive then refute the "case" which I had been doing for a while now. The whole point was to show Romanic and others that anyone could scrounge up a semblance of a case against someone else, but to make my point I had to make it look real. (I do believe the stuff I have pointed out to be scummy, but I'm still convinced Romanic is a good guy.)
I'm making a gesture of good faith. Unvote, Vote: Psychonaut
And now I would like to ask something of Romanic: Please try to make a real case, don't just deny stuff when it contradicts your theories. I don't mind being accused but having the same back and forth being repeated on and on is tiring. Not only it does not help in finding scum, but it basically focuses the many phases on an argument that will lynch scum at best and at worst will give several rounds for the real scum to hide in. If one attack doesn't work, try another. And, if you survive this round and still go after me on the next day phase, that's fine, but please be open to discussing something else. :bow:
And now I would like to ask something of Romanic: Please try to make a real case, don't just deny stuff when it contradicts your theories.
My case is a real case, I did not pull out your name of a hat, I worked on it. And nothing contradicted my theories enough to push them aside, or I would have. Nothing! My case still stands in my eyes and I'm not going to drop it until my target is dead, or proven innocent. :bow:
How can you say something contradict my theory anyway? From which point of view? Yours?
You say this is tiring for you... You know what's tiring for me? Hearing people say that my theory is wrong when they won't propose one themselves. It's easy to say "No". "No you're wrong Lord Sausage"... Try saying "Yes this someone is Beefdom, and here's why" , for a change, and see how much more work it require and how much harder this is (and this is not directed to Maharani Meera in particular, but to most of you around this table!)
Hell, I could play every mafia games like this. Every time someone accuse someone else, I would go "Nah, you're wrong because", and I'd be right most of the time :laugh4:.
It doesn't matter if I am right or wrong, this is a mafia game, so yes, I'll be wrong at times. We can accuse who we think is mafia over and over and people shouldn't take this personally (but sometimes it's hard). Thus I'm pushing my case until I hear a better option. If you're my target, you'll have to live with it, cause I'm not changing my tune for any wishy-washy arguments.
So basically, I have to deny what you are asking from me. My case is real, no matter how people see it. Shouldn't worry much, people ain't listening anyway.
*****
OOC: Alright, at the risk of sapping all of my credibility, I don't think Romanic is scum. That huge post I did was mostly because I thought a very weak case was being made against me and when a Consul joined inNow that very nice of you Maharani Meera to admit that your case on me was bull:daisy:, and believe me I really want to say the same, but I can't. My heart wants us to make a grand banquet and live happily forever, but my head says that the Beefdom will not let that happen.
Fortunately for you, it's now between Lord Dimitri and I, unless a big change occur, you're going to survive. I talked with Dimitri, and we both would like this situation to go away, but we don't hold enough power to do it. It's all in the hands of our more powerful leaders. :bow:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-16-2010, 10:01
I agree with Maharani; I'd be very surprised if Lord Sausage turns out to be a member of Beefdom. Indeed, we should take note of the fact that sausages contain pork, with no beef at all.
Beefy187
06-16-2010, 13:30
I had a job today. Taught for the first time in my life. Hence the delay.
I'll try to do it today.
We seem to have a tie. So I'll keep waiting.
My case is a real case, I did not pull out your name of a hat, I worked on it. And nothing contradicted my theories enough to push them aside, or I would have. Nothing! My case still stands in my eyes and I'm not going to drop it until my target is dead, or proven innocent. :bow:
Yes a lot of things contradicted your case to shut it down in the eyes of many. You had theories, you may still have them, but they are far from ironclad. Besides, if you play every game like this, pushing your point through by hammering on and on, like I said, you waste a lot of rounds concentrating on one person. Also, how is someone proven innocent? In most games that's impossible. So its basically impossible to convince, how interesting. I understand now that arguing against you is seemingly a waste of time.
How can you say something contradict my theory anyway? From which point of view? Yours?
From the point of view of a lot of people actually. Yes, there are some points of your theory that have been disproven and a lot of them are at least in doubt. Sadly, most of my counter arguments that are valid have simply been ignored.
You say this is tiring for you... You know what's tiring for me? Hearing people say that my theory is wrong when they won't propose one themselves. It's easy to say "No". "No you're wrong Lord Sausage"... Try saying "Yes this someone is Beefdom, and here's why" , for a change, and see how much more work it require and how much harder this is (and this is not directed to Maharani Meera in particular, but to most of you around this table!):
So because people don't propose a theory, they can't contradict yours?
Hell, I could play every mafia games like this. Every time someone accuse someone else, I would go "Nah, you're wrong because", and I'd be right most of the time :laugh4:.
It doesn't matter if I am right or wrong, this is a mafia game, so yes, I'll be wrong at times. We can accuse who we think is mafia over and over and people shouldn't take this personally (but sometimes it's hard). Thus I'm pushing my case until I hear a better option. If you're my target, you'll have to live with it, cause I'm not changing my tune for any wishy-washy arguments.
Yes it matters if you are right or wrong when you are pushing this hard for someone to get lynched over a period of several day phases. Dismissing my arguments as wishy washy... I believe nothing I say will convince you, this is all so pointless.
So basically, I have to deny what you are asking from me. My case is real, no matter how people see it. Shouldn't worry much, people ain't listening anyway.
Your case is real but flawed, why can't you see it?
Now that very nice of you Maharani Meera to admit that your case on me was bull:daisy:, and believe me I really want to say the same, but I can't. My heart wants us to make a grand banquet and live happily forever, but my head says that the Beefdom will not let that happen.
My case is not bull:daisy:, I never said that. I actually believe the arguments I made were valid. I just don't think you are scum. See, you can make a case against someone that is solid, without them being guilty. You can also assume someone is guilty and make a weak case. The problem, as I keep saying, is that your constant attacks on me are obfuscating any other possibilities.
Fortunately for you, it's now between Lord Dimitri and I, unless a big change occur, you're going to survive. I talked with Dimitri, and we both would like this situation to go away, but we don't hold enough power to do it. It's all in the hands of our more powerful leaders. :bow:
My issues was never with your case leading to me being lynched or not, it was because I felt your constant attacks were a distraction, preventing us from prodding other people.
unvote; vote: Psychonaut
Reasons are pretty obvious.
Congratulations on the Meera, Lord Sausage and Mc Chicken for making me look like a fool.
"We agree that none of us are mafia, so it is silly one of us dying, lets change our vote to some one like Psychonaut who is actively lurking. Stefan vi Britannia, help us!"
So I end up voting ahead and they leave me standing to look like muggins. :smash:
Edit: The Meera did vote.
Awww, poor Stefan. Changing my vote is pointless without the support of a big player, but if you insist...
unvote; vote: Psychonaut
Beefy187
06-17-2010, 01:16
Day ended. Counting up the votes.
Askthepizzaguy
06-17-2010, 01:24
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Troubled times ahead... :bigcry:
Beefy187
06-17-2010, 02:07
Beskar:(ArpegiatteTHIS, pevergreen, Subotan, YLC, Beskar, Death is Yonder, TheFlax)
Beskar: (ArpegiatteThis, Subotan, Beskar, Death is Yonder. TheFlax)
pevergreen: (pevergreen, YLC)
pevergreen: (ArpegiatteThis, pevergreen, YLC, Subotan, Death is Yonder, TheFlax)
Romanic: (Beskar)
ArpegiatteTHIS: (pevergreen)
Death is Yonder: (ArpeggiateTHIS, Subotan)
Psychonaut: (TheFlax, Beskar, Romanic)
Romanic: (Death is Yonder, YLC, pevergreen)
Red Army goes to Beskar, Blue Army goes to Beskar, Green army goes to pevergreen and Death is Yonder gets lynched
Day 6 summery
Discussion was heated today.
With the Rebels taking control of Buranda, leaders could feel the battling ram, ready to knock their gates.
Beefy was more then happy to release his Godzilla to crush these weak leaders, but he hated Beefdom just as much. So he decided to quietly listen to them and watch them kill each other.
After a heated race between 2 leaders, it was decided that Lord Dimitri was the traitor.
Lord Dimitri who have been protecting others was to die by the hands of those who he tried to protect... Or did he? Perhaps he was making him look innocent.
Lord Dimitri was clearly pale. But he bravely accepted his fate of death.
Some council members was wondering why they chose Beefys land to host this meeting. One reason was because Beefys castle is beautiful. Castle high up in the mountains, looking down at the tiny world made them feel more secured and peaceful. And second was because no body wanted to dirty their hands, and Beefy was more then happy to do just that.
Beefy walked up to Lord Dimitri, whistling Santa Clause tune and asked him if he had any last wish.
"Yes" answered Lord Dimitri. "Maharani Meera. I defended you for this whole meeting. For three and a half days, I stood by your side, protecting from those who wish to condemn you to death. I ask you. As a fellow noble leader, and as a friend. Could you grant my last wish?"
Maharani Meeras face went red. Perhaps imagining something completely different. A good bye kiss? Hug? Is he after my body? She was going to say yes to all that though. She had no reason to refuse those request.
"Say your request Lord Dimitri. If its not beyond the call of duty of this council, I will gladly oblige till my last breath"
"Thank you Noble Maharani" said Lord Dimitri. "Though theres so many I want to ask you. This must come before any request. One worthy of the last request by Lord Dimitri."
Meera gulped. As did most of the perverted council members. If Maharani Meera is doing what they think Dimitri might ask, getting lynched may not be half bad...
"Maharani Meera. My Dearest friend." Lord Dimitri closed his eyes. Took a deep breath. Then with a sad smile on his face he asked. "Take care of my chicken"
Dimitri gave a quick wink to the noble Lady, and nodded. Beefy charged him with a dagger and stabbed him again and again.
As Dimitri fell to the eternal darkness, his last thought was not Meera nor his people. But the baby chickens which was born yesterday.
"Cutey.."
Frustrated that they didn't get to see what they wanted, Leaders got on their horses and prepared for a journey back home.
"Lords!" said Beefy. "Before you leave, I must advice you."
"Say if you have 2 armies to attack player A and 1 to protect you. Beefy attacks you with 3 armies. What will happen is that inferior player who is no match for the mighty arms of Beefy will lose all their armies. Including the ones who you sent to attack someone. So just be cautious of your defenses. Just clarifying the rule.
If you don't like that, announce a motion. If you can get majority to agree to a new rule I'll gladly change the rule."
Start Night 6!
Beefy187
06-17-2010, 02:08
Killed
Lord Stranger "pever slayer" I of the mountain of Spamdoom (The Stranger)
Imperator Maellrick of the Latinate Peoples (Centurion1)
Viscount of Eastern North Puce, Fernand Arsenic (Autolycus)
Robert Blake of the "tower" (Double A)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty
Chaos Knight (Chaotix)
Lord Blackadder of Buranda (Captain Blackadder)
Lynched
Khaan Pizzaguy of the Hungry Khaanate (Askthepizzaguy)
Maduraiyin Naathigan (atheotes)
Lord Dimitri of Order of Chickens (Death is Yonder)
Faction Strength
6 Army Strengths
Legate Casimir of the Yonder Commonwealth (YLC)- Consulate
Duke Nukem Von Subotan (Subotan)- Consulate
5 Army Strength
Sheikh Al-A- This of the Great Sands (ArpeggiateThis)
Stefan vi Britannia; Order of Albion (Beskar)
2 Army Strengths
Sergeant pevergreen of the pever brigade of pevertopia (pevergreen)
1 Army Strength (1 vote)
Maharani Meera of Suiriene (TheFlax)
Lord Sausage of the HotDog Kingdom (Romanic)
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao. (Psychonaut)
0 Army Strength (Killed if attack. Can't vote)
Warman
Methos
Pinman
Interesting that Legate Casimir would not bother to answer my multiple requests to change his vote from me to Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao, and that Lord Dimitri died because of it. I am sad to see you go my friend, just when we came to an understanding, you are taken away. :sad:
"Say if you have 2 armies to attack player A and 1 to protect you. Beefy attacks you with 3 armies. What will happen is that inferior player who is no match for the mighty arms of Beefy will lose all their armies. Including the ones who you sent to attack someone. So just be cautious of your defenses. Just clarifying the rule.
If you don't like that, announce a motion. If you can get majority to agree to a new rule I'll gladly change the rule." Clarification about the rules of war?! *gulp* Someone is preparing for war, just like the ghost of Pizzaguy said, troubles times ahead indeed.
I have but one army, so I am just a pawn in this game of thrones, but please hear my warnings:
It is not the time to protect the weak anymore, we need to protect the strong! Yes, otherwise the Beefdom can perform a sneak attack and gain a majority of the votes, that will ensure them victory. Strong lords, do not make the mistake to send your armies around to protect the weak, as pointed out by Lord Beefy, someone with 6 armies can lose them all if he's not defended properly.
Losing an innocent with 5+ armies to the Beefdom would be catastrophic, but losing someone with one is a minor setback. We need to make sure this Kingdom will live another day. Protect the strong! Protect who you believe is innocent!
Do not tell your future moves to anyone! And that includes Lord Stefan, Sergeant pevergreen or anyone you may think is confirmed innocent. No one is confirmed innocent! The fate of our kingdom depends on it. Don't ask me where my army will be, I won't tell anyone! Even those I had dealings with yesterday. Too much is at stake.
Do not follow any Consul's advice! I don't trust them, and you shouldn't either. They may try to manipulate you, get you to open your defenses. On this night, anyone with too much information is dangerous! I would say otherwise if we had great Consuls in place, but these two have proven nothing so far.
I would gladly give advice to those I believe innocents, but I fear that I would be misinterpreted. My feeling is that nobody listened to me so far, and it won't change overnight, so I will refrain from private dealings until the sun comes up. The future generations will judge you on how you did tonight, good luck by friends. :bow:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-17-2010, 09:22
Do not follow any Consul's advice! I don't trust them, and you shouldn't either. They may try to manipulate you, get you to open your defenses. On this night, anyone with too much information is dangerous! I would say otherwise if we had great Consuls in place, but these two have proven nothing so far.
Then you are saying that the remains of the Council would be better splintered into fragments and left to be eliminated one by one? Treachery! Cooperation is key to our sucess, and those who do not cooperate should be cast aside!
Your pathetic army will be no use to you. Your fate lies at the hands of the Council Elites and the Consul, yet you are too careless with your words for them to listen. Sleep tight, Romanic. Sleep tight indeed.
Death is yonder
06-17-2010, 09:28
Basically Romanic is saying that it would be unwise to totally trust anyone at this juncture, wholeheartedly. Though I maintain my stand that Beskar and pevergreen are the only people who should be trusted at this point.
Then you are saying that the remains of the Council would be better splintered into fragments and left to be eliminated one by one? Treachery! Cooperation is key to our sucess, and those who do not cooperate should be cast aside!
Your pathetic army will be no use to you. Your fate lies at the hands of the Council Elites and the Consul, yet you are too careless with your words for them to listen. Sleep tight, Romanic. Sleep tight indeed.
I am saying that 2 of the remaining 8 voting members are probably Beefdom, and that people shouldn't spread around what they intend to do. It pains me to see how poor a tactician you are, Sheik Al-A- This.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-17-2010, 09:37
Basically Romanic is saying that it would be unwise to totally trust anyone at this juncture, wholeheartedly. Though I maintain my stand that Beskar and pevergreen are the only people who should be trusted at this point.
Are you saying that...that you don't...uhm..trust The Sheikh?:bigcry:
I think you have a point though: I haven't been attacked. Then again, maybe that is because the Armies of the Great Sands could easily defeat the Beefdom low-lives.
I am saying that 2 of the remaining 8 voting members are probably Beefdom, and that people shouldn't spread around what they intend to do. It pains me to see how poor a tactician you are, Sheik Al-A- This.
A poor tactician? The Sheikh has taken more initiative than even the Consul, and this round we shall see that at least one Beefdom rebel has been eliminated!
Beefy187
06-18-2010, 10:08
Looks like no further orders are being sent so night phase is ended
Commencing write ups
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-18-2010, 12:35
Looks like no further orders are being sent so night phase is ended
Commencing write ups
Gah! It's the night phase!
If not too late...
Beefy187
06-18-2010, 13:00
Night 6 summery
Few months ago in Buranda.
Before the Captain, there was thousands of Rebels waiting for his word.
Lord Blackadder muttered something but the guard slapped him in the head to silence the captured man.
Blind folded, tied.... Waiting to get killed mercilessly.
As the Beefdom rebels laughed at the humiliated man, Captain saw that it was the time to start the speech.
"Proud men of Beefdom! For years we have waited for this day! Years of oppression! Years of hiding who we really are.
Today we shall swear to our selves. We will bow to no one! We will hide no more. We are free men! Men of Beefdom!!"
Lord Blackadder nervously squiggled. Trying to untie the ropes. Even if he managed to do that, he knew he couldn't get away too far.
But the small hope of survival was better then patiently waiting for certain death.
"We have endured! We really did! Like those volcanoes, we have waited to explode out of the miserable life. And today we finally did! Before we go and drink like crazy, I would like to acknowledge someone... Please come out!"
Lord Blackadder squiggled a little more. The guard who was trying to concentrate on the speech was clearly irritated.
He gave a rather strong whack. Accidentally the fabric which covered his sight was removed. He saw that someone who was clearly not supposed to be here.
"You!!!" shouted Lord Blackadder in anger, but immediately was silenced. Not by a slap this time. But with a dagger stabbed in his chest.
Must tell them... Must tell the council he thought. But what can a dead man do? Dead man can tell no tales.
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"But us living in future. In a peaceful world can tell tales!!" Gladly announced the grandpa.
Young boy never liked the grandpas history lecture of the island which the boys family supposingly owns.
Its too long, its too bloody and its clearly a lie.
"Wake up young man! I'm not done yet!"
Boy yawned, but signaled him to carry on with the story.
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Blue sky. White cloud making all sorts of shapes.
Strong wind making wavey patterns on the yellow cornfield.
Green leafs. Flying high up in the sky.
Summer was close. Leaf was full of energy, until it slowly descended on the man.
With one smooth swing, Sergeant pevergreen chopped the leaf in half.
Stuff Environmentalism. That was his way of expressing the joy of finally being free.
Too long he have been kept in the cells.
Last season he reunited with his pever brigade. pever purple and pever blue especially celebrating the Sergeants return.
Now he had pever brigade +1 under his command.
Why should he be unhappy?
Like a child who got a new toy, pevergreen ordered his army to raid.
They marched to the jail full of terrified soldiers.
Was pevergreen out for revenge? For all the terrible stuff the jail guards did to him?
No. pevergreen rather had fun in the jail. He is a member of council after all, you can't be cruel to him.
Then why is he here?
"In the name of Council of Nobles, I'm here to arrest the destiny of King Warman of the Swiss Mongols and Pinman. Those men are believed to be the traitors to the alliance."
Jail guards could not object to this request. Those men were attacked for a reason.
So King Warman and Pinman was handed to the pever brigade.
Who without any hesitation executed those once honored leaders.
"Sorry brothers" said sergeant pevergreen. "Die for the good of the alliance."
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"Sheikh Al A of the Great Sands! Lay down your arms to the might of Beefdom! Or else we will force you to!!"
Army of Beefdom surrounded the palace of Sheikh Al A.
Sheikh sighed and said to his man.
"Army out side was us... And we were them. Why did so many had to change in time so short?"
His men tried to answer but Sheikh continued. "That was a rhetoric question. Questions not supposed to be answered. Lets keep it that way so everything is perfect and beautiful."
The man was mad. He must be. Sheikh Al A was clearly not the man his supposed to be.
"What would Lacy do?"
He kept whispering something with an eyes closed, with his worried man beside him.
It was about the same time. As an loud explosion was heard in the distance, Sheikh Al A opened his eyes
"Lacy loved plays. So like all good actors, lets go break some legs!"
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Beefdom soldiers who breached the gates, were met with high morale forces, equal in numbers.
Men of Great Sands, well armed men who received sophisticated army training.
When the Beefdom soldiers saw that victory was impossible, Captain was quick to retreat his men out side of the palace and regroup.
Then started the stalemate. Beefdom soldiers didn't allow the Great Sands soldiers out, and Great Sands Soldiers didn't allow them in.
In this situation, Great Sands had the advantage with their locals on their sides. Slowly the Beefdom was pressured to make a move first.
Beefdom seemed to be doomed.
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Sheikh Al A was also getting restless. As were his men.
While the locals were on his side, Beefdom had them completely surrounded to cut out the supply line.
Local militias weren't strong enough to break the siege. He regretted moving his best men in the palace.
He sent out many messengers to ask for aid, but no allies have came to help.
While strategically speaking Great Sands had the advantage, his men who were used to living a rich life.
They were already complaining about the lack of food while the Beefdom soldiers picked Cactus and other desert plants to survive.
Water was a big problem. Great Sands couldn't dig everywhere to preserve their palace, Beefdom had the whole desert for them selves to dig the water they need.
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While it was stale mate, Sheikh Al A THIS couldn't get hold of the game.
He was always on the defensive, trying to pick off the intruding attempts, assassins, fake merchants and Trojan Horses.
They had 2 gates and few broken walls which was unrepairable while being surrounded, always being watched by Beefdom.
Attacking them in significant number was too obvious. And Sheikh Al A knew that staying inside the wall was the only way of countering Beefdom.
On the 158th day of siege, Beefdom attacked once more.
Sheikh Al A and his men fought furiously, but when they noticed after over 100 days without the control over his land some of his people turned on him, they practically gave up.
Eventually they were overwhelemed and defeated.
Beefdom took over the Great Sands, and had Sheikh Al A publically executed.
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Two armies was nervously facing off with the army of the Yonder Commonwealth.
Ready to strike the place where Legate Casimir resides.
Lord Sausage and Maharani Meera who held fine relationship with the Legate was to face him in battle.
Why? It was because of one man who planned this attack in the first place... One whos meant to be leading their army in battle.
"Just where is Stefan Vi Brittannia?"
They just waited and waited..
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Legate Casimir was outraged.
He already figured out that Stefan Vi Britannia was behind the Suireine and Hot Dog army attacking.
One good thing was that it looked as if their army was waiting for Stefan and didn't start the attack till then.
So he was able to send his messenger to the fellow consulate Subotan. Hoping that he will send some aid.
After few weeks, Consul Subotan arrived with his small guards.
They talked about the possible resolution of this situations. Subotan left with a promise to convince the foes outside to go back to their land at once.
Few hours later, Legate Casimir fell off a chair. Poison was found from his wine glass. Murderer was quite obvious.
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Indeed what Subotan resolved the situation. By attacking Lord Sausage and Maharani Meera with overwhelming numbers.
Two leaders was captured by Subotan.
At the other side of the world, Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao was also attacked by the Consular army.
His magic trick was not enough to repel his attack. He too was captured.
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Leaders arrived at the meeting hall. Something was different.
Start day 7
Sorry ArpeggiateTHIS. Orders was too late :bow:
Beefy187
06-18-2010, 13:02
Killed
Lord Stranger "pever slayer" I of the mountain of Spamdoom (The Stranger)
Imperator Maellrick of the Latinate Peoples (Centurion1)
Viscount of Eastern North Puce, Fernand Arsenic (Autolycus)
Robert Blake of the "tower" (Double A)
Spl1tp3r50nal1ty
Chaos Knight (Chaotix)
Lord Blackadder of Buranda (Captain Blackadder)
Sheikh Al-A- This of the Great Sands (ArpeggiateThis)
Legate Casimir of the Yonder Commonwealth (YLC)- Consulate
Pinman
Lynched
Khaan Pizzaguy of the Hungry Khaanate (Askthepizzaguy)
Maduraiyin Naathigan (atheotes)
Lord Dimitri of Order of Chickens (Death is Yonder)
Warman
Faction Strength
6 Army Strengths
Duke Nukem Von Subotan (Subotan)- Consulate
5 Army Strength
Stefan vi Britannia; Order of Albion (Beskar)
2 Army Strengths
Sergeant pevergreen of the pever brigade of pevertopia (pevergreen)
0 Army Strength (Killed if attack. Can't vote)
Methos
Maharani Meera of Suiriene (TheFlax)
Lord Sausage of the HotDog Kingdom (Romanic)
Cosme Etxeberria de Gasteiz y Bilbao. (Psychonaut)
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2010, 13:29
:laugh4:
Spinning in my grave, spinning spinning spinning.
Hah, good job Stefan! If only people would have listened when I was yelling about that fake attack on night 2, for it's now clear that it was a fake attack.
Fools.
I'm retiring to my dungeon with the few trusted men that I have. We don't stand a chance but we'll put a brave fight.
FOREVER BEEFDOM, ETERNAL BEEFDOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnorUVcOX4#t=05m05s)
Well, it was fun while it lasted, but the town's been undone as I said; y'all made an assumption (especially you, DiY!), and it came back to bite you on the bottom.
The roleplaying was awesome though, I'm going to re-read the whole thread just to immerse in it all again. <3
Vote:PEVERGREEN
Only someone as devious as P could mount such as despicable attack on the honour and integrity of the temporary guardians of the Beefdom. Truly, P must be eradicated to allow the true rulers of Beefdom to take their places as the Dual Kings of Beefdom
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2010, 13:41
*The Pizza Khan rises from the grave and decapitates Subotan*
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-18-2010, 13:45
Woah.
Well, I didn't expect that. How did I not expect that?
(Oh, if anybody's interested the orders that were too late were to defend Romanic with a few armies.)
Askthepizzaguy
06-18-2010, 13:53
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/EPYC/shaokahn.jpg
Voice Booming:
You dare insult the great and powerful Khan of the Hungry Horde?
You sniveling little weasel. You don't deserve to live anymore.
Criticism I can take.... suggested actions, I will listen. New plans, new strategies, even being told that you think you can do a better job as Consul. But calling the Khan's actions thus far 'greedy' means YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!
Vote: Beskar
Wins the thread.
Afterward: Epic pizza backlash, followed by massive fail. :laugh4:
Woah.
Well, I didn't expect that. How did I not expect that?
Cos you were well-played? :P
I figured Subotan to be one of the Beefdom partisans within the first few posts of the game; Beskar confirmed this and revealed himself, and I later ceased posting in-thread because it wasn't fair on me to give town some gentle nudges in the right direction when I wasn't even playing. Now we're at the point where the last formality has to be dealt with... poor pevergreen!
Let it be a lesson though; being attacked by mafia doesn't necessarily make you innocent. :3
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-18-2010, 14:02
Cos you were well-played? :P
I figured Subotan to be one of the Beefdom partisans within the first few posts of the game; Beskar confirmed this and revealed himself, and I later ceased posting in-thread because it wasn't fair on me to give town some gentle nudges in the right direction when I wasn't even playing. Now we're at the point where the last formality has to be dealt with... poor pevergreen!
Let it be a lesson though; being attacked by mafia doesn't necessarily make you innocent. :3
But..but...the answer was right there. I guess I was too busy trying to gain power myself, and I never really checked up on the Beskar alibi. At the same time, I thought Romanic was being too vanilla for his own good, hence I was going to defend him this round.
Beskar and Subo: You're scummy scumbags. Especially you, Subo.
The best, absolute BEST of the game was that you voted me in as consul because of this:
I am the only one with the balls of steel required to lead the town to victory.
:devilish:
And what made me look scummy, Secura?
Beskar and Subo: You're scummy scumbags. Especially you, Subo.
I know :beam:
I figured Beskar was scum when he didn't CC his orders for the night. It was too late though.
Err... We surrender?
Death is yonder
06-18-2010, 14:33
Well, it was fun while it lasted, but the town's been undone as I said; y'all made an assumption (especially you, DiY!), and it came back to bite you on the bottom.
The roleplaying was awesome though, I'm going to re-read the whole thread just to immerse in it all again. <3
In my defence, while being attacked by the mafia does not indicate innocence, I've rarely seen a game that allows the mafia to stage an attack on themselves. The only possible reference to this was the section where mafia actions were separate to townie actions, but I considered this similar to the capo mechanic in which the mafia could perform townie actions.
As for the rest, I'll save the victory congratulations till the game is over.
:bow:
Beefy187
06-18-2010, 14:36
Theres at 2 ways that townies could win from this situation. But mafia must make a very very silly mistake.
EDIT: So mafia do your stuff. I'll post the finale when I wake up.
I figured Beskar was scum when he didn't CC his orders for the night. It was too late though.
Err... We surrender?
Never! They may take my life, but they will never take my freedom!
Come with me in my dungeon Maharani Meera, we have strong barricades! Together we will put a hell of a fight!
Never! They may take my life, but they will never take my freedom!
Come with me in my dungeon Maharani Meera, we have strong barricades! Together we will put a hell of a fight!
Of course Lord Sausage, forgiven my moment of weakness! And to say I listened to Stefan the mongrel's flowery words.
"Freedom is not the right to do what we want, but what we ought. Let us have faith that right makes might and in that faith let us; to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it. "
pevergreen
06-18-2010, 15:25
Huh, i'm confused.
Sorry beefy i just read part of the writeup but can't finish them
Whos mafia?
Huh, i'm confused.
Sorry beefy i just read part of the writeup but can't finish them
Whos mafia?
Beskar and Subotan
Death is yonder
06-18-2010, 15:36
Part where YLC drops dead from poison after coming into contact with Subo followed by the line "Obvious who the murderer was".
And there you have Secura proclaiming she knew it was Beskar and Subo from the get go.
:yes:
pevergreen
06-18-2010, 15:37
Well...
https://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/mechaghidorah/BenderCigar.jpg
We're boned.
The best, absolute BEST of the game was that you voted me in as consul because of this
Beskar and I have been discussing the Consulship for a while, and I believe the game would have likely ended sooner had the town decided to vote for him to be Consul over YLC... y'all bought yourselves an extra round or so. :P
And what made me look scummy, Secura?
I read your posts at the start and something just... tipped me off, really. I was sat thinking to myself that you were scum... I think it was just my gut feeling.
I was at Beskar's home and he asked why I didn't join the game and what my thoughts were as a reader; I said that I had a scummy vibe from you and that it would be funny if you were the scum considering the last two games I remember (Mafia IX, Star Wars) you were mafia too... he said that my suspicion was correct and that you were, and that he was your scum buddy.
From there, I was half lamenting the extent to which the town imploded and the degree to which you and Beskie masterfully played them. :3
In my defence, while being attacked by the mafia does not indicate innocence, I've rarely seen a game that allows the mafia to stage an attack on themselves. The only possible reference to this was the section where mafia actions were separate to townie actions, but I considered this similar to the capo mechanic in which the mafia could perform townie actions.
All I can say to counter this is that things didn't feel like a normal mafia game, what with the voting system, how armies and voting worked and such; Beskar's attack against himself was a gamble from what I know, as he wasn't certain anyone was going to protect him... turns out Flaxy did and it bought him one hell of an alibi. :P
Theres at 2 ways that townies could win from this situation..
I'd love to know what they were once things have concluded! :o
And there you have Secura proclaiming she knew it was Beskar and Subo from the get go.
Not the get-go, but near enough.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-18-2010, 16:05
In future: do not be anybody's lapdog. Ever. No matter how innocent they seem.
Subo you've got a good pokerface.
Beskar and I have been discussing the Consulship for a while, and I believe the game would have likely ended sooner had the town decided to vote for him to be Consul over YLC... y'all bought yourselves an extra round or so. :P
No doubt. I was gnashing my teeth when YLC got elected, as I was sure that he would se through my disguise.
I read your posts at the start and something just... tipped me off, really. I was sat thinking to myself that you were scum... I think it was just my gut feeling.
I was at Beskar's home and he asked why I didn't join the game and what my thoughts were as a reader; I said that I had a scummy vibe from you and that it would be funny if you were the scum considering the last two games I remember (Mafia IX, Star Wars) you were mafia too... he said that my suspicion was correct and that you were, and that he was your scum buddy.
From there, I was half lamenting the extent to which the town imploded and the degree to which you and Beskie masterfully played them. :3
In retrospect, they were quite scummy. I offered no reason as to why I was a better candidate than, say, YLC, and yet you all voted for me. And then everyone agreeing to bandwagon ATPG was superb.
To quote Civ 4, "I fooled you, I fooled you, I got Beefdom, I got Beefdom, l got all Beefdom!"
I groaned when Random.org assigned Beefiness to me, as I haven't really had a chance to develop a townie playing style. It now appears that I am mafia more often than atheotes.
In future: do not be anybody's lapdog. Ever. No matter how innocent they seem.
Subo you've got a good pokerface.
I'll take that as a compliment :disguise:
You made a mistake Beefy, Subotan isn't Consul anymore.
Elect: Beskar
Vote all armies: Beskar
Lynch Vote: pevergreen
There we go.
oh and make that elect Dictator: Beskar, since I never even got to be a consul. :cry:
In my defence, while being attacked by the mafia does not indicate innocence
In my defence, I never once attempt to make myself "innocent", that wasn't the point of the fake attack. the goal of the fake attack was to kill Pizza, because he was a tyrant, and thus a big threat. The attacks were to frame Pizza. The attacks were 100% successful in producing the reaction I wanted, the whole "Beskar must be innocent" was simply an additional bonus.
Yes, I attacked all the inactives and those who didn't RP as mafia targets, I left all the actives to talk. (Gave a better game atmosphere, didn't it? :beam: )
Also, you should have really passed the Consul motion. It would have made the mafia's job harder, since you elected Subotan twice. Plus Subotan allowed me to grow strong as I did.
We also allowed ArgTHIS to be strong as he was, because Subotan assured me he had him under his thumb. :tongue:
Any other questions?
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-18-2010, 18:39
We also allowed ArgTHIS to be strong as he was, because Subotan assured him he had him under his thumb. :tongue:
I was! Subo did what I asked him to do SO many times that I thought I was almost playing him. The only hint came when he didn't attack Psychonaut (the night I attacked Methos) as we'd agreed, and I even jokingly called him out as scum then. I was over-confident. Although maybe there'd have been a different story if I'd have pursued the "mafia have more than one army" line of thought that got DiY lynched.
oh and make that elect Dictator: Beskar, since I never even got to be a consul. :cry:
Harumph. We could always partition the Beefdom, and agree to reunite it after the first one of us dies (BY NATURAL CAUSES)
Yes, I attacked all the inactives and those who didn't RP as mafia targets, I left all the actives to talk. (Gave a better game atmosphere, didn't it? :beam: )
One of the reasons I never wanted to attack P was because I thought that having just one "innocent" left for the rest of the game would make Beskar stand out.
Also, you should have really passed the Consul motion. It would have made the mafia's job harder, since you elected Subotan twice. Plus Subotan allowed me to grow strong as I did.
Ironically, the fact that we both supported it and the rest of you (Including Pizza) pooh-poohed was one of the most important reasons for out victory. It made me in particular look like I wasn't scum.
We also allowed ArgTHIS to be strong as he was, because Subotan assured me he had him under his thumb. :tongue:
Apparently so :beam:
I was! Subo did what I asked him to do SO many times that I thought I was almost playing him. The only hint came when he didn't attack Psychonaut (the night I attacked Methos) as we'd agreed, and I even jokingly called him out as scum then. I was over-confident. Although maybe there'd have been a different story if I'd have pursued the "mafia have more than one army" line of thought that got DiY lynched.
The excuse I gave you was the only time I was telling the truth, as Chaotix did ask me for more armies, but I forgot to deliver them. Everything else you asked me to do was just protections, which I just ignored and killed somebody else.
Harumph. We could always partition the Beefdom, and agree to reunite it after the first one of us dies (BY NATURAL CAUSES)
Actually, I just realised, I think you might have 5 or so armies yourself. I am presuming you attack Psychonaut, TheFlax and Romanic, thus gaining their 3 armies?
Also, I went "give all armies" beskar, because Beefy never seperated between them. I will change my vote if you allow me to be dictator, you get to have the armies, so we are about the same strength anyway.
Unvote; Vote Armies: Subotan
Ironically, the fact that we both supported it and the rest of you (Including Pizza) pooh-poohed was one of the most important reasons for out victory. It made me in particular look like I wasn't scum.
Indeed, it was almost a crime in how we were helping the town.
As the spoils of war, I will take the Meera as my bribe, to be my wife and to bear my children.
Actually, I just realised, I think you might have 5 or so armies yourself. I am presuming you attack Psychonaut, TheFlax and Romanic, thus gaining their 3 armies?
Also, I went "give all armies" beskar, because Beefy never seperated between them. I will change my vote if you allow me to be dictator, you get to have the armies, so we are about the same strength anyway.
Unvote; Vote Armies: Subotan
OK.
Vote:Subotan
Elect:Beskar
Indeed, it was almost a crime in how we were helping the town.
We would have made excellent townies.
As the spoils of war, I will take the Meera as my bribe, to be my wife and to bear my children.
Whereas I shall take Psychonaut to be my "Court Monkey", and Romanic can live a happy and messy life with my pigs.
Sounds like we agreed. I will write-up a motion for the re-establishment of the Beef Kingdom.
As for any rivalries between our families, Duke von Subotan, I propose our children marry. Therefore, our familes becoming one. The two that marry will become lawful successors, and their offspring will be the only one to hold the title of King of Beefdom (the combination of both our titles). I will only take the title as Dictator for my reign, while you can take the title of "Commander-in-Chief" (infact, you can even name it) and be incharge of the armed forces, while I do the do the boring administrative work.
As for the rest of you miserable lot, if you approve this motion, your lives will be spared, your lands will become vassals of the New Beef Kingdom, and you shall marry into Noble Beef Blood, and only the successors of these unions will become the lords of your lands.
Hooray! Three Cheers for the Restored Beefdom Imperium! May the Beskotan Dynasty rule for 10,000 generations!
Motion: Establishment of the Beefdom Imperium
All living lords who approve this motion shall surrender their armies to Von Subotan and pledge a oath of loyalty to the Beefdom Imperium, and be allowed to administrate their lands in the name of the Beefdom. They must marry into Noble Beefdom blood, and only the children of these unions shall be the successors to their lands. Failure to approve this motion will ren a swift death and your lands confiscated, and your family, friends and supporters murdered and their lands also confiscated.
Stefan vi Britannia will assume control of the Imperium under the title of "Dictator" and will be in charge of the administration and management of the nation.
Duke von Subotan will assume control of the armed forces under the title of "Commander-in-Chief" and will be in charge of the armed forces, to put down rebels and to bring in new conquests.
These two positions will merge under the grandson of both these families, which shall hold of the titles of "King of Beef" "Emperor of the Beefdom Imperium".
[Approval of this motion will override the distribution of armies and Consul election. These will automatically be distributed to Stefan receiving title of Dictator and the nine armies, and Duke von Subotan receiving the armies which currently have no lord, plus any lords armies of those who approve this motion. Those who don't approve this motion if it passes, will die. The Beefdom Rebels (Mafia) will win the game. ]
Stefan vi Britannia will approve this motion.
Motion: Yes
In the best interest of my people, I choose to surrender.
Motion:Yes
Apologies, Lord Sausage.
But I wanted Cosme Exteberria to dance for me and for Lord Sausage to crawl with the pigs :(
But I wanted Cosme Exteberria to dance for me and for Lord Sausage to crawl with the pigs :(
You are the guy with the armies. What is going to stop you from forcing them to do it? You don't need to pass a motion for that.
*spits*
Motion: No
Never!!!!
Beefy187
06-19-2010, 00:53
Flaxie and Romanic doesn't have a vote but ah well.
And yes, Beskar is right. Subo is no longer Consulate. Sorry forgot to do the election and stuff.
Day 7 summery
It was now obvious who the traitors were.
Stefan Vi Britannia and Duke Nukem Von Subotan, standing before the weak consulate.
Stefan Vi Britannia came to the front and started his speech.
"Friends! Noble men! If there is a God, he have decided today that what Lacy built was no longer necessary. Today, new empire starts. Empire of Beefdom!"
With no body but the peverbrigade possessing army strong enough to fight, and even his army was not large enough, not many could object against this tyranical offer.
"First. I claim my self Dictator. With Subotan as chief in command. All of you with armed forces shall surrender them to Subotan. Any objections?"
Most leaders kept their silence, while some like Maharani Meera nodded to their offer. But one was brave enough to reject this offer.
"Tyranny! I would never accept it! Fools! All of you! Where are your prides? Aren't you free men?"
It was Lord Sausage. He took out his sword and charged at the two traitors.
Subotan waved his hand. Immediately hundreds of guards poured in the meeting room, surrounding Lord Sausage.
"Back off! You ordinary men can't even touch a noble like me!"
Lord Sausage dodged the first attack and sliced his throat.
Then charged at the men next to him, knocking him on the chest then striking him to finish off.
2 gone... tonnes more left.
Despite being completely surrounded, Lord Sausage furiously fought, asking for help to the leaders.
"Come comrades! He who loved Lacy and her alliance! Come!"
No leader came to help, though tears came out of some of they're faces. Maharani Meera was one of them, who recently got friendly with the Sausage Lord who campeigned hard against her at one point.
Slowly number of cuts in Lord Sausages body increased. When the soldiers delivered a deep cut on his arm, Lord Sausage dropped his sword. He knew his chance of victory was gone.
"Brave Lord Sausage" said Subotan. "You've single handedly killed 16 of my best men. But I forgive you. Stop this now and join our ranks."
Lord Sausage shook his head and laughed. "I'll rather die free then live as captive. I'll die and join Lacy, and the true men of the alliance in the after life."
With a roar, Lord Sausage charged the soldier closest to him. Bare handed.
Soldier repelled the attack and sliced his upper body. With the second strike, he chopped off his head.
Lord Sausage was no more.
"Anyone else object to our....err...vision?"
No body answered.
"Very well. You lack enthusiasm but I understand that. We can forge our friendship eventually. Now if you don't mind, we would like you to start with swearing the oath to our new flag."
https://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8054/beefdom.pn
"As a noble men of Beefdom, I shall love Beefdom as much as I love my self. I will do what Beefdom wants me to. I will love and respect the ultimate Dictator Stefan Vi Beefdom and Duke Beefdom Von Subotan. This is my oath."
"Very well."
.................................................................................................... ............................
After a intense game of Rock Paper Scissors (Cough random. org) first marriage was held. Maharani Meera was 'asked' to marry Stefan Vi Britannia. How can she reject such a 'tempting' offer?
Marriage was celebrated intensely by all the people of the land.
Subotan received a noble Lady of the great sands.
Rest of the leaders received a wife from Beefdom.
Beefy didn't care. He had no intention of bothering whats happening in the world below him, and two new dominators didn't care about a miserable and twisted old men who was to die shortly of old age.
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"And what happens next Granda pa?"
"So you are interested!!"
"NO! It just doesn't feel right when you end a story at the middle."
"But that was the end of third Noble Sons war chapter. I'll tell you more next time."
"No thanks.. I'll just google it."
"But but... As a prince of Sea Land you must know your history!"
"Dad bought that title for 15 bucks on E bay. And Sea Land isn't even that big... The land is not even natural but its man made."
"Silence you!"
Young boy obeyed. If only he knew that blood of Beefdom runs in him... He would listen to the history lecture with more sincerity
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Total Mafia Victory
https://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo312/mexico1910/noblesons/beefdomflaghalf-1.jpg
Hope you enjoyed this game. Despite some balancing, time keeping and various mess ups I had fun hosting this :yes:
Thank you for your enthusiasm :bow:
There won't be a sequel. Not for a while :beam:
Beefy187
06-19-2010, 00:56
By the way, that golden ball with strings below the cow in Beefdom flag is a Yoyo.
Because the player who played King of Beefdom was called Yoyoma and I used to call him Yoyo.
Thought I might share, what I noticed watching that wonderful flag again.
pevergreen
06-19-2010, 03:25
I should have selected "Liberty or Death".
Wonderful ending for me! I died a hero, bringing 16 Beefdom dogs with me! :pimp2:
Thanks for hosting Beefy, and congrats to Subo & Beskar for their win! :2thumbsup:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-19-2010, 14:28
Wonderful ending for me! I died a hero, bringing 16 Beefdom dogs with me! :pimp2:
Thanks for hosting Beefy, and congrats to Subo & Beskar for their win! :2thumbsup:
Don't congratulate those Beefy fools, they're closet vegetarians!
Many thanks for the game Beefy. :bow:
Death is yonder
06-19-2010, 15:14
Indeed, thanks for the game Beefy, had a blast trying to figure things out :bow:
And congrats to Subo and Beskar on their total victory, excellent twist with the fake attack, and the lying low beneath the controversies.
Good game :bow:
Hope to see more beefy experimental games on the loose :wink:
The Flag of the Beskotan Dynasty, Kings of Beef, Emperors of the Beefdom Imperium
https://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7627/beskotan.png
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-19-2010, 19:07
The Flag of the Beskotan Dynasty, Kings of Beef, Emperors of the Beefdom Imperium
https://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7627/beskotan.png
My poltergeist throws objects at your flag. Thanks Beefy, twas an awesome game.
Well played, and good game - I suspected both of you before I died, but couldn't think of a way to counter you in time before I dropped off the radar...but, I'd like to leave you with the thought that Casimir is not Lacy's son - and that Von Subo and Stefani are illegitimate heirs to the Beefdom throne.
I think Beefy knows what I am talking about :wink:
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